Bothered him if there was even a 1 chance his wife, melania, thought it was true. Comey goes on to say the president told him he was thinking of asking the fbi to investigate the allegation to prove it was a lie. And theres more. The Washington Post reporting that comey writes, it is also wrong to stand idly by or worse to stay silent when you know better. While a president brazeningly seeks to undermine Public Confidence in Law Enforcement institutions that were established to keep our leaders in check. But in what may be the most explosive of all, comey writes, this president is unethical and untethered to truth and institutional values. His leadership is transactional. Ego driven. And about personal loyalty. White house Officials Say there are no plans at this point to respond to the book tonight. But cnn has learned exclusively that the president s allies have already begun putting together an Extensive Campaign to fight back against comey, talking points including branding the nations former top Law Enforcement officer as, quote, lying comey. And reminding democrats of how the former fbi director treated Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign. But the comey book is not the only headache for the Trump White House tonight. The new yorker is reporting that the National EnquirersParent Company allegedly paid 30,000 in hush money to a doorman at a Trump Building in an effort to stop him from speaking out about a rumor that trump fathered a love child. The enquirers Parent Company and the Trump Organization both deny the allegation. Though the doorman stands by his story. We have more breaking news to tell you about tonight. Allies of the president are worried that the feds may have seized taped conversations in the raid on Michael Cohen this week. Sources telling cnn those recordings were even played back at times to candidate trump and included discussions about the campaign and interactions with the media. Cnn has also learned tonight that as the president is debating whether to fire Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein, the white house is working on an effort to undermine his credibility. Rosenstein interestingly enough met with the president today at the white house. Reportedly regarding routine business. A lot to discuss as i said at the top of the show. You have to Pay Attention or you might get lost. I want to bring in cnn White House Correspondent jeff zeleny. Cnn political analyst mark preston. Cnn legal analyst laura coates and cnn Law Enforcement analyst josh campbell. Good evening to one and all. Jeff, lets start with you. Youre standing there in front of the white house. President trumps allies were all set to go on the offense against comey. Is that blown out of the water now that the bombshell after bombshell after bombshell has been leaked from comeys book . Is the white house in panic mode now . Reporter don, good evening, certainly its complicated by these new details coming out about the book and suspect its going to continue happening the next several days before the books official release next week. Look, the white house and Republican National committee which is sort of overseeing the response to this always knew this was going to be a heavy lift, if you will, so their one strategy is to try and go after james comey. Theyre trying to undermine his credibility. Theyre trying to assail his character. Interestingly using the words of democrats to remind all americans about the full picture of james comey, but don, the reality here is i think most people probably on both sides have made up their minds about james comey. They want to hear what he has to say, obviously. The specific details certainly overshadow any blanket suggestion hes a liar or a leaker. Of course, his memoir is called a higher loyalty. Tonight the Republican National committee with not much else to say has put out a mock book cover saying a higher loyalty to me, myself, and i, james comey. So, again, don, this is really a last straw. One of the only things they can talk about is james comeys credibility because the president s also very much on the line and theres utter silence here about that. The former director of the fbi writing a book like this. I cant i mean, who would have thunk . So lets get to the bookmark. This is an excerpt obtained by the associated press. Comey writes about his first meeting with trump after the election and was surprised by the president elect that he didnt ask trump was what he didnt ask. Trump was just briefed about the russia interference. Heres what he said. They were about to lead a country that had been attacked by a foreign adversary, yet they had no question about what the future russian threat might be. So, mark, comey then says that they they want to figure out a way to spin that, what they just learned. What do you make of the president s early indifference to russias interference . Were certainly not shocked. I think anybody who was hearing what james comey is saying about President Trump tonight shouldnt be shocked, either. A lot of the things james comey says has come out as fact in some ways when he talks about the president not necessarily being so truthful. Although hes not as kind in saying those words. But to your point and to this question right now, not surprising that we saw this small team of trumps allies. After they get a briefing. We should note this briefing was by James Clapper at the time. He was the director of national intelligence. He had just told them about the interference efforts on behalf of russian what they did in 2016. Just think about it. This meeting occurred right after the election, don. They knew, at least some of them knew, about a meeting that occurred in june in trump tower, june 2016, with a russian operative who was supposed to be acting as an intermediary between the russian government. We do know Michael Flynn had existing relationships with russia. He was also at that meeting. This is no surprise and no surprise that Reince Priebus and sean spicer who were at the meeting didnt speak up and say something. At that time you have to understand when youre working for donald trump you can never say anything thats going to anger him. You do not want to be in his presence. To talk about this would anger him. By the way, James Clapper is going to be on this Program Later on. Well certainly ask him about that and much, much more, mark. Josh, as i was reading especially what the Republican National committee has put out, you were shaking your head. Why is that . Well, because we have the, quote unquote, party of Law Enforcement that is turning their sights and using their precious resources to settle a score and go after the former chief Law Enforcement officer at americas premier Law Enforcement agency. I mean, just let that sink in for a second and youll see the kind of times that were in. You know, its very interesting, as weve seen some of these excerpts that have been coming out, specifically the focus on, you know, referring to the white house as untethered and, you know, the president untethered from the truth. Let me tell you about james comey. I had the honor of serving as his special assistant in the fbi. A career agent who served as his special assistant. There were two things about him that you knew. His professional life and personal life were closely tethered to the truth. That was his story. That was his hallmark. So for him to claim someone else is untethered to the truth, its a big deal. All those that were in his orbit knew two things. Everyone on his staff knew two things. First of all, you better give it to him straight. If he asks you a question, even if the answer is critical of him, you better give it to him straight. The second thing being, you better be tethered to the truth. Every answer you give better be in line with the facts and nothing else. Thats what hes used to. Today in washington in this posttruth world, People Choose facts whenever theyre convenient. A lot of people look to him and say thats someone whos sanctimonious. When, in fact, thats the kind of person we would want. Someone tethered to the truth. They said hes unethical. Correct. As you look at this book, i havent read the book, ill read it along with everyone else, two things you have to focus on. The first being we can look at the actions over the course of the 2016 election and the decisions that he made at every single turn. Good honest people can disagree with what he did. Thats fair. Read the book, make up your own mind. The thing thats most troubling, were seeing a character assassination by the rnc, by the white house, by this phony fake book cover that you showed which is kind of childish going after a person not because of the decisions he made, but because theyre trying to discredit him because of the investigation and where it led. Its just troubling. The situation were in now and the direction were headed its sad. Laura, i want to get you in. I want to read a quote before you respond. Theres also this comey excerpt where he recalls a meeting he had with President Trump and then chief of staff Reince Priebus and in it, he made him think of the days when he was the federal prosecutor talking to the mob. Heres what he says in the book. The silent circle of assent, the boss in complete control. The loyalty oaths. The us versus them world view. The lying about all things large and small. In service to some code of loyalty that put the organization above morality and above the truth. Laura, what do you make of that description particularly when you put it in context that this administration wants to fight the russia investigation tooth and nail . Its not surprising james comey would have made that statement. Because the idea of loyalty and a familydriven organization, everything is kept close to the vest. Have to kiss the ring to feel as though youre validated, have the good graces of whos in children. Playing out in different cabinet meetings that have been televised and other things. Its a very fair criticism of james comey to call him a flawed messenger in this capacity. A lot of the critiques that hes received over time have been based on his own actions and a lot about his decisions to try to make sure that his own personal legacy was intact, perhaps above maybe usurping the power of the attorney general, et cetera. Having said that, even as a flawed messenger, there could be statements hes making in the book and i like any of you have not read all of them and are titillated a little bit by what youre seeing already. The fact hes a flawed messenger doesnt mean what hes saying is untruthful or completely off the rails. There could be a vendetta he has, there could also be a lot of vindication for those who have questioned whether or not the way in which the president of the United States has ruled this administration is becoming a cause of concern. Absolutely. Jeff i want jeff to weigh in on this. You guys are going to come back. Jeff, you have the details about trump apparently was concerned about some of these allegations made in the steele dossier. This is according to comey. He says, trump brought up, quote im quoting here, the golden showers here. Its salacious allegation, but its something the president has pushed back on before. He has, don. This is something the president pushed back on in a News Conference shortly after he was elected before he came here to the white house at trump tower. And he, you know, a journalist asked him that question, you know, an odd question, uncomfortable question, awkward question to ask a president of the United States. A newly elected one. He answered in a very unusual way. He said, one, everywhere he went, he had security guards. There were video cameras, so he couldnt have done Something Like this. He said, two, hes a germophobe. He held up his hands and said hes a germophobe. Thats why Something Like this couldnt be accurate. But the reality here is that, you know, the accounts here are so personal between james comey and the president. So the most i think the thing that will get under the president s skin the most is that james comey is having the final word here or at least the final word since he was fired almost a year ago and the president , i believe, will want to respond to this. The white house officials that we talked to are not giving any predictions of when the president is going to weigh in. Don, the reason this matters, is it going to affect the Mueller Investigation, is this going to set him off . Well find out. All right. Stick around, everybody. We have much more to talk about. I want to bring in cnn Political Correspondent sara murray. I want to bring you in, because i understand you have new details in tapes federal investigators may have obtained in the Michael Cohen raids. What do you know . We learned from sources familiar with the matter that Michael Cohen had as habit of recording his conversations during the president ial campaign as well as before it and these are tapes that the could have easily been scooped up in the raid that the fbi conducted of Michael Cohens office, his home and of his hotel room. One source familiar with Michael Cohens behavior said there were times when hed actually play these tapes back to thencandidate trump or his associates. So its certainly possible some of these recordings were either on the phones or on the computers that were scooped up as part of this fbi raid. I also spoke to a number of former Campaign Officials who said this was sort of the constant lore around Michael Cohen, as soon as you would join the trump orbit, that it was known among Campaign Officials, as well as among officials at the Trump Organization that cohen had this habit of recording conversations and so newcomers to the orbit would get this warning. You know, dont have a conversation with Michael Cohen in his office unless you want it recorded, you should beware of that. Obviously the concern is much broader. The notion that its possible that investigators now have recordings of some of Michael Cohens private conversations. Sara murray with the new details on that. Sara, thank you very much. Everybody else stick around. When we come back, much more on james comeys war on President Trump including reports that comey claims john kelly called trump dishonorable. Josh campbell was sitting next to the former fbi director. Im going to ask him about that call. If youve been diagnosed with cancer, searching for answers may feel overwhelming. So start your search with our teams of specialists at Cancer Treatment centers of america. The evolution of cancer care is here. Learn more at cancercenter. Com experts at t provides edgetoedge intelligence, covering virtually every part of your manufacturing business. So this wont happen. 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So were back, everyone. Weve got more revelations tonight from the former fbi director james comeys incendiary book. Back with me, jeff zeleny, mark preston within laura cotes and josh campbell. So, listen, according to comey, hes insinuating the president seems to be obsessed with the salacious details in the dossier and concerned that his wife might believe some of it. And in january of last year, a reporter asked him about possibly being vulnerable to blackmail because of the allegations, because of what is alleged in those tapes. The president spoke about that. Lets take a listen and well talk. Say that you are potentially vulnerable to blackmail by russia, or by its intelligence agencies . Let me just say what i do. When i leave our country, im a very highprofile person, would you say . I am extremely careful. Im surrounded by bodyguards. Im surrounded by people. And i always tell them, anywhere, but i always tell them, if im leaving this country, be very careful because in your hotel rooms, and no matter where you go, youre going to probably have cameras. Im not referring just to russia, but i would certainly put them in that category. And number one, i hope youre going to be good, anyway. But in those rooms, you have cameras in the strangest places. Cameras that are so small with modern technology, you cant see them and you wont know. You better be careful or youll be watching yourself on nightly television. I tell this to people all the time. I was in russia years ago with the miss unveriverse contest, wh did very well, moscow, the moscow area. Did very, very well. And i told many people, be careful because you dont want to see yourself on television. Cameras all over the place. And, again, not just russia, all over. Does anyone really believe that story . Im also very much of a germophobe, by the way. Believe me. So, mark, again, these allegations have not been proven at least the salacious ones have not been proven. Having to deal with the, quote, what comey calls golden showers. But it has been very important all along for the president to push back on this and hard. And its also interesting just to listen to that. Its kind of eery. Kind of eery. I cant believe thats your takeaway. My takeaway was the Miss Universe pageant was in russia. In case anybodys wondering, it did very well. It seems like every speech the president gives, he goes back to some business deal that he did somewhere in the past. Whats interesting about his answer there is that he didnt answer the question, that he kind of just gave us this long answer. I have no reason to believe that whats in that dossier is true or false for that matter. We dont know. I mean, let the investigation move on. But it is amazing right now, don, that we are sitting here talking about a president under so much scrutiny engulfed in so much chaos right now, and most of america, or at least half of america, is kind of walking by and just looking at it and saying, nothings going on here, when, in fact, something really big is going on here. And jeff zeleny at the white house, you know, while this comey siege is taking over the white house tonight, theres also the focus on how to determine if, you know, if Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein is along for the job. Whats the latest information on that front . Don, that is something thats been a question beneath the radar all week long here. We know the president was furious the beginning of the week of the raid of his longtime lawyers house, his office building. So a lot of that anger was being vented at Rod Rosenstein. Of course, the Deputy Attorney general. In this case, the acting attorney general whos supervising the Mueller Investigation. We do know that the white house is preparing an argument, if you will, for why Rod Rosenstein should be recused. Why he should not be in charge of this investigation. They say he is conflicted in this. He could be a witness in this. So a couple things are happening. One, a lot of outside voices from the president s informal advisers like sean hannity on fox, like Newt Gingrich, like other people on the outside are telling the president , get rid of rosenstein. Inside we know they are preparing the argument for it to happen. What we dont know is is the president going to do it . There are many many, many, many drawbacks. And even if he does, that does not end this investigation here and it could enrage capitol hill. So all this is going on as the president also is deciding what to do in syria here. I would be surprised based on our reporting if anything happens with Rod Rosenstein this week. Don, again, the president makes the calls on all of this. Few people know what hes going to do. You said he wouldnt be surprised if he this week reporter i would be surprised. If he did it this week. Reporter theres a lot happening. Lets also keep syria in mind and other matters. Theres a lot happening here, don. So, laura, does it look like the president is making the move to fire Rod Rosenstein . You heard what jeff said, he doesnt think it will happen. Theres a lot going on. What do you think . I think certainly from the indications were seeing, his days are limited. Theyve always been limited. Remember, he serves at the pleasure of the president. At the president s whim, he can decide to fire Rod Rosenstein. I think many people would see this as a pretextual reason to somehow undermine the ability of muellers investigation to go forward. Thats really the possibility here. Thats his one avenue of doing so. Also it should not miss anybodys grasp here that the president of the United States and the administration has been so disgusted with the idea of having a Smear Campaign and trying to have someone discredited in the court of public opinion. And now theyre preparing talking points to now have a Smear Campaign of sorts against somebody who oversees a court of law. I mean, the irony is very thick here, but he always had at his discretion the ability to fire rosenstein. Mueller has been very smart, though, everyone. Mueller has diversified his particular investigation. He has his own directive. Hes also farmed things out to the attorney general in new york. Statelevel crimes the president could never, ever pardon. Also the Southern District of new york where you have the ability to have things go almost autonomously if his own investigation is derailed. Diversification is a surefire way to know even firing rosenstein is not going to end the inquiry. Yeah, interesting. Josh, ive been wanting to ask you about this all day. This is about another report that thenhomeland security secretary john kelly called comey after the news that he was fired and referred to donald trump as dishonorable. Thats according to multiple reports. The white house is pushing back on this. You were with comey if im not mistaken when the call took place. Can you talk to us about that conversation . Thats right. This is very troubling, don, ill tell you why. Let me take your viewers back to that day. So comey would constantly visit the field offices. The fbi is a deployed agency with most of its employees around the country so he would go to see them. This day we were in los angeles at the field office. He was addressing employees and on the screen comes cnn, and our colleague, jeff zeleny announcing and notifying the fbi director that hed been fired. Now, i love jeff zeleny, hes one of my favorites here at cnn. The fbi director should not learn from cnn that hes been fired. Thats neither here nor there. So that set, obviously commotion after that, trying to figure out what exactly was going on. We took him into a side office. And he was making some phone calls. I was busy trying to figure out, how are we going to get home, there was this debate on whether comey could fly back on a government aircraft. There was discussions within the department of justice and the white house regarding whether theyd allow him. Make someday ill tell that story. We got word dhs secretary kelly wanted to talk to him. Put him through. Im sitting there next to him, its clear from the call comey is reassuring him he should not quit. That, especially in this administration, they need people that are good, moral people tom surround the president. When i read in the report from the daily beast today that theyre saying, no, it was a quick dismissive call and that wasnt brought up, its very troubling. Its either he doesnt remember or there are more sinister motives. The reason why its important is because, as a former fbi agent, and reporters will do the same. When you go in to ask someone a question, you start with the little questions, the small things. Someones going to lie to you about a small issue, that means youve got a big problem when you get to the big issues so you take Something Like this, something as simple as a phone call and youre not getting the truth, its very troubling you said sinister, misremembered or a flatout lie. It could be. Thank you, all. Appreciate it. When we come back, the president and his allies tries to discredit Rod Rosenstein in hopes of derailing the russia investigation. Will republicans stand by or stand up to this president . Ill ask republican congressman charlie dent next. Congratulations. Thank you. How many kids . My two. His three. Along with two dogs and jake, our new parrot. That is quite the family. Quite a lot of colleges to pay for though. A lot of colleges. You get any Financial Advice . 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Sources telling cnn the white house is preparing talking points designed to undermine Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosensteins credibility. Will that message fly among the more moderate members of the Republican Party . Well, lets discuss that with one of them. Thats charlie dent, a republican from pennsylvania. Representative, good to have you on. Thank you so much. So theres so much news to talk about. Lets start with the Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein, sources telling cnn the white house is working on a campaign to discredit him. Theyre trying to push the narrative that he is incompetent and too conflicted to oversee the russia investigation. Are you troubled by that . Will it work . Well, yeah, i am troubled by that. Rod rosenstein, as far as im concerned, seems to be a career public servant. Ive never heard anything but good things about his character. So i think its a terrible mistake to try to discredit that man, any attempt to fire him or the special counsel in my view would be an equivalent of an Archibald Cox moment, saturday night massacre, would be a destabilizing event that would further paralyze congress and i think it would take us into a very bad place. A lot of my colleagues in swing and marginal districts would certainly be very negatively impacted by such a decision. Theyre already running in a very difficult environment. This could this might make it almost impossible for them. So, so your fellow lawmakers, your fellow republicans, you have concerns is there broad support for Rod Rosenstein and for Robert Mueller among republicans in congress . Yes. I believe most republicans who represent ill say most thoughtful members, republicans most thoughtful republican members who represent swing or marginal districts believe director mueller should be allowed to continue with his work uninterrupted, unimpeded. They believe hes a man of integrity, an honorable man, and i think thats true of most of my republican colleagues. They feel the same way about rosenstein. What would happen, then, if he tries to fire either rosenstein or mueller . Will republicans stand up . Stand by them or stand aside as the president , you know, tries to stop the russia investigation . Hard to say. There will be some members in the conference who i think would stand by the president. Some in the very safe ruby red districts. I think most of those members who are more thoughtful and those who are in more vulnerable political situations certainly would understand the gravity of the situation. And not only from a political standpoint, but from from the perspective of protecting our system of justice and the integrity of it. So when you say stand up, what do you mean . I think i think these members will have to push back and publicly denounce any such any such decision if the president were to make it. I hope he doesnt. And ive raised this issue with the speaker, in fact, i was in a meeting with him today, i said, please, please tell the president not to do this. But everybody everybody, congressman, who is standing up, pretty much, who stands up or at least criticizes the president , and obviously, rightfully so, when he deserves criticism, theyre all leaving. It seems like no sitting republican now, someone whos up for reelection, will criticize this president or try to rein him in. Why not . Well, i tell you, heres the dilemma for many republicans who are running for office this fall, if you if you criticize the president , many of the president s, you know, hardest supporters will say you are a traitor, you betrayed him. If youre a republican, you criticize the president. Those in the resistance movement, those on the far left will say youre still a sycophant and its never going to be enough. So theyre in this nomans land, and its not a very comfortable place to be. I think thats really the fundamental dilemma. As a republican now, the litmus test is loyalty to the president. Its not about any set of principles or ideals. Its about loyalty to the president. Well thats the thing, youre weighing whats right against whats politically expedient or your political future . I mean, that just doesnt seem shouldnt as a lawmaker even if your constituents even if they believe something that is wrong, shouldnt you be the person to say, listen, what youre thinking about this is wrong, and we must stand up to the president , the president is not above the law and damn if you may not want to vote for me because of that but i have to stick by my principles. Wheres that . I tell you, my advice to anybody running for office, you should be able to stand in front of any group of people and say when the president s on the right track, youll support him. When hes on the wrong track, youll check him. If he goes off the rails, youll call him out. Thats what you should do. I tell my republican colleagues that election in southwestern pennsylvania sent a message. If you didnt get that message, youll never get any message because what i learned there is the democrat candidate put distance between himself and his nancy pelosi and the democratic leadership. The republican candidate did a full bear hug on the president and said he was trump before trump, hed be trumps wing man. And thats a district that the president won by 20 points. Your constituents dont expect you to be a rubber stamp for the president. They expect you to work with him and push back when hes moving in the wrong direction. Representative, i have to go. What do you say to the president if hes watching right now in regards to rosenstein and mueller . I would say for the good of the country, please dont fire either rosenstein or mueller. It would undermine many peoples faith in our government. It would be a terrible mistake. Politically for him, as well as for members of his own party, but bottom line is, it would be terrible for the country. So just dont do it. If youre innocent, act that way. Great message. Thank you representative charlie dent, i appreciate your time. Thank you, dan. When we come back, are the white house and fox working together to discredit Robert Muellers russia investigation and how troubling would that be . Dayo, dayyyyyoooo. Wake up early, slap on some cologne im 85 and i wanna go home just got a job as a lifeguard in savannah im 85 and i wanna go home dropping sick beats, they call me dj nana 85 and i wanna go dont get mad. Get e trade, kiddo. At t provides edgetoedge intelligence, covering virtually every part of your business. So this wont happen. Because youve made sure this sensor and this machine are integrated. Atta, boy. Yes, some people assign genders to machines. With edgetoedge intelligence, youll know your customers love this color, dont love this one. 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Sources telling cnn President Trump is weighing whether to fire Rod Rosenstein. As weve been reporting. And Robert Mueller. Maybe Robert Mueller. The president s allies are wasting no time mounting a coordinated campaign to discredit the Deputy Attorney general and the special counsel with the help of their friends at fox news. Heres exhibit a. This tweet from the president last night, big show tonight on sean hannity, 9 00 p. M. On fox news. President writing a promo there for hannitys show. Once hannity got going last night, you could see why. Here it is. Lets look at the mueller crime family. Of course, were now on day 329 of the mueller witch hunt, and theres still zero evidence of collusion. Imagine that. And then there is this. Its from former federal prosecutor Joseph Digenova, the very Joseph Digenova in the running to join the president s legal team. Watch. As a result of the tactics authorized by mueller and instigated by mueller in new york with the raid of the cohen office, and as a result of the manner in which they raided the Paul Manafort home, it is now clear that mueller is acting in bad faith, that he has surrounded himself with literally a bunch of legal terrorists. Yeah. You heard it right, legal terrorists. And theres more. And this is from, how about this, this is from the former House SpeakerNewt Gingrich comparing fbi agents working under the Mueller Investigation to the gestapo and stalin. Were supposed to have the rule of law. It aint the rule of law when they kick in your door at 3 00 in the morning and youre faced with arm men and youve had no reason to be told youre going to have that kind of treatment. Thats a thats stalin, thats the gestapo in germany. That shouldnt be the american fbi. First of all, no one kicked in the door. My source and another source, Erin Burnetts source at cnn said he knocked on the door, cohen opened the door, stuck his foot in the door. They immediately asked him for his phone. He gave it to them. Then you have cohen saying they were respectful, they were professional, they were kind and he says he thanked them at the end. The exact opposite of what Newt Gingrich just said. Is that the type of Smear Campaign can that actually work . I want to bring in cnn senior media correspondent Brian Stelter. Jason miller, former trump Senior Communications adviser, and political commentator amanda carpenter, former Communications Director for senator ted cruz. Good evening to all of you. Good evening. Brian, the president told his twitter followers to watch fox news, you know, bashing the Mueller Investigation, calling it the mueller crime family. Is there any doubt in your mind that this is coordinated by the white house to discredit the special counsel . Yes, it is coordinated. We know that because hannity and trump speak frequently. The president also speaks with other conservative media commentators frequently. He meets with them, talks with them, dines with them at the white house and maralago. Its an absolutely coordinated effort all part of an alternative universe of information. The president props up an alternative reality where hes winning, his enemies are losing, where muellers corrupt, and where this investigation needs to be disbanded. Thats the alternative universe, that parts of fox, the National Enquirer thats been in the news, sinclair commentators, these rightwing Media Outlets prop up this alternative universe. And, look, thats fine in some ways. I love reading fiction novels. What they are promoting is a version of fiction and it does a disservice to their viewers to claim that it is facts. I was going to say to claim its reality. Doesnt it do a disservice to the american people, because they are not getting the full story. You can criticize, you know, cnn all you want or other news organizations but at least theyre telling the stories of what the president is actually doing. Theres not positive coverage of any president , all positive coverage of any president. If trump ends up in tremendous legal jeopardy, hannitys viewers are going to wake up one morning and say i didnt see this coming. Thats the problem. Thats why its a disservice. Jason, is it appropriate for the president of the United States to promote a single cable news show bashing a special counsel investigation into his campaign . The president can promote whatever he wants. I mean, thats a First Amendment right. He can definitely i said, is it appropriate. But don i think he can do it if he wants. This is were obviously in a new era here where i think the political paradigm has completely changed, but don hang on, hang on not to cut you off. Not to cut you off, i asked you if it was appropriate. You said, he can do whatever he wants. I can punch Brian Stelter in the face right now because i can do whatever i want. The question is, is it proper to do it at all or do it on television . Youre answering a different question. My question is it appropriate for the president to do it, not does he have the right to do it . So please answer my question. As long as hes not infringing on somebody elses rights, i mean, thats the First Amendment. Again, lets not compare you punching brian, which by the way, you know, brians a tough guy. I mean, i wouldnt mess with him. Thank you. Watch out. He might sock you right back. But lets be intellectually honest here. I mean, if you flipped it over to msnbc, youre going to tell me their programming isnt essentially coordinating and colluding with the Democratic Party . And so look, youre going to get a more protrump viewpoint from fox news. Okay. Youre going to get a jason, you didnt answer my question. I absolutely did. Lets be im going to move on to amanda. Unless youre going to answer my question, im going to move on to amanda. So, amanda, these are outrageous these comments are outrageous. Mueller is a war hero. How can Newt Gingrich compare him to stalin . I dont know. At once i thought Newt Gingrich to be a student of history. These seem like pretty reckless comparisons. I mean, heres my question, okay, the trump people, they dont like sessions, they dont like mueller, they dont like rosenstein, so who do they like . They apparently like lawyers like joe digenova who also makes reckless statements and i believe compared the Mueller Probe to a form of regside which is by definition the killing of a king. So you can see where their head is at. And so theyre on this campaign to discredit pretty much anyone who doesnt consider donald trump a king because i dont know where else this goes. Now you have this Campaign Even against comey, add that to the axed list of legal people that they dont like. And so republicans are in a weird position. Trump is making them pick sides, which he often does and people are being forced to choose. Do you choose to believe people like Robert Mueller and james comey . Or donald trump and spokeswoman at the rnc . I think thats a pretty easy choice. Conservative media criticizing the Mueller Investigation. Well continue right after this break. A place with flexible fmeal plans. E. And 24hour room service a place where seniors get the care they need in the comfort of home. Home instead senior care. Announcer did you know parking over tall, dry grass could spark a wildfire . Smokey, voiceover only you can prevent wildfires. Back now with Brian Stelter, jason miller and amanda carpenter. And theres been no punching on the set here. Ive not been punched yet. Nge th nge. That was just an example. So, listen, brian every night hannity and fox news slams the special counsel investigation. Is it all about appeasing their main viewer in the white house . And also, shawn will tell you that hes a host of a show. Hes not a journalist. And i think its past 7 00 or 8 00 its opinion, but fox news viewers might not know the difference. The drip, drip, drip of it every night, the accumulation of the daily talking points against mueller, against the fbi, against the idea of law and order, it does do damage to our democracy. And i think many conservative commentators would agree with that statement if the shoe were on the other foot. And if a president obama or a president clinton were doing this every night, trying to tear down an investigation into russian meddling. It is extraordinary the daily attacks and how they add up over time. And i think, don, any professor of rhetoric would tell you that thats a strategy. To say the same thing over and over again so many times in order to cause people not to trust an investigation. Thats a strategy. And i go back to the idea of an alternative university because alternative universe of information because when things get bad, when things get worse, trumps going to turn to the alternative universe for defense, and people may choose to believe that instead of whats going on. The president seems to know whats coming. Fox news says what the president wants to hear. The president tweets what he sees on the network. He even bases policy decisions on it. Do you think thats dangerous . I dont think its dangerous. I think clearly the president is rallying around someone who shares his viewpoint. Obviously there are other channels as i mentioned in the previous segment where someone can go to if they completely disagree with that or want to go a different direction. But i think the sentiment youre seeing here, don, is that fact that Trump Supporters view that this investigation is going way outside the initial scope it was supposed to be. Were almost two years into this thing and theres been zero evidence of any sort of collusion between the Trump Campaign and a foreign entity, and thats what this is supposed to be about. So i think its only natural, whether you see the president or a network whose viewpoints are very much in line with him punching back here. Its about the attack from russia. Upon. It doesnt use the word collusion. Its interference in the election. Its about the attack from russia. Wait, wait. No, this whole thing that the campaign supposedly coordinated with a foreign entity, that theres some kind of foreign influence that went and swung this election. So far theres been nothing and weve seen a lot of evidence [ all speak at once ] theres been no evidence. Jason, theres been no evidence because no one knows what the evidence is. You cant say theres been no evidence. I cant say that there is evidence. No one knows what Robert Mueller has. So for people to say that theres no evidence, thats disingenuous. Don, youre innocent until proven guilty. Thats absolutely true. Can we just take a quick trip back to realville, what we know . The investigation, the crime was that the russians meddled in the election. Thats what the investigation is about. Thank you very much. And then theres lie after lie that trump and his allies and People Associated with the campaign have told about their contacts with russian officials. And so the Mueller Probe is getting to the bottom of that. And well see what happens. And every time you look at another trump connection a russian falls out, and thats not muellers fault. Perhaps its trumps fault because they havent been honest from the beginning. [ all speak at once ] hold on. Dont you think youre proving the point when you say the Trump Supporters believe that this investigation is going on, you know, for longer than it should or that its a witch hunt thats what theyre being fed. The talking points from fox and the white house. Thats why they believe that. Not because its true. Its just because they say it. Totally disagree, and that could be further off from my viewpoint. My viewpoint is that Trump Supporters believe that from the beginning theres been no coordination or collusion between the Trump Campaign or any foreign entity. Thats what i just said. Why do they believe it . They havent heard anything out of comeys mouth. They heard from the intelligence agencies that there was interference in the election. But the entire time trump has been saying there is no collusion, fox news conservative media has been saying, there is no collusion. They havent been saying we need to investigate and get to the bottom of what happened in the 2016 election and interference. It should take as long as it needs to take they were saying that well before. Let me finish my point. Why is conservative media and Trump Supporters so so adamant about getting this investigation to end that its gone on so long . Do you know how long the benghazi investigation went on . 2 1 2 years and 7 different hearings. I did not hear one conservative saying its time to bring this to an end, its going on too long. And ill tell you why. Because President Trump is doing so many great things right now, the economy is roaring, doing great things on the international stage. What does that have to do with the price of tea don, can we just point out [ all speak at once ] stand by. Amanda, go ahead. Theres been three big lies thats going to come back to haunt trump and already are. One is the lie about the trump tower meeting, the purpose and what was discussed. Number two, the lies that mike flynn told about his contacts with russians after the election. Maybe that was a violation that went too far, but he lied about it and we dont know why. And then theres also the time donald trump hosted the russians in the oval office and didnt tell anybody and which he said he fired comey to relieve pressure. Those are three big lies. Gotta go. [ all speak at once ] i gotta go, jason. So he was colluding after jason, i cant please be respectful. When you come on and give us information and other Trump Supporters and give disinformation, i spend most of my time trying to debunk falsities and lies instead of educating the american people. Its frustrating. What did i say that was a lie . Every single night. You talk about no collusion, you dont even know the original focus of the russia investigation. Youre feeding talking points that arent true to the american people. What did i say that was incorrect . If youre going to be on this platform, respect the american people. It is a privilege to come here. Dont come on cnn and lie or deflect about whats going on. Come here and be honest with the american people. 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