Out. People still believe the lie because youre actually a megaphone to put the lie out there that people are going to believe. Then they have to do their, oh, well, is it true . Is it not true . Well, youve already put it out there. Therefore its already in the ethos. Especially if you have people who come on and every single time they come on your program, theyre not honest with the american people. This is not about a First Amendment right appearing on cnn. Thats not. You can go outside. You can yell at people. You can do whatever you want. Thats your First Amendment right. Appearing on a platform like cnn or any other network is a privilege. Its not a right. And these are these are privately held companies. You dont have a right to come on here and lie constantly to the american people. That is my struggle. I know that we have to constantly call out the lies, but sometimes i wonder if were doing more harm than good by actually putting them out there and promoting them than, you know, thats it. I think sometimes were doing more harm than good in that way. I get you. Look, i respect the struggle. I think thats good. I think a big part of journalism is your process. Right. I dont have the same struggle because i am in the testing business. You are. I dont believe that you just call out, hey, youre lying. I dont see that as very productive. I will tell you why its a lie by showing you what the truth is on something. And when you do that again and again and again, you wind up defusing the power of the mendacity. Thats the only antidote to trump. Thats why he doesnt want to come on. Dont you think some of the lies f we dont put it out there, people wouldnt know about it. Sometimes. Youre also assuming its not out there already. Im usually dealing with things that are out there, if only by dint of when were on. So little happens on our watch. Most of it were playing catch up and trying to figure auout h we can offer Something Different via value. I may fall short. People may get the better of me. They may wind up winning an argument they shouldnt have, but thats on me. Thats not saying, i dont want to hear from the other side anymore. That, i think, is dangerous. Well, its not even the other side. This is beyond ideology, right, what were dealing with right now. This is beyond ideology. Its not like i dont want to hear from republicans. I dont want to hear from liberals. I dont want to hear from democrats. Thats not it. This is about truth and lies. This is about the fabric of our democracy. This is about a constant misrepresentation of the truth, facts, and reality. And if you cannot to feed into that, do you make it worse than better . We dont have to continue to feed into it. We dont have to continue to chase the shiny object every time trump throws something out there. Im with you about that. That we know is misinformation. Even the whole caravan thing. We know the caravan, theyre 1,100 miles or 1,000 miles away from the United States. Theyre not knocking at our doors. Some of them will come over. Some of them wont even make it to the border. What the real issue, that is the process. People come over and they claim asylum. Then we figure out who we let in and who we dont. Thats the problem. Thats how it works. But thats the problem. And by saying that there are people from the middle east in the middle of what is he insinuating . That its terrorism. Notice how he gave that up. Ill tell you something. Thats a signal to democrats. Both things you just said should be a signal to democrats. One, theyve got a problem coming. Two, theyve got a problem right now. The problem right now is the reason trump gave up and said theres no of proo, theres no proof, he almost never does that. The only time he does it is when he knows hes got Something Better working. He doesnt need the terrorism scare right now. He doesnt need the antiislamism right now, so he let it go because all he needs is the caravan. Theyre hundreds and hundreds of miles away, but some number of them is going to come. And when it does, the democrats are going to be in the box because the way the process works is going to be unsatisfying to a big cut of the country, which is you get to come in any way you can, and then apply for asylum. Thats the law. Legal or illegal entry is not distinguished within the law of asylum. People are going to find that unsatisfying and democrats are going to need an answer. Anthony scaramucci, i do have to agree. He is not wrong when he talks about just continuing to call out the lies of the president. Im talking about for candidates. For journalists, we have to do that. But for the democrats, that just doesnt work because i think he said earlier that its like a teflon skillet, like throwing, you know, meat into a teflon skillet. It just doesnt stick because its already baked into it. So democrats have to figure out a better way if they want to have at least some leeway, or at least gain some sort of advantage in this election, theyre going to have to figure out a better way because this president doesnt care. He keeps going and the lies dont matter. You have to give people a reason to believe. Thats what caused the turnover in 94 and 2010. I enjoy our conversations. Youre a good man. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. We are now exactly two weeks from the Midterm Elections, possibly the most consequential in modern american history. President trump, who likes to claim that he is a businessman and not a politician, is certainly acting like one, using his gut political instincts to appeal to his base to get out and vote, trying to stop a possible democratic blue wave and Keep Congress in republican hands. And lets face it. Lets be honest. His instincts are savvy. As he sees it, you cant argue with success, right . His latest tactic, amplifying his America First brand of governing. Heres what he told supporters at a Campaign Rally in houston last night. A globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly not caring about our country so much. And you know what . We cant have that. You know, they have a word. It sort of became oldfashioned. Its called a nationalist. And i say, really, were not supposed to use that word. You know what i am . Im a nationalist, okay . Im a nationalist [ cheers and applause ] shocking. It is. Questi we have a president who calls himself a nationalist. Nationalist, a loaded word for a lot of people. But the president dismissed any concern about it, and sitting at his desk in the oval office, defended the new label he is using for himself. I love our country, and our country has taken second fiddle. There is a concern that you are sending coded language or a dog whistle to some americans out there that what you really mean is that youre a White Nationalist. I never even heard that. I cannot imagine that. You mean you never heard that expression . No, i never heard that theory about being a nationalist. We protect and we get killed. We do the training and they get killed. Cant do it. All i want our country is to be treated well, to be treated with respect. So in that sense, i am absolutely a nationalist, and im proud of it. Hes never heard that . Come on, man. Youre the president of the United States. Youve never heard that White Nationalist, nationalist . You should know better. Nobody is questioning whether President Trump loves his country. But he just said hes never heard of white nationalism. That really seems hard to believe, but maybe we should just give him the benefit of the doubt over using the nationalist label, or not. Why is there skepticism . Well, lets examine. Examples of trumps own words, which Many Americans have found offensive, even racist. And they always seem directed at brown people. After famously riding down that escalator to kick off his president ial campaign, trump said this about mexican immigrants. When mexico sends its people, theyre not sending their best. Theyre not sending you. Theyre not sending you. Theyre sending people that have lots of problems, and theyre bringing those problems with us. Theyre bringing drugs. Theyre bringing crime. Theyre rapists. Theyre bringing drugs. Theyre bringing crime. Theyre rapists. You guys, you know it by heart. You can hear it, right . Its a refrain. Shortly after a muslim couple launched a deadly shooting attack in san bernardino, california, in december of 2015, this is what candidate trump said to a rally of enthusiastic supporters in south carolina. Donald j. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the United States until our countrys representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. Also while a candidate, trump slammed a sitting federal judge who was born in indiana, of mexican heritage by the way, judge gonzalo curiel. He got into trumps crosshairs long before the president was elected. Curiel presided over a Class Action Lawsuit concerning students who said that they had been defrauded by the nowdefunct trump university. The case was ultimately settled after trump won the white house. Ive been treated very unfairly by this judge. Now, this judge is of mexican heritage. Im building a wall, okay . Im building a wall. I am going to do very well with the hispanics, the mexicans. So no mexican judge could ever be involved in a case that involves you . Hes a member of a society well, you know, very promexico, and thats fine. Its all fine. I think he should recuse himself. Because hes latino . Earlier this year, President Trump n a meeting with lawmakers, referred to haiti and some africanamerican nations as this is a quote kwsh shithole countries, adding that the u. S. Should get more people from countries like norway. And who can forget the president s comments following the deadly White Nationalist violence in charlottesville, virginia, where antisemetic slogans were shouted . You also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group excuse me. Excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. President trump claims that criminals and middle easterners are part of the caravan of thousands of Central American migrants making their way through mexico, trying to reach the u. S. Border. But listen to this exchange today with my colleague, jim acosta. Listen. You had said that there are middle easterners in the caravan. Yeah. Can you explain that . Are you saying there are terrorists in that caravan at this point . If you look at do you know for sure . I have very good information. Are you saying that you have evidence that there are terrorists in the caravan . I spoke with Border Patrol this morning, and i spoke to them last evening, and i spoke to them the day before. I speak to them all the time, and they say and you know this as well as anybody over the course of the year, over the course of a number of years, theyve intercepted many people from the middle east. But no proof that theyre in the caravan now . Theres no proof of anything. Right there in his own words, the president saying theres no proof of anything. A direct contradiction of himself. Hes directly contradicting himself. The Washington Post reporting that trumps using the Migrant Caravan as part of a strategy of fear ahead of the midterms to get republicans to the polls. Former Trump Campaign adviser, listen to this, calling it a political gift, saying, i wish they were carrying heroin. I wish we had thought of it. It speaks to the dearth of our creativity unfortunately. There are 7,000 people marching toward the u. S. Border. One party wants to let them in. The other party wants to keep them out. Think about that. I wish they were carrying heroin. That would really scare the voters, scoring potential political points while americans are dying in record numbers from a catastrophic opioid epidemic. The migrants are putting themselves in great danger to escape violence in their native countries, to seek asylum here in the United States, which is legal by the way. But there is no shame in the Trump White House about the lies, about the false statements, the pandering to the base. The president and his aides appear to be taking a page out of the steve bannon playbook. One of the architects of trumps strategy to win the election in 2016. Earlier this year he told a group of far right french nationalists that history is on their side. Let them call you racist. Let them call you xenophobes. Let them call you nativists. Wear it as a badge of honor. President trump proudly wearing that badge tonight. Eric holder calls the upcoming midterms the most important election in his lifetime. Im going to ask the former attorney general why he feels that way and about the efforts to keep voters away from the polls. Like a big pizza pie thats amore when the world seems to shine like youve had too much wine thats amore bells will ring ting a ling a ling ting a ling a ling more to love. Applebees new neighborhood pastas. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Hdelicious 100 real chocolates only one winner. Crunch. Embracing the lightness of crispy rice. Crunch. 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Together, all the way. Just two weeks to go until the Midterm Elections. President trump firing up his base telling supporters that although hes not on the ballot, the midterms are about him. Democrats are firing up their base as well, hoping a blue wave sweeps capitol hill. Lets discuss now with mr. Hark holder. He was attorney general under president obama, who is now the chairman, by the way, of the National DemocraticRedistricting Committee. Hello to you. Thanks for joining us. Lets talk about the blue wave first, okay . You said earlier this year the blue wave will hit a gerrymandered seawall, presumably districts drawn by republicans to keep democrats at bay. Just two weeks out, can the democrats overcome that . I think the democrats can overcome that if we have a really substantial turnout. But miim concerned this seawal of gerrymandering might stop that blue wave from getting to the shore, and i point to virginia where democrats beat republicans by ten Percentage Points last year, but were unable to take back the general assembly. So then what to do then because often times when these cases go to the court, they lose . Well, there are a number of things. We at the National DemocraticRedistricting Committee are coming up with ways in which we put in place these independent commissions to draw the lines as opposed to having politicians choosing their voters. Were filing lawsuits where that is appropriate. And then again, theres a direct electoral consequence. You can get past some of this gerrymandering if you have really, really substantial turnout. But you shouldnt have a system where you have to have substantial turnout. It ought to be whoever gets the most votes should win. Mmhmm. Its surprising that people who the smallest number of people i should say its not the majority who is actually running the country. It is the minority, and states where there are fewer representatives, fewer people, are actually deciding whats good or whats bad for the entire country. Well, i think there are a whole bunch of things we need to focus on. I mean with regard to gerrymandering and Voter Suppression, you are seeing a minority in this country taking power that is not legitimately theirs. A minority of people are taking majority power and running things for the rest of the country. And frankly taking positions that most of the rest of the country does not favor when it comes to gun safety measures, when it comes to questions about reproductive choice. These are all things where the minority is taking views inconsistent with the wishes of the majority. You raised eyebrows a few weeks ago when you talked to democrats and how they should oppose trump. I want you to watch this, and then well talk. Okay. Michelle says that, you know, when they go low, we go high. No. No. When they go low, we kick em. [ laughter ] thats what this new Democratic Party is about. Hmm. All right. I want to show you some other protests that have been happening. Watch this. [ bleep ]. You dont belong here, you [ bleep ] communist. Get the [ bleep ] out of here. We believe survivors. We believe survivors. We believe survivors. Listen, so you say that it was a figure of speech, that you werent advocating violence. But republicans dont care. Theyve branded you along with other democrats as angry, angry, violent mob. Are you worried about how this could play out . Well, i mean, what i was saying was really a metaphor for the notion that people who try to undermine our democracy should be opposed, and we as democrats should be tough in that opposition. I wasnt advocating violence obviously. And a lot of this outrage that you have seen on another news channel and by republicans is really is fake. You know, its made up. Theyre trying to use it for political advantage. Now, i am not one, however, who thinks that politicians should be confronted in restaurants or at their homes. I disagree violently with, you know, vehemently with what ted cruz has said, but i wouldnt approach him in a restaurant. Let him have dinner, you know, with his family and have a civil debate with him in another context. Do you regret at all saying that . Would you say it again . Well, you know, i said what i said. But what people dont play is what i said after almost immediately thereafter. I said, look, im not saying we do anything inappropriate, that we dont do anything illegal. Thats on that tape as well. And what i was trying to say then and what im saying now is democrats have to be prepared to be tough. As i watch, mr. Holder, and i see the division on both sides, people are really far left or far right and theyre angry, are you concerned at all about violence . Well, i mean, you know, there are always going to be people on the extremes who will resort to violence, but thats not whats best about america, and its not the way in which these elections should be decided. So, yeah, im worried about people on the fringes. But the vast majority of americans, you know, were a noisy nation, you know . We yell and scream at each other. You know, thats the nature of our political dialogue is frequently like. So, you know, we can handle that. All these people who are awfully concerned, expressing this fake concern about, you know, something that i said, are purveyors themselves of things that i think are inappropriate. I want to talk to you about whats happening now, getting close to our southern borders. At least its 1,000 miles away right now. The president is stoking pear and false characterization of an imMigrant Caravan heading to the southern border. Its dangerous to americans. You once said that the president s maga slogan is rooted in fear. Is this a Winning Strategy for him to characterize it that way . I certainly hope its not a Winning Strategy. I think that in some ways this election will allow us to look into the soul of this nation. Well really get a sense of where we are as a people. This is, i think, the most important Midterm Election of my life. We have an opportunity to put a check on an administration that i think has been unbelievably corrupt and that runs the country in a way thats inconsistent with all that we say we value as americans. You know, his characterization of this caravan and using the terms that he has used, i think is deeply disturbing and is, again, inconsistent with who we say we are as a nation. The president said something a lot of people find troubling at his rally last night. Listen to this. You know what i am . Im a nationalist, okay . Im a nationalist. [ cheers and applause ] nationalist. Use that word. Use that word. He repeated it, defended it today. Whats your reaction . What do you think he means . Im not sure what he means, and i wonder if he even knows what he means. Is he an ethnic nationalist . That would be a little disturbing. Is he an economic nationalist . I might disagree with some of the positions he might take. Because nationalist doesnt have a positive connotation. Some people find it similar to the beliefs of the neonazis who were in charlottesville or, you know, the new right, the altright so to speak. Well, you know, i have to give him the benefit of the doubt here. I hope that hes not trying to characterize himself in a way thats consistent with neonazis or white supremacists. Straightforward question here. Are you going to run for president . Im focused on november the 6th at this point, and im going to decide early next year. So youre not saying no. Youre not counting it out. Theres still a chance. Yeah, there is that chance. But as i said, im focused on november the 6th, and im urging everybody to get out there and vote. If joe biden joins the race, are you still going to run . Im going to make a decision on a variety of take into account a variety of things, but im not going to face that decision until next year. Youre going to be campaigning with former president barack obama later this week in michigan, a key state that went for trump in 2016. What will your message be . I think our message will be that weve got great candidates running for governor, running for senator, and downballot as well. Also they are to support a proposal that will take redistricting away from politicians and put it in the hands of an independent commission. And talk about, you know, the progress that we made during the obama administration, progress that was made while democrats were in power. And to say that, you know, we are a better country than we have seen exemplified by this president and by his administration and that its time for a change. Eric holder, i thank you for your time. Youre welcome to come back anytime on this program. Well have you. Thanks, don. So after proudly proclaiming himself a nationalist again, the president says the word should be used more often. Where is the republican pushback . So, i needed legal advice, and i heard that my cousins wifes sisters husband was a lawyer, so i called him. But he never called me back if your cousins wifes sisters husband isnt a lawyer, call legalzoom and well connect you with an attorney. Legalzoom. Where life meets legal. Weve hadfor a long time. Is in San Francisco and halfmeasures havent fixed it. Homelessness doesnt just hurt homeless people. It hurts all of us. Thats why were all voting yes on c. The plan is paid for by corporations that just got a massive tax break. 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I mean in general i think we should give President Trump some capacity to demonstrate obliviousness about words and so on. But in this case the fact that he already alluded to that earlier suggests to me that he knew exactly where he was coming from. And, you know, i think of the great de gaulle quote about nationalism versus patriotism. You want me to read it for new. Please do. Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first. Nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first. Doesnt that kind of capture it . It does. We should all be patriots. But those people who are going to coming across our border in this caravan with the what does he say . Middle easterners in there you know, it strikes me that throughout history theres been this tension between the statue of liberty ethos of give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, and the knownothings, and the chinese exclusion acts and im afraid that is exactly what is playing out now before these midterms. Max, i know you want to weigh in on this. Let me just ask you this. The president also admitting that there is no proof, max, of his unsupported claim that there are middle easterners among migrants. Heres what you write. You write about how this is his most shameless exercise in fearmongering yet. Go on, max. It is just so incredibly irresponsible for the president of the United States to make these grave insinuations to accuse these poor, helpless Central American migrants of being middle eastern terrorists and then basically saying, i dont need any proof. They could be. I think as nick himself said today on twitter, hey, the easter bunny could be in there too. You never know. Its always a possibility. But you expect a president of the United States to actually have some evidence behind his words. But clearly what really bothers me here is the fact that donald trump shows a cavalier disregard for the facts. He knows what hes saying is not truthful, and he doesnt care because he knows his base doesnt care. He knows that his fellow republicans dont care. They love what he is insinuating, which is that immigrants are terrorists. They love the fact that he is demonizing a minority group, these poor latinos who are trying to flee war and crime and poverty, trying to find a better life for themselves. And donald trump is basically beating them up in the service of political gain. This is one of the most despicable acts i have seen any politician carry out in my lifetime. Nick, you were very direct in your article in the times where you say, the Republican Party has lost its way. Heres what you write. You say, sure, there are still many principled individuals within the party. But as a national institution, the Republican Party is hollow. It is no longer its no longer about an ideology. Its about shining President Trumps shoes. You know, i mean the Republican Party genuinely stood for things. It was associated with fiscal conservatism. It was associated with standing up to russia. It was associated with free trade. These days it stands for none of that, and in particular Congressional Republicans have really avoided any kind of oversight or any willingness to provide any oversight over the white house in a way that seems to me an abandonment of their responsibility. Do you think the party should start over . We desperately need a good center right party, partly to hold progressives like me accountable. Thats the benefit of a twoparty system. When one Party Controls a city or a state, it doesnt work well. But this party doesnt seem to stand for anything larger than itself, and that, you know i think that a lesson needs to be taught at the elections to help build a more robust center right party. Max, youre actually quoted in nicks piece. You say the Republican Party must be burned to the ground if theres any chance at rebuilding. So to the people who are watching, who voted for trump, who see you, they may see you as maybe a disgruntled former republican who didnt get his way. What do you say to them . Well, i am a former republican, but thats the last thing i wanted to be. As i describe in my book, the corrosion of conservatism, i spent my entire life as a republican. The first time i ever voted for a democrat was Hillary Clinton in 2016, and it was only because donald trump was so unacceptable to me, and he has taken the Republican Party so far from its roots as the kind of open, expansive, optimistic, Inclusive Party that i knew as a young man in the 1980s. I mention in the book the fact that in 1980, Ronald Reagan actually gave a speech in which he talked about making America Great again, a familiar slogan. But when he was talking about that, he was doing it in front of the statue of liberty, celebrating the achievements of immigrants. When has donald trump ever had anything positive to say about immigrants . He sees them exclusively as a font of terrorism and crime, as a problem for our society, ignoring the fact that were all immigrants, including Donald Trumps own grandparents. This is a nation of immigrants, and donald trump talks a lot about making America Great, but he shows no understanding of what true greatness is all about in this country, which is our ability to take people from all over the world, meld them together in dedication to a common ideal, and to make them into americans. There is nothing more unamerican than the way that donald trump is beating up on minorities and outsiders in order to mobilize his white base. That is not what any party in america should be doing, and its tragic and horrifying to me that this is something that my old party, the Republican Party, is doing. I wish republicans would wake up and stop this. I wish republicans would say, enough. There are things that we will not do to win elections. This is going too far. This is hurting america. This is dividing americans. This is immoral. This unethical. This is wrong. But the only people i see saying that are people like me who are former republicans. And there are a lot of them. There are a lot of former republicans or people who are republicans now, and they get beat up because people call them rhinos, you know, or that theyre somehow turning their backs on their party because theyre speaking up for the principles that their party once stood for. Nick, ill give you the last word. You know, im sure that to some viewers who are republicans, it feels unfair that max or i are pounding on the party today, and it feels awkward for me frankly. But there have been times in our history when a party has gone so far astray or a movement has gone so far astray that you have to simply speak up. And the first round of the America First movement in 1940, 41, i think is an example where a lot of wellmeaning people didnt want anything to do with any kind of new war in europe or anywhere else. They thought that hitler was providing order in germany. They were sympathetic who a guy who got trains running on time. And in retrospect, that was a disaster that journalists and others had to blow the whistle on. And im sure it seemed partisan then, but you simply have to speak truth about issues that seem really important. It seems to me that this is in every way an echo of the american First Movement of that period when we have an american First Movement today that is an echo of that. Profound words to end on. I will only add that when we look back in ten years, 20 years time or even longer, if people will be happy with whatever side that they were on or their actions during this period. Thank you both. Well be right back. Im misha. And my favorite bar is crunch. 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Before tonights first debate, images surfaced of the democratic candidate, Stacie Abrams, protesting and watching the burning of the georgia flag back in 1992 when she was in college, okay . And this is what she was protesting. As you can see, back then more than half of the Georgia State flag was made of the confederate emblem. It was added in 1956 by the way. This is important. It was added in 1956 to send a message that georgia was against integrating schools. Heres how abrams defended herself in tonights debate. 26 years ago as a college freshman, i along with many other georgians, including the governor of georgia, were deeply disturbed by the racial divisiveness that was embedded in the state flag with that confederate symbol. I took an action of peaceful protest. I said that that was wrong, and ten years later my opponent, brian kemp, actually voted to remove that symbol. So there is a long history of protesting the confederate symbol, and abrams was on the right side of history. In 2003 it was completely removed from georgias flag. But the States History with race keeps coming up in this campaign. Abrams wants a giant carving of stone mountain, a confederate memorial, removed. And her opponent, brian kemp, is promising to protect it, it and other Historical Monuments from, quote, the radical left. By the way, if she is elected in november, Stacie Abrams would become the first black female governor in this country. Lets bring in now Symone Sanders and Scott Jennings to discuss. Good evening to both of you. Will this controversy over stacy abrams and the georgia flag make a difference in this race . First symone . No. I really dont think this controversy is going to sway a number of voters. I do think this is an 11th hour Opposition Research drop that frankly fell flat. I think what georgians are concerned about is their health care, is the economy. Are they going to elect a governor thats going to go to work for them and not National Special interests . And i think thats what theyre concerned about. They have a clear choice in this race, and in my opinion, people should be pulling the lever for stacy abrams, but i dont think this is like the flag controversy is going to tip the scale. So this matter, scott, kemp, her opponent, is painting her, abrams, as too extreme. Does this new story fit that narrative . Do you think its successful . I dont think anybody who opposes the confederacy and supports the First Amendment is extreme. I think she engaged in a First Amendment action. The symbol is no longer on the georgia flag anyway. I mean, look, i dont think this is going to be relevant to most people. And i dont know i dont know what kemps position on the whole thing is, but at the end of the day, she has a First Amendment right to engage in any kind of free speech she wants. And i just i dont think most people are going to take issue with somebody who happens to oppose the confederacy. They lost. The union won, and thats where and get over it. As a son of the south, im like, could we please get over this . They lost. Okay. So listen, lets talk about, this is a very important story we want to talk about. Voting rights, a big deal in this race. The issue is kemps enforcement of a rule known as the exact match rule. Now, this rule requires names on voting rolls to precisely match names in other state records, okay . So according to the associated press, of the 53,000 voters put on hold through this process, 70 of them, africanamericans. Heres what kemp said when he was asked if he is suppressing the vote, and then abrams responds. Watch this. We have more voters on the roll than when i took office. I created the process for overseas and military ballots to be delivered electronically. We have made it easier to vote and hard to cheat. And just because ms. Abrams files a false lawsuit or the new georgia project, it doesnt mean its right. And we defeated that in 2014. Mr. Kemp, youre out of time. The right to vote is a right. I grew up in a family that fought for the right to vote before they were old enough to do so. My father was arrested helping people register. So i take the right to vote very seriously. I only believe that those who have the legal eligibility to vote should cast a ballot. But i also understand that under secretary kemp, more people have lost the right to vote in the state of georgia. Theyve been purged. Theyve been suppressed. Symone, problem for kemp . How bad is it . I think it is a problem for brian kemp, and let me tell you why. Because this exact match rule, this law used to be a policy of the secretary of States Office. Brian kemp said there on the debate stage that he was that the new georgia project sued and they lost. Thats not true. They sued, and they came to an agreement with the secretary of States Office. And then what happened, the legislature ended up passing the exact policy that the secretary of state made up and codified it into law. So i think this is problematic. Look, i think Rolling Stone also has an article that dropped today that said that brian kemp at a fundraiser was talking about the fact that high voter turnout would be damaging to their campaign, i. E. , the republican governors campaign, his campaign, and that, you know, if lots of people turn out to vote, it wont bode well for him. He is on tape saying that. So that coupled with his record in the secretary of States Office i think is extremely concerning, which is why, don, folks have called for him to step down so that folks in georgia know that on november 6th when they go to the ballot, they are going to the ballot or at least recuse himself from this process until the election is over. Scott, im going to get you in on the other side. 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Has no place in american politics. I wonder what the motivations are of some people sometimes to put these things out. I understand theres i think theyre trying to get people to acknowledge them and therefore, elevate them. So i kind you have want this condemned without shout without elevating the bastards who did it. I hate it. I hope anybody in any campaign anywhere carrying r behind their name, if this kind i have activity goes on in your race, condemn it immediately. Separate yourself from it. It has no place in your campaign. Symone, weve been talking about Stacey Abrams and andrew gillum. Do you expect more ugliness like this the next two weeks . I wouldnt be surprised if we saw it, don. By the way, good on scott. Look, if more folks hired consultants like Scott Jennings on the republican side, the world would be a better place. I say that because so many campaigns in the 9th and 11th hour are scaring people into going to the polls instead offing them something to vote for. I think thats a failed strategy. I wouldnt be surprised if we saw more of these robocalls. The group in idaho have done this before. This is something they do in races across the country. Its racist. We need to condemn it when we see it and an hear it. I dont think gillum or abrams is letting this distract them and take them off their message. See you next time. All the problems with one word the president is using to define himself. Fareed zakaria weighs in on all the racist connotations that come with calling yourself a nationalist. Narrator he claims to be an education reformer, but marshall tucks failed record managing actual schools wont work as superintendent of public instruction. As ceo of l. A. S Partnership schools, the teachers gave tuck a vote of no confidence. And tucks total mismanagement of l. A. Charter schools caused financial problems that cost taxpayers thousands. Tony thurmond. The only candidate endorsed by classroom teachers. 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