Youre classy. You are. I like it. Look, we know whats going on here, right . They have two points of resistance. The first one is inhouse. The second one is out of house. And theyre playing hedge. Im saying this is isnt a situation to play. Because the ultimate commodity, the currency here is the integrity of your purpose. I couldnt agree more. They say democracy is not a spectator sport, but its not supposed to be a game. I think the American People are getting tired of being pawns. Theyre wondering if its actually moving across. It is going to be a checkmate . This entire thing is really confusing. Its frustrating. Its exhausting. Were going to try to clear it up tonight. They got the right person doing it. Laura coates, ill look forward to watching. Have a great night. This is cnn tonight. Im laura coates sitting in for don lemon. And democrats are taking a big step towards impeachment tonight. The House Judiciary Committee suing in federal court to get that secret grand jury material from Robert Muellers report. Arguing they actually need it because they are, quote, investigating whether to recommend articles of impeachment. A significant development. Also planning to enforce, by the way, the Committee Subpoena of former white House Counsel don mcgahn. Remember, he defied that subpoena way back in may on orders of the white house. He may now be the big kahuna witness in all this in another hearing. That as 101 House Democrats and 1 independent have come out in support of an impeachment inquiry, which is why the president is steamed tonight. I think its a disgrace, what the democrats are doing. I watch bob mueller, and they have nothing. There is no collusion, no obstruction, they have nothing. Its a disgrace. We want to find out what happened with the last democrat president. Lets look into obama the way theyve looked at me. From day one, theyve looked into everything that weve done. They could look into the book deal president obama made. Lets subpoena all of his records. The book that obama made . Well, that is deflection at its finest. Youre calling for an investigation the president obama for his book deal . Its odd the man who claims to be the author of the art of the deal. We know he had a ghost writer, would have a problem with his predecessors book deal. Well, maybe its not so odd. And speaking of former president obama, 148 African Americans who served in his administration have written a brandnew oped, and its in the Washington Post tonight. The title . We are African Americans, we are patriots, and we refuse to sit idly by. Here is a quote from that oped. We stand with congresswomen ilhan omar, alexandria ocasiocortez, Ayanna Pressley and rashida tlaib, as well as all those currently under attack by President Trump, along with his supporters and his enablers who feel deputized to decide who belongs here and who does not. There is truly nothing more unamerican than calling on fellow citizens to leave our country by citing their immigrant roots or ancestry or their unwillingness to sit in quiet obedience while democracy is being undermined. Well talk more about that in a moment. But the thing the president is really steaming about tonight, the reason he is trying to deflect and distract with his attacks on those four congresswomen of color, and now with attacks on president obama and his book deal, well, its all because of the i word, impeachment. Judiciary chairman nadler trying to thread a very fine needle saying what his committee is doing is in effect an impeachment inquiry. Youre saying theres no difference between what youre doing now and an impeachment inquiry, correct . In effect. We are investigating all of this and yes going to see what remedies we can recommend, including the possibility of articles of impeachment. Were not limited to that, but thats very much the possibility as a result of what were doing. In effect . The possibility . Well this that, as Speaker Nancy Pelosi is saying this. We wont proceed when we have what we need to proceed. Not one day sooner. The decision will be made in a timely fashion. This isnt endless. When we have the best strongest possible case, and thats not endless. It may be endless in terms of violations of the law that the president is engaged in, but thats what i say to you. But as far as other members of the committee are concerned, the impeachment investigation has already begun. This is an impeachment investigation. We are now officially entering into an examination of whether or not to recommend the articles of impeachment. So we have crossed a threshold. I would say we are in an impeachment investigation. That was congressman jamie raskin, and he joins me now. How you doing tonight . How are you, congressman . Im glad youre joining the program tonight. I want you clarify so much for us today, so thank you. You know, your committee is suing thank you for having me. Im glad youre here. Im glad youre here. Your committee is suing to obtain the grand jury material and youre saying were in impeachment investigation. So why just formally launch it . Were talking about is this semantics . Is this a method somehow to the distinction . Well, we were just confronted with overwhelming evidence of president ial obstruction of justice, ten different episodes and this astonishing unprecedented occurrence of a president ial candidate openly welcoming Foreign Government support in the middle of a president ial campaign. If this is not impeachable i dont know what is. The president is upset about it. He should be upset with the founding fathers. They are the ones who built four different provisions mentioning impeachment into the constitution, not just in article i for congress, but in article 2 right after hes told his law is to cake what the laws are faithfully executed. If he doesnt he can be impeached. Like treason and bribery. And now obstruction of justice, which has been validated by history to be on the same par with bribery and treason. So why is there confusion for people . Why is it not the same statement . Its an impeachment inquiry. Its an investigation. Why is there a back and forth about what to call it . Are we having the wrong focus here . Well, yeah, i think people shouldnt get hung up on the semantics of it. The constitution doesnt have a name for probe or investigation. Or inquiry. There is no federal law that require you give it a particular name, and its not in the house rules that it has a particular name or procedure. It can either arise from the floor and be sent to the house for consideration and then sent back as articles, or can arise from the committee itself. I think people are most familiar from the last president ial impeachment where it was sent from the floor, but there have been lots of impeachments, especially a lot of judicial impeachments. I couldnt get hung up either on the nomenclature or else on the process. Weve got the chair of our committee and the armying majority of the democrats on the committee saying we are in an impeachment investigation. Were being bombarded and buffeted by all of the president s high crimes and misdemeanors. What we need to do is put it together to tell a coherent narrative to the American People. I think thats really about a president who has converted the government of the United States into a money making operation for himself, for his business, for his family and his friends, and it now pervades the entire executive branch of government. So why is there a focus right now on the grand jury material . I know part of it is about don mcgahn and his statements and getting him to testify as well. Do you think there is a smoking gun, something compelling in there that is actually going to facilitate that discussion on impeachment as the only option . I think we have to complete the investigation of what took place with all of the obstruction of justice. Don mcgahn of course was the white house lawyer who was told by donald trump to go out and fire the special counsel in order to sabotage muellers investigation. And he refused to do so. That was the only thing that remotely saved donald trump from the obviousness of the actions. But as mueller emphasized in the hearing this week, its obstruction of justice once you try to interfere with an ongoing legal proceeding, once you try to coach a witness or to scare or intimidate a witness or to somehow persuade a witness. All of those things are accomplished, completed crimes, even if somebody saves you from, you know, your own terrible instincts. Some people did. G but again, thats only an image. As matter of law, he was not saved. One of the concerns people have after the mueller hearing is the idea its all in the report already. Why is it necessary . Help me understand why its necessary to hear from don mcgahn to further get all of this evidence in the record . Well, its the same reason that congress has always insisted on getting the underlying materials from special counsels or independent counsels in the past. Its one thing to get a generalized summary of events. Its another to get witnesses in their own words telling you precisely what happened. And of course thats what makes things come alive for members of congress and for the public. Were a democracy. The people govern here and they want to know what happened. They want to give due process to the president , but they also want to know precisely whats been taking place against the people of the country. So we need to know this in detail, and weve got add some vividness to the story so people understand it. They dont want a game of telephone. They want it directly. The American People have responsibility to do is the idea of voting. You have to clock ahead. 2020 election is upon us. Yes. In a little more than a year. Are you afraid theres going to be a deadline that you did not anticipate that will run out the clock on the idea of even inquiring about this process . Well, sure. But think of it this way. In america theres always another election. Its built into the election that we have house of representatives election every two years. Which tells you that the founders wanted the house of representatives where impeachment investigations and articles arise to be very closely in tune with public sentiment and public opinion. And then we elect president s every foyer years there is always another election around the corner, and still the founders insisted that there be impeachment as a weapon of last defense of the peoples rights and the constitution against a president who insist upon acting like a king and trampling the rule of law. This was really essential to the founders. Remember, they rebelled against centuries of monarchy, of dictatorship, and were living in an age of resurgent authoritarianism and dictat dictatorship all over the world. Whether its putin in russia or duterte in the philippines or el sisi in egypt. These are strong men dictators who want to control their society. In authoritarian fashion. Were getting the attack on free press and election. Attempt to extinguish peoples voting rights, scapegoating people. All of those are trademark tactics of authoritarian despots all around the world, and its happening rights here in america. We have to use the means given to us by our founders. We need every kid, every citizen to rediscover the constitution of the United States. Go and find those impeachment clauses tonight. There is no deadline on democracy. You proved that point. Thank you. We look forward to hearing more from you. Thank you so much. I want to bring in max boot, author of the corrosion of conservatism. And michael dantoni. I want your reaction from what we just heard from congressman raskin. Democrats are essentially starting an impeachment inquiry without formally calling it that. What do you think about the word play . Well, i think theyre trying to split the difference because there is a difference of opinion between chairman jerry nadler, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and Speaker Nancy Pelosi, because Speaker Pelosi is very concerned about her majority. She doesnt want to force members who won elections in purple districts to take a tough vote which she fears could come back to haunt them and possibly cost the democrats their majority next year, whereas chairman nadler is more focused on the right and wrong of the situation. Theres no question in my mind on the merit, President Trump deserves to be impeached. He violated the law and failed to uphold the oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution. But theres this big gap between how do you proceed from this point when Everybody Knows that the votes are not going to be there in the senate to remove President Trump from office and this whole procedure could backfire. So basically what i see happening is nadler is moving forward with the impeachment through the back door. Without forcing all the members of congress to take a tough vote. And as we know theres about 100 members of congress in favor, most of the Democratic Caucus is not. So what that suggests to me is they will move ahead with the investigation, but impeachment i think still remains very unlikely. So listen to what chairman nadler had to say today, and i want to get your reaction to this. I believe the hearing with director mueller was an inflection point. We are considering the malfeasance of the president. We are considering what remedies we can do, including the possibility of articles of impeachment. So nadler is saying that, look, articles of impeachment are possible. He is looking maybe to don mcgahn. Are we talking about don mcgahn being the new john dean here . I think thats the hope. The lawsuits we saw too, the grand jury lawsuit and the filing early next week to compel don mcgahn are going to be so crucial. Really for two reasons. Theyre going to force the democrats to take a position. Where are you on impeachment . Can we please make a plea to everybody. Please bring back plain language. Plain english. Youre just done already. You Want Congress to act and also be clear . Have you been in this country long . Heaven forbid. Right. We have seen so many times if you leave any wiggle room or gray area, donald trump and in some cases bill barr will jump in and spin. I think democrats need to learn a lesson here. You need to be clear. Theyll have to go on record in court and say judges will ask. Where are you . Is this an inquiry . Do you have a resolution . And the more formal it is, the stronger their hand will be in court. And regarding mcgahn, this is all or nothing with respect to these witnesses, not just mcgahn. Wherever that goes is where the ruling is going to go on hope hicks and lewandowski and sessions. If the democrats lose on mcgahn, theyre going to have no second act here. I want to hear from you after this break. Youre smiling over there. Michael, hold your thought. Well keep going with this conversation after a quick break. Stop by Bass Pro Shops and cabelas for great deals during our archery gear up sale. All the latest gear from archerys top brands. And huge savings so you can stock up for the season. Bass pro shops and cabelas. Your adventure starts here. Hey, who are you . Oh, hey jeff, im a car thief. What . im here to steal your car because, well, thats my job. What . What . . What . laughing what . . What . what . [crash] what . haha, it happens. And if youve got cutrate car insurance, paying for this could feel like getting robbed twice. So get allstate. And be better protected from mayhem. Like me. Im back with max boot, and elie honig and michael dantonio. I want to start with you, michael. Its very obvious that the president s feathers are a little bit ruffled here. They sure are. You know, i was reminded of the president being on saturday night live and dressing up like a chicken. You know, this is he wanted to paint this as a good week for him, but think about the difference between Robert Mueller and donald trump. Robert mueller is the u. S. Marine, the cary grant kind of hero. He is reticent, uncontained, he is always hysterical. He is always upset. He is always angry. There is such a contrast between these two men. One is a public servant. The other believes it should serve him. I dont think mueller lost. I think over time people are going to say whoa, pull back a moment, con pair and contrast. Lets hear what trump sounded like. You called him a wet hen. I want to hear what one sounds like here. Hold on. All they want to do is impede. They want to investigate. They want to go fishing. And i watched bob mule. And they have nothing. There is no collusion. There is no obstruction. They have nothing. Its a disgrace. So the president , max, is talking about people who were impeding and the word disgrace was used there. Im going to put the irony aside for a second, max, and ask you whats your reaction to the president s reaction. Well, its kind of typical donald trump. I mean, it didnt matter what was happening. He is going to claim a victory anyway. After the Mueller Report came out, which was the most damning indictment of a sitting president i think weve ever seen from any special counsel in u. S. History, listing these tenets of obstruction of justice and laying out how donald trump welcomed foreign interference in our elections. Donald trump said he was exonerated, that everything was great. He was completely cleared, all the same time he was claiming Robert Mueller was running a witch hunt. He is very confused about whether mueller is a witch hunter or an exonerater. Its hard to be both. Now you saw that same confusion in spades this week after the mueller testimony where again completely predictably trump claims vindication, which has not occurred to any fairminded american watching these proceedings, except in a very narrow sense in terms of kind of the optics of it and the political impact, because there has been this apathy towards impeachment on the part of the american public, and democrats were hoping that mueller could break through that apathy and sadly, i dont think he has done, that at least based on the polls that weve seen this week. There is still widespread opposition Going Forward with impeachment. In the sense of the politics and the optics, something has something to crow about. He has won, but he has not won on the merits. And lets not lose sight of the merits, that this is a president who has trashed his office, who has trashed american democracy, who has been the most dishonest and despicable person to occupy the office of the president. And no matter what happened this week does not change that one eye o iota. You have to learn at some point, max, to form an opinion about the president of the United States. Its not clear to anyone how you feel about the issue. I read the committees pet forgiven grand jury materials. Talking about the merits of the case. Theyre trying to access three categories. One, they want the grand jury material known as 6 c. They want the redacted material that speaks to trumps state of mind. They want to look at these packages related to that 2016 trump tower meeting with the russians. They want to know whether George Papadopoulos told others in the campaign about russia obtaining dirt on clinton. They want to know about carter pages trip to moscow, manafort and the polling data, erik princes being in the seychelles. So much i guess for three categories. So i ask you, taking about the merit, eli, will the courtside with them or not . I do think the court will side with congress here, because congress is exercising, they made clear in their papers their most important power, the power of impeachment. Thats why jerry nadler had to go on record in front of the court with word games we are considering impeachment. That is the top level of power that congress has. And i think congress could benefit from max boots level of moral clarity. Theyre so calculated in everything they say. To me the line of the week is when representative cummings got up and said this is our watch. And it was refreshing to hear someone say straight up lets put aside the politics and the polling and mincing words and think about what the historical legacy is going to be here. This is our watch. I think that level of clarity would really help the cause. And the courts know that congress impeaches president s. President s dont impeach congress. So i think elie is right. The congress is first in line here, and i think theyll get what they want. 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Heres part of what they wrote. There is truly nothing more unamerican than calling on fellow citizens to leave our country. We are proud descendants of immigrants, refugee and the enslaved africans who built this country while enduring the horrors of its original sin. We are red blooded americans. We are patriots, and we have plenty to say about the direction this country is headed. Joining me now to discuss, kyung lah, david rosen and swerdlick. David, ill start with you, its a really, really powerful oped from these former obama staffers. What was your reaction to it . So a couple of things. First off, all of us know all of these people. I think this is a heartfelt message saying after two weeks of debate about President Trumps go back to africa tweets that look, weve dealt with the racism component of this. But there is another component of this, which is that african large, immigrant communities are patriots and not just patriots, but have contributed to American Progress every step along the way, fought in all of americas war, contributed to the economy, all the way up to the first black president , who got the country out of a historic recession, got osama bin laden, on and on i could go all day with the laundry list of things that have been accomplished. And when you get to a point in this country where you have the slogan of the incumbent administration, which is make America Great again, which is an affront both to the idea that there was ever a time that america wasnt great and also an affront to the idea that there was a time when these communities didnt have as much as a say than we had than people fell like they really had to speak out. You mentioned people on the list. The names of the people on this, you have valerie jarrett, youve got people like drew elands, kevin beckford. The list is very long. Talking about 140 plus people on this list. Each of them had a very prominent role in this administration. Hillary, i have to know from you, the president , in spite of what david is talking about, in spite of factchecking and going beyond why the phrase was offensive of send her back and go back, donald trump has doubled down on his racist attacks on the squad. Is it going to backfire beyond justice 140 plus African American members of the Obama Administration . Whats the political consequence to this . Well, the interesting thing to me, of course, is that the loudest African American voice on that page was the absent one, barack obama. And, you know, i cant help but wonder if he thinks sort of what i think, which is, yeah, keep calling him a racist, and thats good because he is a racist, but are you playing his game if you prolong the story. His goal in keeping the squad on the front pages and attacking them for their racism is to identify democrats with whatever the most progressive position is, right or wrong, but i think the result the good news is that it is actually uniting democrats. Its uniting members of congress in the hour, its uniting democrats across the country to say this. But you really do when you get back and forth into this kind of, you know, who hates people more, you really are on his playing field. And im just not sure thats where the country should be and where democrats should be. Well, kyung, you have been following the campaign trail of these candidates for 2020. And you know that they are candidates who are competing for the black vote. Assuming thats a mono lilithic statement, the idea about theyre punching down, theyre playing on his battlefield. What has stood out the most to you . I have to tell you, just from listening today, and we heard from three president ial candidates, pete buttigieg, kirsten gillibrand, Kamala Harris, the thing that you really notice is how different the conversation is this cycle. Remember back in 2008 when barack obama didnt really directly talk about issues of race right off the bat. Were now having conversations early on in this cycle about systemic racism. Kirsten gillibrand in particular talked about her responsibility as a white woman, trying to break down systemic racism, her White Privilege and her responsibility in trying to assist black americans. And thats what her job was. It was truly extraordinary to hear that level of conversation. And then the specificity of some of these plans. Senator Kamala Harris unrolled a plan today, two planks of her black agenda policy. And one of it was 60 billion investment into s. T. E. M. Education at hbcus. This is just the level of conversation that is new, and especially new among a very diverse democratic field. And of course youre talking, kyung, about senator harris. She was also, by the way, defending her career as a district attorney, and also as attorney general of california. Watch. I am acutely aware of what is wrong with the system, and i made therefore a very conscious decision to become a prosecutor. Why do we only have to be on the outside . On bended knee or trying to break down the door, shouldnt we also have a role on the inside where the decisions are being made in a way we can influence the change that must occur . Now, kyung, i admit that im biased as a former federal prosecutor so, i understand what she is talking about, having a seat at the table or being on the menu. But is that something were going to hear more about at next weeks cnn debate . Well, certainly her campaign is preparing for it, because that is an entry point for the other candidates as far as attacking senator harris because of her prosecutorial background. But remember, when she was entering this field, it was a very different time. So now she has to account for some of that. Thats what her campaign and her team is certainly preparing for. But you heard how passionate she was there. She has made this argument before. She is going to make it again and again and again, especially to black voters, who are having this, as i said, this elevated conversation about systemic racism, about criminal justice, and whether she is the right person, given her decades of service as a prosecutor, if she is the right candidate to make that argument to a 2020 field that relies so heavily on black voters. Well, you know, hillary, speaking of the voters themselves, there a new National Poll out from fox news, and it shows joe biden with a commanding lead. You got him 18 point ahead of second place senator bernie sanders. What do you make of this new poll . Look, biden has been ahead ever since he got into this race. He actually leads with black voters. I think it is important for white candidates today for frankly you know, all white people to express how we feel about racism, how we approach racism. So its important that candidates be required to do that. But i do think that, you know, trying to label joe biden a racist subtly as cory booker has done or as Kamala Harris has done or attack his history, i just dont think those attacks are particularly effective. People are worrying about health care. Theyre worrying about jobs. Theyre worrying about their kids education and future. Theyre not going to buy an argument that joe biden is just an old white racist. Well, well have to see. The election is coming up. I wish i could hear more from you, david. Dont miss the cnn democratic president ial debates next tuesday and wednesday nights. Dana bash, don lemon and jake tapler moderate july 30th and 31st beginning at 8 00 p. M. Eastern. Now a shock photo leads to the suspension of three ole miss students from their fraternity. But does their punishment match the desecration of a memorial to the young emmett till . Ill make my case, next. So rich and creamy . Oh its a philadelphia family recipe. Can i see it . No. Philadelphia dips. So good, youll take all the credit. Be right back. With moderate to severe Crohns Disease, i was there, just not always where i needed to be. Is she alright . I hope so. So i talked to my doctor about humira. I learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of Crohns Disease after trying other medications. And the majority of people on humira saw significant symptom relief and many achieved remission in as little as 4 weeks. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. 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The photograph was obtained by the Mississippi Center for investigative reporting and propublica. The memorial appears to be bullet ridden. Its unclear whether the students caused the actual damage. The university of mississippi identified two of the students. As john low and ben leclair. Its not clear at this point who the third student is or what his status at the university is. And were blurring their faces because despite our efforts, weve not been able to yet reach them for comment. All three have been suspended from kappa alpha fraternity. A spokesperson for the fraternity saying, quote, the photograph is inappropriate, insensitive and unacceptable. It does not represent our chapter. The universities a interim chancellor sent a message to students, to faculty, to staff and alumni this afternoon, including this quote saying they do not speak for our institution, and they do not define us. What makes this different than other offensive, hurtful and Disgusting Things we see on social media every day is that at the very least, it belittles the price that a 14 yearold paid for being black. Race and ethnicity are not choices. They are not political affiliations, decisions or attitudes. They are fundamental aspects of our dignity and who we are as individuals. Now the Justice Department sill Civil Rights Division is also reportedly investigating the photograph. Last night don lemon talked with a man who broke the story. His name is Jerry Mitchell, and he is the founder of the Mississippi Center for investigative report, and he spent his career investigating Civil Rights Era killings. I think one of the sad parts of this is you know, they dont completely know who emmett till is. Maybe they understand sort of who emmett till is. But youre absolutely correct. If they really understood who emmett till was, they wouldnt have anything to do with this. Because he, his death as you all know pro pepped the Civil Rights Movement really in america. His mothers courage to stand up and say i wanted the world to see what was done to my baby. Thats quite a benefit of the doubt. If they knew who he was. And they wouldnt have. You heard Jerry Mitchell say it. If those College Students really knew who emmett till was, they would never have posed for that picture. Well, let me remind you who emmett till really was. He was 14yearold African American human being, the only child of Mamie Elizabeth till mobley, who sent him from chicago to mississippi to visit her family in the summer of 1955. Now she, his mother, was born and raised in rural mississippi, and she warned her son about the racism he would encounter there. Later, saying at trial of her sons murderers, quote, living in chicago, he didnt know. Just days after emmett arrived in mississippi, he was accused of whistling at a 21yearold white woman. The womans husband and his half brother went to the house where he was staying and dragged him out of bed in the middle of the night and ordered him into a pickup truck. They tortured him mercilessly, shot him in the head and threw his body in the tallahatchie river, but not before putting a 75pound cotton gin fan around his neck. Emmetts grieving mother insisted on an open casket at his funeral. Why . So the world could not ignore what happened to her baby. The men who killed emmett were identified by eyewitnesses, and they confessed to kidnapping him, but they were acquitted by an allwhite jury. Now a year later they confessed to a reporter they did murder him. But double jeopardy laws prevent them from facing another trial. And prevented justice for till and his family. So i ask you, where is the outrage when a memorial is desecrated, one with so much historical and cultural significance that explains in part the heritage of this country . If im mistaken, wasnt that the justification for the outrage over moving confederate flags and monuments . Where is the outrage that this memorial is being used as the backdrop for what looks like a hunting photo where. Is the outrage that this doesnt even violate the students code of conduct at ole miss. Expulsion . Forget it. This is only enough to suspend you from your fraternity. And 64 years after his murder, we are still asking will there ever be justice for emmett till . Well talk about that next. Thats a chevy blazer . Aww, this is dope. This thing is beautiful. I love the lights. Oh man, its got a mean face on it. It looks like a piece of candy. Look at the interior. This is nice. This is my sexy mom car. I would feel like a cool dad. Its just really chic. I love this thing. Its gorgeous. I would pull up in this in a heartbeat. I want one of these. That is sharp. The allnew chevy blazer. Speaks for itself. 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Thank you for being here and keeping this story and his legacy in our hearts. What did you think when you saw this photo . Well, you know, thats been a question thats been asked today, and i think its appropriate, but ill tell you that, you know, i think about those young men standing in front of the sign with guns, it is a spot that is a solemn place for us and i just, you know, am not surprised but just deeply disappointed and saddened that they would take a place that and emmitts place in history which, you know, his death and his mothers grave and brave act to expose his body in the face of hate in this country. This is a place that started the Civil Rights Movement, and so for them to stand in front of that sign and with their guns and such a callous manner, it also gives me pause to reflect that, you know, emmitts tortured body and what he had to endure, it doesnt compare to the bullet holes that are in that sign so i often think about what happened to emmitt and im hoping that they think and now have a chance to reflect and have a chance to better understand what his place in history is, and that is thats those are my thoughts about it. Not disappointed but i mean, disappointed but sternly not surprised that it happened. Deborah, is it possible at this point to get justice . I mean, there was an acquittal from the men who kidnapped and killed him. You have this constant vandalism and this photograph. Is it possible to get justice for emmitt and what would it be like . Emmitts case is still an open murder case. It was revisited by the department of justice and fbi in 2018. Theres still a possibility that there could be charges brought against those that were responsible for his murder. There needs to be accountability. Thats what justice looks like for me and i think for many members of my family as well and i think the nation. You know, they want accountability. They want the truth. They want those that were a part of it, the perpetrators held accountable, and anybe one else that was involved. I stand with you in that. I have to tell you we all do collectively. Its just a horrific thing that keeps happening. Thank you for keeping his legacy alive and making sure that that justice continues to be pursued. I really thank you and i thank you for watching. Our coverage continues. Onic acim with our highest concentration of hyaluronic acid. Visibly plumps skin and reduces wrinkles. Revitalift hyaluronic acid serum from loreal. Available at walmart. From loreal. [laughter] im okay. But allstate actually helps you drive safely. With drivewise. 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