Neck tie was in here. Did you sneak in my closet . No, i just never gave it back. I was hoping you wouldnt remember. I have not worn it sense. I said, if he came into this office, he better have worn gloves. Im the covid kid. Im negative and i have the antibodies. I dont feel bad now. This is as close as i could get because it was blue. So im really happy that you are back. You are always better dressed. You are always better looking. I couldnt even find a pocket square. Did you take my pocket square . No, this is my dads. I actually gave you a pocket square. You have been a tremendous friend. You always have been. I love you for who you are and how you are. You really took care of my family. Ill never forget it. Well, thank you very much. Can i Say Something as they work on there we go. Its up now, you can go now. Im kidding. They were working on my teleprompter. Can i Say Something sure, its your show. Were looking at these new models that are coming out and they should be concerning to everyone. You and i, you know, have both had a chance to be out. I had to work this weekend. I got into the city. I saw it looked like a normal sunday as i drove into the city this weekend. Saw people out. Many of them not Wearing Masks. And i was concerned about the numbers creeping back up. You would think with these new models coming out, and i saw dr. Anthony fauci on. He said, well, models are models. Ive heard dr. Gupta say, you know, no model is correct. I forget what he says, all of them are false or whatever, but they are a good guide. With all of these models coming out, you would think that the white house, the administration, especially the task force, that they would want to give the American People some information. Its been a week. Since we have heard from them. People are at home wondering whats happening. All of these places are opening back up. Theyre concerned about these models. Everyone i know has been asking me about these models. What is happening . Are the numbers actually creeping up . Were not hearing anything from the administration. Were not hearing anything from the task force. People have a right to know what is going on. Fauci and birx have been straight from the beginning that if you do this, youre gonna have more pain. Yeah. This is not about science, its about politics, and i got a news flash for you, this white house is not in the business of giving the American People bad news they cant blame on somebody else. Thats not why thats why youre not hearing about the models. The va hasnt put out numbers about how our veterans are fairing with covid in days. The websites down. Theyre not in the business of giving bad news they cant blame on somebody else. But heres what we know, don, to be fair to them, if you dont know that bad things are gonna happen when we reopen then youre not paying attention. Cant blame this all on them. We all know our reality. We all know our risk. Yeah. Everywhere i go now, brother, this, these, and gloves. And i carry the love that i have for you, and i stay home because i want people i want you to be safe and i did i do that for you and for people like you, you know what im saying . I do know exactly. All right. You are an american. I love you don lemon. I love you, too. Im happy that youre back and glad that youre safe and healthy and your family as well. Ill see you soon. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. Here is our breaking news, okay . And i want everyone to please Pay Attention to this. Because these are stark warnings tonight. The toll of the coronavirus in this country could get much, much worse. While we are acting like things are getting better, okay, it could get much, much worse. Were reopening states, at least 42 of them will be partially reopened by sunday. As if we could beat this virus thats killing thousands and thousands of americans by just acting as if everything is fine. Everything is not fine. Were not on the other side of this yet, okay . Please, please listen to me. More than 68,000 americans have died. More than 1,180,000 people have gotten sick. New predictions of just how high those numbers could go are a gut punch. The model often cited by the white house from the university of washington now forecasting 134,475 total deaths in the United States. This is by august 4th. Today is may 4th. August 4th is just three months away. Thats nearly double its previous prediction. Why have those numbers gone so high . I want you to listen to what the director of the institute behind the model tells Anderson Cooper and dr. Sanjay gupta. Theres clearly a huge relationship between how much people are out and about and how much transmission occurs, and it also means that when we cut mobility with social distancing, that was having a very beneficial effect on transmission. So no surprise, as people go back to being more active and interacting with each other, were going to see increased transmission. No surprise, he says. Yet the president is encouraging more states to reopen. And the thing is he may not see the results. We may not see the results of those reopenings for weeks. We still dont have the widespread testing the president promised nearly two months ago. Remember, anybody who needs a test can get a test . Anybody that needs a test gets a test. Theyre there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful. Beautiful. Were still not there. And that means we have no idea how many of us are Walking Around carrying the virus. Asymptomatic. No symptoms. Just spreaders. And potentially spreading it to others. If we make the wrong choices now, more people will die. A Trump Administration model projects a steep rise in the number of cases and deaths, up to 3,000 deaths per day by june. 3,000 americans per day. Less than one month from now. That according to the internal document obtained by the New York Times and confirmed by cnn. That model also predicting about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month. Yet the president , who has said that he is a cheerleader for the country, says this. Some states i think, frankly, arent going fast enough. I mean, you have some states that virginia, they want to close down until the middle of june, and a lot of things that theyre doing i really believe you can go to parks. You can go to beaches. You keep it, you know, you keep the spread, you stay away a certain amount, and i really think the public has been incredible with what theyre thats one of the reasons were successful. Thats one of the if you call losing 80,000 or 90,000 people successful, but its one of the reasons that were not at that high end of the plain as opposed to the low end. That number has changed, mr. President. Its going up. I used to say 65,000 and now im saying 80,000 or 90,000, and it goes up and it goes up rapidly. I think i misspoke. I think i said 200,000. No one corrected me. I caught that myself. That model also predicting 200,000. 200,000. Thats right, 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month. Thats right. 200,000. So you acknowledge that the numbers are going up. The number of americans who are likely to die in the next weeks and months. And at the same time, you say you think some states arent opening up fast enough and you call your response to this deadly virus successful. Listen, i said this before and it bears repeating, okay . So i dont want anyone to get this wrong. Everybody, everybody wants the economy to reopen. Everyone does. This country is hurting. People are hurting. Millions of people are out of work. But we cannot afford to end the social distancing and stayathome orders that are theyre the only things that are working against the virus right now. Not until we have more testing and contact tracing. Without that we are just flying blind. Remember that the reason the modelers say that the projected number of dead went up is increased mobility. Meaning that more people moving around from place to place. So why is the treasury secretary out there encouraging americans to take trips around the country . This is a great time for people to explore america. A lot of people havent seen many parts of america. I wish i could get back on the road soon. Okay. So with all due respect to the treasury secretarys need to be the president s cheerleading squad, on the cheerleading squad, that is just not where we are right now. And coincidentally, maybe not the president , maybe not the president s traveling tomorrow, okay . Maybe its coincidence, maybe its not, but the president s traveling tomorrow, visiting a factory. A factory making n95 masks in phoenix. No word on whether he plans to wear a mask. I hope he reconsiders wearing one. It would set a really good example for the country. But i think wearing a face mask as i greet president s, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens, i dont know, somehow i dont see it for myself. Maybe. It would be nice. Wouldnt it be nice if we saw the. Show up in a mask . It would set a great example. We shall see. Lets bring in our White House CorrespondentKaitlan Collins and dr. Larry brilliant. Hes an epidemiologist on the chair of the Advisory Committee ending pandemics. Okay. So thank you both for joining us. Dr. Brilliant, im going to start with you, because when we look at these new major projections and how much the estimates have changed, the truth is we have no idea how Many Americans are going to die from this virus. Nice to be with you, don. This is really a hard time. Its just theres no way to sugar coat it. If we dont open up the economy, we can feel the pressure. If we do open it up, we will feel the pain. And the it isnt that the models change anything. Theyre just looking at what is already happening and articulating it for us a little bit better and a little bit smarter. We all have felt this sense of dread that we werent getting to the bottom of this disease. That it was growing rapidly. It has explosive growth potential, unlike almost any virus ive seen except for measles. Were not quite aware of how bad this can be if we dont take it seriously. Kaitlan, these projections are really shocking. And we have barely started the grand reopening the president would like to see. How is the white house responding tonight . What are they saying . Well, theyre pushing back on this document talking about these projections of what this could look like by early june. Basically saying in a statement earlier that this is not a white house document. They said that it was not presented to the Coronavirus Task force and they say it hasnt gone through that interagency process vetting. So basically theyre distancing themselves from these figures and they say the data is not reflective of any of the modelling done by the task force or data that the task force has analyzed. And this comes, as we know, the white house has been really skeptical of some of these models, including the washington model, which is also revised up tonight, doubling its death toll as well to 135,000 deaths by august. So a lot of the models seem to be going up, but the white house, we should note, there has been a consistent faction inside that has expressed doubt to the president about what these models are going to look like. As you noted, you know, these models are not always accurate. In fact, i dont think theyre ever accurate. But as dr. Sawn jay says, theyre sometimes useful on looking what could happen. The question really is who can win out making the argument on whether or not they should trust the models or whether or not they should move forward . Tonight what were hearing from sources, don, is these latest models arent going affect the white houses current plans for reopening the country. Kaitlan, has anyone asked the strategy behind not giving the coronavirus briefings anymore . Well, the briefings they believed they only need to do them when they actually have positive updates, more news updates than what you had been seeing happen, when the president was coming out on a daily basis and fielding these questions. Because, a, a lot of people viewed them as problematic for the president , which is the last time we saw him took questions at one of the actual briefings in the Briefing Room how that devolved after the dhs official gave the presentation. The other thing we should note, theyre not just scaling back the briefings, don, theyre also scaling back the Coronavirus Task force meetings. Now, we are told one is scheduled for tomorrow, but theyre not meeting every single day for hours on end as they had been doing when it was first formed early on in the administration. So theres not a strategy to move on as if this is no longer a big deal . Because you one would think that today, considering the models and the questions that reporters and the country has about these models, that they would want to give the americans some answers about them. Well, think today what you saw with the models with the first document that we obtained where we saw what the numbers that they were looking at internally, that they were predicting that these numbers of not only deaths but also the cases you noted are going to go up significantly. They were still looking at those models and they were distancing themselves from it. But then the model they based a lot of their projections on that they used at the briefings before also revised its death toll up. Its not just one model showing Something Like this, its multiple models. The question is would it be helpful if someone like a dr. Birx came out, saw how she views this data. This has been her bread and butter throughout this. We should note people are still meeting within the administration. Got it. Its not clear when she would speak publicly next. Hey, dr. Brilliant, if you could give me a quick answer. Im not going to play the sound bite. Im not sure if you saw dr. Fauci on chris cuomo tonight. Are we asking people to accept a certain number of deaths . What if those deaths become theirs or their friends or loved ones, sitting next to the couch next to or the mom you call every day on the phone. What are we willing to exchange here in order to open up the economy . There is an absolute tradeoff between how fast you open up and how many more cases and how many more deaths follow, especially how mobile we are. Chris murray when he was describing one of the major movers in his model, he said its a mover, its the motion. Its how mobile we are, and thats the same thing as opening up. Thank you both. I appreciate it. New projections with numbers of cases and deaths soaring, but with more and more states starting to reopen now, who will pay the price and how high will it be . [anthony] hey mama, whats up . [mama] im confused. Confused about what, everything ok . Yeah, i only see one price on my phone bill. That doesnt sound confusing mama. Youre on tmobile, taxes and fees are included. Oh come on, theres always extra fees not on tmobile mama. Why cant all my bills be like this . I dont know mama. Bye mama, love you. Anthony . Umph at tmobile, taxes and fees are included. And right now, when you switch your family, get 4 lines of unlimited for just 35 a line. Show me what youre made of. So we showed it our people, sourcing and distributing more fresh food than anyone. We showed it our drivers helping grocers restock their shelves. We showed it how were donating millions of meals to those in need. We showed it how we helped thousands of restaurants convert to takeout and pop up markets. And how were encouraging all americans to take out to give back. Adversity came to town. So we looked it right in the eye. And it wont be us. That blinks first. Back with the new numbers on the coronavirus pandemic are staggering. The university of washington projecting 134,000 deaths in the United States by august 4th. Nearly double its last projection. The data now reflecting the early days of states beginning to reopen. Now, i want to bring in andy slavitt. He is a former acting administrator on the center for medicare and medicaid services. Andy, appreciate you joining us. Thank you so much. So, listen, you are very fired up about these new models out tonight and the impact that they have had on the decision that got made as a result of the earlier totals. Explain. Whats up . Well, look, the as dr. Brilliant said, people who put the models together, theyre laying on a set of assumptions, theyre doing a little bit of work. Its important for them to try to get information out there, but there is a political context behind this all, and when the president can go step forward and say, hey, guess what, its not gonna be that bad and its your model, you probably should step forward and say, you know what . This isnt the message that the model intends to send. When at the time the model came out, i talked to the person who put it together, fine gentleman, and put out the six or seven assumptions that were included in his analysis, and those assumptions were things that even at the time werent proving to be true. So when we have a president who is jumping on Wishful Thinking and we have a lot of people in this country who listen to the president , and they really do, we just dont want anybody to be misled because this isnt a political calculation. This should be something we all line up behind. You know the former new jersey governor is chris christie, and he he spoke to my colleague dana bash on her daily d. C. Podcast and he talked about the consequences of keeping the economy closed. Here it is, a bit of it. Well of course everybody wants to save every life they can, but the question is towards what end ultimately . Are there ways that we can thread the middle here to allow that there are gonna be deaths, and there are gonna be deaths no matter what, and if we can do things to keep people in the mode of Wearing Masks, of wearing gloves of, you know, distancing where appropriate. Weve got to let some of these folks get back to work because if we dont, were gonna destroy the american way of life and these families and it will be years and years before we can recover. Is that where we are essentially . Saying people are going to die either way and we have to open the economy . Well, look, hes not making a bad point. I dont think there is anybody in the country that doesnt want both our way of life back and to minimize the death toll. I think we should just assume there is positive intent here. The fallacy with what hes saying is the following. I wish we were choosing between two options, a good economy and loss of life. The reality is were not. Because what will make the economy good are what . Consumers feeling comfortable spending again. Businesses feeling comfortable hiring again. People taking plane trips, buying cars, buying machinery. Thats not gonna happen until people know weve got a handle on this Public Health emergency. So what were doing instead and were following ourselves into saying we want to fix the economy. What we really want to do is get back to some of our life, not have the discipline that it takes that other countries have shown, quite frankly, that its taken to beat this virus, and as a result we get neither a better economy nor are we doing whats right for peoples health. And thats, i think, something we just need to come to grips with. Yeah. Listen, i think what many here when they hear that is is youre choosing between a life and money, right . Dont get me wrong, people have to feed their families. I mean, thats just thats basic. You got to feed your families. You got to put money on the table. No one wants to lose their home, you know what im saying, right . But who do you choose if youre sitting there with your family on the couch . Who do you choose to live, right . Which one . Who are you choosing . Are you choosing im just thinking about it in general terms. Which person do you choose here . Nana in jersey, in boca, like, which right. Do you do you understand what im saying . I do. Is that a wrong way is that the wrong way to think about it . Look, lots of things in life can be recovered, people cant. But i want to Say Something a little more hopeful. I mean, germanys figured this out by testing. Greece has figured this out by discipline. The Czech Republic has figured it out by Wearing Masks. Hong kong has figured it out through their own experience. New zealand figured it out using a warning system. This virus doesnt have to outsmart us. We are choosing not to pick a path is our problem. Right. So its not as if this is unwinnable. Its not as if we have to sit here, hang our heads and say were either going to lose people or lose the economy or both. We actually just need a coherent strategy. Its not as if the reason im fed up we dont have a coherent strategy that most of the countries in the world do. Its not as if we arent the richest country on earth and we cant help our fellow citizens and we cant say stop foreclosures, stop evicting people, you know, stop all these things. Provide food for people. We can actually do all of those things. We can get testing for everyone in this country if we actually had an administration who could could do those things, right . Who who were able to provide all those services for people, but but we dont. Do you understand what im saying . I do. And thats who we should be upset with. Were also the most innovative country in the world. Exactly. We can be kind people. I mean, we can really pull together. In our history weve done remarkable things. Right. But thats not what were choosing were choosing the wrong way to do it, and i think our administration could figure this all out if they didnt politicize it. Andy, we got to go. Thank you. I appreciate your time. Thanks, don. 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And they these things like increasing physical space for workers, getting them to use face coverings, and even just communicating proper Safety Information in multiple languages. Why arent these kinds of things already in place . Well, and also sanitizing the whole place, which needs to be done. Some companies are doing it better than others. Quite frankly, there havent been as good a set of National Standards as what we need, National Guidelines that have been enforced, and so whats happening in the process is, you know, the plants are being shut down to clean them up or theyre moving at a much slower pace. Which means far less meat is moving through the process. And that is, of course, impacting the consumer. Workers and their families are protesting outside some of these plants. Im going to put up some video now. There it is. Its from smithfield a smithfield plant in nebraska. Are these companies able to act fast enough to change the way they operate and protect their workers . Theyre gonna have to or else its going to impact the meat supply and their Business Operations and the ability of the consumers to get meat at their retail operations. Right now were seeing about 25 reduction in pork capability or ability to consumer at Grocery Stores and about a 10 in beef. And so if these Companies Want to continue to operate with the same kind of operation theyve been, theyre gonna have to deal with this workers safety problem, especially as it deals with the covid problem. And the irony is, don, on the other side of the coin, is you have the largest increase in unemployment probably in the fastest in the history of the america, so you have all these people lined up at food banks around the country needing food. So you have this anomaly between slowdown in meat packing facilities, which i think can be fixed, and you have the needs on the other side of a vast increase of poor at the same time. Dan glickman, thank you for your time. Appreciate it. 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So we showed it our people, sourcing and distributing more fresh food than anyone. We showed it our drivers helping grocers restock their shelves. We showed it how were donating millions of meals to those in need. We showed it how we helped thousands of restaurants convert to takeout and pop up markets. And how were encouraging all americans to take out to give back. Adversity came to town. So we looked it right in the eye. And it wont be us. That blinks first. China lashing out at the u. S. As both countries trade increasingly hostile accusations over the coronavirus. Chinese state media calling secretary of state mike pompeo evil after both he and the president suggested beijing mistakenly unleashed the virus on the world. I think they made a horrible mistake, and they didnt want to admit it. We wanted to go in. They didnt want us there. There is a significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in wuhan. Fareed zakaria is host of Fareed Zakaria gps. Hes here with me. But first i want to go to cnns Alex Marquardt who has got some breaking news for us on what u. S. Allies know about the origins of the coronavirus. Alex, good evening to you. How far off are the president s claims compared to what your sources are telling you . Well, don, theyre pretty much the exact opposite. There you had pompeo and the president saying that this that this virus escaped from that Wuhan Institute of virology. And that essentially puts the administration at odds with some of its closest intelligence partners. I was speaking with a western diplomatic official earlier today who has seen the intelligence, who has poured over this, and who says that the assessment that they have is that it is highly unlikely that the virus escaped from the lab and highly likely that, in fact, this was a natural occurrence, that the virus jumped from an animal to a human. So the market theory. Thats the other main theory here. And that, according to this official, is the growing consensus among the five is, which is this crucial intelligencesharing network that the u. S. Is part of, along with the united kingdom, canada, australia and new zealand. So that is the growing consensus there. It is an assessment, though, don. No one is saying there is a smoking gun. No one is saying that any of this is 100 . But that is the assessment. And short of the chinese allowing more transparency, allowing more cooperation, there is not going to be a 100 answer with certitude. The last thing i would not, its not just foreign intelligence services, its dr. Anthony fauci himself in an interview with National Geographic today said all of the evidence points to the same thing the intelligence sources are saying, the jump essentially of the virus from an animal to a human. Alex, thank you very much. Appreciate your reporting. So lets bring in fareed in now. Fareed, good evening to you. Give me your take on the tension between the u. S. And china right now over this coronavirus. Make sense of this for me and for our audience on this and alexs reporting. Well, if you think about it, don, donald trump was asked repeatedly in january and in february what he thought of the way the chinese were handling the virus, what he thought of president xi, whether he thought there was any kind of anything he held back, and he kept saying over and over again the chinese are doing a great job, president xi is doing a great job, we appreciate their transparency. So that was what he was saying. And at that point the chinese were saying this is humantohuman transmission. This is a big deal. They have locked up wuhan. They then locked up 750 Million People for a while. So it was absolutely clear what was going on. What has changed is that the Trump Administration and President Trump personally are now being attacked for the fact that they waited essentially six weeks before they did anything. So china that become the scapegoat and the place you attack. Not to say that china hasnt done bad things. China did hide and cover up what was going on. Whether at a local level or a National Level is unclear. But theres no question there was some chinese coverup. But the key point is this. By january 29th, donald trump knew everything he needed to know from the w. H. O. , from his own nsc, from peter navarro, from the cdc, everyone was saying this is a big deal. He decided not to act. So now the focus is on the chinese. And its important to understand it doesnt really matter, don, whether it came out of the lab or the market because everyone agrees it was some kind of accidental transmission. There is almost nobody saying the chinese deliberately did this. Why would they deliberately do something that would wreck their economy and kill tens of thousands of their own citizens, right . So the key issue is, why is it that the Trump Administration has suddenly decided that the focus needs to be on whether this accidentally came out of a lab in china or accidentally came out of a wet market in, you know, close by . Its because theyre trying to deflect attention. I want to make one more point, don, which is very important. This reminds me of the beginning of the iraq war. What you have right now is people in the white house and at the state department forcing the Intelligence Community, pressuring the Intelligence Community to come to a conclusion that the Intelligence Community is clearly not yet ready to come to, may never come to. Because the evidence is ambiguous and perhaps its not the right answer. Mike pompeo, donald trump are trying to pressure the Intelligence Community to say we have some kind of smoking gun with regard to china. And this is the kind of politicized intelligence that led to the mistakes of the iraq war and were watching it again. It doesnt matter how the problem started, you have a problem thats here in america. How are you going to solve it . That should be the issue, instead of blaming china and how do we put the blame on china . Ive been thinking the exact same thing that youre saying, except you articulate it a lot better than i did, fareed. Let me ask you this, though. So china is lashing out. As i said in the introduction to you, lashing out at the secretary of state, specifically calling mike pompeo evil and accusing him of spreading rumors and lies. More of what he said. Watch this. Remember, china has a history of infecting the world. And they have a history of running substandard laboratories. These are not the first times that weve had a world exposed to viruses as a result of failures in a chinese lab. Okay. So they he said they have a history of infecting the world and so on and so forth. Were going to see this back and forth between china and the United States government, meaning the Trump Administration, mike pompeo and donald trump for the near future at least. Fareed zakaria, thank you very much. Make sure you watch Fareed Zakaria gps sundays, 10 00 a. M. , 1 00 p. M. Here on cnn. The president s lashing out at his predecessors. Former president bush, former president s bush and obama despite both of them spreading a message of unity during this crisis. You ever wish you werent a motaur . Sure. Sometimes i wish i had legs like you. Yeah, like a regular person. No. Still half bike half man, just the opposite. Oh, so the legs on the bottom and motorcycle on the top . Yeah. Yeah, i could see that. For those who were born to ride, theres progressive. Yeah, i could see that. Soon, people will be walking back through your door. Soon, life will move forward. Well welcome back old colleagues, get to know new ones some things may change, but well still be here, right here, so you can work on the business of getting your business back. At paycom, our focus will always be you and well see you soon. The american president s have often called on their predecessors experience when the country faces a time of crisis, but instead of reaching out, President Trump has taken swipes at former president s bush and obama. What does it mean for the country when there is a rift in the president s club . Here to discuss, president ial historian doris kearns goodwin. She is the executive producer of the mini series washington and the author of leadership in turbulent times. Always a pleasure to have you on, doris. Good evening and welcome. So the performer president bush put out a nice video over the weekend calling for unity and then President Trump lashed out at at bush for not defending him during the impeachment. Im just wondering why why do that . Its so hard to understand, really. What you would hope in a time like this and crisis is what a president would do is reach out to his former predecessor. They are the only ones who know the anxiety and difficulty of living through tough times. Reading about jfk saying after the first few mornts he wanted to reach out after the bay of pigs to eisenhower and nixon. He knew what it was like to be president and they knew that as well. One of the things lincoln said is that no man resolved to make the most of himself can spare time on personal contention, resenment and temper. We need every waking hour on this crisis and the extent a president doesnt know everything himself and can look back. We need that as a nation so badly. Former new jersey governor christy, saying this is cnn daily d. C. Pod cast about the leadership he thinks is needed right now. Here it is. We are being faced right now in some of the states with paralyzing. We need to understand. When churchill made the decision sto fight and not give into the nazi. I bet his a approval numbers werent great. He knew for the long term survival of the british democracy, he needed to do it. Thats what we need from governors is boldness and honesty to the people. In the end, you have to tell the people are going to die. It will be awfully sad. Is the third could have been beaten by staying inside and social distancing. Thats what churchill would have rallied them to do . What we need more than anything from the governors, this is what president bush talked about. Empathy and understanding that were talking about people who are being brutally effected on both sides of this. Yes, the elderly are more affected and may die. People not working and unemployed its a brutal thing and the governors have to make the horrible decision of whats the timing of when we can reopen and how do we reopen and ensure the people have the discipline they are Wearing Masks and social distancing as well as possible. That balancing act. Its so interesting when president bush thought he was making lt decision about reopening. Had said it would be the biggest decision and hoped to god he got right. We need hope the governors get it right. We dont need protests. Liberate the states. We need to understand the dilemma and hope they balance it as well as they can. Care about Public Health and the elderly. It has to be balanced with the people hurting and the economy. Its the decision we have to have empathy and hope the governors get right. Youre also the author of a book that looks at the lincoln presidency. Look, i am greeted with a hostile press. The likes of which no president has ever seen. The closest would be that president up there. Nobody got treated worse than lincoln. I believe i am treated worse. Worse than lincoln . Its just hard to imagine the president comparing himself to lincoln. As hes done on several occasions. That i are both president. Its hard to see other comparisons and whats not being understood is that we were in the middle of a civil war with lincoln. Of course the press in the south was not treating him well. Thats different from being upset about the way reporters are asking questions at a press conference. Lincoln and almost all president s would argue of course they get mad when the press doesnt treat them the way they want to. The free press is the center of the nation. And they have to accept criticism as part of the what is the whole part of democracy. There was a moment when roosevelt was criticized for having put himself in the center in his memoir of every battle of the spanish american war. He writes the journalist back and said i regret to tell you my wife and family are delighted with your review of my book. You owe me one. I want to meet you. Use humor. Use a selfperspective. Ewe reflection. Press is as essential to you as you are to them. Pleasure having you on. Thank you. Appreciate it. Always. Thank you. Listen, i need to clear something up that i heard reported a lot this weekend. About cnn not wanting to interview tara reade. Last friday she has accused joe biden of Sexual Assault when she worked in the Senate Office in 993, cancelled an interview she agreed to do with me. Saying she wasnt comfortable doing the interview any longer after the former Vice President spoke that morning and categoryingly denied the allegation. She previously agreed to talk with me live on the show. Sunday night. Later in the weekend, we spoke again and she told me she had security concerns and she wanted to sort out. And wanted to look for any paper work from back then that could help corroborate the story. Her side of the story. She said she wants to tell her story and promised me shell rescheduled the interview. People saying cnn hasnt asked her for an interview are incorrect. I should note that shes also spoken on the record to my colleague mj lee. Stay tuned. Thank you for watching. Our coverage continues with a krn special report. The pandemic and the president next. This virus is testing all of us. And its testing the people on the front lines of this fight most of all. So abbott is getting new tests into their hands, delivering the critical results they need. And until this fight is over, we. Will. Never. Quit. Because they never quit. The following is a cnn special report. Tonight we look to the timeline for the truth. We think we have it very well under control. The very next day his administration declared a Public Health emergency. What did the president do about the coronavirus