Chris Cuomo asks the tough questions to newsmakers in Washington and around the world. Immunity in the federal investigation into trumps former Attorney Michael Cohen in exchange for providing information on hush money deals. Now, according to sources pecker told federal prosecutors what seems obvious to most of us. Trump knew all along of cohens payments to women who had alleged sexual encounters with him. Pecker also provided investigators with details about the payments that cohen made for the women. So lets get the white house reaction to this and a lot more. Counselor to the president , Kellyanne Conway, good to have you back. Welcome to washington. Hi. You literally just whisked in here as the show started. The president sends his greetings. Send him my best. I hope hes watching. And he said he always liked your mother and she liked him. Well, ive got that going for me. Dont embarrass her tonight. Ill try. She likes you too. So you follow the same advice. Let me ask you this. Lets start with the onset. I interview the president s former lawyer last night, jay goldberg. And he says i dont see criminal conduct from the president when it comes to collusion with russia, i dont see criminal conduct from the president when
and i dont get it you could say look, did he lie . Yes. He lied. Hes not perfect. But its not illegal. You could say that. His own lawyer admits he lied. No, no. Thats not is he his current lawyer . Jay goldberg. No, no. Answer for me. When is the last time i would argue when he called to ask how to handle Michael Cohen just months ago. You know who his lawyers are now, right . Yes. Rudy giuliani, jay sekulow. Youre going to have to to have that conversation i dont think that just because youre not retained currently doesnt mean youre not a good gauge of the character of your client. Let me tell you something. Yes. The president spoke on this just this morning for the whole world to see. He said she asked him did you know about the payments. He said i knew after they were made. Yeah. But lets focus on the two big stories of the week according to cnn and msnbc. Manafort and cohen. Lets focus on those. Where in the manafort trial is Russia Collusion trump i dont care. The president lied about what he knew about these women. He should not lie to the American People in their face time and again. The Washington Post does a blow by blow take through. Its the first lie theyve ever flagged in dr thr zblsh i hav i have a very simple question for you. Why is it not important for you to replay and talk about the president s own words . Why dont you show him answering that question . Because hes lying. You dont want people to see him answering the question. What are you talking about . We play him all the time. Ill play his voice saying to Michael Thocohen what are we go to do and how are we going to do it and what do you mean about financing . Play the tape. Remind everybody what he said to Michael Cohen. No, no. Play the tape. No, not that tape. Play the tape. You know what tape we should ive spoken to Allen Weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with funding did you know about the 130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels . No. No. Did you know about the payments . Later on i knew. Later on. He knew later on. He knew before. Hes lying. Wait. Is that Michael Cohen and President Trump talking about the you know what tape i want to hear . Kellyanne. Excuse me. Tell us whats on the tape of chris cuomo and Michael Cohen. Whats on the twohour tape of the two of you. Tons of stuff. Okay. Well, tell it. Ill tell you why i cant. Because theres a little difference between you and me and the shop youre working for. Integrity. The white house . How dare you . How dare me . You admit hes lying about these things. Its as plain as the nose on my face. You should admit hes lying. And you dont. Thats why people dont trust you. Thats why. Maybe your audience doesnt. And you want me to answer your question . I will. Michael cohen had a conversation with me. He asked me excuse me. He asked me not to record it. I said i wont. He said just to be careful, let me have your phone. I said here. He heene sa even said well take our phones and put it away. He then recorded me on a secondary device. How do you feel about that . I think it was dishonest. And ill tell you what, you want to know what we talked about in the conversation . Im not going to tell you. You know why . Because it was off the record and i respect that. Even though he did me wrong. Thats called integrity. What do you do when people arent watching . Im still not going to burn him even though he did something wrong. He can answer that for himself. Ill tell you what. Theres nothing on it that im worried about. I know why you guys want to leak it. Hold on a second. This isnt about me. You tried. You failed. He is on that tape no, you tried he is on there with Michael Cohen excuse me. Christopher hes lying about not knowing before are you going to talk about and you should admit it. No, you have to admit it. No, i dont. Are you kidding me . Ill tell you why. Because you say to people the president just answered the question the truth isnt the truth. He says dont believe what you see and hear. No, no, no. Hes saying and it is all destroying peoples sense of normalcy and decency hold on. You dont ask questions. You just want to ive asked you six times and you dont want to answer it. Ive asked you ten times the same question and you dont answer it truthfully once. President already answered the question. Hes lying. Thats what you think. Thats what the Washington Post says. Thats what Michael Cohen says. Thats what david pecker says. And i think its going to end up
he disappointed you . Youre disappointing me right now. It doesnt mean youre not my friend. It doesnt mean i think you lie all the time just because youre disappointed me. Youve got about ten times the words i have so far and im the the guest. Because youre not answering a simple question. Heres a very simple answer to you. When you say to me that this is why the audience doesnt trust you you know Audience Trust the white house. Because all day long on your network all they hear is how terrible we all are, that we lack integrity, that we lie. He lies. What is it you think i lie about . Tell the world. Im asking you no, no. Answer. To admit were not going to let you that he is lying about what happened on these payments. I dont think it is helpful to you to play games about something thats so petty. Do you think its a lie, true or false, do you think its a lie that i. C. E. And cbp were honored this week on monday by the president of the United States for all the great work theyre doing, that the mayor of philadelphia danced the jig or whatever the heck he was doing
after he announced that philadelphia would no longer give data to i. C. E. And turned around and the guy who had been deported came back five years later, i. C. E. Asked for a detainer for the man, philadelphia let him go and he raped a 5yearold child . None of this is fact . None of this is true . Who says its not fact . Who says its not true . How is that less relevant than you trying to get me to answer the same question 12 times . Because you keep ducking it. He lied, kellyanne. Im not ducking. He answered the question. He lied. Why are his words not important to you . Because hes lying. They are important to me. Im asking you about them because they are a Material Misrepresentation of fact for the purposes of deception. No. Thats a lie. What crime was committed . What charges were filed against donald trump this week . The bar of proper behavior by a president is not a felony. Okay . Do you think anything you just said excuse me. He didnt commit a felony. Im saying you lie, that matters. That is a crime against the American People. Its a crime of leadership. Its a crime of integrity. He said he
stop lying to them. After and he is he knew about the payments later on. And hes lying. You know what a lie is . That on july 27th you guys came out with this big report, nobodys retracting it yet. Three big by lines let me get you on the record the other way. Do you think the president s telling the truth that he never knew about the payments until after hes saying he knew them after the fact. I never knew about them. I dont care about when you knew about them. You should absolutely care about that. No. I care about him. Ill tell you why. You should absolutely care that the Campaign Manager for the winning part of the campaign think that theres nothing to be gained in meeting with russians, in talking to people in moscow instead of michigan and mecklenburg county, north carolina. You should very much care that i dont know about payments i care about excuse me. And you should be reminded that every single night cnn was featuring another woman with another story. You played the access Hollywood Tape constantly thinking that it would hurt the candidate, he would never be
elected. Cnn interfered in the election daily by shifting the scales are we a foreign inimical power with your foreign polling this is excuse me. That he could never win. People saying we didnt cover his lying and bad character enough. Thats what i get covered for. Unless youre getting 50 every time you say the word. It used to be collusion. Tonight its lying. They both matter, by the way. Both words matter. Really . We dont know if theres proof of one. Theres an investigation going on that our president disrupts every chance he gets. And lying you cover that more than the booming economy, more than the low Unemployment Rate. More than and he talks about this more thaen talks about all of those you are a worldclass journalist. You used to go to plane crash sites and cover war. I go now. I was in helsinki and saw one of the most embarrassing things ive seen in my life. We saw what you wrote about it. It was really embarrassing. Will you take that back . Was that a big lie . Wa t. Was embarrassing 37 . A story cnn published on july 27th. It was embarrassing what happened in helsinki and im
glad you didnt have to experience it the way we did. Im not ignoring anything. Im speaking to what is true. And ive got to tell youing . Booming economy this is going the way i thought it might. Consumer confidence. Those are all good indices. I talk about what matters on this show all the time. What i dont get is president was asked the same question that youre asking me and he answered it. And he lied. No. Only he knows what he believes only he knows what he knew. Only he knows what he believes . Only he knows what he experienced. But thats not true. Because you say so . Because its not a matter of perspective. Its not an eyewitness testimony. Hes not the only one who knows if hes telling the truth. Tell me where this is going. Michael cohen knows. David pecker knows. Where is the impeachment mr. Weisselberg do you think he should be impeached . Its not my call to make. But cnn and msnbc said the word 222 times yesterday for an average of 3. 5 once every 3. 5 minutes you think we should Tell The Truth to the American People . Do you think he should Tell The Truth to the American People . Yes. And i think you should too. And heres do you think he should be impeached if hes been shown to be lying to the American People consistently about criminal conduct . Going back to north korea again because youre trying to is he going there before or after he goes to south africa to help out those white farmers . Chris, be serious. That he mistakenly told people are being hunted down and killed do you think thats a smart thing . You dont want to talk about that . The south africa tweeted last night. I want to talk about what matters to americans because i actually talk to them every day. Im not perched in some anchors lair, i mean chair, telling everybody, pontificating about whats important to them. I read the mail that comes to the white house, good bad and ugly. I go out to talk to people. And they say we dont care if the president lies to us and criminal conduct . What they care about is that the president is doing everything he said he would do. Hes keeping his promises. Did he promise to tell them the truth . We were told there was going to be global recession and including on this network. We were told that everything, the economy would never be the same, it would be a huge
disaster, and it went in the opposite direction. Does that mean its okay for him to lie about criminal conduct . Is that all youre i want you to own it. I want you to own it the way his former lawyer did. You want me to Say Something i want you to own the truth. Thats what i want you to do. That he has denied. I worked next to him every single day. You know what i see . I see somebody whos doing his best for this country and the results show it and you know it. What is the message of his opposition . Hold on. I dont know it. You dont know it . I dont. You know why . Because you and i are wealthy. Because our kids youre cuesing one simple metric of success in leadership. If youre one of the 6 million americans who received a bonus or a raise, if youre quho did better in that tax cut, People Like Us or people that voted for trump in the middle class . 83 cents of every dollar went to People Like Us. You want to play facts i can. I study them all the time. Please. Youre not letting a woman talk somebody comes in here to represent the president youre not letting me you get the same treatment from me. Youre not letting me speak. No. But you are dissembling and distracting. Youre not letting me speak. 83 cents of every dollar went to the top. Okay . The black Unemployment Rate went down with the main Unemployment Rate but relative to white it is still just as bad. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why doesnt it thats the right measure. Why doesnt it matter to you that it does matter. Excuse me. Why doesnt it matter to the 6. 6 million available jobs right now for americans who wanted it . The president is working on Prison Reform. Hes breaking the back of the Opioid Crisis. Hes not breaking the back of the Opioid Crisis. Its terrible. We both know it is. Its spreading. You guys want to address it and i respect that. I cant let you say things that arent true. Thats whatnot this shows about. Thats fox. You go to fox for that. Okay. Im so glad you mentioned fox because none of you are able to get through most of your shows without mentioning them. What are you talking about . I almost never mention them to be so jealous of fox newss ratings. Im jealous of the opportunities they get to test power. They just dont take them. Thats what im jealous about. I answered every question youre asking me. Thats where you got the answers. Im not in the business of attacking people in the business. You do no, you didnt let me talk about the things that matter. Let me tell you. If youre going to argue about the economy youve got to be straight about it. You want to talk about africanamericans in the economy be straight about it. The gap between rich and poor, the gap between Black And White is as bad as its been and it should be addressed. You dont get credit for what you dont do. How do you think poverty went in the last eight years, do you think it went up or down . The nuv people in poverty. I know. Up. By over 700,000. What is the Unemployment Rate among africanamericans and hispanics, veterans, people with just a High School Degree or less . Women. Way down. Why isnt that good . It was good. It was good when it was happening under obama too. Now its good its happening under trump. He raised taxes i just did a whole comparative analysis of it. How Many Americans dont have health care 8 1 2 years after obamacare . Oh, i know. And what did you do it to try to wreck it . Getting rid of the individual mandate. Lets see whats happening with Peoples Insurance right now. Saying were not breaking the back of the Opioid Crisis because and the house legislation hr6, i know will never get a platform otherwise on cnn because its too important you come on tv to talk about opioids wait a anyone it passed wait a minute. Who brought you on tv to talk about opioids . What is it about articulate women on tv that bother you as guests . Hey, christopher you dont have to play cheap with me. 2015 to 16 the number of Overdose Deaths in this country increased by 22 . From 16 to 17 it increased by 10 . Were trying to slow the growth. Slowing the growth is not shutting it down. I think what youre trying to do is g. I think the president saying what he said the other day you have to look at what china is doing and how theyre importing theyre synthetic opioids. Fentanyl. If your audience Doesnt Know What of course they know what it is. We talk about this on a regular basis. I had did a documentary about it. I huh on to talk about it what youre saying is disingenuous. And its another attempt to make people dislike the media and
thats unamerican. Impeachment. What do you think is mentioned more on cnn . 29,000 people died last year in this country because 30,000 of fentanyl. Zero died because of impeachment. Zero died because of collusion. Thats not the bar of president ial behavior. Heres what youre saying. If the economys good, so if the economys good, then you can lie whenever you want, you can divide the country any way you want. You can play the racist sympathies whenever you want but its okay because the stock markets up. Is that your argument . I think the president lied about something that refers to criminal conduct thank you for telling everybody im not a liar. Hes telling everybody right now why did you have her on . And i didnt call you a liar. I said the president lied about something. You refuse to acknowledge it. President that makes you answer that question. Im telling you complicit in the lying. Oh, cut it out. Cut the crap. Sure, it does. If you wont own something you know it a lie complicit in the lie. What are the charges against the president . You dont need to have charges to be a liar. And you know that. Christopher, where are the charges against the president . Show me. There are none. And by law there probably cant be any. So thats a false standard. He was just named as a coconspirator with Michael Cohen. Whhe wasnt named as a coconspirator. Who was the federal person running for office . Was it Somebody Else . Was it someone else . Listen to me. Has the president been able to respond to that . 100 million times. Okay. And he did on tape yesterday. Or today. And hes lying. Do you understand . Thats your opinion. The Washington Post covered it all. Michael cohen says it. David pecker says it. The government says it. All of you were against him. You said he could never win that doesnt make it okay to lie. Do you think 234ig Yanything discussed today or anything in the manafort or cohen, anything we discussed tonight would have made Hillary Go To wisconsin . I dont care about that. That is a silly distraction. Very trumpy. No, no, no. Excuse me. To Quote Influencing an election. How exactly . What do i care about any of that . Hes the president of the United States. No, no. Youve got to live with it. He lied about criminal conduct. Thats why im talking about it. He had lost i wouldnt care about his personal life. Youre talking about 2016. No, im not talking about 2016. Influencing you are. Im talking about him lying about these payments again and again to the American People. Manafort stuff was 2006. And if he wants to pardon manafort thats his power. We hear the talk about it. Rudy says if the president says he didnt want any pardons until this is all over. Maybe thats true. Maybe that isnt. Its up to him. Its his pardon power. Right. So he wants to pardon manafort he can. Thats his right. Thats his role. Hes probably discussed it with his lawyers. But thats just do you think he should pardon Paul Manafort . I think if you invite a white house guest on, the counselor to the president who is with the president every day, talks to him every day, was in three meetings with him just today, you olt to just have basic
curiosity if not decency and integrity to ask me what it is that we do there, what it is were working on. Cnn has had walltowall Coverage Today about sessions. Youre not covering the meeting you dont think it matters that he keeps disrespecting his Attorney General . Undermining confidence in him by the American People in his own department . No. This is very simple. The president is very clear on this through his tweets, through his statements, through his interview with fox news. Highly rated fox news, christopher. He said to them that since you had to go there, he said that hes upset, hes frustrated, rightly so then get rid of him. No, no. Many of us are frustrated that weve never had an investigation of the other side. Wheres the investigation of comey and you know, some people investigate things on the basis of merit. So youve got your own Attorney General in there who loves donald trump even though he just defecates all over the guy on a regular basis. Whoa. Well, he does. Ive never seen anybody treat somebody the way hes treating his Attorney General. And he should just get rid of him. He should give him the dignity of asking him to leave
very lengthy meeting about attacking him all the time. Something that will impact all americans. No americans are impacted by your nonsense collusion, your fantasies about impeachment sew wants Jeff Sessions to help advance an agenda when he tells everybody he doesnt respect him all the time . Arent you the least bit interested i think it speaks to Jeff Sessions having a hell of a lot of sense of duty to the American People. I would at least expect you as somebody who loves his country, and i know you do, to say you know what, kellyanne, here are the five things donald trump has done as president that i can get behind that im proud oftion. Can you name them . My job you cant. Because thats not my job. Your job is not to love this country and to say you love the country by making sure that the integrity of its leadership and their ability to look the people of this country in the face and Tell The Truth is intact. Raises and bonuses. The Corporate Tax rate going from 35 to 21 thats unleashed does the truth matter . Yes or no . Thats the truth. Does the truth matter . Truth always matters. Good. Is he telling the truth about these payments . Did you ever hear about the whole truth and nothing but the truth . You decide selectively what youre going to cover. Does he Tell The Truth about these payments . There was walltowall coverage about about a missing woman in iowa until she was found, and god rest her soul. God rest her soul . Youre not letting her soul rest. Youre waving her like a flag i would never. Youre hijacking her grief. How dare you . If youre not with us about immigrants, then you dont care about Mollie Tibbetts. How dare you and how dare the president do that . Just like kate steinle. So if you dont want to abuse immigrants the way the president does, if you dont want to assume theyre all murderers the way the president wants people to believe, then you dont care about Kate Stainlee and Mollie Tibbetts. You dont care about the ones that have been murdered to say this is how it happened. Oh, but 17,000 murders in this country in 2016. How many times has he stood up and said this is an atrocity
what happened . Only when the people who kill them are someone he wants to target. Thats not true. Come on. That happened to the democrats. Cnn covered 55 minutes of a live meeting in the cabinet room in late january where he was flanked by democrats and republicans from the house and the senate to talk about daca, the dreamers. Where did they go . Why arent they there . Why they brought him a deal. Schumer told him and he denied it. Theres the truth. Why when they talk about immigration do they only think of the dreamers . Here we go. A nice usthem thing. Are we back to the farmers in south africa . The real racism probably. Do you think its a good idea to have immigrants its not my job to make policy decisions. It is my job to test them. Ill tell you what i think is wrong. Saying you that care about Mollie Tibbetts and calling her permanently separated from her family. Is the way you describe someone when theyre murdered . I said god rest her soul and i didnt say her name. He said she was permanently separated from her family. Is that the time to play ugly politics because hes upset about what happened with him putting kids in cages . Permanently separated . Why cant you say what happened . We do say. We did two segments on it yesterday. Of course there are cracks in the system. Of course her murder but for that man being here illegally wouldnt have happened. Kates law. Do you think the grief of lara i think that you should do whatever you can to stop illegal immigration but you dont have to treat the immigrants like crap to do that. No. You dont have to reduce yourself he said he would to be less human and less american to do it. And then he didnt. They brought him a deal and he said no. He said i want the whole wall. They gave him money for the wall. He said i want more wall. It was a fugaze promise. Just like the kids separation. He was never going to do anything about it. You know that your party i have no party. Started this year off shutting down the government. Right after they i have no party. What i have is a purpose. And the purpose is to try to
test power and get them to Tell The Truth to the American People. Dont you care at all that the president is working on Prison Reform lets see what he does. So that people who paid their debt to Society Reare eligible lets see what he does. I think thats great. The money that weve gotten, historic you know whats also great . Not calling them sons of bitches. Thats also great. Who . People of color. Oh, stop it, christopher. Who was he talking about . Who was he talking about . You dont care that hes trying to help people . How is he helping people by saying that . Is that about the National Anthem . Is that about him saying you stand for the flag yeah. And then called them that and said get the hell out of the country. Is that how you support Black Americans . Do you do this when they play the National Anthem or dont you . I do. Why . Because its my damn choice. Because im an american and ill exercise my freedom the way i want to. It doesnt hurt anybody else. And thats what theyre doing too. Everybody in the stands is doing that. Ive been there. God bless them. And that is their right. And its your right not to. Its his right as the president and last time i checked there are few things that are as p of a signature right in america as i understood it than to protest injustice in a nonviolent do you think peace is better than war . 100 . But he should stop saying hes going to make war if people dont do what he wants. Hes said he wants to bring peace where he can. Did he . Thats why he went to helsinki. Thats yes went to singapore. He tore up the Iran Nuclear Deal which just shoveled over piles of cash and turned over too much to them. Thats why just this week Benjamin Netanyahu said that this is the best friend israels ever had. This is why a very Democratic Council member i believe or state Assembly Member from queens said thank you to the president for deporting this nazi cover it. Good. Say kellyanne, disagree with the president its not about disagreeing with the president or agreeing with the president. Its about holding him tocchet for what he says and what he does. Hold him up when he does things like his i. C. E. Deport a
95yearold nazi who was responsible when you refuse to Tell The Truth to the American People you surrender the right to get applause. Why do other president s say theyre going to do that but not do that . Why did other president s say im going to move the embassy to jerusalem theres plenty going on in the country and in the world that needs attention but i will tell you this now and i make it to you as a promise. Sflrt as y as you know, nobody works harder than we do to do this job. Who . You . In this place, on my team in this shop on cnn. We work very hard to tell people what is true nobody outworks us every day. Im telling you this. All ive wanted to tell you is you need to own the truth you sound like a i havent been called christopher since i was in kindergarten. You say it in a condescending fashion. I never say anything to you about it. We know what it is. Thats your style. Thats fine. Ive got to go now. You call us all ive given you more time than anybody else would. Except me. You gave yourself a lot of time. You talked pretty much i dont think thats true. Ill give you a word count at the end. The guest should have many more words. You know that. No, i dont. I think the job is to test power and if you dont answer the question youre going to get checked. Youre power. I am power. But you dont ask what were working on. Im asking you about things that matter, not just what you want to talk about. Hes lying to the American People about criminal conduct. Okay. You want to talk about the truth . He should have disclosed lies that he didnt. He should have told the truth about what happened. He shouldnt have been part of a conspiracy to get around the election laws. Those are all things he could own and still not have any criminal exposure. Do you respect me in the job im trying to do on behalf of the country . Yes. Do you think i need to be in the white house . No. Why do you think im there . Because i think you think youre doing the right thing. And i am. I love this country and im one small molecule in the government thats trying to do well. Do you respect our cab snet Do You RespectVice President . Do you respect the cabinet . I respect what i hear and see. The accountability act. V. A. Choice that allows them and when you have his country
club buddies making decisions for the v. A. Who havent been vetted, who havent been asked whether or not they are qualified to do it thats not true. It is true. Secretary wilkie yesterday he was confirmed by the senate 869. And you have these guys from maralago who are helping on the side that should have never been done that way. Youre not telling the veterans that he gave them disposition of their g. I. Bill benefits that part matters look, ive got to go it does matter. 24 7 hotline at the va. Thats okay. The next time let the guest speak and i wont i will always give you the opportunity to come on and talk about what matters the whole truth also includes all the good economic news. No, thats not how truth works. Truth is just what you think it is no. Its what you try to make people believe it is. The truth is hows the economy doing, did he lie about those payments, separate but equal. Thank you for coming on. God bless you. Christophers endearing. Its not a scolding. Mm. Stay. Dont leave yet. Weve got to wait for the commercial. Weve got to take a quick break. When we come back, well debate what everything that happened
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can help you explore cost support options. Remission can start with stelara®. It has been a big week. No question about it. The real question is what does it mean . Lets put it to a great debate. Weve got two great people for you tonight. Jason miller and paul begala. I think this is your first night on the show, no . It is. Congratulations, by the way. Welcome to prime time. Jason, good to have you back. Look, lets just distill something that is actually useful from the back and forth about truth. The president now demonstrably, we know, was not telling the American People the truth about these payments and what he knew and when he knew it. Im not saying that makes him a criminal. Im not saying that exposes him to legal jeopardy. Im saying its about the truth. Doesnt that matter, jason . Absent whether or not theres anything criminal. I know he cant be charged. I know what the doj guidance is. But telling the truth matters also, doesnt it . Well, i do think that the white house needs a better
answer on the president s side of the story, and i think that as this Process Moves along i think theyre going to have to get to. I would caution you on one point, chris. That so far weve only heard the one side of the story and thats from Michael Cohen. No, the president has told us what he thinks many times. The Washington Post did this whole very, very detailed march but chris, were talking specific to these socalled allegations that are against the president that Michael Cohen has made. Theyre coming from Michael Cohen, whos now a selfadmitted eighttime felon. And david pecker. And the u. S. Government. Someone who didnt pay his taxes for five years. Whos now making these allegations against the president. Or we assume its the president. I know you havent gone bad on Michael Cohen, right . You used to say he was a man of high integrity, you that trust him, that you like him, he was good for the president. That didnt just change because hes on the other side, did it . Ive always said there are issues with Michael Cohen. Zbluf not always said that. But continue. There are some issues with Michael Cohen. But i want to be very clear that obviously these are some serious charges and the white house are going to need to tighten up
their answer on this. Tighten up their answer, give a better answer . When our kids are lying to us, do we say give a better answer . We say Tell The Truth, right . You dont even have legal exposure. Youre the president of the United States. They cant charge you if they wanted to. Tell the truth. Paul. He cant. Why . First off, hes incapable of it. Hes a pathological liar. But in this case hes a liar of necessity. Because the truth is not his friend. The truth is we know hes a liar. Its proven by his own words on tape, as you showed kellyanne when she finally let you ask a question. And also, he does have real legal jeopardy. In the cohen plea he accuses the president of the United States of cooperating to Campaign Finance laws. As a lawyer you know thats a fiveyear statute of limitations. The act occurred in 2016. He can be charged with that after hes president she be defeated in 2020. Lets flip this for a second. He has real legal jeopardy. Thats why hes not telling the truth. Lets see how many people i
can get angry at me in one night. I read the information what they call the Charging Document when there are no charges because there was a plea deal. Im not impressed by these Campaign Finance violation charges. He pled guilty. I get it. But they never proved it. And theyre cutting it very fine with what they say he did and i dont know if this was some grave Campaign Conspiracy going on. I think they were lying about it, think think they were being sneaky about it but i dont know that theres criminal exposure for the president especially with all the doj guidance about when you can move on a president. Theyd have to impeach him first. I dont know that this is a high crime or misdemeanor for the purpose of that. Of course its up to all the politicians. Its just a political situation. Im trying to make a different value judgment. The reason im pushing on kellyanne about this, i knew she wasnt going to answer me but i think its important for people to see the exercise because the truth is the truth, jason. Its not about a better answer. Its not about working on tightening it up. Hold on. But you have one persons allegation. And david pecker. And what the government was able to deduce. But again, we dont know exactly what david pecker is saying. Right now we know what Michael Cohen is saying. We dont know exactly what david pecker is saying. We know from the president s voice on the tape that he knew about the payments before them being made. We have someone in Michael Cohen who has very little credibility. The tape has 100 credibility. But it was cut off and we dont know all the details that were surrounding it. Chris, you cannot heres the deal. You cannot go and say now that Michael Cohen has absolute complete credibility. Im not saying that at all. So were only hearing from Michael Cohen, going up there and making these allegations against the president and david pecker. And there are other evidence. So what exactly and the changing stories from the president. We dont know exactly what david pecker said. All we know right now is Michael Cohen lets Say David Pecker were to come on this show tomorrow and say you know, what im better than all of this, they gave me immunity because i deserved it. Trump knew beforee knew during, he knew after. He wanted us to do this, he didnt want to embarrass his
wife and his family. He was worried about it on the campaign on the heels of the access Hollywood Tape, so i did him a favor i thought it was going to get paid back, by the way im not happy about it. What would you say then . Chris, you want to put me in a hypothetical i think its very likely it will happen. All we have is someone with very little credibility making these allegations and you even said it in the first place that these charges we have more than just we have more than just cohen. With you we dont know what theyre saying. Where does this go . I think you made good point. The president has a defense which is this is not obstruction of justice, its obstruction of wife. Now, he lies about the affair. He says there was no affair. I think hes lying. But he could have a plausible defense with a lot of people by saying i didnt want my wife to know that i had failed her. Thats why i paid fine with all of it. Fine with him saying i lied because its none of your business, because i would have taken care of it anyway, its not a crime, i lied, i shouldnt have lied, im sorry, lets move on. Mr. Cohen you get an applause from me for that. Mr. Cohens lawyer lanny davis, my former colleague in the Clinton White house, is
hinting that cohen can place trump in knowledge of the hack of the Democratic Party and knowledge about hes going to have to do one of two things. Hes going to allow them to show what he knows. Right . Which hes going to have to have proof. Or hes going to have to corroborate things for them in a way that they have two, three, four layers of truth up against but its not just the payment to Stormy Daniels, which is problematic but i think youre right, reasonable people could argue that. Its the trump tower meeting, which was collusion with the russians, which he may or may not have known about. Strong Circumstantial Evidence that he did with this call from don jr. To a blocked number. Mr. Trump has a blocked number. Theres that. Theres this question of whether he actually knew about the hacking of the Democratic Party and the release of the emails. Hinted at by Michael Cohens attorney. Theres the question of the trump foundation, which the state of new york is going after him on and now subpoenaed mr. Cohen about. The walls are closing in on multiple fronts. This is why kellyanne
kellyannes really gifted. I know her from campaign days. The reason shes freaking out is this white house is in crisis and the walls are closing in and kellyan kellyannes isnt that right and she knows it. Give me a last button, please. You are a masterful storyteller. None of this has anything to do with Michael Cohen. Michael cohen does not have a cooperation agreement. We know what Michael Cohen has gone and pled to. The fact of the matter is the reason why lanny davis is on tv begging for the mueller folks to Pay Attention to him is because they dont want anything to do with him. Hes a toxic witness. He does not have a cooperation agreement. He can go and rattle off you can go to weve got to leave it there. Allegations against the president in the fact of the matter is that has nothing to do weve got to leave it there. We note process is going to play out. It seems Like Congress will act to stop anything the president tries to do to frustrate those efforts. He seems to be suggesting he wont do anything, so it will play out, then we will know. And heres my hope for common ground. If two guys as different as you can both decide to wear ugly pink ties on the same night, there is a chance that we can agree on things these are beautiful pink ties. Thats why i wore black as
often as possible. I dont want to make that mistake. Jason miller and paul begala, thank you for the decent disagreement. Appreciate it. The president picks a fight with his Attorney General. You heard me talking about that with kellyanne. He watches two members of his inner circle get convicted. He mulls his own impeachment. And my next guest has had a Front Row Seat to all of it. Theres the three of them. Where do they think we are . Where do they think this goes . And how is their Heart Strength . Next. Let your perfect drive come together during the final days of the Lincoln Summer Invitation event get 0 apr on select 2018 lincoln models plus One Thousand Dollars bonus cash. Mom okay we need to get all your School Supplies today. School. Grade. Done. Done. Hit the Snooze Button and get low prices on School Supplies all summer long. Like these for only 2 or less at office depot officemax. Like these for only 2 or less im a small business, but i have. Big dreams. And big plans. So how do i make the efforts of 8 employees. Feel like 50 . How can i share new plans virtually . How can i download an efile . Virtual tours . Zipfile . Really big files . In seconds, not minutes. Just like that. Like everything. The answer is simple. Ill do what ive always done. Dream more, dream faster, and above all. Now, ill dream gig. Now more businesses, in more places, can afford to dream gig. Comcast, building americas largest gigspeed network. Everybodys so busy when they cover the white house that it was just easier for me to
come down here and get a group of them together so we can talk about that because these are familiar faces to you at home. How do they think were doing . Where do they think this is all headed . Joining me now is francesca chambers, Kaitlan Collins and brian karen. Sorry to give you my back filip good to see you. Good to see you. Listen, you had a demonstration of why i cant do your job. Id be kicked out in two minutes. Id make brian look polite. But in terms of your sense, frances francesca, ill start with you. The State Of Play between the free press and the presidency, where are we . Were having White House Press briefings now about once a week and i think thats pretty telling, that as this crisis has moved down we didnt see the White House Press secretary out there. We had Kellyanne Conway tonight but we havent seen senior advisers to the president on television to help manage this crisis. I think thats number one. But number two, and i pressed on this yesterday in the White House Press briefing with this Paul Manafort and a potential pardon, they are not ruling it
out explicitly. And even rudy giuliani, the president s attorney, has said dont do it right now while the special counsel investigation is still going on. I also think you cover the president. You dont always say the good things. I think this has to do with the president creating a lot of the problems for himself. Key point, Jeff Sessions, Kellyanne Conway was saying more people should have covered the Prison Reform meeting that the president had with jared kushner, Jeff Sessions, and others at the white house. But it its the president s comment that hes going after Jeff Sessions, that hes easy on democrats and that he only picked him because he was a loyal supporter during the campaign, thats why were raising questions whether or not the president is going to fire Jeff Sessions, because hes making it pretty clear he wants to fire Jeff Sessions. Thats why no one is talking about the Prison Reform meeting, which we would love to talk about because thats actually a pretty big issue, and the department of justice and Jeff Sessions really disagree with
jared kushner and others in the white house. We follow power. Thats not a criticism. If he talked about it more, we would too. Theyre in a bunker mentality. We have a weekly daily press briefing. You saw with Kellyanne Conway what we face daily in the white house. She says we dont want to cover anything. Then make yourself available to answer questions about those things. You set up the problems, as you say, caitlin, we have to deal with the answers, then you come after us. Instead of answering questions, kellyanne tried to flip it and make you answer her questions. Were not there for that. She says we dont hold him up, we put him down. Were not there for that. Were there to figure out whats going on. Its impossible to do that when youre dealing with an administration, chris, that on any given day, wont return a phone call, will not return an email, will not show up in the press room and then get angry
when you show up to ask them what theyre doing. I gave her an opportunity tonight, that i ate up all your time. Do you think from this point Going Forward things get better or worse in terms of the dynamic in this country between the press and power . I think thats up to the white house. And i did want to make a point, as you were saying, by the way, caitlin, on Prison Reform, thats not a meeting that was open to us today. Thats not go we could have attended. Were just covering what hes tweeting about because thats what hes talking about. Right. Better or worse. I actually think its a small group of people that have a strong dislike for the media. I think a lot of this country realizes that the media is important. Im from alabama. When i go home, i think a lot of people are thankful for what we do. I think a lot of people are grateful for what the media does, and that were not there to criticize the president or make him look bad. Were there to say what the
taxpayer funded people in the white house are doing so people know how its affecting their lives. Appearance or reality . If you want to deal with reality, ill take you to tuesday night, charleston, west virginia, at a rally. Every time he says cnn, msnbc, nbc, he screams fake news and everybody cheers. Then individually they come over and want to talk to you and ask you questions. Where do i think its going better or worse . This will sound awful weird, chris, but President Trump has made our job, as highlighted our jobs, has reinvigorated the press corps. I think we were asleep for many years but i think were Getting Better at doing our job. It starting to remind me of the press room when i first went there in 85 and 86 and watched helen thomas bang on the door and say, you have to come out and talk to us. Now you have younger reporters
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problematic but i think trump is sending another ugly message. The proof, white nationalists are cheering. Former kkk leader david duke gave big thanks to trump. Richard spencer said, getting his base to seriously discuss white dispossessions. Dont refer to african and Central American nations as s hole countries. Dont call american black athletes sons of bitches and unamerican for being uninherently american. Theyre our sons and brothers and countrymen. Dont rip Away Immigrant Kids and put them in cages