Grip on hong kong and threatens america over its relations with taiwan. What is behind beijings bold new moves . I will talk to tom friedman and zanny minton beddoes. Then 2. 4 million more americans filed for unemployment last week, bringing the total to almost 40 million unemployed in just nine weeks. But markets continue to climb. Former trump economic adviser, gary cohn, joins me to explain the trump covid economy. Also my latest special is about beijings troubling response to covid19. Chinas deadly secret, it premieres tonight at 9 00 p. M. Eastern and pacific. I will bring you a preview. A battle that began in china becomes a world war. Holy [ bleep ] this is going pandemic. But first heres my take. As polls continue to show a steady lead for joe biden, President Trump seems to be getting increasingly desperate. Hes now committed himself to an Election Strategy that is centered on blaming china and its leader, xi jinping. Throughout january and february, youll remember, trump showered praise on xi, repeatingly emphasizing the close american cooperation on covid19 and he praised beijing for its transparen transparency. As late as march 27th trump tweeted we are working closely together. Much respect. That was before it became clear that he had mishandled the outbreak in america and before his Approval Ratings began to drop. No wonder then that he has returned to a familiar pattern, blaming foreigners. If the 2016 campaign centered around blaming mexico, the 2020 campaign will clearly focus on scapegoating china. Trumps targets are already insisting china must pay for the damage china ha dos done. Let me be clear. China engaged in a coverup of the initial outbreak in wuhan. Local officials silenced whistleblowers. The entire Chinese Communist party system was terrified this bad news would slow growth or spook markets or revealed it mishandled a Public Health emergency. They did the same and more during the sars outbreak of 2003. But they also did do some things right. They sequenced the entire genome of the coronavirus and released it to the world on january 12th, much faster than what happened with sars. They also reized erealized the censorship was exacerbating the crisis, so on january 21st the central and Public AffairsCommission Posted a statement. Whoever deliberately delays or conceals reporting for the sake of their own interests will be forever nailed to historys pillar of shape. The post was later removed probably because it revealed that people had been delaying and concealing reports. In any event, by the end of january, the World Health Organization had announced a Global Health emergency and several places moved quickly to combat it. The United States was not one of them. Had trump done so, america would be in a very different situation today. Taiwan, which gets millions of travelers from Mainland China each year did not close its borders to china until after the u. S. , yet it took smart targeted steps early to limit the spread and as of saturday it has had seven deaths from covid19, adjusted for population, that would be under 100 deaths in america. The hong kong has had four deaths. Compare that to over 16,000 confirmed deaths in new york city. Now the real puzzle is not that trump is engaging in china bashing, but that the democrats are joining in. Theyre falling into a familiar trap. Republicans take a legitimate challenge to the United States, and pump it up into a mortal danger massively exaggerating the threat and accusing the democrats of appeasement or even of taking part in a conspiracy with the enemy. Beijing biden. And the democrats instead of standing their ground get scared and join in the scaremongering. In response to that ad bashing biden and china, biden released his own china bashing ad which competed with trumps in its racially charged tone. Rather than explaining policy towards china will require confrontation and cooperation, the Biden Campaign conceded the argument to trump. These are not just Election Year antics. These tactics have lasting consequences. Democrats supported coups and covert operations around the world in 1950s and 1960s for fear they would be labeled soft on the soviet union. They stumbled into vietnam in large measure because Lyndon Johnson did not want to face republican accusations that he lost a country to communism. The most recent generation of democrats went along with the iraq war largely because they did not want to be seen as weak in the war on terror. In 2002 as republicans began beating the drums for war with iraq, joe biden joined them saying we have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world. For trump, the attacks make sense. He and his followers want to cripple international institutions. They want an end to Global Cooperation on issues like Climate Change. They understand that a cold war with china would destroy globalization and the open rulesbased international order. But democrats believe in this world, they see it as the fulfillment of a vision conceived by Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt that has provided unprecedented peace and prosperity for the world over the last 70 years. So why are they joining in its destruction . For more go to cnn. Com fareed and weread my Washington Post column this week. And lets get started. On monday, President Trump tweeted out a letter he had sent to the head of the w. H. O. It concluded with it is my duty to inform you if the World Health Organization does not commit to major substantive improvements within the next 30 days, i will make my temporary freeze of United States funding to the w. H. O. Permanent and reconsider our membership in the organization. Strong words from the organizations biggest funder. I want to bring in a top official at the w. H. O. , stewart simonson, he is the assistant director general. He runs the Organizations Office at u. N. Headquarters in new york city. Mr. Simonson, first tell us where are we in this pandemic . Well, thank you so much for inviting me. I appreciate the opportunity. Were on the beginning end of this pandemic. And we have got some way to go. I fear the worst is yet to come. Today 5 million cases, 331,000 deaths, and cases on all of the continents on the globe. In 216 countries and territories. So it is truly a global pandemic. Why do you say were at the front end . What are you expecting . Well, i think as the virus moves around the globe and gets into places like city solet, in bangladesh where Traditional Health measures are not readily applicable, social distancing and so forth, i think there is a very real chance of a catastrophe. Let me ask you about some of the facts on the ground and some of the charges against the w. H. O. That basically you had information coming out of china by really december 31st. There were doctors talking about it in china, the hubei central hospital. Theres information that came to you from taiwan, and that you did not act fast enough or you sat on it. In one case i think the implication is that you were inattentive, and the second case was because it came from taiwan you discounted it because you didnt want to annoy china. Well, first off, both assertions are wrong on their face. Taiwan on december 31st sent us an inquiry through the event information system, which is part of the International Health regulation infrastructure for reporting disease outbreaks. Taiwan has access to this secure system. They sent us a query. They said that news reports were stating there was an atippic pneumonia in taiwan and that was it from taiwan. These are based on news reports. In terms of sitting on information, theres no conceivable reason w. H. O. Would sit on information. No interest of ours is served by doing so. Our interest is in sounding the alarm when the evidence is indicating the alarm should be sounded. Thats what dr. Tedros did. On january 14th you reaffirmed something china said, which is that the coronavirus was not spread from human to human. Why did you do that . We now know that is completely fals false. That was in a tweet, i believe. Yeah. And then later on that day, dr. Maria vankirkoff indicated in the press briefing that based on our experience with mers and sars that there was every possibility that it could spread human to human. We were basing in the morning that tweet on the information we received from china because we had not received any information to the contrary at that point. Maria was basing her statement on her experience with coronavirus. Do you think knowing what you know now that china was transparent, gave you the right information or was there a coverup . I wouldnt prejudge the independent review that dr. T tedros and the assembly indicated would occur. As you know, i just asked you a number of the questions that President Trump asked dr. Tedros in his letter. Let me ask you, mr. Simonson, the argue is the incentive is you dont want to annoy china. You dont want to anger china. You dont want to push back because theyre a big funder, theyve been very nice to the w. H. O. Under tedros, and that tedros was their candidate. Thats the argument. Yeah. Well, in my experience as the secretary, i have never seen any favoritism shown towards really any particular member state. It is a one vote one state institution. And it is true that that china contributes to the organization. The mostly assessed contributions, but others do as well. What will the w. H. O. Look like if the United States freezes funding or even leaves the organization . For you as an american who works at the w. H. O. , how does that make you feel . I could never bring myself to think about the United States leaving w. H. O. W. H. O. And the United States have been connected since the very beginning. W. H. O. Was founded by the United States and other member states. W. H. O. Has benefited from enormous generosity from the people of the United States. And almost incalculatible Technical Support from people of the United States. The United States since at least 1902 has been the leader in global Public Health. I cannot imagine an environment where the United States would not be in w. H. O. And contributing to w. H. O. As it does today. Let me put it this way, individually we are no match for natu nature. Together we are. And that was shown really Proof Positive in 1980 when smallpox was declared eradicated. It could not have been done without the support of the United States and all member states. And if we stick together we will take care of covid. We will put covid back to where it belongs. Thank you, mr. Simonson. Thank you. Thanks for having me. One programming note. Tonight on cnn at 9 00 p. M. Eastern and pacific, please tune in to my latest special. Its called chinas deadly secret. It takes you inside the chaos and perhaps the coverup in china as it became ground zero for covid19 in december. Next on gps, now china is lashing out at the american secretary of state, and its tightening its grip on hong kong. Why such assertive moves by beijing . Why now . Well be back in a moment. 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Wen on the commencement of our second term as president. But the United States does not recognize taiwan as a country out of deference to beijing. The Chinese Foreign ministry threatened countermeasures. How much worse can the relationship between the worlds two top powers get . Joining me now is tom friedman and zanny minton beddoes. Tom is an oped columnist for the New York Times and the author of thank you for being late and zanny is editor and chief of the economist. Tom, with china and hong kong, for example, for many months china watchers were telling me they were struck by how patient the Chinese Government had been. They were not intervening or overruling the hong kong authorities. Now theyre cracking down. It feels like trump was praising xi when he wanted the trade deal, now the gloves have come out as hes campaigning. What do you make of this sort of downward spiral and how dangerous is it for the world . Well, its very dangerous for the world, fareed. I actually dont like to use the term china. I much prefer the term onesixth of humanity. How we relate to onesixth of humanity will have a huge impact in everything from the costs on the shoes on our feet to the mortgage of your home. My view of trump originally was that donald trump was not the american president that americans deserved but he was the american president that china deserved. An american president ready to draw some red lines with china, but i believe trump did it in an ineffective way. You eluded to the democratic disease of always feeling they have to mimic china or hard line positions of republicans. The democratic position on trump and china should be trump is a chump. Why is that . Basically on trade and now on w. H. O. What was the trump position . It was always go it alone. What we should have been doing on trade is signing the tpp agreement, getting the europeans on our side and making the trade agreement between us and china the world against china on the right rules of trade which would leverage all the chinese reformers on our side. Instead we made it a fight over trump and xi and who has the biggest tariff. Were doing the exact same thing with w. H. O. Its not smart when youre taking on onesixth of humanity. You need the other fivesixths of the world on your size. Zanny, the chinese have revealed something startling, they have no growth target for this year is china always has had a growth target, they met it. And this year theyre not announcing a target because its probably the weakest growth in 45 years in china. Thats right. Theyre not announcing a growth target, thats a huge change. Their economy sha rrank by 6. 5 the first quarter, its low in the second. I think im not sure this is a sense of weakness from china relative to the rest of the world. Theyre not doing that because they dont want to be embarrassed by it, but i think they think the chinese economy is not doing nearly as badly as other economies around the world. A lot of this behavior coming from beijing, the crackdown on hong kong, is using in part the timing of covid where the rest of the world is distracted to do something that president xi is determined to do, which is crack down on what he sees as a kind of hotbed of subversion and dangerous liberal ideas. Im not sure this is so much distractive for things at home as it is an increasingly authoritarian dictatorship in china is going. This is an extraordinarily dangerous moment. I cant think of a more dangerous moment between the u. S. And china. You make a very good point that xi is leveraging it, but he is leveraging the nationalism in china which is also popular. We forget there is populism and nationalism in china as well. Tom, i want to ask you about secretary pompeo. This week i dont want this to slip unnoticed or uncommented. The Inspector General of the state department was fired because apparently he was innovating the secretary of state. Isnt that what Inspector Generals are meant to do . Well, you know, fareed, the contest is over. We thought Rex Tillerson was the worst secretary of state in postwar history but pompeo has superseded him in that title. This is a guy who has no single diplomatic accomplishment to his record. I think his most important actions is that he has metaphorically speaking now shot two u. S. Diplomats in the back. One the u. S. Ambassador to ukraine, who was fired for doing her job at the behest of trump and rudy giuliani, and now the Inspector General who was investigating several things involving pompeo. This is really, really sad. Really, really dangerous. I think this is also a distraction machine. Fareed, people forgot that last week the attorney general confirmed that america got hit with the first Arabian Peninsula externally directed terrorist attack since 9 11. The most lethal in pensacola, florida. That came out of the Arabian Peninsula. Remind me, fareed, who was the head of the cia and state department during the time when this 9 11 scale attack happened . It was mike pompeo. Theres a lot of distraction going on here. Hold those thoughts. Well take a break and when we come back well talk about the open skies agreement, the United States pulled out of one more international agreement. Well explain why. No uh uh, no way come on, no no nnnnono only discover has no annual fee on any card. The coronavirus continues to affect us all, and we are here, actively supporting you and your community. Every day, were providing trusted information from top health experts. Sharing tools to help protect families from fraud. And creating resources to support family caregivers everywhere. 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I get the sense in europe theres great concern that the Trump Administration is pulling out of a number of these kinds of structures that have, you know, kind of built the postworld war ii order. The former swedish Prime Minister wrote we are now in the first crisis of a postamerican world. Europe does not look to the United States for Global Leadership anymore. Do you think thats true . I think thats right. I think its very important to see this in the context of the dismantling of the whole arms control system under this administration. First of all, the u. S. Pulled out of the iran deal, as you know. Secondly, the north korea talks collapsed. Thirdly, there was the collapse of the inf treaty, and theres a sense that all of the machinery that held the arms control system together is now falling apart. That from a european perspective [ inaudible ] keep going, sorry. I think we lost zanny. Well get back to her. Tom, i want to ask you the same question. You covered International Diplomacy for as long as i can remember. I was reading you in high school. Does this seem like a moment, you know, the postamerican world as was described . Yeah, what is so worryzo dwo worrisome, if you want something broken, these are your guys. Paris climate agreement, arms control, iran nuclear deal. They have not replaced it by any other new structure other than america alone. This is happening at a time when theres a hole set whole set of that require governance but there is no government. These are issues from pandemics to arms control to climate. You know, i was reading over the weekend on sars. And, you know, sars began the respiratory coronavirus that started in china began to spread around the world. But you know why sars didnt become covid19 . Because there was early a w. H. O. Enabled global coordination to stop the spread. And, you know, when you have all these global issues that require Global Governance and there is no global government, the only way to replace it has been americanled multinational, multilateral coalitions and were dissembling those. What do you think of this place were at . You mentioned sars. Theres been ebola. Theres been mers. But in a sense i also feel as though theres been other shocks to the system. The financial crisis. 9 11. It feels like theres something about this world were in, hyper globalized, hyper connected, that is prone to some of this kind of thing. Were not buying enough insurance. Well, im writing about this now. As i look back on my own writing over the last 20 years, pandemics are us. I basically started covering a geopolitical pandemic called 9 11. Then i covered a financial pandemic called 2008. Now im covering a biological pandemic called covid19. Ill soon be covering an atmospheric pandemic called Climate Change. This is what happens when you have a world so intertwined where people are going to extremes in a lot of directions and its so globalized that you can transmit, you know, abhorrent behavior in one corner of the world now very quickly over the world at the same time. And is it your sense that if we were to get to a place where, for example, the United States and china could cooperate, the United States and the European Union cocooperate, it fecould cooperation, it feels like a pandemic should remind us of our common humanity. Instead its pulling us inward. That dynamic of sort of nationalism seems heightened right now. Fareed, in this interlinked world where were stressing big systems all over, what is it you want . You want resilience. Stuff will be happening. It will be coming at you from multiple directions. What is the best way to get resilience . It would be for the worlds two premiere powers, economic powers and geopolitical powers, china and the u. S. , to be collaborating on arms control, pandemics, Climate Change and cyber. The fact were pulling apart is really very disturbing. I want to emphasize this is not just because of america and its not just because of trump. President xi overplayed his hand. We, i would say, underplayed ours and underperformed. This is something fed by both beijing and washington. Each has been looking for a distraction to distract its people from mistakes made at home. But it is very, very dangerous. The world we could wake up to could be a much less resilient world, thats not a world that either people will thrive in. Thank you, tom. I want to thank zanny, we just got her back at a point where were out of time. Well get her back on soon again. Thank you both. Next on gps, all american states have started their reopening process but americans dont seem ready to go back to work or shop. Ill talk to the former head of President Trumps National Economic council, gary cohn. 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And then washington, the republicans are saying the moneys run out. We cant do much more. And yet youre not going to have the economy bounce back if you just listen to jay powell. Whats happening and what should be done . So, fareed, i think were at a very interesting transition point in this whole covid crisis. Initially the government came with a very big response, a response that was needed. I think a response that was properly sized. The federal government threw about 3 trillion at the u. S. Economy, enhanced unemployment benefits, ppp, paycheck protection for Small Businesses, and other forms of stimulus that allowed businesses to stay open, to hopefully allow our economy to be in a position to recover. That was the initial response, which was the right initial response. We have now moved from the initial response to the recovery phase of where we are. Were in that transition mode. Transitions are always difficult. So we still have some of the response issues to deal with. So when you look at where the cities and states are, they still need more money from the federal government because we asked the cities and states to spend enormous amounts of money on unemployment benefits, on medical benefits. Remember, cities and states cannot print money like the federal government. They actually have to run a balanced budget. Cities and states need to get the money back from the federal government that they spent on their citizens, and their citizens deserve it. Many of the people they were paying were first responders. They were working overtime to help us as citizens. Also the hospital system. Our Hospital Systems in america, we asked them to shut down and only treat essentially death people in death situations or people with covid. And that really meant that the vast majority of the hospitals and the medical infrastructure in the United States was taken offline. And remind people, thats 20 of our economy. So we need to give our hospitals money to allow them to continue in a way that we want them to be and reinstate them to the position they were in beforehand. Thats part of the response. But theres also a big recovery. The recovery means getting workers back employed and getting workers back into the system. Our economy is really based on people going to work, taking their earnings and consuming. And we have to reinvigorate that cycle of work and consumption. So shg, let me ask you that, gary. You know this well because you were at Goldman Sachs during the financial crisis. How do you reanimate the animal spirits of the economy . How do you get people to want to spend in an environment where theyreunderstandably scared. Look, for the last ten weeks we have heard that the most important thing you can do is stay home and stay out of the economy, and only leave your house for essentials. We need to start explaining to our citizens what it is safe to do and what its not safe to do. Where you can go and how you can feel comfortable doing it. We also need to give our businesses safe harbor to reopen. If im a Small Business owner and i feel like i could potentially run into a legal liability by opening my store if someone feels like they get covid by coming into my store, i would be very reticent to open my store. We need to create a safe harbor that if a storekeeper does some basic things, maybe takes your temperature at the door, maybe only allows two or three people in the store at a time, makes you wear a mask, they can avoid the legal liability to do that. As we get more and more stores open, people have more and more of a choice of where they can shop, and we bring more and more people back in the economy. You know, one of the things thats going on that we have to be careful of is the big box retailers do sell essential goods. So we did allow them to stay open during the crisis, but they also sell many nonessential goods. So those same nonessential goods could be bought boy story store main street america. People are buying those nonessential goods from the big box retailers. We need to get those main Street Stores open. A, it will be for employment and b well start restimulating the economy by them bringing their employees back to work. This is a circle that we have to start moving. We have to start getting people back into the work force and comfortable coming back into the work force. I just have a minute, gary. Im sorry to ask you this in short form, but should we worry about the debt were spending . You said 3 trillion. If we do as you suggest, probably another couple trillion. How should we think about that . People are worried now, as you know on capitol hill, about the debt. Well, look, initially right now we should not be worried about the debt. We need to spend whatever we can to recover our economy. A year from now, hopefully when we get through this and this is behind us, we absolutely have to worry about the debt. We now have the knowledge that at any given moment in time our congress is going to need to spend you tell me, 3 trillion to 5 trillion to stimulate the economy because of a crisis. We dont know what that next crisis is. So our next congress, the congress that sits down in 2021, they almost have to sit down and look at our spending and our revenue side. They really need to look at our budget. How we spend money. Theres a lot of places where we could cut back. The in addition to that, i think they have to look at our tax system and think of ways that we raise revenue. If you think back to 1935 and the depression, some major reform came out of that. We built a Social Security system, a 6. 2 tax per initial dollar from every american because we needed to build that safety net. 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