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Are you a christian . He would ask them . And if youre a christian, stand up. They would stand up and he said, good, because youre a christian, youre going to see god in just about one second and then he shot and killed them. He kept going down the line doing this. Reporter thursday morning, around 10 38 a. M. , 911 dispatch receives the first calls for help. The active shooter, ucc, 1140 college road. Somebody is outside one of the doors, shooting through the door. Reporter the police say he was carrying body armor and ammunition, along with three pistols and one long rifle. He open fire on a classroom, shooting the teacher at pointblank range. It was rapid fire over and over and over again. You could hear the people you could hear them moving and c crying. I said to the teacher, we need to get out of here right now. We heard the second and third gunshots. Reporter within minutes, officers swarmed the campus. Hes in a classroom. Exchanging gunshots with the male. Theyre in snyder hall. Reporter the shooter continued his rampage into the science building, casualties found in at least two different classrooms. I will not name the shooter. I will not give him the credit he probably sought prior to this horrific and cowardly act. Reporter the gunman shot dead at the scene. And the sheriff praising the heroic actions of two officers who arrived here at the scene within minutes of that first 911 call. Keep in mind, this is a normally gunfree zone here at the college. There are no Armed Security guards or armed officers normally here on campus. And so given the amount of ammunition, the number of weapons this shooter had, its likely those responding officers may have prevented this tragedy from becoming even more deadly. Chris . How to stop a shooting once it happens . How to stot them before they start, how to assess people as risk. Hoy to decide who gets weapons . All of these issues present themselves every day. Anna, thank you. Heres what matters most in every one of these situations. Those who were victimized. Right now we know at least seven were wounded at this mass shooting in Umpqua Community college. Those who are still alive and fighting for their lives, lets get to cnns chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta live at Mercy Hospital in roseburg, oregon with more. What are they telling you. Reporter well, with this particular hospital, its about five miles away from the scene. This is a small town, chris, just about 21,000 people live here. Five miles away from the scene. What we know now from talking to people inside the hospital, ten people, ten people who are injured were brought to this hospital after the incident occurred. We know that one of those people died in the emergency room here behind me. Three people were transferred to another hospital and the others were getting operations and treatment here. So it was ten injured, originally, chris, that were brought here. One did not survive after making it to the emergency room. We know that this is a level three trauma center, chris. This is the hospital that is not used to seeing this sort of thing but remarkably, back several years ago, they actually took care of a similar sort of incident. Where 23 people were injured in a mass shooting. So these are seasoned doctors, seasoned professionals in here who tragically have seen this sort of thing before. I can tell you, chris, being here for a little bit now, everybody in this town seemingly has been affected by this. They either knew somebody, theyve been somehow directly impacted by what happened here. Thats really the feel, the vibe that you get when you walk around this town today. Sanjay, ill take it here. Thats the thing, a Small Community like that will be rocked to its core. Well check back with you on the status of those victims that are being treated in the hospital. Meanwhile, federal and local investigators are chasing every lead to learn more about that 26yearold gunman and his motives. Was the mass shooting a possible hate crime . Were warning signed missed . Joi that part of the story. Hes 26 years old, Christopher Harper mercer is his name. He wore, apparently, according to reports, a military style garb almost every day and he had a close relationship with his mother. The New York Times quoting her saying that she had to insulate her son from various things he found annoying, including bugs and animals and children. What we also know about him is that his father is in Southern California, his father actually spoke and confirmed the identity of his son. Any questions right now . Obviously its been a devastating day, devastating for me and my family. All i ask is, i know you are here to do your job, all i ask is please respect our privacy. So far youve done that. Any surprise at all . Shocked. Shocked is all i can say. The father lives in Southern California. The mother, it appears, had moved to oregon. What we do know is very little is known about this individual. But investigators telling us that when he was shot, he was carrying a long gun, three handguns which he was able to reload. He was also in possession of body armor and he had a lot of ammunition. Police now crediting other officers for responding so quickly that they were, in their words, able to neutralize the gunman. He did appear to be armed for a long fight. Last thing, he was also on social media but he doesnt have a very prolific profile as others weve investigated normally do. He was on a site, he said ive noticed so many people like this gunman in virginia who killed the two reporters, are all alone and unknown. Yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who is known by no one is now known by everyone, his face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet ab all in the course of one da i. Seems the more people you kill, the more youre in the limelight. Investigators are looking at the motive to understand what was going on in his head. There are eyewitnesses who are telling investigators that he did ask people their religions. So theyre looking as to why that may have played a role. Chris, alisyn, michaela. Reading that blog post, it just spells out part of his motive that he liked the limelight. That that other murderer from roanoke had received. We will explore that on the program. Meanwhile, president obama outrage by yet another mass shooting. The president admonishing the country for not fighting gun violence, saying somehow these massacres have become routine in america. But we are not the only country on earth that has people with Mental Illnesses. Or want to do harm to other people. We are the only advance country on earth who sees these kind of Mass Shootings every few months. Somehow this has become routine. The reporting is routine. My response here at this podium ends up being routine. The conversation in the aftermath of it, weve become numb to this. We talked about this after columbine and blacksburg, after tucson, after newtown, after aurora, after charleston. It cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun. And whats become routine, of course, is the response of those who oppose any kind of common sense to Gun Legislation. Right now, i can imagine the press releases being cranked out. We need more guns, theyll argue. Fewer gun safety laws. Does anybody really believe that . There are scores of responsible gun owners in this country. They know thats not true. We know because of the polling that says the majority of americans understand we should be changing these laws, including the majority of responsible lawabiding gun owners. There is a gun for roughly every man, woman and child in america. So haw can you, with a straight face, make the argument that more guns will make us safer . We know that states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths. So the notion that gun lows dont work or just will make it harder for lawabiding citizens and criminals will still get their guns, its not borne out by the evidence. We know that other countries in response to one mass shooting have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate Mass Shootings. Guns are certainly always an issue in these shootings but theyre just one issue. Theres a combination of things that goes into almost every one of these as we know, all too well. Lets bring back dr. Sanjay gupta and lets bring in former atf executive matthew horris. I want to unpack the boxes we need to check when assessing these situations. Matthew, let me start with you. The first thing well hear is, if they had had Armed Security, allowed kids to carry weapons, teachers, authorized personnel, this guy wouldnt have had the ability to inflict this kind of damage. What is your take . Well, my take is every time we have one of these incidents, that question comes up. When you get right down to the core, the people who are responsible for schoolings always say we dont want more guns on campuses. We dont want more guns at elementary schools, middle schools or high schools. The dialogue discontinues and the narrative stays the same. When having weapononweapon is an advantage, would security in the school make a difference . What can you speak to on that . Well, i can say several things. Number one, the president makes a very good point. In no other situation in society would we allow this to happen without bringing the people to the table to come up with a coherent solution. We havent done that. Number two, no matter what side of the fence you sit on, no one can argue the facts. Almost every week since sandy hook theres been another School Shooting in almost every state of the United States with the exception of five. Too much, too little, too late, it continues to happen. Chris, you and i are having this discussion far too many times every two weeks. Sanjay, were going to get the stats of different shootings and things. Well put them up there for the audience to see. Mental health winds up rearing its head in Mass Shootings. Not in all gun violence. There are plenty of reasons people can just be bad. When you find someone who is said to be suffering from Mental Health issues, how big a gap is there in the ability to get someone help if they dont want it . Tremendous gap, chris. Really at all levels, from the time that someone is actually able to be recognized as having some sort of Mental Illness to having a formal diagnosis to get outpatient treatment and most difficult of all, to get inpatient treatment. It has gotten challenging, more so. Its going in the wrong direction, really in terms of actually getting these people help. Youre right, though, chris. The tendency always seems to be to talk about Mental Illness in the wake of one of these tragedies. People with Mental Illness are more likely to be victims of Violent Crime as opposed to perpetrators of them. But it does come up. I think you have the situation where because the system is so broken, family members, friends, people who might otherwise help refer somebody, get somebody help, it doesnt even happen. That process doesnt even start. Theres nowhere to go with it, chris. Two aspects i want your opinion on, sanjay. One, we have representative tim murphy from pennsylvania coming on. Hes been bush pushi pushing little in the house. To let family members know what doctors say and, two, to help coerce treatment at least for a limbed time. Do you think that would be helpful . I do. I think ultimately family members and Close Friends as well, family members certainly are often the front line here. This is one of those things where it can be difficult to detect. Certainly early on. So i think being able to have family members empowered, enabled in this way and to be part of that process is important. You know what the other side is. Coerced is a strong word. I used that word. Hipaa laws saw you cant disclose information. If i substituted the word diabetes or something else, instead of schizophrenia or some other Mental Illness we wouldnt be having this discussion at all. Its sort of one of these selffulfilling things, chris, because it becomes so stigmatized that people dont even want to talk about it. They dont want to admit potentially theyre getting treatment for this sort of thing. It becomes a real challenge. We talked about parody with regard to Mental Illness for a long time. Parody means that it gets treated the same, not just financially but in terms of erasing that stigma. We are nowhere close to that right now. So because of that, to your point, chris, i think its difficult to coerce people into this. Because they people are legitimately and understandably worried about what the ramifications may be if their treatment, their diagnosis becomes public. Matthew horace, right now theres no law on the books that would stop someone who doesnt have a record of being adjudicated mentally ill or somehow incarcerated from being stopped by a background check. What law could be designed that would have stopped someone like this from getting a gun. If you dont have a criminal record, you havent been adjudicated mentally ill, how would you flag someone like this . Thats a tough call, chris. You have the people that have been diagnosed, the people who have been adjudicated. There are hundreds of thousands of people that havent gotten to that stage yet that are powder kegs waiting to explode. We see this come up time and time again. Thats the challenge here, chris. Is the answer more guns or less guns . The answer is less guns in the hands of people who shouldnt have them. That clearly is the answer. How do we do that, right . Thats the plague. Thats the plague. Matthew horace, i know we have the conversation too often but its the only way to get to a conclusion. Dr. Sanjay gupta, well check back with you quickly as well. Mick . More on the breaking coverage of shooting in oregon ahead. We are also keeping a keen eye on powerful hurricane joaquin. The category 4 storm is battering the bahamas with 130 mileanhour winds and heavy rain. It is barreling now toward the east coast of the United States. We are following joaquins every move with cnn meteorologist chad myers at cnn center in atlanta. Of course, this is the question, is it headed towards the east coast . Is it going to veer east . What do we know at this hour . The cone from the National Hurricane center says this does not touch america. The center of the eye does not touch america. That does not mean that there wont be influns on america because there will be significant flooding from the tropical moisture just in the nature of the storm itself. 130 Miles Per Hour per hour, wind gusts of 160. This has been battering the bahamas for 48 hours. A major hurricane, category 4, down in the bahamas now. It is going to turn to the north, try to turn back to the left a little bit. I dont believe its going to get there. There are still models out there that say it may get there. Im not telling you that the chance of landfall is zero. It is not zero. It may be five or ten. Even the Hurricane Center itself will tell you the cone only is supposed to catch hurricanes in that cone 65 to 70 of the time. There could be a left liar or lier. Its all of the moisture coming up from the tropics into the carolinas, georgia, virginia, maybe even d. C. Could you imagine d. C. With 5 inches of rain in 24 hours . That is possible with any one of these cells because theres so much moisture. You walk outside, it is just muggy. Look at this map right here, clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. The big ingredient is the tropical moisture heading into the southeast. Finish the line, alisyn. Here i am stuck in the middle again. With you. With you. Cheryl crowe. 11 People Killed including 6 u. S. Service members and 5 civilian contractors when their military transport plane crashed at jalalabad airport. While the taliban claimed responsibility on twitter, the u. S. Military denies hostile fire was involved. They are continuing to investigate the cause of the crash and we, of course, will follow all of those developments. House speaker hopeful Kevin Mccarthy did what many expected him to do. He is back pedaling on his controversial comments crediting the Benghazi Committee for Hillary Clintons sinking poll numbers. He claimed to have unintentionally misstated his position, saying he did not mean the investigation was political. Instead, he said it was about finding the truth for the families of the four americans killed in the benghazi attacks. However, that is not what he said. More clarification, this time from the vatican, clarifying this morning, explaining the circumstances behind the popes meeting with kentucky Clerk Kim Davis during his u. S. Visit. A deputy vatican Spokesman Says she was one of several people, several dozen people in fact that pope francis met with briefly at the vatican brs in washingt embassy in washington. The only real audience he granted was with one of his former students and his family. His meeting with davis should not be a form of support in of her position in all of its peculiar and complex aspects. An outraged president obama says Mass Shootings have become routine in this country. The father of reporter Alison Parker who, of course, was gunned down on Live Television has made gun control his mission. He joins us, next. So i need to collect your phones so you cant post pictures. [screams] okay, how does it feel to not be connected . My chest hurts. Well let me give you your phones back. [laughing] let me show you a better way to keep connected. The 2016 chevy cruze offers built in 4g lte wifi ® that connects up to seven devices. So this thing puts out its own signal . Yes. What . This is next level chevy. You havent seen your bedike. In days. No, like you havent seen a bed in weeks zzzquil. The non habitforming sleep aid that helps you sleep easily, and wake refreshed. 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Mr. Parker, it is so tragic that we need to talk to you again about Something Like this but here we are. I cant believe its only been a month, actually, since your daughter was so brutally killed, something that the whole country was shaken by. And you said then that you would make it your lifes mission to try to fight gun violence. What was yesterday like for you as you heard the news of what happened at this school . Well, alisyn, it was like a gut punch, again. And my heart broke for the families out there. And it quickly then turned to just absolute rage, because i cant believe that this is continuing. I think the president pretty much nailed it yesterday by saying that we have to politicize this. Certainly there are theres the Mental Health component, the hipaa laws that are blocking efforts to identify people that are mentally disturbed but the common denominator here is the two ea too easy access to guns. That has to change. We have to call these politicians out that are taking blood money from the gun lobby. Youve written an oped for usa today in which you say we are engaged in a war in this country, a war between rational people and zealots. A war between good and evil. At first blush you could think youre talking about terrorism there. We know youre talking about gun violence. We are talking about domestic terrorism. The Fringe Groups that are immediately the knee jerk reaction is youre going to take away our guns. Thats absolutely not the case. Any effort you make to try and make meaningful change, thats what theyre going to say. The politicians and these Fringe Groups are aiding and abetting domestic terrorism. Thats the simplest way that i could put it. We are at war. Cnn has put together some striking numbers that i want to show you and our viewers. Because it compares how Many Americans have been killed by domestic terrorism or any terrorism, frankly, just americans killed on u. S. Soil since 2004 versus u. S. Deaths by firearms. Look at these numbers. 313 by terrorism and by the way, cnn used a broad definition of terrorism here, they included ft. Hood, the man who flew the plane into the irs building and then look at u. S. Deaths by firearms. 316,000. Okay . Exponentially more. You have regrettably become an expert in the past month in this. What gun law could have prevented what happened yesterday . Well, you know, thats hard to say, because you dont know, but anything that you do any closing of a loophole can make a difference. I wanted to go back to your terrorism comment, alisyn, because one of the nuggets that i learned was that there are a thousand people, a thousand people on the fbis nofly list yet the nra successfully backed efforts to allow them to have, to purchase firearms. They cant fly but they can buy weapons. I mean, that is what were talking about. Yes. The politicians that allow that to happen are aiding and abetting terrorism. They have blood on their hands and im going to be going through virginia, because we have every state official every state office is up for election in november. Its one of the unique states. And terry mcauliffe, our governor and i are going to be going across the state to identify these cowards that are not doing anything about it and were going to call them out. You know, you know the argument on the other side, which is if you have stricter gun laws or more gun laws, its only the bad guys who will get their hands on guns. You state thats a fallacy. You cite what happened in california as a kind of example of positive change through laws that can make a difference. What happened . Absolutely. The gun violence restraining order. The mechanism is in place throughout the country in states, if someone is threatened they can get a restraining order put on them, if someone feels threatened, but it doesnt include a firearm. Which thats ludicrous to think you can put a restraining order on someone but if they have a firearm, thats okay. But in california, they crafted that law to take out firearms, if theres an instance that justifies taking those out. So thats the kind of change we need to make and the kind of laws that need to happen in virginia and all across the country. There you go. Mr. Andy parker, were thinking of you and your family as well as all the victims from yesterday. Thank you for being on new day. Thank you. Well have more on the College Campus massacre. Up next, well talk with an expert who has developed a test to identify social tendencies. Could it also be used to prevent future Mass Shootings . Well take a look. Laquintays at and fires up free wifi, with a network thats now up to 5 times faster than before you know what he can do . Lets see if hes ready. He can swim with the sharks book your next stay at lq. Com with their Airline Credit card miles. 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More power to your gut. This is cnn breaking news. Were following owl all of the news out of oregon after the massacre on the campus of Umpqua Community college in roseburg, oregon. The shooting left nine dead and at least nine wounded. The shooter was also killed. Police investigators say the 26yearold gunman was armed with three handguns and one long gun and enough ammunition for a prolonged fight. The father of one of the injured says the gunman singled out christians during his killing spree. Well continue to follow all of the details. Lets get over to chris and michaela. More often than not when one of these happens, what do we find out . People knew, whether it was a parent or a friend, somebody knew that the shooter wasnt right. They were deranged, isolated, had Mental Health issues. Maybe they had treatment or medication but didnt want to stay on it. Why is it so hard to prevent these shootings in light of that . Heres somebody who has been taking this question seriously and working toward an answer, dr. Kelly posner. Shes developed a Mental Health questionnaire that has proven to help. Doc, its good to have you here with us. Weve known each other a long time. Youve talked about this almost incessantly when Something Like this happens. What can help move toward a solution . Chris, we know 90 of shooters have well documented suicidal issues. If we screen, that means just asking a few questions, that will give us a chance to identify these people before things like this happen. Not lenly do 90 have welldocumented issues that can help us catch them but almost a third of them say that suicide was their motive. 90 of shooters im sorry, 60 of shooters have had clear depression, extreme depression or desperation yet only a small percentage have had any kind of Mental Health evaluation. This questionnaire, i think we have an example of the one of the questions. I think its important to understand the line of questioning. Lets put it up. Have you wished you were dead or have you wished you could go to sleep and not wake up . Thats counting on the person to selfreport and to be honest. In those cases of 90 , can you trust that they will be forthcoming . Yes. Actually, you can. Most people who are suffering, actually want help. Its a cry for help . And the problem is people dont ask them the questions. 50 of suicides have seen their primary care doctor the month before they die. We should be asking these questions like we monitor for blood pressure. Everybody, everywhere. And we cant rely on people to come and tell us. So, yes, we can. And one of the very helpful things about these questions, is its tiered. If they answer that, the question is, have you had thoughts of killing yourself . If thats no, you move on to a behavior question. If its yes, you get into the more serious questions that help us identify people at high risk. Its not academic. Its practical. Youve put it to use and seen it work. Where and how . Phenomenally, actually. Its been used all over the world, from the schools in south africa to local police chiefs. Even the military, right . Yes, 117 languages. Its been rolled out throughout the entire army. The marines did a total force rollout and went to all 16 installati installations, including okinawa and trained every support worker. Its interesting. You think it has to be institutional, instructional. I was reading your material, the case for even making sure the janitor is armed with some of these questions. You say any person that comes in contact with somebody who has suicidal feelings can have an impact. Exactly. Because there may be places you know, i went this big Hospital System said we trained the janitors and this clinician who had worked with the v. A. Said, exactly, ill never forget that case where the other person that vet spoke to was the janitor. It doesnt mean the janitor will ever need to ask those questions. If hes in that position where he does, he will. The marines, every time a lawyer or clergy met with a marine, they are a screener. In tennessee, the largest provider in the country of outpatient care, they reduced their suicide rate by 65 in 20 months. You know what, they brought it to life by telling a story about this man who they had called a few times and he said he was fine. The last time he said you called me and asked me those questions. I was on the bridge. If you hadnt, i wouldnt be alive. Whats the overlap between somebody who wants to commit suicide and kill other people. Is there an overlap . Almost a third of them say suicide is actually their motive and 90 of them have suicidal issues. Im not saying that thats the reason theyre doing it always but its a way to identify them. There is tremendous overlap. Why hasnt it happened . Thats the next question. Why is it not widely used . Why arent all medical professionals using this, schools, institutions . Sometimes its just about how you get the message out there, which is why im so grateful for this tune. There are about 40, 45 states that have started to go top down, that means schools, police. Do you think a policeman wants to hospitalize somebody unnecessarily . Definitely not. The fact that entire communities can do this. I want to say, it is imperative that the National Suicide prevention strategy implement Community Trainings where, you know, on Suicide Prevention and stress management and part of that is about asking. We say just ask. Just ask. It may save a live. Dr. Kelly posner, thank you for coming on. This is something we care intensely about it. Thank you for the opportunity. Alisyn. Great conversation, guys. Were following all the breaks news. President obamaed amonday iring the country for not fighting more against gun violence. Will lawmakers finally act . Well ask one, coming up. 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That would be of the oregon shooting victims. Nine people were killed, at least nine others wounded by a deranged gunman on the Umpqua Community college. The gunman singled christians. Authorities are interviewing family and friends. The goal, to figure out if he could have been stopped. More gun violence to tell you about, a 6monthold baby girl was shot and killed in cleveland, ohio while riding in a car with her mother and two other passengers. Police are still hunting for the shooter. The baby becomes the third child shot and killed in cleveland this past month. Its prompted Hometown Hero lebron james to tweet several pleas to stop the violence. The u. S. Making it clear, it will continue with military action in syria. The real issue is whether russia and the u. S. Will collide while trying to carry out apparently very Different Missions in syria. White house officials charge that moscow is targeting Syrian Opposition groups, including those backed by the u. S. 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Know youre getting a superior clean. Im never going back to a manual brush. Around outraged president obama admonishing the country for not fighting gun violence more effectively. The president calling on the country to, quote, find the courage to change. Joining us now is the chairman of the Homeland Security committee. Congressman mccall, thanks for being in studio. This seems like deja vu all over again in the most sickening way. You are chair of the house Homeland Security committee. Weve been focused on terrorism and we know the reports youve been issuing about that. Does it feel this morning as maybe youre focused on wrong thing and gun violence is what we should be talking about with Homeland Security . A lot of terror events that happen involve weapons. There are warning signs usually along the way that we miss. This obviously looks like a case of Mental Illness. Weve seen this story way too many times in the past. I think we have a Mental Illness crisis in this country. Im not sure what law could have possibly stopped this from happening. It shows we need to deal with Mental Illness more effectively. You see this as an issue of Mental Illness. You dont see this as an issue of too many guns in the hands of the wrong people . I was a federal prosecutor, prosecuted gang cases. If youre mentally defective under the law you cant purchase a weapon. I dont know that its nosily that we need more laws, we need to treat Mental Illness. And if someone is mentally ill, those signs should come up with family, friends and the gun dealer. But how can the gun dealer know that youre mentally ill . Theres no National Data base of people becoming unhinged. How can the gun dealer ever know of that . If somebody is a little bit off or maybe theyre changing or radicalizing as a terrorist, those signs are sometimes hard to spot. Youre talking about a Second Amendment right and the constitution as well. And so to deny that right, just on a hunch, raises all sorts of legal questions as well. I think part of the problem is addressing Mental Illness, having people identify people in the family or friends who seem to be off, a little off base. Just like in terrorism, we talk about radicalization. The warning signs of radicalization, spotting those early, getting them on the off ramp so we can treat them, so we can stop this kind of violence from happening. You and i have had many conversations about terrorism and what to do about it and how much it scares americans. Cnn has put together overnight the numbers of americans killed by terrorism since 2004 versus by gun violence. Look at the numbers. There are 313 u. S. Deaths from terrorism. By the way, cnn took a broad approach to what they call terrorism. They couldnted the ft. Hood shooting, they counted the plane crash into the austin irs building, they counted the sikh building. One number i dont see on this chart are the 3,000 who died on 9 11 in this city. Yes, this was since 2004. We werent counting 9 11. Firearms are so much more. Is there Nothing Congress can do . Again, i mean, congress will look at this issue. Most of these cases are Mental Health, Mental Illness cases. What can you do about that . What more could you do, if its just Mental Illness, keeping guns out of the mentally ill . What law . Theres a law on the books already, if youve been adjudicated mentally ill, you cannot purchase a firearm. At what point is someone denied the constitution. T right under currently under the law its a judge that does that. The problem is a lot of these people get their hands on firearms before theyre adjudicated mentally ill. They havent committed necessarily a crime thats gotten them into jail before or the system. But they are unhinged. I mean, listen, it sounds like youre saying theres not much more we can do. I think the obligation as citizens in the country to identify friends or family who are going down this path. In every case, youll see in this case as well, im sure people will come out of the woodwork saying, yes, he was saying crazy things and yet it was never reported to authorities. Okay. A lot of this can be stopped if that was brought to the attention. Lets talk about that. If somebody had raised a red flag and said this person appears to be becoming more violent or more unhinged, then would you be comfortable with police going in and taking away their firearms . I think you would have to have a psychiatric evaluation to determine whether that person is qualified to own a firearm. And under the law, you have to be mentally adjudicated, mentally defective. I think we have a Mental Illness crisis in this country. We have veterans returning with ptsd. We have Mental Health issues out there that need to be addressed and dealt with. I dont think passing another gun law on the book, no gun law probably could have stopped this case. Tell me what law could have been passed to stop this case. Maybe if there were more background checks, wherever he was we dont know yet, the history of how he got the gun. We dont have all the evidence. The president came out without knowing all the facts. I dont know all the facts in this case. I dont know how he purchased his firearm. And i dont know what the signs were of Mental Illness prior to his purchase. Heres what the president had to say in terms of a challenge to congress about this. Listen. We spend over a trillion dollars and passed countless laws and devote entire agencies to preventing terrorist attacks on our soil. Rightfully so. And yet we have a congress that explicitly blocks us from even collecting data on how we could potentially reduce gun deaths. How can that be . How about that, congressman . How about more collection of data . How about more of a database that flags people . How about anything . Youre getting into privacy issues as well. Someone has goes to a psychiatrist, do you want the government taking those Health Records and putting it into a database . Right. This is exactly what youre talking about in terms s of m Mental Health needs to be flagged. Whats your answer . We spend billions of dollars militarily keeping the threat out of the United States. We do very little towards prevention of combatting violent extremists in the United States, those who radicalize. Were doing very little to stop that. I think the same argument applies here. Hes right. Were applying all this money to counterterrorism as we should. But looking very little at prevention. I think this is where the Health Community needs to step up. I think people, average citizens in the country who see family members who see friends, who are becoming mentally ill, the warning signs, these need to be identified and treated. But to take someones private medical records, theres a law, a hipaa violation under federal law, to take those Mental Health records and put it into a federal database. Youd be discouraging a person from going to a psychiatrist in the first place. Obviously its complicated or we would have solved it already. Thank you. Were following a lot of news this morning. So lets get right to it. Theres been another mass shooting in america. Somebody is outside one of the doors shooting through the door. I yelled at her, theres a shooting, get in the building. Multiple shots were fired. At least ten people are dead. He came in and there was gunfire immediately. People were running away from the building. I knew exactly what had just happened. What was going through your mined . I hope i make it. Asking people one by one what their religion was. We are the only advanced country on earth that sees these kind of Mass Shootings every few months. There may have been overwhelming sense of rejection. This is something we should politicize. This is cnn breaking news. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. Youre watching new day. We are following breaking news for you on the campus massacre in oregon. Authorities have identified the shooter. What they do not know is why he opened fire. Nine people were killed and at least nine others wounded. Did he target christians in in killing spree . Some of the victims and witnesses say thats exactly what happened. That they were targeted because of faith. What was the motivation is unknown. Meanwhile, president obama is outraged saying new gun laws, not prayers, are needed to stop the violence. We have every angle of the story covered as only cnn can. Lets start with cnns ana cabrera in roseburg, oregon. The latest . Reporter good morning to you, chris and alisyn. There are more than 100 investigators, state, federal, local investigators all searching for answers to what happened and why. This is a very small town, seems everybody here has been touched by this tragedy. And this morning, were hearing more from the students here at this college describing the horror as that gunman opened fire. Overnight, a massive candle light vigil for the victims of Umpqua Community colleges deadly mass shooting. Disturbing new details coming from a father whose daughter was hit in the back by a bullet, describing how the gunman targeted those who said they were christian. Are you a christian, he would ask them. And if youre a christian, stand up. They would stand up and he said, good, because youre a christian, youre going to see god in just about one second and then he shot and killed them. He kept going down the line doing this. To people. Reporter thursday morning, around 10 38 a. M. , 911 dispatch receives the first calls for help. The active shooter, ucc, 1140 Umpqua College road. Somebody is outside one of the doors, shooting through the door. Reporter oregon plos say the 26yearold gunman was carrying body armor and loads of ammuniti ammunition, enough for a prolonged gun fight, along with three pistols and one long rifle. Entering a classroom, he opened fire, shooting a teacher at pointblank range according to witnesses. Students overheard the gunshots. It was rapid fire over and over and over again. You could hear the people you could hear them moving and crying. I said to the teacher, we need to get out of here right now. We heard the second and third gunshots. Reporter within minutes, officers swarmed the campus. Hes in a classroom. Exchanging gunshots with the male. Hes in the classroom on the Southeast Side of snyder hall. Reporter the shooting began in snyder hall but it didnt end there, the shooter continued his rampage into the science building, casualties found in at least two different classrooms. I will not name the shooter. I will not give him the credit he probably sought prior to this horrific and cowardly act. Reporter the gunman shot dead at the scene. Now, the sheriff praising some heroic actions of two officers who were the first to arrive within minutes of those 911 calls. When you think about that, this is normally a gunfree college. Weve learned that there were no Armed Security officers on campus at the time. You think about the ammunition, the number of guns this shooter had. Its likely that the responding officers quick actions may have saved lives. Chris, alisyn . Thanks so much for the latest. We know at least nine people were injured. The mass shooting at Umpqua Community college. For more on the victims condition, lets go to cnns chief medical correspondent, dr. Sanjay gupta. What are you learned, sanjay . Reporter well, were about five miles away from the scene. This is a relatively small town, alisyn. We know that ten injured were originally brought here, one person died in the emergency room here behind me. And the other nine patients, three of them were transferred to another hospital. They were all women, between the ages of 18 and 34. They all suffered gunshot wounds to the head. Theyre being cared for in another hospital. Four patients got operations in this hospital overnight. We know one person still remains in critical condition. Everyone now in this hospital behind me expected to recover. Theyre saying that cautiously but that is the expectation. I should also point out, this particular hospital has been through this sort of thing before. They describe themselves as seasoned. Why . Because back in 1998 there was a similar mass shooting, 23 people were injured and brought to this hospital and others in this area. So this is a community, this is a hospital that has seen this sort of thing before. Michaela . Too many times before weve seen this as a nation as well. Sanjay, thanks so much. Well be checking in with you again. Meanwhile, federal and local investigators are digging up disturbing new information about that 26yearold killer. Why . Why did he do it . What caused him to gun down ninen in the people . Were signs missed . Cnns Deborah Feyerick is here with the latest for us. What are we learning. Reporter thats exactly what investigators are looking at. Heres what we know so far of the gunman, we take a look. We know he is 26 years old. His name is Christopher Harper mercer. He, according to the New York Times, witnesses say that he wore military type clothing a lot. He had a very close relationship to his mother. Now, his mother was interviewed along withis father. The mom, apparently lives in Douglas County, oregon, very close to the college. Thats where the college is as a matter of fact. Theres an email address that links this man, the gunman to the college. His name also appears in a theater listing where hes described as a production assistant. His dad who does live in Southern California did speak to the media after he identified his son. Any questions right now . Obviously its been a devastating day. Devastating to for me and my family. All i ask is, i know you are here to do your job. All i ask is please respect our privacy. So far youve done that. Any surprise at all . Shocked. Shocked is all i can say. And you can just see how emotional the father is. As far as the gunmans online profile, what we can tell you, he was on a website where people share different kinds of information. He posted five times since july. He references two shootings, one of them is the shooting of the Virginia Tech reporters. He also references a shooting by of a Police Officer near houston who was executed at a gas station. What we do know is some of the arsenal, some of the weaponry he was carrying. He had a long gun, he also had three handguns. He was in the possession of body armor. He had ammunition as you heard ana cabrera reference. He went not to one class but two classes. On that blog site were getting a little bit of information. He talks about being alone and unknown. He says, seems the more people you kill, the more in the limelight you will be. Investigators now looking as to whether his motive was to question the religion of those that he shot. Guys . Deb, you and i know all too well this fits a pattern that he was deranged, that he did this, people knew things but couldnt get him help. He didnt want help. A lot of the story repeats itself. In fact, 15 times. Thats the number times president obama has taken to a podium following a mass shooting. He is very angry about what he says has become all too common. Take a listen. And, of course, whats also routine is that somebody, somewhere will comment and say, obama politicized this issue. Well, this is something we should politicize. It is relevant to our common life together, to the body politic. I would ask news organizations, because i wont put these facts forward, have news organizations tally up the number of americans who have been killed through terrorist attacks over the last decade and the number of americans who have been killed by gun violence. And post those side by side on your news reports. This wont be information coming from me. It will be coming from you. We spend over a trillion dollars and pass countless laws and devote entire agencies to preventing terrorist attacks on our soil and rightfully so. And yet, we have a congress that explicitly blocks us from even collecting data on how we could potentially reduce gun deaths. How can that be . This is a Political Choice that we make. To allow this to happen every few months in america. We collectively are answerable to those families. Who lose their loved ones because of our inaction. But inaction on what front . What law would have made a difference . What might make a difference . To get insight into how important this fight is for president obama and really, frankly, all of us, former senior adviser, cnn political commentator, dan pfeiffer. The president s frustration is obvious. It has been in the past. The focus on gun laws when Something Like this happens, what law would have made a difference here . I dont know that we know all the details yet about what would make a difference here. Lets see if it fits the pattern. He was deranged. People knew it but they couldnt get him help. He felt isolated. He was able to go online or a store and buy weapons. The United States have a monopoly on the mentally ill, sort of disenchanted, disenfranchised use like this. We have more shootings like this then than any other country in the world. Our guns are more lax. Doesnt mean any law we pass will solve all of them or stop all of them but the idea that we would do nothing dont we have more gun laws than anywhere else in the world. There is greater access to guns here than any other area. Australia they had one mass shooting, changed the laws. They havent had one since then. For the president s second term, theres been a mass shooting every week. Newtown was so hideous, it shook the country so deeply. It felt like if there was ever a time there would be a Tipping Point it would be after newtown with all of those little children killed. I believe that the president , after that, did propose all sorts of things, an initiative that consisted of 23 executive actions and 3 president ial memoranda, most of which would have needed congressional approval. The president has taken executive action to bypass other things such as immigration. If he feels this strongly, why not go around congress. He took a number of steps. There are limits in terms of what you can do on their own. Im confident the white house people can get through any additional steps they would make. Although many positions have significant support among republicans in terms of public opinion, people who are for additional common sense gun safely laws are getting outworked, outorganized by the nra. Until politicians in washington are more afraid of the average voter than they are the nra, well be stuck right where we are after newtown, another tragedy, politicians go out and say, i send my thousands and prayers, the news media covers it and nothing happens. You know why that is. Full disclosure. Im a gun owner. When you look at gun laws, okay, youre going to come up with as many ways as you can to keep Something Like me from getting a gun. A bad guy will be able to find 100 ways to do it, persontoperson sales, secondary market sales, online sales. You really are just restricting the lawful, not the unlawful. Thats not what were trying to do here. What is important the argument cant be were going to do something or nothing. Right . There are a set of common sense things. I dont think closing the gun show loophole or background checks or limiting assault rifles what about enforcing the laws on the books more . Why dont we make it if you catch somebody in the commission of a crime with a gun, they go away forever. Why not put money into Mental Health. We should do all of those things. The argument cant be were going to do nothing. You hear republicans say enforce the law. Do you know who has been blocking for years and years and years funding for the atf . Republicans. We need no additional laws. Just enforce what we have. This is not true. The states that have tougher gun laws have fewer deaths. About enforcement. It does not mean we should do nothing else. Those areas we say we should do things on, we do nothing on them. Mental Health Matters and we dont do anything on it. There are a number of executive actions, put those in place. Theres an effort in congress. Theres more to be done. It shouldnt be just that were not going to make the common sense steps that clearly weve seen on the state level. No reason we cant do this federally. Dan pfeiffer, thanks for being on new day. We want to go right now. We are joined by the Oregon Governor kate brown. Thank you so much for being on new day on this terrible day in your state. Can you tell us what youve learned in the past 12 hours about what happened . Well, my focus right now is on supporting the entire community of roseburg and helping the students and families heal. Governor, will this tragedy make you reconsider anything about how you do business in your state . Will you want to change anything, be it gun laws, be it dealing with the mentally ill, whatever . Will you change something because of this . Its very clear that these types of tragedies must end, not only here in oregon but across the country. But today, along with my fellow oregonens, im focused on providing comfort and care to the families of roseburg. Yes. Governor, you know, weve just been having this conversation because theres just this feeling of resignation in the country. You heard it from president obama. You heard it in his voice. Hes had to make these speeches too many times. You as a governor and other governors across the country having to come out and comfort victims, it feels as though we have to be able to get our arms around this situation. And yet, today, its hard for anybody to come up with a solution. Do you have any thoughts on this . Those are conversations for the days ahead. Right now, im focused, along with oregonians across the state. Were hearing from oregonians from across the state, theyre sending donations, theyre sending their support and they are sending their blood to help support, comfort and care for this Roseburg Community and the students at Umpqua Community college. Lets talk about the victims, nine lives lost and at least nine injured. Do you have any update on the status of those injured . Those details i will leave to Law Enforcement at this time. The sheriff who is investigating this said yesterday that hes not going to name the shooter. And in fact we do have just scant details about the shooter. We are happy to oblige. We dont need to name the shooter. We dont need to know much about the shooter but it does help to know if there was any sort of motive or what his background is, because, of course, everyone tries to see if there were any red flags or anything that can change in the future. Do you know anything about the investigation . I hope those answers will come in the future. Right now, the community of roseburg needs our support and i would ask that my fellow americans send thoughts and prayers as this Community Begins to heal. Everyone is, governor. Everyone around the country are sending their prayers for their community. Do you know anything about reports that weve heard from the surviving victims that christians were targeted . Again, ill leave those details to Law Enforcement at this time. My focus is providing support to the families. I will be meeting with administration and staff at Umpqua Community college today to offer my condolences. I will be offering my condolences to the family. And i will be meeting with our Law Enforcement community, firefighters, Police Officers, first responders, who did an incredible job yesterday under very difficult and harrowing circumstances. Governor kate brown, our prayers are with you and your community as you move forward. Thank you for joining us. The community of roseburg, oregon, a small Pacific Northwest city along the i5 corridor in oregon, rocked by that college massacre. Ahead, well get the latest on the investigation from the local sheriff. Mine hurt more. 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One of the good pieces of news in this is that he was stopped by police before he could do more damage. The man responsible for that, Douglas County sheriff, john ha hanlon and his men and women. What do you know from those responding at the scene to what the intentions of this shooter were before beyond what he had already done . Good morning, chris. Obviously were still early into this investigation. Detectives have been working all night, conducting followup investigates, going door to door, canvassing neighborhoods, trying to develop more information into this horrific act. Theyve done a complete sweep of the college. Theyve been processing the scene. Theyve been to the residence of the shooter. Again, its really too early to tell what the motive was. He was armed to the teeth and bringing it to those who responded to the scene. Thats why they had to take him out, yes . Thats correct. Now, when these situations happen, of course, its new to where you are up there and thank god for that. We often ask the question how do we avoid it the next time . Youve taken a step in that direction. You say im not going to tell you this guys name because he doesnt deserve the notoriety for this. There should be no up side to what he did. Thats something thats been debated in the world of journalism. We applaud you for it here on new day. What fuels that decision . Im sorry, what was the last part of that question . Why take that . Usually Law Enforcement puts out the information pro forma. You dont want to do it. Why . No, i dont. I dont want to glorify the shooter. I i dont want to glorify his name. I dont want to glorify his cause. In order to prevent that, im refusing to state his name. The Oregon State Medical Examiners Office will put out a notice identifying who the shooter is, but, again, thats the only information that will come out. You wont hear his name from me or from this investigation. Have you heard from those processing the scene whether or not it is true that he was asking people about their faith . I havent heard that. Again, we hope to get some of those answers and details of the actual shooting and what transpired in the classroom as this investigation progresses. How do you stop a man like this from getting a gun . You know, the debate and the discussion over firearms is going to occur. Now is not the time. We want to focus on completing this investigation, doing a thorough investigation and more importantly, we want to focus on ensring that the vict ensuring that the victims and family of victims make it through this difficult time. In the past, youve taken opportunities to talk about it, because this is when we talk about it. In the moment of crisis is when it matters. When it fades, only the families are left carrying the legacy of the burden in these situations. In the past, youve said gun laws arent the answer. You wrote a letter to joe biden saying im not going to enforce gun laws because theyre an infringement of constitutional rights. What do you believe the line is. Again, chris, i want to stay focused on completing this investigation and focus on the families of the victims. The discussion over firearms and control of firearms will occur. Ill dime in at a later time. Now is not that time. The families of the victims are going to ask for this to not happen again. Youre going to learn this firsthand. Those of us who have covered these have learned it dozens of times. Thats what theyre going to want. Please dont let this happen again. Guns will come up, Mental Health will come up and what we can do about it. In your mind do you believe were a law away from this not having happened . I cant tell you one way or the other at this point. Do you think that that discussion is part of the solution in situations like this . Or do you think its avoiding what the answer to the solution is . Do i think the discussion surrounding firearms yes. And the control of firearms is the solution . Yes. Do you think its part of the solution . Its certainly got to be part of the discussion. The discussion has to occur. But, again, i want to stay focused on this investigation. I want to stay focused on ensuring that the investigation is conducted thoroughly and concisely. I want to ensure that this community has an opportunity to heal as well as the victims families. Right now, that is my focus. I totally hear you on that. Its something we observe scrupulously every time. I say every time because ive been to more of these than i have probably been to anything else when it comes to news coverage. I think it is respecting the families. I do think it is part of the healing process. What they want most is to not see this again. What do you think of what president obama just said that we are fooling ourselves and were not caring about each other if we continue to ignore the role of guns in these crimes . Well, respectfully, chris, im not going to get involved in the gun debate at this point. Why am i pushing you on this, sheriff . Its not because i dont want to respect the victims. You weighed in on it in the past. I want to know if your perspective is different being knee deep in one of these situations. My position on it has not changed. You still believe its not about gun laws, its not about uniform background checks, none of those things would help, sir . Again, i want to stay focused on this investigation and the welfare of the community and the welfare of the families and the victims in this horrific incident. Im not going to waste the time today or any time in the real near future having the firearm debate. Sheriff, look, no one is going to fault you for that. Take care of your community. Take care of that scene. No one can ask for more than that. I will tell you, you should weigh in on this. It matters. It matters every time. The problem is, the conversation ends too soon. What direction it should go, we have to leave that to the collective. But its certainly a conversation to have, the earlier we have it, the better, because it gives us an opportunity to do something more. I respect your position on it. Take care of your community. Let us know how we can help, sir. Thank you. All right, sheriff, appreciate it. That community of roseburg, oregon shaken to its core by this shooting. What happened inside that school during the shooting . Well hear from a survivor, next. Before earning enough cash back from bank of america to take their act to the next level. Before earning 1 cash back everywhere, every time. 2 back at the grocery store. And 3 back on gas. 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President obama says the country has become numb to Mass Shootings that have become somewhat routine. Hes calling for a change to gun laws. We go to cassandra who was in the classroom next door. We know its been a long night for you. Its only 4 30 your time. How are you doing . Yes. Im not doing so good. Ive been better, obviously. Cassandra, what happened . Havent slept since tell us about when you were in your classroom and what you first saw and heard. It was just a normal day. All my classmates and i were just on the computer lab, on the computers, right next door in snyder 16. And we were doing our work and our teacher was just talking to us about what we were going to do today, how we were going to what was the plan for the day. And then my teacher actually left to go get some papers and then within five seconds later, we heard i heard a all my classmates and i heard a really loud noise. It sounded like a book being dropped or a table that fell down. So we all jumped, didnt know what it was. We asked this guy in our classroom. He said maybe its a gunshot. He said if its a gunshot, its going to echo. It was honestly pretty loud. So then this classmate of mine went out to the door and she stepped outside to go see the next classroom right next door and she when she came back in, the shooter shot her in the arm, the left arm, and the lower abdomen and she collapsed in front of the doorway. So then the doorway is open and her friend over there, we pull she pull the door open, locks it, turned off the light and then shes trying to do cpr on her friend as were all in panic mode at that point. Oh, my god, cassandra. Do you know what happened to that classmate that was shot . Did she live . Last i heard she wasnt but i dont know if thats correct or not. So you hear an incredibly loud noise. You dont know if its a balloon popping or a desk collapsing, one of your classmates gets up and she herself is shot by the gunman. Another classmate locks your door. What happens in your classroom . Did you all take cover . What happened next . Well, you know as a teacher i told you the teacher wasnt there. So we pretty much had to take control as students. We came together, we took control, barricaded into the right corner of the classroom and called 911 immediately. I tried to get 911 on the phone and the line was busy. I called repeatedly. They said are you calling from the Umpqua Community College Shooting . I said, yes, i am. Theres a woman shot in our classroom, can you please hurry. I called my mom right away. And i was just in panic. And i called my mom to tell her theres a shooting. She didnt understand me at first. I said mom, theres a shooting at school. I was just in complete shock. And you were on the phone with your mother as all of the next events unfolded. You stayed on the phone with your mother. Tell me what that conversation was like. You know, i tried to talk to her. It was just really hard. I was overwhelmed and terrified for my life at that point. I was saying a love you a lot to her. She was saying it back. It was an emotional time for both of us. My dad was also there, too. It was emotional for all of us at that point. Were you telling your mother what you were hearing and seeing and was she telling you what to do . She said to barricade the door, barricade the doors and get down on the ground. You know, im on the ground and im just afraid to get up. So we didnt barricade the door that he was you cant intent from inside the door. I was listening to what she was telling me to do. She was saying youre going to be okay, youre going to be okay. I was so terrified. Could you hear the gunman saying anything, cassandra . I couldnt hear him say anything. Theres a crack underneath the door. I saw footsteps and shadows it looked like. Thats what i saw. I honestly did not hear anything. I think i was too far away or i wasnt paying i was listening to the shots after shots after shots. Cassandra, the scene youre describing is so terrifying that even i am having a physical reaction just imagining what it was like for you. How did you and your classmates stay quiet while all of this was happening and hiding in your classroom . We tried to stay as quiet as we could. I was on the phone with my mom. I told her to talk to me. The gunman is either next door or somewhere nearby. And i was worried for all my classmates and my life. It was just horrific. How did you all know when it was safe to come out . Then i saw police i saw like a s. W. A. T. Person. They said they were yelling get down, get down to the shooter and then i heard a couple more shots and im assuming they shot him and then they tried they tried to come into our classroom. The door was locked. We opened the door frantically. They said the shooter is down, youre safe. Stay in here. We need your information, your name, number, phone number, address or what you saw or witnessed. Cassandra, do you know this gunman . No. I have never seen him in my entire life or my three years at ucc or anything in roseburg. Cassandra, we are so sorry that this happened to you and your classmates. Were so sorry for your loss. Thank you for telling us about everything you endured yesterday. Thanks so much for being on. Thank you. Lets get over to chris. That poor young woman and all her classmates. How many times have we seen faces like hers, blank and numb with the shock of what they had to find a way to endure and how savvy people are coming now that they have gotten familiar with the fact that this could happen and how they respond. The big question still remains why, why did this 26yearold person do this . Well speak swt formwith the fo president of the school about the impact and the need for change. Second his room is ready, ya know what he becomes . 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Your heart must be torn in two this morning. Well, michaela, thats correct. And you know, its difficult to put into words how i feel. Im very emotional about my role in this community. I love this community. There are no words to express what this has done to this community. There are no words. Im sure. Because i think were all struggling with this. We as journalists have covered this kind of story of Mass Shootings all too many times. I know there are too many communities and too many people just like youen stading the ens trying to make sense of this. There was a vigil last night. You were there, i understand. Is that the sense you get from everyone in roseburg, theyre just struggling to understand why and why roseburg . Well, you know, i was there at the vigil last night and one of the things that took me back, if you will, in terms of emotions, is how many people were there. There were hundreds of people there. The sentiments were pretty much the same. People were still in shock. I bet. And were struggling, as so many other communities have done, as you mentioned. Right. Weve covered this way too often. I wonder when this country will come to grips with the issues about guns and weapons and how people seem to take them, to take out their own anger and cause so much harm and so much danger and so much pain to the communities that were in. I understand that that was a real moment of debate on your campus last year. We know you have security personnel on your campus. But that there was a debate, a heated, a tough debate about whether to arm the security personnel on the campus of Umpqua Community college and the school opted to not do that. Give us a little insight. Do you think there are many regretting that now . You know, i cant speak to that, whether or not people regret it. It was my decision to begin the debate, because on campus we try and have an environment where people can express their own opinion. It was absolutely, you know, split right down the middle, 50 50. Interesting. In terms of whether or not we should have Armed Security officers or whether we should have unArmed Security officers. It was my decision, based upon, you know, the input that i took from faculty and staff and students to not have Armed Security. How do you feel about that decision now . I think it was the right decision. You know, when a shooter comes to a campus, if you will, he or she is going to do whatever amount of damage or carnage they can do in the first three to five minutes. So whether or not theres an Armed Security person there or not, really i dont think prevents that person from doing what they intend to do. Joe olson, we know that horrible, horrible incident happened in some ten minutes of terror. It is forever, forever going to change the lives of so many in your community and around our nation. We stand with you in roseburg today, sir, thanks for joining us. Thank you so much. I appreciate the opportunity to express my opinions. Chris, we stand with roseburg. We stand with all the other communities, newtown, youve talked about it, all the communities that have been affected. Question becomes what does it mean when you stand with them . That matters today and it matters even more so in the days to come. The question is what happens then . This campus this man was president of was one point a quiet little community, the next it was this. We have a witness to the massacre in our next hour of new day. Hear what its like to live through one of these. Get that urgency as to why we have to stop it. man hmm. What do you think . stranger good mornin store p. A. attention shoppers, theres a lost couple in the mens department. vo theres a great big unkhaki world out there. Explore it in a subaru crosstrek. Love. Its what makes a subaru, a subaru. Aftit gets pretty stuffy. 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Because you are a christian you are going to see god in just about one second and then he shot and killed them. I was terrified. I have never been more tear fied for my life ever. People running in every direction. Let me be very clear. I will not name the shooter. Hes got to have some kind of connection to that school somehow. Somehow this has become routine. Weve become numb to this. We have got to get the political will to do everything we can to keep people safe. Our thoughts and prayers are not enough. It is not enough. This is cnn breaking news. We want to welcome your viewers in the United States and around the world. This is new day. But we are dealing with something all too familiar. A small town in oregon now in the national spot, mourning nine victims as the countrys latest victims of mass shooting attachment gunman opening fire at the Umpqua Community college. And the president saying we have become numb to these shootings. Have we . This as investigators try to figure out why this 26yearold went on a rampage. Were there warning signs . And what about the reports he targeted christian students . We are also learning more about the victims. Anna is in roseburg for us. What have you learned . Well we can tell you that the college just behind me, just beyond these Police Vehicles is closed today. Investigators are still processing what is being described as an extensive crime scene. We also know there are about w. All looking for answers into what happened and why. In this small tight knit community rocked by this tragedy, were hearing more stories. Stories of horror from the students in the classes describing shot after shot after shot. Overnight the vigil for the victims of the Umpqua Community colleges deadly mass shooting. Disturbing new details coming from a father whose daughter was hit in the back by a bullet describing how to gunman targeting those who said they were christian. Are you a christian he would ask. And if you are a christian stand up. And he said good because you are a christian you are going to see god in just about one second. And then he shot and killed them. And he kept going down the line doing this to people. Thursday morning around 10 0030 a. M. 911 receives the first calls for help. Somebody is outside one of the doors shooting through the door. Oregon police say the 26yearold gunman was carrying body armor and loads of ammuniti ammunition. Enough for a prolonged gunfight. Into the classroom he opened fire shooting a teacher at pointblank range according to witnesses. Rapid fire over and over and over again. You could hear the people you could hear them moving and crying. I said to the teacher we need to get out of here right now. And then we heard the second and third gunshots. Within minutes officers swarmed the campus. Shots with him. Hes in a classroom. Exchanging gunshots right now with the male. Hes in a classroom on the Southeast Side of snyder hall. Is shooting began in snyder hall but didnt end there. Continuing his rampage into the science building. Casualties found in at least two different classrooms. I will not name the shooter. I will not gave him the credit he probably sought prior to this horrific act. The gunman shot dead at the scene. Reporter now the sheriff, the governor, the whole community wanting to keep the focus on the survivors and the victims. The bodies of the victims and the shooter were all taken to the medical examiner. We hope to begin learning some of the identities of these victims in the next few hours so we can share their stories. Allsyn. Thank you for that. Nine people were also wounded in the shooting at Umpqua Community college. For an update on that. Sanjay gupta is live in roseburg oregon. What do we know at this hour . I just spoke to the chief medical officer at the hospital here. We know they had about 15 minute notice before the ambulances started coming in. Were about five miles from the scene. Ten people originally brought in. Nine survived. One person actually passed away in the emergency room after actually arriving here just to give you a sense of what they were dealing with. They felt they were ready to take care of these patients. But obviously so many patients at once made this a mass casualty incident as they called it. Overwhelming number of patients. Know now there are three patients remaining here. Three transferred to another hospital. All suffered gunshot wounds to the head. Critical condition. They were all women between ages o 18 and 30. There were others treated and discharged. One patient here still in critical condition. The others are in serious to fair condition. So they remain optimistic that all the patients here that are still in the hospital are going to do well. One thing i should say, you know, it is a Small Community. This is a small town. Everyone knows each other here. And there is some direct relationships between some of the staff that were caring for the patients and some of the victims that came in yesterday. So just emotionally heart wrenching stuff. And it is still ongoing. Michae michaela. I think it shakes any of us that are from a small town like that. You realize. You drive by people on the road and look into the cars to see if you recognize people. Everybody is going to know somebody that is affected by this. Thanks for that update. We appreciate it. F. Now disturbing details are emerging from about this 26yearold shooter. Investigators are furiously trying to figure out a motive. What could have caused him to commit such a heinous act. Here is what we can tell you about him. We do know his name. And we are reporting hit. Hes 26, his name is Christopher Harper mercer. Two things link him to the college. One is a college email address. Another is a Theater Group at the college in which he is listed as the production assistant. We also know according to people spoken to by the New York Times, he military style clothing every day. He also had a very close relationship with his mother. His mauriotheauricother mother about five miles from the college. His father lives in welfare wv and earlier he spoke to the press. Devastating day. Devastating for me and my family. All i ask is i know you guys are here to do your job. All i ask is just respect our privacy. And so far you have done that. Is there surprise at all . Shocked is all i can say. Shocked indeed. The weapons he was using, three handguns. A shotgun. He went to two buildings. His online profile. He listed himself as lithium love. He talks about two recent shootings. Including one of the quote, when they spill a little blood the whole world knows who they are. The more people kill the more you are in theline limelight. He was talking about the gunman being alone and unknown until the tragedy. A visibly upset president obama admonishing the nation saying somehow these have become routine in the u. S. Calling for gun laws to stop the violence. Take a listen. Id ask the American People to think about how they can get our government to change these laws. And to save lives. And to let young people grow up. And that will require a change of politics on this issue. And it will require that the American People individually, whether you are a democrat or a republican or an independent, when you decide to vote for somebo somebody are making a determination as to whether this cause of continuing death for innocent people should be a relevant factor in your decision. If you think this is a problem then you should expect your elected officials to reflect your views. And i would particularly ask americas gun owners, who are using those guns properly, safely, to hunt, for sport, for protecting their families to think about whether your views are properly being represented by the organization that suggests it is speaking for you. And each time this happen, im going to bring this up. Each time this happens, i am going to say that we can actually do something about it. But were going to have to change our laws. And this is not something i can do by myself. Ive got to have a congress. And ive got to have state legislatures and governors who are willing to work with me on this. Well that was president obama expressing his deep frustration. And it sounds like resignation at some times about whats happened in oregon. We want to bring in now melanie bouquet, a student at Umpqua Community college. She witnessed the massacre and her husband sean joins us well. Thanks so much for being with us. We know it is 5 00 a. M. Your time and we know its been a long night. Melanie, how are you doing. Im doing okay. Physically im glad im okay. Mentally im stake shaken up and in kind of in disbelief. You were in the library at 10 00 in the morning when all of this unfolded. Tell us what you heard. I just heard a bunch of yelling. And i stood up to look, as anybody would, and saw a bunch of people running. Just a bunch of chaos right outside the door or right outside the window. So i heard a lot of people saying get out of the library. Another girl and i just stayed in there and hid. And why did you stay and hide under a desk instead of running out . You know honestly i have three kids to think about. And i didnt know where the shooter was. I didnt want to be a running target if he was right outside of where we were. I know that you heard people yelling shooter, shooter and lets get out of here. But you stayed and hid you should the desk. How long did you hide under that desk . I believe we were under the desk for at least an hour. Oh my gosh. And what was happening . What were you hearing . What were you thinking . I had heard some gunshots. I had heard people yelling right out from what sounded like right outside the library windows. Honestly i just sat under the desk and prayed. I didnt really know what else to do. Sean when you heard there was something terrible happening at the Community College and you knew your wife was there that morning, what happened on your end . Initially i just i texted her just to try to touch base with her. And eventually tried calling her a little bit later. And when she wasnt getting right pack to me it made me a little worried. But, you know, she eventually did. How long did you have to wait sean before you knew she was okay . I had probably pretty close to a half hour or so. And what was that half an hour like . It was nerve wracking. I hear guys talking about it. And everything going on. A few of them talking about how they couldnt get ahold of their loved one that was there. So hearing that and then realizing that my wife was there too and not being able to see her, you know, it was pretty nerve wracking. Did you think she was one of the victims . I was trying not to think about that too much. I was more or less waiting for the call and hoping and praying she does does call me back. Melanie you were under the deskase understa as i understan another student. Were you having a conversation . Were you talking to each other . She wasnt under the same desk. She was a row over. We could see each other but we werent speaking. We were just trying to stay invisible i guess is a good way to put it. Melanie, did you hear the gunman . Did you hear any talking . I had thought i did. Honestly im not really sure what i was hearing because there was so much chaos. I know i heard gunfire. And im having reason to believe that the gunfire was that coming from the Sheriffs Office and not the actual gunman himself. When did you realize that it was safe so go out . And how did you trust it was safe to get out from under the desk . We thought we heard all clear. And the other girl poked her head out and i looked and said is it clear . Is that what we just heard . She said i think so. So we got up together. And i saw out the side window where we were walking there were some officers and students standing in the grass. So we proceeded to the front of the library. And we both looked at each other and said were not comfortable going out there. We still dont know whats out there. So we went back to where we had seen the officers by where we had been hiding. And went out the emergency exit. So we knew there were officers standing by so we knew we were safe. And melody, you seem incredibly composed for having lived through this. But does this does this get, sort of, into your bloodstream and, you know, your dna . And how do you plan to be able to feel safe again and go back to school . Honestly, i dont know. I was a wreck yesterday. Im actually surprisingly composed this morning. I dont know. Just hearing somebody when i was at a church last night just pop a water container and hearing that popping sound just completely freaked me out. So honestly i dont know how this is going to go in the long run. Shawn, you took to facebook yesterday to try to process all of this. How do you make sense of what happened there in your town yesterday . You know, none of this ever makes sense no matter where its at. I mean, yeah i took to facebook because i know there are some media sites and pages on facebook they follow. And they generally are pretty up to date on whats going on. And so, you know, its so early on in the process whats going on you dont see this on the news on tv. Basically your message. What message did you want to get out there . I guess for somebody that wanted to do this, i mean i dont understand myself personally how you can get that way and be able to do what these people are doing. But you know, i mean its kind of hard really to say. You know, think about whats going on . Why do you need to involve people . And then of course message out to everybody involved, you know, were really sorry for anything that may have happened to you or your families. And you know we pray you can get by and heal through all this. Melody and shawn boqua. We pray that you will heal as well from the trauma of yesterday. Thanks so much for being on new day. Thank you. Our hearts are with them. Terrible thing to have a witnessed. Were going to get back to our breaking coverage of the shooting in oregon. First we want to give youen update on hurricane joaquin. The powerful category 4 has been lashing the bahamas. Even though some models say it may miss the eastern u. S. , we do know it is still expected to daump whole lot of rain. Give us the new forecast. Track it for us. What do we know . The forecast does keep it off shore for the u. S. The entire time. Moves it up towards atlantic, cl canada but really even missing that. How many times in your lifetime could you talk about the category 4 hurricane, 130 Miles Per Hour, 360 miles from miami and not really worry about it . I cant even think that ive ever thought about that in the 52 years ive been alive. 130 Miles Per Hour. But the suction of this low Pressure Center should crdraw i up and away from the u. S. If it doesnt and there are still computer models that say it may not get all the way over there. Then we could see some impact. I dont think were going to see wind impact. But were going to see flooding impact. All of this tropical moisture. And it is going to get sucked into the carolinas. Into the virginia, maybe even georgia. And that will cause flooding. An awful lot of rain. Up to 10 inches and ive seen computer models saying up to 15. How does this happen . How do you get up to 15 inches of rain . Well you have a significant Tropical Storm here. A low pressure system here f and it is going to suck all of this moisture and throw it onto the appalachian mountain chain and up the hill and the rain is going to come right down the mountains and through the rivers and into the cities that live along the rivers and we could see significant flooding this weekend. Well be here. I know you will chad and i appreciate youre following the models and there are no clear answers right way way and you take us through that and it is the nature of it. Also breaking over night, 11 were killed including six u. S. Service members and five civilian contractors when their military transport plane crashed in afghanistan at a jalalabad airport. Right near the pakistani border. The u. S. Military denies hostile fire was involved. The taliban claim they did it. 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He wants to. Hear his solution and why he says that solution is being frustrated. Ahead. Were back with more on the campus massacre. The numbers dont lie. The states with more. One congressman has been working tirelessly to push through Mental Health legislation to help families deal with tragedy before tragedy happens. Its been stymied virtually every step of the way. Joining us is pennsylvania representative tim murphy. You and i have come to be friends over this issue. And im sorry to once again have the exact same situation that brings us together all too often. What can you tell the American People about what common root causes are in these Mass Shootings are at least and what we are not doing to help stop them. What we are not doing and this comes from the legislative and executive branch. It gets pushed aside. And say lets look at this another week, another month, another year. And in the three years ive been working on this, hundreds of thousands of deaths from suicides, drug over doses, homicides, the slow motion death of all have occurred. They are even more discriminatory to those in minorities and in poverty. We have a federal system more interested in protecting peoples rights to be sick than hair rights to be well. We have a criminal Justice System more interested in putting people in prison than giving them hospital beds. We dont have enough providers or places for care. We spend and waste billions on absurd programs like making collages and the buying paints and the having websites with the sing along songs and refuse to even acknowledge that schizophrenia and bipolar illness exists. And then you have folks out there that say they dont ever want to be involuntarily committed you end up stymieing those laws that saying if someone is seriously ill and propensity towards violence because they dont have a involuntary commitment one step at a time. The first thing they say is not now, tim. Not now. Let the blood dry. Be there for the families. Dont politicize this. You say what many say and increasingly more are saying which is no, now is exactly the time. Explain that to those who say your wrong. Congress will probably have another moment of silence when we get back next week. And i like Many Americans will be sitting there extremely frustrated saying we dont need silence. We need action. And if americans want to do anything, they ought to pick up a approximate pen or go to a computer or pick up their phone and Call Congress and say move this comprehensive Mental Health legislation, hr 2646 helping families and Mental Health crisis act. Because once again congress will say, you know, weve got other priorities to work on. And again i put blames on both sides of the aisle. Leadership from top to bottom who push this aside. We ought that instead of saying maybe we think about this more, talk about this more. These family, these victims, they are hurting. They are in pain for the rest of their lives. They dont want people talking about the compromise and putting this off. They need action now. So i hope americans speak up. The families say dont let this happen to anybody else. The advocate, many healthcare advocate, specifically Mental Health part of healthcare say, woe, dont paint all the mentally ill with the same brush. Dont take their privacy rights. What about the hipaa laws you. Didnt tell people to get treatment. We dont want their records out there so people can review thesmt. We dont want any of this tim. Dont takes us down this road. And you know what, my legislation nor any legislation is going to take us down the road to take away peoples rights to privacy. But when you have federal laws that are set up that actually prevent families from helping and then blame families for not helping, that is perverse. When you have federal laws that say family members cant know when someone has an illness, when you have colleges that are more worried about being sued than notifying family members when there is a problem. When you have federal agencies that specifically pay for groups to go out there and take people out of hospitals and then block them from getting help that is the perverse problem. My legislation is supported by the American Psychological association. National alliance for Mental Illness. Mental health of america. Many programs out there doing it. Congress has to get offs its tough and deal with this comprehensive problem. We should all be incredibly frustrated but dont just be frustrated. Be vocal and Tell Congress to move this legislation. What are the obstacles . How can we ask questions to those who are stopping this process to see what it is thats motivating their recalcium trance. The recalcium trance comes in a low makers wants do but not understanding. Gee we dont want to take away someones rights to refuse treatment. Eont to take away their rights either. But they have a right to be well. Families are a right whether here in oregon now or issues in connecticut, or california. Those families had a right to see their children grow up. And those who were still alive, they had a right to go through life without dealing with trauma the rest of their life. That is where congress has to hear the voice of the American People and say stop squandering the opportunity. Stop delaying. Stop letting more people suffer in this. That is the key. America needs to speak up. Lets. Reporter lets use an opportunity about the worst in us and use it to bring out a opportunity in the best in us. Representative, tim murphy, as always good to hear you voice. Sorry it is on occasions such as this. Lets keep trying. What do you think about what the congressman said . Twees us using new day cnn. Or post your comment on facebook. Com new day. 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What would you like to see happen in terms of laws and legislatio legislation in your area . First, thank you for having me today. It is obviously difficult to put into the wards what our community is the dealing with with right now. As a policy maker obviously the first instinct is to start thinking how to do we flechbt in the future. But right now i just dont think its appropriate for officials to go into that. My concerns and my focus is on the families and the victims and making sure this community can somehow just pick up the pieces and start moving on with our lives. That is so vital and so important. Healing and comforting the victims and the victims families. But sir, we have also heard the governor of your state of oregon. We have also heard the sheriff of the county that roseburg was in both echo your sentiments and say now is not the time to talk about gun control legislation. Sir, with all due respect, if not now, when . It could be next week for all we care but right now the wound is still open and bleeding. You talk about my ties to this community. I drive by this campus literally every day of the week. My business is located five miles from here. My father and my parents house is located close by. So i go there frequently over the weekend. So this means everything to me. And this issue obviously will be addressed in a few short months when we go back up to the salem for the short session. Michaela the whole reason i took this interview is because i wanted to reach out to your folks and your audience and beg for your prayers. This as faith based community. A the solid community. It is not a joke. Half the town is related to each other. We love each other. Everybody knows everybody. E had a gentlemen that is a local Business Owner call me at 11 00 last night while still laying awake trying to convince myself this was just a nightmare. And told me one of miss managing employees wife us one of the victims. So even at that point ive already got a small connection to somebody thats a been a victim of this tragedy. And i respect that. I really do, representative. My point is and please know you do have our prayers. You do know that you have the prayers of the nation with you. But you also know as the man of faith as i know of a person of faith that faith, prayers without action is fruitless. We have to also act. So that is my challenge to you is to make sure that this does get dealt with in the weeks and days ahead. I will give that to you. Let me ask you more about the community. You know that obviously all of the people in the community are reeling from this. What are you hearing from the townspeople . Because i know as you mentioned everyone knows each other. Everyone knows someone that was touched by this. What is their reaction to this senseless tragedy . You know, frankly as i was Walking Around at the Prayer Service slash candle light vigil last night i didnt hear a lot of anger. I saw a lot of pain. I could hear the pain, the crying. But i could hear the hope and hoping for these people and praying for these people directly affected by this. This community, frankly, is not like a lot of other parts of the nation. It is certainly not more like the urban communities. The Rural Community of the roseburg and the greater Douglas County area. Were doers, were fighters. Were not victims. Im just im telling you im very blessed to be the representative of this community. Were looking on how we can improve our lives and how we can prevent this from happening in the future. But right now 24 hours havent even passed. I know. And when it comes to being in leadership im very disappointed in some of the National Figures that have been making comments on this situation considering how fresh it is. We dont even still have the full facts. When i met with the governor and other elected officials, when i was listening to john hanlin, the stats he gave me yesterday are different from the stats i heard over my ear piece when i was listening to you folks. As far as how many dead how many wounded. There are too many unknown facts. It is early stages. But you can also understand that so many of us are tired of being here again and that is the concern. We want to make sure this kind of thing does not happen. That is a challenge for you there in your community. And we say thank you to you for joining us today. Sthoox much for joining us. Do you have one i have one thing to say. Go ahead. We have a go fund me account i set up at 1 00 in the morning because i just could not sleep and i was like what do i have to do to help these people. Ucc victim relief at go fund me. Im begging people across the nation to help these folks in the healing process. We dont want anybody with a dead child or a dead spouse or a victim in the hospital to be burdened with the financial burden that is coming. Thank you. We appreciate it. Michaela. How could this happen again . This is always the question we ask after another senseless shooting. When we come back well discuss the politics of guns and stopping the violence. woman one year ago today mom started searching for her words. And my brother ray and i started searching for answers. vo when its time to navigate inhome care, follow that bright star. Because brightstar care earns the same accreditation as the best hospitals. And brightstar care means an rn will customize a plan that evolves with moms changing needs. woman because dad made us promise wed keep mom at home. vo call 8444brightstar for your free home Care Planning guide. San fwhile this parking loting lies still. Life, proposition d and mission rock will create a new neighborhood right here with 40 affordable housing, 8 acres of parks and open space, all connected to public transit, and generate 25 million a year in revenue for san francisco. Vote yes on d to turn this into this. The report iing my respoe here at this podium ends up being routine. The conversation in the aftermath of it. Weve become numb to this. The president clearly frustrated. But, you know, the question winds up getting turned back on him. What has he done about it . What have lawmakers done about it . About gun law, Mental Health, culture of violence that is almost uniquely american. Weve covered dozens of these. Yes the reporting is fresh. The investigation is new but surprises are unlikely. So lets discuss. We is senior politics editor for daily beast and cnn senior washington correspondent. Good to have you both. Lets start with this pliemry assertion. It is too early. Dont politicize this. Let them heal. We hear pretty the lawmakers more than anybody else. Is that a hedge or do you believe it is the right place to be . Very rarely are any Gun Legislation passed as a reaction to these sort of things. So yeah we hear that. Is it a hedge . Probably. But, you know, something that as the president said thats kind of become routine because there isnt a lot of political courage out there or political will to pass more Gun Legislation. Weve actually seen less gun restrictions even get more lenient in wake of sandy hook. So just for two prime examples that happened on new day. After the Lafayette Theater shooting in july, governor bobby jindal of louisiana was on new day. We asked about it. He said now is not the time to talk about it. We must let the healing begin. An hour ago we had the Oregon Governor, a democrat, kate brown on new day asked her what can change. What will you change . Now is not the time to talk about. When exactly is the right time for politicians to talk about these things . Great question. It is always delay. Never talk about it. The problem here is the president is right. He went through the litany of names of shootings that have really become, you know, one word touchstones of the horrors of our culture here from columbine, you know, to sandy hook to new town. But there is never a good time here. There has to be a conversation on both sides. Certainly the president ial campaign, the middle of a president ial campaign is also going to be not a good time to talk about this. So there is never a good time to talk about this. But yes the president deserves some of the blame for this. No question. He has not rallied the question behind this. Now he doesnt really have the standing to do so, if he ever did. The Republican Controlled Congress certainly is not going to take up this issue. So it is going to be on the voters. It is going to be on the American People to call upon their leaders to do something. Leaders go first, jeff. Allsyn has showing my nine different president ial candidates, tweets fw from them. Omalley, trump, huckabee, kasich, bush. All saying we pray for them. And only one saying we need to do something right now and ill do everything i can to achieve that. Thats hillary clinton. But look the case politically is this. Bobby jindal said not now. Have we heard anything since on this about what to do . What not to do . No. Of course not. Because the gun debate is going nowhere in this country. We know that. What about all the other elements . In Mass Shootings and again they are just a percentage of the gun violence we have in the country. But Mental Health is a constant refrain. And senator tim murphy we just had on. He cant get his bill pushed there. The culture of leadership gets almost no voice. The last time any kind of Gun Legislation was passed in was in 2007 after Virginia Tech. And president bush signed into law and one of the things that kid was added Mental Health records to the background check. But in a lot of states they havent done anything. They either dont have the funding and nothing has happened. So the laws are out there. And one of the executive orders that the president signed was encouraging states to update these laws state by state. But there isnt a consistency. And the other interesting thing is this year in april, the Pugh Research center has polling. People who think that gun rights are more important than further restriction on guns, it became more. 52 of people. Right. So the country even is more in favor right now for less gun for more gun rights rather that more restriction zwls the president came out and said there are 23 executive actions can take right here and now. I dont have to wait for congress and im going to do that. And they sounded great t the time. Make sure what jackie is talking about, have states coordinate more. But whats happened with those . Why havent they seemed to make a dent . It is a great question. I was thinking about that when i saw the president speaking last night. More frustrated. More angry than ive ever seen him in more than a decade of following him and covering him. But he did not mention his kmektive orders. So that is a question question for the white house today. To go through this check history will of 23 things. The reality is the executive actions he signed were largely window dressing. Lets set up a the Blue Ribbon Commission for this. Lets do this. They need new laws and Congress Needs to be involved in. This needs to be much more than the executive action. And. And they need to focus on a lot more than just guns. Thank you so much for that. Cnns coverage of the campus massacre continues after this short break with carol costello. vo making the most out of every mile. Thats why i got a subaru impreza. Love. Its what makes a subaru, a subaru. 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