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Weeks. A top general says the u. S. Did not call for air support until an hour after the firefight began. Many questions remain. The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general joseph dunford, said the pentagon owes victims of the family answers. Meanwhile, President Trump cant seem to let go of this condolence controversy with a gold star widow. The president disputing the widows account of his condolence call, which she says left her in tears. We have it all covered. Lets begin with cnns michelle kosinski, live in washington. Michelle . This is remark to believe see the chairman of the joint chiefs feel as though he had to get out and answer these dozens of questions, repeatedly saying that the public is owed more information. But there is still in basic questions that he cant answer yet. Things like where exactly were these troops when they came under attack . Were they wearing body armor . How many u. S. Troops searched for Sergeant La David Johnson . And we are now three weeks after it happened. Americas top general providing some answers, but not many. Detailing a revised timeline of the ambush in niger that killed four american troops. We owe you more information. More importantly, we owe the families of the fallen more information. Reporter october 3rd, 12 members of a u. S. Special Operations Task force leave the capital of niger with 30 nigerian troops. Their goal, a Reconnaissance Mission in a village about 53 miles north. The assessment by our leaders on the ground at that time was that contact with the enemy was unlikely. Reporter but the next day, on their way back to the capital, midmorning, they came under fire by around 50 local fighters with ties to isis, carrying small arms, machine guns, and rocketpropelled grenades. Nbc reports u. S. Officials are looking into whether the militants were tipped off by someone in the village. The special forces team engaged in a firefight for about an hour before requesting help. Within minutes, a u. S. Drone was overhead. French jets were scrambled, but took another hour to arrive to the remote location. I dont know that they thought they needed support prior to that time. I dont know how this attack unfolded. I dont know what their initial assessment was, of what they were confronted with. Reporter the french did not drop bombs. U. S. Officials said friday the pilots had the authority, but could not readily identify enemy forces and did not want to risk hitting u. S. Or nigerian allies. It was evening by the time the french could evacuate the injure and bodies of the dead americans. But it remains unclear how Sergeant La David Johnson became separated from the group and why it took two days to locate his body about a mile away. Did the mission of u. S. Forces change during the operation . Did our forces have adequate intelligence, equipment, and training . Was there a premission assessment of the threat in the area accurate . Reporter this as a white house official confirms to cnn that the administration expedited condolence letters to families of Fallen Soldiers after President Trump made this remark last week. Ive written them personal letters. Theyve been sent or theyre going out tonight, but they were written during the weekend. Reporter the following day, the president going a step further, making this false claim. I have called, i believe, everybody, but certainly, ill use the word, virtually everybody, where during the last nine months something has happened to a soldier. Ive called virtually everybody. Reporter an email exchange between the wohite house and th pentagon, first reported by roll call, shows that the president s aides knew these remarks were not true. The aides rushing to learn the identities and Contact Information from the defense department. Among those who have been calling for more information and concerned about the lack of it is senator john mccain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services committee. And now we know the pentagon will give his committee a classified briefing this thursday. Chris and alisyn . Michelle, thank you very much. Joining us now are cnn political analyst and White House Correspondent for the New York Times, maggie haberman, and her alone. She has so many sources, we speak about her in the collective. You are a panel in and of yourself. Thats what it said, thats what you are. Ill put my glasses on and ill run to that side. An apple is an apple, you are a panel. Wow. So let me ask you this question, this beguiling question that only you can answer. This is a situation where the president could have instant high ground and say, what just happened in niger, were going to find out what happened and then you in congress, you better own your duty and start debating whats happening militarily. Im not a big fan of getting involved all over the world. Thats what i campaigned on. Weve got people all over the place, advise and assist missions, where they could die like this. Do your duty. Instead, he wont let go of the feud with wilson. Why . What is the calculation . I think we have asked that version of that question every three weeks or so for the last two years. And the answer is, this is who he is. He has consistently since taking office, we saw this during the campaign, there was an open question of, is this going to change when he becomes president . But it hasnt. He confuses himself with the institutions he serves repeatedly. Youre seeing that now. He is taking the criticisms of how he handled this phone call with this military widow very i understand why hes taking it personally, because the criticism from the congresswoman was personal. However, most politicians, most president s would say, this is not a fight im going to engage in. It is not just the president , however. And you talked about this earlier on the show. It is also his chief of staff, john kelly, who has engaged pretty wholeheartedly in this fight. So the president is not backing down, because hes getting some sense of support from his own staff. I think its really important to remember, when you look at how this white house functions, you have a lot of people working there who all feel under siege. They go to work every day not feeling entirely safe because they never know what version of the presidency theyre going to be dealing with. And because of that, they tend to view attacks, however legitimate, however legitimate the criticism, as attacks on all of them. And i think that you have a white house that is a little split on this. There is more sympathy for the president internally than you might imagine. And so on the larger issue of niger, not just the back and forth with the congresswoman and sergeant johnsons widow, are they focused on this at the white house . Do they think that what happened in niger is a big problem . I mean, theres no collective they, again, as we know. Its a bunch of different fiefdoms. They do recognize this is a huge issue and something that they need to contend with. Its also a separate issue from the question of the president calling relatives of those who died in the line of fire. That is what this issue has morphed into publicly. There is a separate and really significant questions, equally significant, if not more, as to what exactly happened, how quickly answers can be gleaned, and were seeing and is not uncommon with an incident like this, not that quickly. Well, it must be said that the president created this first issue about condolences. Sure. That did not exist. Thats right. The timing existed. And the president s i dont know if this is conscious, but his not mentioning isis as who did this that, i think, is conscious. It is conscious. Why . Because, look, for the same reason and this comes up repeatedly, where we wonder and many people have wondered why it is that the president doesnt do more to acknowledge those who have died in military service during the course of his tenure, because i think that he sees it as, a, an elevation of an enemy. And i think that there is you can have a longer argument about that or conversation about that. But i think that he also sees it as some acknowledgement of weakness or failure on his part. So you dont think hes saying, isis did this, not because they dont believe that, in fact, because everybody seems to agree that these are isis affiliates, but that theres a perception of weakness in the president s mind . I think that there is a danger in acknowledging this. And again, i think that depending on who you talk to in that white house, youll get different answer as the to why it is that he is not saying it, but i think that that is certainly a component. So that moment, where general john kelly, chief of staff, went to the podium and talked about his son, as well as talked about sort of ginned up, frankly, the continuing back and forth with congresswoman wilson, was he john avalon was on earlier, and he was saying how unfortunate it was that john kelly was pushed out. I heard you disagree with him. I dont think he was pushed out. And to be clear, what john kelly gave up in service of country is enormous. His pain is unfathomable. It is impossible for me as a parent to imagine losing a child. So i cannot imagine what he went through. And i think that all of us found or many of us found his description of what families go through to be very moving. But i think but thats separate from what he said about the congresswoman, which included some things that were not accurate. About something she had say in 2015, for instance. My understanding, from what happened, is he was frustrated and surprised by the president for invoking his son. I think the president look, john kelly is the one who has prepped the president , right . So the president is, as we know, he used to be called on the campaign a parrot. Hes not always a tremendously skillful parrot. So sometimes he will repeat half of something. Thats what we found. The words that john kelly shared were the words that he told the president. Right. And to be fair to the president , in a different context, i could hear other president s saying, look, he knew what this job demands. Essentially, thats what he was saying. Its just that it sort of spiraled out of control in this case. But i dont think that john kelly was acting against his will at all. I think we see ample proof of that. The intrigue about what he knew about whether his son was going to be used or not, there is almost no percentage or analysis of that, because its just pain. And he has 100 right to deal with that any way he wants personally. Correct. I completely agree. What he doesnt get the same cover on is what he did in that press conference. Thats right. Which was create alternative facts about the nature of wilsons presence on the call, this was demonstrably false, we know it, because the widow says it, and she cannot be questioned about whether or not wilson was allowed to be on the call and the empty barrel stuff was factually inaccurate in terms of how it had happened and revealed an animus of his own towards wilson that doesnt need any pushing by the president. That was all kelly. Number one, in terms of what he said about wilson listening in on the call, he was listening in on the call, too. If he wanted to criticize her about talking about the call, thats a different issue. The second that somebody who has been in the partisan fray does Start Talking about this, it does give it a different patina. By the way, that would have been a fair criticism. Because she did talk about a private call. And thats a different criticism. Thats not what he said, number one. The second issue is in terms of him going after her. We heard Sarah Huckabee sanders say from the podium, i think from the next day, if you want to challenge a fourstar general, thats up to you. Thats not what this country is about. Generals fight for the right of citizens in this country to question their military. And when john kelly went out, he was acting as a chief of staff. So what i would say to the second point is that there is a desire, i think on the part of critics of the president to act as if everybody who does who works for him or who does something in the service of this white house, is doing it essentially at gunpoint. John kelly is a lot more conservative than i think a lot of people realize. He was very supportive of the president S Immigration policies when he was at dhs. I think there are aspects of this president that he supports. And i think that life is complicated. So i think everybody turns these things into a binary. Theyre really not. Well, i appreciate that. And there was another bit of kn nuance im interested if you have any perspective on. When he said, i used to believe that some things were held sacred. Women in this country used to be sacred. Look where we are now. And then he said, gold star families used to be sacred, but then look at what happened at the convention. Was that a was he i do not a jab at the president or overlooking what the president has done on those two fronts . I think john kelly has a choice every day which is essentially, how do i figure out how to contain Donald Trumps tweets, for a lack of a better way of putting it. And he went out and said things that the president himself feels, because the president does not cast an internal eye at what he has done. I think that was entirely about the democrats. And look, there has been a fair amount of criticism for the way that democrats used khizr khan as essentially a surrogate going into the fall. We have heard that before. The bit about women, i wasnt really sure what they was referring to, but i dont think that was trying to jab the president. Thats helpful. Maggie, thank you. The big concern coming out of it is what they were wrong about. Especially if youre going to go at the brwidow of a service meb who just died in service, you better get your facts right. Maggie, thank you so much. You are a great panel. Thank you. President trump is heading to capitol hill today. Hes trying to sell his tax plan. But more importantly, hes trying to get on the same page with gop senators and remind them, theyre supposed to be on the same team. Can he get it done . Cnns joe johns live at the white house with more. Joe . Reporter good morning, chris. The president headed to capitol hill to participate in the Traditional Senate tuesday policy luncheons. He has a clear message for republicans in the senate, as well as the house, pass a tax bill or go down to likely defeat in next years midterm elections. Hes also indicated that he wants to fast track the bill and get it on his desk by thanksgiving, which would be an extremely heavy lift. In part because all of the ways to pay for at least part of this bill seem to keep coming off of the table. The president has indicated he wants to protect 401 k plans. He said that in a tweet just about 24 hours ago. Heres the tweet. There will be no change to your 401 k . This has always been a great and popular middle class tax break that works and it stays. Now, there had been talk around the hill of reducing the pretax amount of money workers can save in their 401 k s as a way to pay for this bill, as required by senate rules. But it doesnt seem the case, at least according to the president. Theres also heartburn on capitol hill about getting rid of other deductions, iluding the mortgage interest deduction, which is so popular around the country. Alisyn, back to you. Okay, joe, thank you very much. So members of congress say they want answers about what went wrong in niger, but what did they know about the mission . Well ask two of them, next. Tal . What kind of sorcery is that . Its not the magicwand kind. Its the rfidcollarand internet of thingskind we created with chitale dairy. So every cow can let farmers know how she feels and what she needs to be healthier phone vibrates all with a simple text. Tahdah. Magic cant make Digital Transformation happen. But we can. Thats the power of vmware, part of dell technologies. 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Relief and remission within reach. The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff providing new details and an updated timeline on the ambush that killed four u. S. Soldiers in niger. New revelations raise a lot of new questions and lawmakers want answers. So joining us now is congressman will herd of texas. Hes a member of the intelligence and Homeland Security committees. Thanks for being here. Always a pleasure. Because you were undercover in the cia for almost ten years, you bring a very unique perspective. Did you know what was happening in niger . Did you feel you knew what the mission was and you had enough information . I didnt know what happened beforehand, but i shouldnt have. Im not an operational or a tactical planner. And tii think this focus, individual members of congress shouldnt know about individual, you know, activities. Theres probably thousands of individual movements that the military is involved in every single day. And if congress thinks that we should be part of the operational planning, i disagree with that. Now, our role is in oversight function is to make sure everybody had the right training, tools, that were they getting the right intelligence before the activity. And i think general dunford, yesterday, outlined a number of the questions that the military still has and is looking into this case. And i think this is a perfect example of how thousands of our citizens, our men and women, are putting themselves in harms way every single day to keep us safe. And the world is a dangerous place. And are you comfortable with that . Some of what this niger episode has revealed is that americans are in places that most americans dont know they are and wouldnt be able to identify the mission. Are you comfortable with what was happening in niger and the fact that we now know that 800 troops were there . Im comfortable that our military planners on the ground have the troop strengths around the world that they need. I want to make sure that, you know, this is one reason i supported a recent budget to increase the amount of money going to our men and women in the military, to make sure that they have all the tools in their tool kit that they have robust intelligence. And i think, you know, a review of this type of operation, you know, what we find out, were some things lacking . And i dont know if there was or not. And can we make sure that we get the support to our men and women in the military. The one thing i do know. There are a number of terrorist groups that have metastasized to all parts of africa. While most of the media and the attention has been on isis over the last couple of years, al qaeda is still a real threat. Al shabaab is still a real threat. And so, we have to make sure that were following these organizations as they metastasize around the world and that the military plays a key piece in that. Congressman, what about what weve been talking about on this show so much for the past few days. That is the aumf, the authorization for the use of military force. Is it time for congress to really take responsibility for all of these different battles around the world, that were now seeing our people fight . Well, i would disagree with the premise of your statement. We have taken responsibility for this. Congress has acted on a number of occasions and since ive been in congress for 2 1 2 years in funding the military at higher levels in previous years, i think we all recognize the threat and have given the right authority to the last administration, as well as this administration. But help us understand that. So are you equating funding with a reauthorization of the aumf . Which hasnt been authorized, as you know, congress hasnt fully taken responsibility for since 9 11 . Well, an authorized use of military force is not, you know, is not the only way to take responsibility for activities overseas. Supporting our military with training and funding is one way to do that. Making sure administrations, past and present, have the tools they need in order to do their job. And if changing a piece of paper that says terrorist groups in general all around the world, yes, can this debate happen . And these debates are ongoing. This is something that has been debated for the 2 1 2 years that ive been in congress. But whats the holdup . Why not just authorize that . Because, again, in my opinion, were providing the support that the military needs and the Administration Needs in order to make sure that the threats that we cover the threats around the world. I was in the cia when 9 11 happened on september 12th. I was in the unit that prosecuted the war in afghanistan. And then, if you would have told me that there would not be another major attack on the homeland for 16 years, i would have said you were crazy. But the reason we have seen that is because the men and women in our military, our intelligence services, our diplomatic core, and law enforcement, are still protecting our homeland. And theyve gotten the support from congress in order to do their job. Congressman, on a separate topic, ive been reading your twitter feed, and you seem to be very fired up about cybersecurity. Let me read for everybody what last week you said. Who is is the equivalent of the knave s. E. A. L. S when it comes to Cyber Protection . Thats what i want to know. So, what are you worried about . Well, im worried about a number of things when it comes to the cybersecurity. What is a digital act of war and what is our response to that. We know what an act of war is. You know, the u. N. Even says, if you manipulate the utility grid, thats an act of war. But the russians did that to the ukrainians a number of years ago. What was the response . If that were to happen here in the United States, what would our response be . The response doesnt always have to be a digital response. It could be a physical response. Two summers ago, i was saying, when we were learning about russian activity in our elections, i was saying back then, lets at a minimum kick the Russian Ambassador out of our country. So we have some very basic questions on what our response is going to be. And also, does the federal government have the tools in order to and do they have the flexibility to integrate tools to defend our Digital Infrastructure and to protect american citizens information . And thats why as a chairman of the i. T. Subcommittee, were focused on a number of these issues. See, because it feels like, when i read your tweets, it feels like youre trying to sort of take us and shake us into waking up, about this threat. And so are you saying that congress and the white house are not taking this seriously enough . People understand the problem. I think obm, the opm breach of i guess it was two years ago now, was something that everyone woke up. The fact that most americans even though what opm is, is an indication of that problem. If you look at the most recent issue with the equifax breach, the millions of americans that were impacted by this, at no point did they ever opt in to give their information to equifax. So one of the problems that we have is when you create legislation, it takes some time and in an increasingly evolving and technical world, its been hard to keep up with this. But i think this administration, the last administration, this congress, has been focused on this. And i do believe that cybersecurity is one of the last issues that is truly bipartisan here in washington, d. C. And this is something that my ranking member, that we Work Together very well on. Okay. Congressman will hurd, thank you very much for your perspective on all of this. Thank you. Chris . All right, so, here, a question here is whether the niger ambush that killed four u. S. Soldiers and injured others will Push Congress to reauthorize military operations overseas. And it wouldnt be reauthorizing, it would be initially authorizing. They havent done anything about this since 9 11. You just heard a Republican Congressman say he doesnt think its really necessary. That theyre already supporting troops the way they need to. Well ask another member, this time a member of the Senate Armed Services committee, what they think. Next. Were facing 20 billion security events every day. Ddos campaigns, ransomware, malware attacks. Actually, we just handled all the priority threats. 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Soldiers and injured others in niger nearly three weeks ago. The pentagon says its going to brief members of the Senate Armed Services committee on thursday in a classified briefing. Lets discuss the specifics and what niger says about our larger military strategy with senator gary peters of michigan. He is a member of that committee. Senator peters traveled to west africa just this past august as part of a congressional delegation. Good to have you on the show, sir. Great to be with you, chris, thanks. So specifically with the niger ambush, what are your concerns at this point . Well, i just think we need to have more facts of what happened, what went into that mission before the mission left the area and went into hostile territory. What sort of intelligence backed up that mission. It sounds as if it was a surprise that at least some of the indications that weve heard is that folks didnt think there would be any kind of aggression involved in that kind of mission. But i think we need to know, precisely, what went into the planning of the mission, what was the objective of the mission, and then, was there adequate support provided to those folks on the ground . We know the french did respond with aircraft, but it took quite a bit of time to respond. Its questions of when they called for that support, when it came. I think there are a lot of specific questions that members are going to want to ask. Senator, are you a member of the who knew coalition . Senators who say they werent told, that they didnt know about what was happening in niger and troop levels. Not as of august. Im saying that, obviously, you better know. You were just there in the region being briefed, but do you understand the senators who are saying, yeah, i didnt know . Well, ill say, there has not been a lot of briefing of whats been happening in west africa. You know, weve been focused, and i sit on the Armed Services committee, but a great deal of the work that we do relates to whats happening in north korea, whats happening in iraq, whats happening in afghanistan, so theres no shortage of things that we have to deal with. In fact, when i came back from nigeria and the briefing that i received, i thought at that time, my colleagues arent really aware of whats happening here in west africa, we need to have a briefing. I talked to the chair of the subcommittee that i sit on and hopefully were in the process of actually having a more specific briefing of whats happening in the Northwestern Region of africa, but it impacts what happens in niger as well as chad. Back in march, general wald hausser gave a briefing on what was going on in niger and the mission. Were you there for that . It was a broader briefing about a variety of topics. But they did give details in that briefing about what was happening there. So members of the committee should have been aware . I think members of the committee are aware, but but they say theyre not aware. That they didnt know what was going on and thats why mccain is very exorcised about this. Well, i think we need what we need to have is a much deeper briefing, i think, is the point that senator mccain is making and hes talking about a broader discussion of the aumf, which i believe we need to have. We need to have that kind of broad discussion of whats happening in west africa. Thats why we need to have a deep dive in this. We have not had the kind of deep dive ive been comfortable with. When i heard the briefing there, it opened my eyes to the threat there. And it is a growing threat that we should be aware of, but members of Congress Need to know that. And i think that leads to the broader discussion, that we have to have discussions about when we are deploying United States Service Members overseas in dangerous missions. We have to understand that. And understand, it is an obligation for all of us in congress to be thinking about this. And more importantly, debating it. Now, congressman will hurd out of texas, republican, was just on the show. And he says, no, you guys do support the military, because you fund the operations. So its there. But i think theres a larger kind of support that is absent, which is what youre talking about, which is the debate, which everybody says they want to have, but you never have. And thats why you have the same aumf that youve had since 2001, 2002, if you count the iraq war. I want to play for you what will hurd said about why hes not a big fan of needing an aumf debate. Well, you know, an authorized use of military force is not, you know, is not the only way to take responsibility for activities overseas. Supporting our military with training and funding is one way to do that. Making sure administrations past and present, have the tools they need in order to do their job. See, heres the problem. Youre giving them the money, arguably. I know that many in the pentagon and the military would argue with that and say youre not giving them enough money, but thats a side point. You dont own the political reality of these decisions. Because you dont debate it, you dont vote on it, and youre not on record about it. And it seems to me, thats why there is no debate, because, senator, with all due respect, you, every lawmaker we have on this show, says, yeah, yeah, weve got to get after this. Except will hurd. Hes really the only one ive heard that he doesnt think its that important everybody else says, its very important. But it never happens. Why doesnt it happen . And ill agree with you, it has to happen. It should happen. And i guess from the previous comments, its true we support our military. We are the appropriators to make sure that they have the resources. But you just cant write a blank check. To me, thats not responsibility. Thats not really functioning as the congress should, which is an oversight. And the congress has the Constitutional Authority about putting the United States into war situations. Right, and yet you punt. And thats what i dont understand. It seems to me what you call in politics a ham and egg situation. The money is teghe eggs. A chicken can give eggs. But when a pig has to give ham, thats a different situation. Thats a sacrifice, not a contribution. And you dont want to have this debate, because, quid pro demonstrateo, you dont want to have the debate. Do you think these lives are enough to stop giving away power to president s . This isnt all on President Trump, senator. Hes new there. These troops were put there by president obama. You gave him the power that he wanted. You gave bush the power that you wanted. But it was your power and you could argue it wasnt yours to give away. Do you think well see a real debate here this time . I certainly hope so. And you say we havent taken a vote. We did. As you know, there was an amendment to repeal the aumf and start with a fresh discussion, that just occurred last month. I was one of those individuals that voted for that. But it didnt happen. Well, there were 30 of us. We have to get to over 51. Why . Why are they holding out . I cant speak for others, as to why they wont want to do it. But it may be for the reasons that you mentioned, that if you arent voting for it, then youre not on the hook. And thats irresponsible. Its not what we should be doing here in congress. Its why i voted the way i did. I hope we get another 20plus colleagues in the senate to vote with me and the others, who believe that we need to have this kind of discussions. And certainly, after this tragic incident. And our heart goes out to the families who had a very tragic loss in niger and the American People deserve to have answers. Those folks who serve in the military every day, as well as the public, as to where our activities are. And it should be up to the pentagon to make this case to members of congress as to why were there and then make sure that we buy in and have support, if thats something that we believe we should do. And you know, i want to say, these are very dangerous places. And being in nigeria, there is some serious challenges that the Nigerian Government that thas t with. We dont want to have safe places where terrorists can operate. But its the ultimate speedometer responsibility of places like nigeria and chad to be able to enforce the rule of law in their country. And we can be very helpful in providing resources, particularly intelligence resources, which is why we have the drone base there to try to provide more information realtime to folks on the ground. But were seeing the reality now. As you saw when you were there, we call it advise well, we dont. You guys call it advise and assist. And it makes it seemingly be benign. And we keep being told, well, u. S. Troops arent the ones out in front. Well, theyre dead now. And theyre dead because they were out in front. They were in an ambush and they were doing advise and assist and it was an intel mission. So it aint safe. It should be debated and it should be laid out and you should be on the record. I hope, senator, youre one of the senators that owns this initiative. I know youll get political cover, because the media and the left and the right would much more talk about the feud between the trump and congressman wilson. But its hard to say these families are respected when theyre not respected enough to have this debate. Senator, thanks for being on the show. Well stay on it and ill check with you on a regular basis. Appreciate it. Alisyn . All right, bill oreilly is back in the news and hes fighting back calling reports about a 32 million Sexual Harassment settlement a smear campaign. 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Cnns Brian Stelter is here with more. It just continues. As i said yesterday, the plot sickens, because it just continues every single day, there are new developments. The 32 million settlement is so jawdropping, of course it begs the question, what evidence could possibly be worth 32 million . Right. We know that there were emails that she had with oreilly, bafferback and forth, that she was citing, text messages. This raises the idea, was there video, audio, something else. Gretchen carlson, when she received that 22 million settlement in the roger ailes case, she had audiotapes. So she had compelling evidence. But in this case, it may always be a mystery why he was willing to pay 32 million. He says this was a hit job, people were out to get them. Why would you pay 32 million if it were all false accusations . I cant figure out the answer for that. I think he wants to blame the messenger, attack the media instead of taking responsibility. People pay settlements to avoid scrutiny that they believe they cant escape. That they cant prove the nonexistence of a fact. Sometimes theres a reason thats practical. 32 million speaks to one of two things. One, what youre talking about, is evidence or just having such an immensely deep pocket because of the money that he has and a little bit of relative, right . If you can dont have the money, you cant pay the 32. He was able to. But the larger thing is where is bills head at on this. Hes not saying it didnt happen. Hes saying that people outing him is politically motivated. And if it is, good because they should be part of our political dialogue thats been ignored too long. Megyn kelly was talking about it on her show. Do we have sound of that. Thats right. Lets take a look at that. Oreillys suggestion that no one ever complained about his behavior is false. I know because i complained. This must stop. The abuse of women, the shaming of them, the threatening, the retaliation, the silencing of them after the fact, it has to stop. Your take . She is one of the highest profile examples of someone who was harassed by roger ailes of fox, who has been able to speak publicly about it, because, remember, some of the women who were harassed by ailes and who were allegedly harassed by oreilly, they received these confidential settlements so they were not able to speak publicly. Its significant when someone like megyn kelly can do so. And the ailes conflict is 15 months old and still being talking about today. Theres this Ongoing Investigation of fox news. Who knows what the department of justice will do. Theyre on tv over there hammering on harvey weinstein, who deserves to be called out, but they have their own situation to deal, and theyre awfully quiet on it. Whether its alisyn, megyn, gretchen carlson, these are highprofile women. How about the ones that dont . How many of them havent been able to say anything because theyre afraid and we hope the conversation helps them, as well. The more we talk about it, the more it helps. Thanks, brian. So our next guest worked in washington as president reagans senior policy analyst. What does he think about President Trumps tax plan . Is it really about the middle class . Were beginning to ask him, next. Rizon and google have teamed up on the pixel 2. Its a match made in tech heaven. Its like verizon is the oil and google is the balsamic. No, actually they separate into a suspension. Its more like the google pixel 2 is the unlimited storage. And verizon is the best unlimited plan. What if its like h2 and o . Yeah. Thats right. I had a feeling that would score with you guys. Good meeting. avo when you really, really want the best get the pixel 2 for up to 300 off on googles exclusive wireless partner, verizon. It can transform a frogng. Into a prince. But it cant transform your business. 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You were one of the brains behind the reagan tax cuts, and you are saying the republicans have been relying on that model for all of these decades and you now believe correct me if i am wrong, the idea that tax cuts will always suppur growth is a myth . Yeah, its economics. You have to see what is appropriate under these particular circumstances. Why do you think it worked with reagan and not so well now . Who says it worked so well . The growth was uneven. You had a bigger growth before the rich and the middle class, so where was the success . There were other things going on besides cutting taxes, and you had slashed interest rates, and the defense build up, which hardly anybody talks about, but that was a powerful spur to economic growth. The tax cut was just one of many elements, and yet in the decade of the 1980s, overall growth was less than in the 1970s, or 1990s, after taxes were increased. Bill clinton raised taxes and growth was the highest after that. When bruce talks about their being a complexity to the economic landscape, thats true, because he had thedot calm bubble. Just recently during the george w. Bush administration, we had tax cuts annually, and that was the west economic year for the eight years. Well, they especially want to get rid of the estate tax. So republicans feel obliged to give it the old college try. Sounds good, too. You dont want a tax cut . Not if it doesnt work. For you it will work. If you are a middle class family, if you are a worker making somewhere around 70,000, you hear you are going to get a tax cut, you are happy. You hear the guy that is making 700,000, you are still happy because you are still tkweting a tax cut. The middle class doesnt pay enough taxes to get a big enough tax cut to make that much difference. Thats why the administration is trying to sell the idea that your wages will go up, because thats the only way that they can really Show Companies have rarely been holding as much cash as they are now, and wages are not going up the way they expected. We had a tax reform in 1986 that all economists agree was good tax reform, far better than what we are likely to get now. Wages fell for ten years after that legislation was enacted. I want to get to your book the truth matters. We agree. We believe in facts first, and i hear so many people every day saying theres a deluge of information, and i dont know who to trust. What is your answer to that . Theres not a simple answer. The average person knows hneedsw how sausage is made. As we know the Communications Director didnt know, and we need to know more about how news is made, and how some things in the past they could have assumed, well, the journalist know this stuff and i dont need to know it. Its going to involve critical thinking. Where can people find wroer book . It should be available as of today. I like the size. I am a big fan of little books. I am more likely to read it because i am not as intimidated. Very digestible and valuable. Thank you. Thank you for speaking truth this morning. Always welcome. Were following a lot of news this morning, so lets get right to it. What was the mission . Why was there a lack of support . We do owe the American People transparency, and we plan to deliver just that. Enemy contact was not likely. The foreign Services Committee is not getting enough information. I want answers, most importantly for the families. The president and congress are laserfocussed on making sure the middle income wage earners benefit. Sitting down with senators for tax reform. They are doomed to fail if they do not make it a bipartisan effort. Good morning, and welcome to your new day. Its tuesday, october 24th. Now 8 00 in the east. We have new details about the ambush that killed four american soldiers in niger and injured others just three weeks ago. Americas top general now says the u. S. Special forces did not call for help until after an hour after the fire flight with the islamic terrorists began. Did an intelligence failure lead to the deadly attacked . And meanwhile, President Trump has not let go of the condolence call controversy with the goldstar widow, and donald trump is disputing the call with the widow that she says left her in tears. Here we have the chairman of the joint chiefs. Obviously hes feeling the need to get out and answer questions, making a point to answer all of the questions and repeatedly saying the public is owed more information. But at the same time there was so many basic questions he could not answer, things like where exactly were these troops when they came under fire. Were they wearing body armour . We are three weeks after the