Transcripts For CNNW New Day With Alisyn Camerota And John Berman 20190405

The president is heading to the u. S. mexico border today, the same border he threatened to shut down just days ago. The president is now backtracking on that threat. Listen to the president last week and then listen to him yesterday. Im telling you right now, we will close the damn border. Theres a very good likelihood that ill be closing the border next week. Well give them a one year warning and if the drugs dont stop or largely stop, were going to put tariffs on mexico and if that doesnt stop the drugs, we close the border. I dont think well ever have to close the border. All right. This comes just days after the president retreated on health care electing to punt the issue until after 2020. He still has not retreated on the fact that his father was not born in germany. As the president reverses course again, the democrats want to still see the secret Mueller Report and the president s still secret tax returns. Jerry nadler is demanding the Justice Department produce all communications between the attorney general and the special counsel. This comes after reports that some members of the mueller team told associates that the attorney generals summary of their work did not convey how damaging the findings were for the president. House democrats have also demanded six years of the president s tax returns, the New York Times reports the president asked Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell to prioritize a confirmation vote for his nominee to be the head lawyer at the irs and that request is raising questions about the timing and motivation. Did he do it because he wanted his guy there in case democrats went after his taxes . All right. Lets bring in jeffrey toobin, former federal prosecutor and cnn chief analyst and Michael Smerconish and susan glasser, staff writer for the the new yorker. You can read her new piece called the witchhunt lives. Its not an fword so you dont know how to pronounce. Jeffrey, i want to start with you. I was asking you, what do you think the biggest deal is this morning given everything thats going on and with all the smoke, with all the flipflops, with all the fighting you still say its the Mueller Report. I do. This is 300 pages of material about one of the most significant scandals in american history. So much noise happens in this presidency every day, it is worth remembering just the magnitude of that issue, you know. Russia made this concerted effort to interfere with our election. The Trump Campaign did not, according to mueller, illegally assist that effort, but there was evidence of obstruction of justice by the president. We need to know what was what mueller learned and this report exists in the world, but the question is, whos going to get to see it . It sounds like somebody who is going to get to see it by midapril. What month is it, michael . So, look, jerry nadler is inpatient because of some of these reports that say some on muellers team believe that the attorney general has mischaracterized them. Hes chomping at the bit to get his hands on it. It sounds like well be able to see some form of it next week. I dont know that theres a surprise in this tension that has become evident through the reporting that some members of the investigation, the Mueller Group now are concerned about bill barr, but barr kind of told us, alisyn, where he was headed in his confirmation process without dropping comeys name as i recall. He was very clear that he didnt think it proper that jim comey had taken Hillary Clinton to the wood shed relative to the emails without their being an indictment. So now in view of that where theres not a recommendation in the report were told for any indictment nor could there be of a sitting president , but i think all of a sudden now youre seeing his predisposition to not allow a repeat of what we saw in the summer of 2016. Suzie, you look at this and you see all these developments leading up to this morning tell you that the president s best news cycle on the Mueller Report has already happened and from here you think its all downhill. Look, theyve spent the last two weeks its been two weeks since the Mueller Report was delivered to the Justice Department essentially claiming not only victory but complete and total exoneration, even though the four page not a summary from attorney general barr specifically said that it was not exoneration, according to mueller on the question of obstruction of justice. It is increasingly clear it seems to me both to the president and to his lawyer Rudy Giuliani who are reverting to their previous form of attacking the mueller prosecutors and the Mueller Investigation as illlegitimate. If you looked at the strongly worded comments from giuliani over the last couple days you got a feeling that they believed that this report is potentially very damaging to the president of the United States and i feel like that sunk in and that, at least in part, explains the dizzying series of president ial diversio diversions, distractions and otherwise that weve seen over especially the last week. He seems quite free net tick, confused at times saying even by President Trumps standards saying wild and outrageous things. The National Media spent the last two days arguing over whether Wind Turbines cause cancer because the president was ranting about it. They dont. I agree with jeff. This is all connected in some ways to the Mueller Report and that, while it may be predictable, that there would be this period of wrangling over the report were still in the middle of it and will we look back and remember that there was a couple week gap between when the Mueller Report was delivered and when it was seen by the public, i think that very much depends on what attorney general barr decides to do or not. Is it going to be a real report or a redacted one . Let me just respond to something michael said. I think he may be right that barr will take out the material that is incriminating to the president because he was in charge, but think about the legal position the president is in. He cant be charged under Justice Department policy, so thats off the table. But if you believe that there should be no disclosures of information about people who are not charged, then thats removed from the report. So he wins both ways, if thats the case. Its set up perfectly. Heads i win, tails you lose. You cant indictment and you cant talk about me because im not indicted. That brings us to another thing that could be damaging for the president because we just dont know because hes never released his taxes, michael. And now the ways and Means Committee wants to see his taxes and they have every legal right to see his taxes and theres New York Times reporting that President Trump was very interested in putting someone his hand picked person into the chief counsels office of the irs. Let me just read a portion. President trump earlier this year asked senator Mitch Mcconnell to prioritize the confirmation vote for his nominee to be chief counsel of the irs indicating it was a higher priority than voting on the nomination of william barr as attorney general. The white house aides insisted for months that the confirmation of the nominee matt desmond was a top priority after the passage of the tax bill in 2017. Of course this raises the question, if this was more important to him than the attorney general for the United States who would oversee the Mueller Report, of course, it makes you think that he wants a stooge at the irs before his taxes could be released to anyone. Im sure he wanted to have his back protected. Look, we have a tradition in this country of president ial candidates releasing their tax returns, but we dont have a requirement, and so in this case, i cant help but wonder if house ways and means is overstepping its bounds because theyre seeking to impose a requirement and i read the law. I dont completely understand it. I know that it dates back to the tea pot dome scandal but why ask for six years of tax returns if youre stated basis is to study the applicability of the irs code to sitting president s because he hasnt been in office for six years. I think that they run a risk here of being perceived as going after the president , even though many of us believe that he absolutely should have handed over his tax returns a long time ago. Man 67 of the American People according to the cnn poll which hasnt changed. That number is very consistent. Its the vast majority. The six years was chosen because thats why what the irs says you should save six years of taxes and that might be what the normal person would have readily available. Thats what they say is the reason they chose that number right there. Susan, i do want to get your take on one other piece of news that we learned overnight and thats Michael Cohen and his team are apparently asking for more time. Dont send him to jail next month because hes finding more information on his own as he gets access to his hard drives and his information. Let me read you this. Mr. Cohen was only recently able to access the hard drive with important documents. Thats what his lawyers say. Said drive contains over 14 million files which consist of all emails, voice recordings, images and attachments from mr. Cohens reporters and phones. A legitimate request at this point, do you think Michael Cohen has found out more in this last few weeks than say the fbi or Southern District found when they had all kinds of search warrants and digging through his stuff . Certainly it raises the question of when they had the investigation in the search into his office and various homes, why did they not find this . The statement tant lies us with the promise of voice recordings which from the beginning has been something that cohens and his attorneys have dangled out there, both the irs story and Michael Cohen story im struck by the extent to which its just a reminder of how much, you know, donald trump is encircled at this point in time, you know. The consequence of having the Democratic House of representatives, of having these meeat that time ta sizing investigations by the Southern District prosecutors, it suggests that, you know, one way or the other there will be investigations that hang over him, cohen is a significant cooperating witness given that he was so close to the president but now you have these whistleblowers coming forward not just the one whistleblower who became public this week talking about potentially improper granting of security clearances inside the white house, but the House Oversight Committee Says there are dozens of people who have come forward volunteering information. The president is definitely under attack right now. Susan, michael, jeffrey, thank you all very much. You can watch smerconish every saturday at 9 00 a. M. Right here on cnn. President trump heads to the border today after doing an aboutface on his threat to close it. 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Our nick watt is live in california near the border, goo. Well, the president this morning will tour a little section of fence that was unveiled with a little bit of fanfare last october and a plaque that reads in part, to commemorate the completion of the first section of President Trumps border wall. Not quite. Its more replacement fence that was earmarked for replacement back in 2009 but it was funded under President Trump. Now, the fear down here was that the president was going to announce that closure of the border but as you say, he has pivoted on that during the past week under some pressure. Take a listen. Im telling you right now, we will close the damn border. Theres a very good likelihood that ill be closing the border next week. Were going to give them a one year warning and if the drugs dont stop or largely stop, well put tariffs on mexico and if that doesnt stop the drugs, we close the border. I dont think well ever have to close the border. Reporter now, there are protests planned down here for today. Organizers have called for those protests to be peaceful but loud and one of the groups involved is bringing that big inflatable baby trump wearing a diaper. They want the president to see that. Back to you, alisyn. Nick watt, thank you very much for previewing that for us. Joining us now is democratic senator simping on the appropriations, Foreign Relations committee. You have made several trips to the border. Just give us a status report. Its hard for us to know what is happening at the border, so is it a crisis as we hear so many experts say . Whats your take from what youve seen . What you see if you see it from the mexican side is that families are coming from Central America, theyre fleeing horrendous violence in those three states of the northern triangle, theyre coming to the boreder and theyre being told you cannot present yourself for asylum. Theyre being left across the border under very terrible circumstances. I visited a whole bunch of shelters that were just jammed with people, not allowed as they should be under International Law to present themselves for asylum. Homeland security secretary Kirstjen Nielsen says its your fault. Let me play for you what she said. I dont know how many more children need to be exploited or how many more families need to be put in harms way by traffickers before congress will act. As you saw we have tried everything we can at dhs. We are absolutely out of the ability to manage this flow and they need help so weve got to work with congress. This cannot be partisan. We do have common cause on this. I beseech folks to work with me. You heard her, at dhs they cannot manage this. Lets understand why theres such a big surge. If you asked the folks throughout Central America why are significant more coming now than came a few months ago and the answer is, President Trumps threats to use National Security emergency to seal the border. Every time he talks about sealing the border, it produces a surge. Youre saying the news trickles to them which is not hard obviously in this global age of information and then they they speed it up, the people who are desperate then make a run for the border yes. Exactly right. Picture in Central America that you have drug gangs that have been empowered by the money that we send because we buy drugs in america, they use those dollars to buy guns, then there are deported gang members who strengthen the gang infrastructure so at the street level everything faces extortion. Every family faces extortion, every business faces extortion. And so the result is that its just when a gang says you pay us today, its not that if you dont pay us well break your window. If you dont pay us today, we may kill you tomorrow, or we may rape your daughter or we may kill your family this weekend. Its that level of violence that is entrenched because of the relationship with the United States. President trump is cutting the aid. That was his threat to cut the aid to el salvador and guatemala and then what happens . The aid is a little bit of effort to strengthen some of the institutions that are being overwhelmed by the guns from the United States. The best thing they could do is say, im going to do significant effort to strengthen those institutions so the drug gangs dont control Central America and cut off the flow of guns from the United States. He wants the drugs to stop from mexico to the u. S. , he should stop the guns from going south. Youre suggesting that President Trump is creating a selffulfilling crisis . Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. The thing about this situation with the secretary, she was deeply, deeply imbedded in this child separation policy and the whole strategy was to say were going to injure children to deter people from coming. It doesnt work. First of all, its evil. The circumstances theyre fleeing from are so horrific, when theyre going to die or brutalize, youll take the risk of traveling and when you say this is your last chance, theyll say i got to go now. Whats it like, particularly say the homestead facility that you visited in florida, whats happening inside there . Theres no issue in terms of the food or the health care. Thats pretty straightforward. Its such a strange setting where children are marched around in single file with guards in front and guards in back. Theyre told that if they misbehave that they will never be able to leave the facility or never be able to get a placement with a family. They dont know whats happened to their parents. The connection has been severed. Theyre adrift in this situation and all the experts say its trauma thats introduced by the child separation and the uncertainty of being in a new land under the control of this very powerful force, the u. S. Government, no knowledge of what will happen to you is deeply, deeply damaging. Thats why we have to shut it down. What are you calling on the president to do today about all of this . Shut it down. Shut this down. And then what . These children need to be with families, in schools as they await their asylum hearing. They belong in schools and parks and homes, not behind barbed wire. Senator markly, we appreciate you coming in and sharing the perspective youve got from all of your trips to the border. Thank you. Thank you. John . President trump said this week that his father was born in germany. He was not. He was born in the bronx. More on the president s long and troubled history with the truth next. What if other kinds of plants captured it too . If these industrial plants had technology that captured carbon like trees we could help lower emissions. Carbon capture is Important Technology and experts agree. Thats why were working on ways to improve it. So plants. 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Merkl in just one day this week President Trump said at least three lies, but his problem with telling the truth is not something new, of course, it spans decades and cnn chief political analyst Gloria Borger joins us now with more. You looked into this. You must have been busy. Those troubles with the truth run the gamut from his fathers birthplace to his slot machines in Atlantic City. Its a very bad habit he takes with him wherever he goes. Reporter one day, three whoppers, even for donald trump, impressive. My father is german, was german and born in a very wonderful place in germany. Reporter fred trump was born in new york city and theres his latest selection of Election Fraud all but saying that the 2018 midterms were rigged by the democrats. There were a lot of close elections that were they seemed every single one of them went democrat. If it was close, they say the democrat theres something going on. Hey, but we have to be a little bit careful because i dont like the way the votes are being tallied. I dont like it. Reporter he doesnt like Wind Turbines either. And they say the noise causes cancer. You tell me that one. Reporter even his staff couldnt figure that one out. I dont know how to answer that. I dont have an answer to that. Reporter all just the latest editions to more than 9,000 false or misleading claims made by this president according to the Washington Post fact checkers. As donald trump himself said last year what youre seeing and what youre reading is not whats happening. Reporter donald trump has had a fraught relationship with the truth, one that goes back decades to the building and selling of trump tower where barbara rez managed the construction. He planted that princess di was looking for an apartment in trump tower. And that didnt happen . No, but it made the papers. Sure. So veracity wasnt apart of it, it was just getting the buzz out there. Yes, yeah. About trump. Did you guys laugh at it yeah. It was nothing so terrible about it. It was puffing. It was like exaggerating. Reporter Tony Schwartz coauthor of trumps art of the deal has a name for this. I came up with this phrase truthful hyperbole. I called it an innocent form of exaggeration. Now i can call something that you actually sold for 2 million, i can say 10 million and that becomes truthful hyperbole. The problem is that, there is no such thing as truthful hyperbole. The truth is the truth. Hyperbole is a lie of the they dont go together. Reporter and they didnt go together during the troubled opening of trumps Atlantic City taj mahal casino in 1990 when some of the slots didnt work. When the Casino Control Commission went down there on opening day to check out that all the things had been done, many things hadnt been done. They shut down a third of the slots. Reporter slots that were critical to the casinos success. The slots are the primer of a new producer of a casino. To shut down a third on opening day was both humiliating and financially disastrous. And it was only done because he didnt have an organization indepth. Reporter that wasnt the story trump told. Something could go bad like the opening of the taj and he would say, its because we had so much business here that this happened, not that the systems broke down, not that we didnt know what we were doing, we had so much business it broke down. Truly he just would lie about everything. Reporter and he did. What about the slot machine thing where they were down for a while . The slots were so hot nobodys seeing people play that hard and that fast. It blew out the slots literally. They blew apart. Too much they were virtually on fire. Donald is so wrapped up in hyperthat its almost constant lies, you know, whether its the littlest things where if you had if you had 2,000 people at an event, he would say there were 5,000 people at an event. Reporter lying when there seems to be no reason to lie. Theres no belief system. If will work i will say it. If it stops working, ill say its opposite and i will not feel any. Reporter lying as he it last july after his Disastrous Press Conference with Vladimir Putin trying to walk back this remark on election interference. My people came to me, dan coats came to me and some others and said, they think its russia. I have president putin, he just said its not russia. I will say this, i dont see any reason why it would be. And a key sentence in my remarks, i said the would instead of wouldnt. The sentence shouldnt have been, i dont see any reason why it wouldnt be russia. Seeing it from his perspective, doesnt make a distinction between whats true and false. His only distinction is what will work and what will not work. Reporter and what happens when hes challenged with facts . What is it he do . He has a genius, you know, per verse genius for turning any situation into something that is evidence of his brilliance, even if its not true. And one more thing about Donald Trumps father who was really born in new york as we said in the art of the deal trump says he was born in new jersey. Go figure. That i understand. Everybody wants to be born in new jersey. I understand that lie. Now youve gone into crazy. It was a badge of honor. Bronx, new jersey. So many people know hes lying, he does it with such a flagrant way, isnt that embarrassing . You would think so, but i think trump sees it all as part of his entertainment shtick and, you know, hyperbole as Tony Schwartz said in there, so i embellish a little bit. Thats what we do in real estate. We embellish how much an apartment sold for, puffery they call it. Why not do it with Everything Else in my life . Why not say my father was born in germany when i want to talk about nato . Why not . Thank you very much for that long look at his history. The impact on the white house when the president lies like this, what does it do to people in the west wing . 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[ clanking ] tartlets . We cover commercial vehicles, too. I think theres something wrong with your sink. Moments ago you heard Gloria Borger explain President Trumps history with the truth, years, sometimes decades of lying. The question is, why does he do it, what does he get out of it and whats the impact now that hes president of the United States . Joining me is former White House Communications director anthony scaramucci. He is the founder and comanaging partner of sky Bridge Capital and the author of trump the blue collar president , anthony great to have you. Good morning. Good to be here. We talked about this before and i want to remind you that this was october of 2018 where you took a position on the president. Watch this. I told the truth. Watch. Nobody should lie. Im not a big believer in lying but politicians happen to lie. You want to say that to the president and the camera, mr. President. Nobody should lie but youre a politician now so politicians lie when their lips are moving but you should probably dial down the lying because you dont need to. Dial that down and youll be doing a lot better. You dont want to be stuck in the mid40s going into the 2020 reelection. Thats good advice. Two scaramuccis there was probably a dream for a lot of people. Two scaramuccis was one was after a Disney Cruise so i got to shrink up a little bit. Go ahead. Dial down the lying you said in october of 2018. Has he dialed down the lying . No hes very consistent. Hes probably consistent over the last 40 years in terms of the way he frames a narrative and a story. I tried to tell bill mahr two days after that why he does it and bill cut me off but ill explain it to you. He does it because he thinks its fun and he also does it because he likes the fact that you guys are talking about it. At the end of the day for him hes figured out that theres a very large group of people inside of our population that when he does it and the media talks about it, they laugh and ill give you a very vivid example of this. I was in detroit, birmingham, michigan, two nights ago making a presentation, somebody came over to me and said, im going to tell you the main reason i voted for the president and he said, i dont like the establishment, i dont like the political establishment, i dont like the Media Establishment and i like seeing him tweak those people. You dont have to accept that. I dont like it. I tell the president , hey, you dont need to do that. Theres no reason for you to tell these fables or these stories of the youre doing a very good job with the economy, doing a great job with the whole nato discussion is going in the right direction i think. We can pick different categories, john, by and large hes ton a great job, why do you have to tell lies . We started out probably when he was in the real estate business and that three bedroom apartment, you know, had like probably extra Square Footage or a window view in the bathroom. Why is he an antiestablishment no, no. Its you talking about it and being upset about it why shouldnt i be upset about it . This isnt about me, but why shouldnt you should be. Why shouldnt any of us be upset when he makes stuff up . The American People are tired of the establishment. The establishment is actually failed the american its a false choice between the establishment and lying. The American People youre not paying attention. Maybe im not being nuanced enough. Youre not paying attention. The American People dont like the establishment. He wouldnt be president if the American People liked establishment. They dont like the democratic establishment or the republican establishment. Granted. And they also dont like elements of the media. No offense. Im just be honest. Im apart of the media so a lot of them dont like me. Im just explaining to you whats going on. Now when hes telling those lies and people get upset about it, hes like, okay, good. Ill have a good part of the media sound like Charlie Browns teacher either in the morning or on late night when theyre calling me out of my 9,000 fibz. He likes it. I really think he likes it. I think he laughs about it. What do you think the downside about it . The downside is, hes got 8 to 15 of the people he needs to win for reelection. Hes probably got 35 to 40 of the people that like him and we used to call those people the fifth avenue people. I can shoot people on fifth avenue and still keep those people. And then hes got probably 8 to 15 of the people he needs in 2020 to build that coalition again to win a reelection and a lot of those people are moderates and independents and scratch their heads and say why is he doing that . It makes them more caution on voting for them. Dont be a bully on twitter. It upsets women. Be less of a bully on twitter. Be a nicer. Your poll numbers will go up and youll win reelection. Why should you believe a guy who lies so much . They dont believe any of them. Thats the point i was trying to make to you in october. When a politician opens his mouth theyre lying. They lie when their lips are moving. This is a different lie. Hold on a second. Let me throw it back to you, tell me the politician that youve met or the politician you were telling the things that he says tell me the one that you think is telling the truth. Tell me the one thats telling the truth. Why say your dads born in germany when hes not . Thats because hes trying to endear himself to the germans. He doesnt care youre going to fact check him. Its a lie. Eisenhower got to the podium i get what youre saying. The cia said that pilot died. What im saying to you, how do you tell a voter, how do you tell a trump supporter that you should believe what the president says no. What i tell a trump supporter is the president is, you know hes classic gemini where hes got two personalities going on in there. Hes got a good side and a devilish streak in his personality where he likes tweaking people. If you can accept the whole package, which i have, vote for the guy. If you cant accept the whole package, i understand why youre not voting for him and if i was the president s adviser which im actually not, but if i was his adviser, id say, hey, dial it back a little bit. Youll pick up those voters and youll win reelections. I want to make clear, all politicians do it is a copout. Its a copout. When eisenhower was told by the cia that the kid died, the pilot died, he went to the microphone and said it was a weather balloon and he blew up the summit with thats a lie and im not justifying it, but he did that for National Security reasons and thats ike, and if youre comparing President Trump lying about his father being in germany you know why i compared ike to trump, because i wanted to get your reaction. Ike to you is a vicker of honesty and decency and a five star general and you dont like the president saying 9,000 lies, but i dont like anyone lying and you shouldnt like anyone lying and i know you dont. I dont. But i have lied. If youre the only person that hasnt lied i would be surprised by that. Most people in our lifetime do tell lies, okay, and not even just white lies, they tell big lies. You and i arent the president of the United States. I know. You and i cant move the market with your lies. Maybe you can more than i can. The markets priced you want to talk about the market . Let me tell you. You and i cant start a nuclear war with our lies. Theyve priced him. Theyve priced him as a liar. What does that tell you that the market there are 43 other president s, Grover Cleveland did it twice, 43 other president s, any other president that acted like President Trump that market would be zigging and zagging way harder than it is right now. I dont love the markets liquidity. We can talk about that if you want. Its not a business show. The markets priced him. The markets are smart collective group of people, men and women, and they recognize that the president s actually way more stable, way more rational than sometimes he comes across when hes saying that his dad was born in germany. Thats one thing. Thats just a flatout scratch your head lie. The orange thing was funny too. This guys one of the smartest guys i know. He doesnt have alzheimers, dementia. He might be a little tired, though. Sometimes when im tired i misspeak and i say words i dont know. When he says his father was born in germany, i dont know if he thinks he does. No, he doesnt. Theres a lie like that and then theres policy stuff but i dont know if its a lie or its just a bait and switch but the stuff with the border where he says last week or five days ago, im likely to close the border in the next week. On health care the policy of it being a mistake aside, he said he was going do it and within three days he backed out. On health care, he said im going to propose well have a new Health Care Plan and its the best plan ever and now he says hes not going to did until after the election. This gets to the question i asked you before, though, which is when he says Something Like that going forward, the next time he says something, why should a voter believe him . And those are strategies. Thats different than the lying. I said that. I stipulated that. So whats happening with him there, my opinion, thats positional bargaining. Hes negotiating. Hes throwing things out there. Hes taking a tough line and he wants to see whats going to happen to the other side. He has figured out over 45 or 50 years if he acts very, very tough in a situation he can get a lot of people to fold. And so, you know, hes up against some very tough cookies, like speaker pelosi. Remember what her daughter said about her. Shed cut your neck off without you feeling it. Its a fabulous line. Im proud of pelosi. Hes not going to get what he wants all the time and if you shut the border that would be a disaster for the economy and the one thing i know about the president , the one poll number that hes really looking at more than any other is the s p 500 and the dow jones. You shut the border, youre going to crush the economy and the markets going to plunge at a time when you dont want it to happen, so stop talking about shutting the border. 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Once the rain gets out of the way today feeling like the 70s, guys, for new york city saturday and sunday. Jennifer, thank you very much for all of that. So the College Admissions scandal has exposed the lengths to which wealthy people will go to buy access. Because of that they could be headed to prison. Among them, of the course, hollywood actresses, Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman who face between six to 21 months if convicted. Now cnn has confirmed that at least one parent linked to this case has hired a special prison consultant. What can he do for them . Lets ask him. Justin paperny is the cofounder of white collar advice which advises people facing time in federal prisons. I didnt even know this was a thing, prison consultant. What do you teach your clients . Well, our goal is to help our clients try to convey to the judge through their own efforts why theyre worthy of mercy. We have to understand there is a sin a simple in the way the government views a defendant, they are judged for the worst out of character decision they have ever made. Our goal is not to buy them out of jail but rather ask the court to take the totality of their lives into consideration. They are good people who made some bad decisions and we ask that that be considered at sentencing. This is the irony, of course, which is that they are charged with trying to buy their kids way into college and now it does seem that they are paying to buy their way out of prison. Theyre not trying to buy their way out of prison, but rather trying to articulate how they accept responsibility, why they made some bad decisions, try to develop a sense of perspective and frankly i hdenty with their victims if they end up pleading guilty. Its done transparently while recognizing they are up against the United States government which that is resources and is in the position to paint them as a criminal. So to the extent they can change that narrative i think theyre equalizing the playing field, they are not buying themselves out of anything, they are trying to equalize the game. I can see now why your service is so valuable, but you are helping them craft a persona that will be more sympathetic to the judge. We help any defendant willing to invest the time identify four points, they express remorse, identify with the victims and articulate to a judge why they will never return to a courtroom. I was a federal defendant, served time in prison, i did it horrifically and its the reason our consider derives satisfaction in helping people frankly do better than the criminal Justice System spits out on a daily basis. Theres too much failure, i think we have an obligation to help them do better how much does your service cost . It varies from 9 to 20,000, 30,000, 40,000 and everything in between. How much per hour . We typically do not do an hourly rate, though we can and that can range from 50 to a couple hundred dollars and much higher and much lower. Our goal its easy to paint our company as those helping the privileged. The reality is any defendant willing to invest the time were able to help. Its not a matter of means, its a matter of effort, finding perspective, not complaining and working to create a new record that is different than how prosecutors are going to judge them at a sentencing hearing. Thats their opportunity and challenge. Which parent are you working with in this College Admissions scam . Id love to tell you, but i cannot. Does that parent is it a celebrity parent . Id love to tell you, but i cannot. Does that parent appreciate the gravity of whats happened . Does that parent accept responsibility or does that parent at this point, while youre working with him or her, still believe that they were doing what was in the best interest of their kid . Initially the focus is on the defendant, how is my life imploding, i may go to federal prison, then in time helping them understand what success is, namely the shortest federal prison sentence helps them begin to accept responsibility and help them recognize their decisions may have hurt and impacted others, from there we seek to develop a sense of perspective, namely the people in our country have endured much worse and have overcome. Lastly in the totality of their life if done well this should be a tiny blip. I told a client in this case i hope you live to be 100 years old and if this turns out to be two or three years its a couple percent to your life, do not let it define your life and become a life sentence which is too often the case with our miserable wretched criminal Justice System. Justin, your business is called wide collar advice, something that i guess a lot of people need right now. Thank you very much for explaining it to us. Thank you for inviting me. Another good name for the business would be id love to tell you but i cant, which is a great phrase. I think he told me a lot. He told me a lot about how the business works, just not who his clients are. Interesting. Another week, another aboutface at the trump white house. New day continues right now. Jerry nadler sent a letter demanding all communications between the mueller team and the Justice Department. We are very concerned. We are only seen one fourpage summary. We have had 23 months of jumping to wrong conclusions. Let him do his job. There is a mechanism where forms could be reviewed in a nonpartisan basis. Its motivated by the democrats desire to find anything to bring this president down. If theres nothing to hide i dont understand why there should be push back from this administration. Boeing is admitting its software played a role in the ethiopian crash. Its our responsibility to eliminate this risk. We own it and we know how to do it. This is not an accident. This is something that should have been