Harassment by roger ails. What does it say about the future of fox news. First journalists standing by for more appointments by president elect trump as he continues to hold meetings with possible cabinet choices. Today on the agenda new york governor chris christie, former new york city mayor Rudy Guiliani sorry, i meant new jersey there and Robert Johnson the founder of b. E. Te. Also inn freeingingly manuo meeting with trump today and the president elect doing all this publicly at his resort in new jersey putting on a show for the cameras. Even as his Administration Starts to take shape trump cannot resist lashing out on twitter. His latest targets the cast of hamilton after the cast had a message for Vice President elect mike pence during friday nights program. Trump tweeted on saturday and again this morning. Saying the cast and producers of hamilton which i hear a is highly overrated should immediately apologize to mike pence for their terrible behavior. Im speechless. And then he turned his sights on snl after alec baldwin played trump as someone who is a little or a lot in offer his head. Trump tweeted i watched parts of snl last night it is a totally onesided biased show, nothing funny at all, equal time for us . We will get into what he means by equal time a little later. The big question is president elect trump going to continue to make the media a real issue or is this all just a big distraction . Would he rather have people talking about his tweets than the various controversies he is facing and his conflicts of interest involving his businesses. Joining me now charles blow columnist for the New York Times, selena zito National Political reporter and ben shapiro editor and chief of the daily wire. Com. Charles, do you believe this is a strategy by president elect tru trump, does he get people auld riled up in order to distract people from real controversies . I think its a compulsion he really he is consumed. This is a guy from queens who wanted to be in new york city. His whole kind of social orbit is the new york city orbit. So thats why hes still kind of positions himself in new york city media. Thats why he attacks the New York Times, thats why he attacks snl, thats why he is attacking a broadway show. The New York Times put together an amazing list of all the people he had attacked. Take a look at that list and see how many of those personalities are people who are right here in new york city. Its almost as if hes not completely moved into the realm of being president of the entire United States, hes still obsessed about new york city and in that includes new york city media. Selena, you have been asking new yorkers about hamilton. Do voters in pennsylvania and ohio do they care about this hamilton controversy . I went out into youngstown, ohio, yesterday and talked to a number of voters and i specifically talked to democrats who voted for clinton and asked them how they felt about it. While they had no problem with the speech that was given afterwards they did have a problem with the booing. They thought it was disrespectful and that they think that more respect should have been shown to him as a guy just going to see a play. So booing by the audience members when pence walked into the room. Right. Let me bring up trumps famous twitter feed and one of his tweets from yetd about this, one of his first comments about this controversy, he said the following, he said our wonderful future Vp Mike Pence was harassed last night at the theater by the cast of hamilton, cameras blazing. Then he said this should not happen. He is not talking about the booing there hes talking about the cast members message. Right. Ben, i read Something Like that, donald trump saying this should not happen and i think that has a Chilling Effect for art stick expression. After all these performers were up on stage, performing art even when they were speaking to the Vice President elect. Do you agree . Sorry, ben, go ahead. It isnt my favorite thing. I would recommend that conservatives who look at president elect trump doing this and saying it seems okay to me just imagine if the shoe were on the other foot and it was barack obama lecturing nascar fans if he got booed. On the other hand, you know, i would recommend that the media sort of take a second look at how much focus they put on things like this because the fact is if youre going to turn it up to 11 on a hamilton tweet this is going to be a long president for all of you. Is that what you think happened on saturday and again today . Weve turned it up to 11 . Yeah, i think the Mainstream Media has been at 11 since the election and i think that that means that there is no place to turn it from there. This is sort of the problem in the 2016 election. I think there are a lot of aspersions cast to mitt romney and then when he came back in 2016 and cast the same aspersion at donald trump who was a different candidate people tuned it out. I really think that the media is in danger of blowing its credibility if theyre going to be so exuberant about covering every aspect of trumps foibles because there are going to be things he does that arent good and you want people to Pay Attention to it. If you Pay Attention to a hamilton tweet as something more troubling, president elect trump meeting with Business Partner from india while he is the president elect that seems something where you ought to put more focus. Charles, do you agree . I think no, i think you have to just constantly call out everything. But doesnt that raise ben is saying raise the volume to 11 at all times. I am so personally offended by so much of what he does, you know, you make a really strong point about, you know, artistic expression and allowing that to live and breathe and not try to put your thumb on the scale of that as the president of the United States. Thats a real point. That is not a small thing, right . As a person who lives here in new york city, who goes to broadway, who has gone to see hamilton and it is not overrated it is actually a great show i do think donald trump needs to go and see hamilton. I think he needs to see it. But i think there is a real need for all of us to put constant pressure on this man to make him live up to the ideals of the presidency itself. And i am obviously an opinion journalist im not a straight News Reporter and they have a different mission, a straight News Reporter, but people like me there is a real the country needs us right now to put pressure on him because we have to make him be the president. He is going to be president for four years and he has to conform to that in some way. He cant do things like this and not have it called out. It just cant happen. Selena let me ask you do you buy that . One of the reasons you are here with us, one of cnns newest contributors is you had a much better understanding of what was going on in voters minds during the election season, you were speaking with voters in the rust belt on a daily basis. We need to hear much more from voices outside d. C. And new york and the corridor. Let me ask you do you think folks out there outside the new york d. C. Bubble do believe they need journalists right now . Do they believe in what we think here on cnn . And thank you for that nice introduction. But i do think that thats important and that was sort of missed in this election cycle. That they didnt think that people not just were talking to them, because plenty of reporters went into events in ohio and pennsylvania and michigan, but being there and living there and listening to them, i think that was the most important component that we need to learn from this election is listening to everyone and i think this is a good start. Well, they want to be heard, but do those voters, do ordinary voters who probably havent seen hamilton do they care about journalists trying to stand up and hold the president elect accountable or does all of that come across at media bias . Its not just media bias. I think when you look at trumps most recent tweets its not just really about media, but its about pop culture and cultures perception of america outside of new york city. Right . So they like that tension, i think that even though and back to your thing about standing up to trump. I think viewers and voters always expect reporters even if they dont like what we do to challenge the status quo and to challenge power because our job is to bring them the news and have them understand what is happening. The challenge power indeed. Selena, thank you for being here, charles, ben, please stick around. We will take a quick break on reliable sources. When we come back were talking about trump ditching the press pool, how accessible is he being with journalists . We have new information from the head of the White House Correspondents Association right after this quick break. When heartburn hits, fight back fast the challenge power indeed. Head of the white house the int touches your tongue. And neutralizes stomach acid at the source. Tum tum tum tum smoothies only from tums you can use whipped topping made. But real joyful moments. 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The what you say Correspondents Association issued a warning after he ditched the press pool to go out to dinner. They said it isnt acceptable for him to prafl without the pool. In another rebuke trump denied access to his meeting with the japanese Prime Minister later in the week. There was a photo taken, a handout photo which means its basically a visual press release. Most major news outlets worked together and agreed not to show the photo as a form of protest. Thats why you didnt see it in the news coverage. These kinds of choices are made by news outlets in order to take a stand. We also heard from 15 different journalism advocacy groups this week all urging the president elect to not only provide a press pool but also take other steps towards transparency. Lets talk about this rocky start whether there is any reason to think it might get better. Rejoining me here charles blow and ben shapiro and let me bring in ann compton former White House Correspondent for abc news. You of course were on air force one, you were one of the pool reporters on 9 11, traveling with president george w. Bush, informing the nation that he was safe and that he was moving about the country trying to return to washington. As we look at some of the video from that fateful day can you tell us, ann, in a nutshell why does the press pool matter . Why should you and i and everyone watching care . Youre absolutely right, there is a reason why for the last half century or more every president , republican and democrat, have welcomed the presence of a travel pool, a rotating group of print reporters, broadcast journalists and photographers, a small group which can cover him in more intimate settings and pool that information with the rest of the White House Press corps. On that morning of september 11th, 2001, when a crisis struck, the reporters who were in the room to assure the rest of the nation that the president was safe, that the president was acting. Its the same reason why the president has to be president wherever he is. Whether its a restaurant or a school room or air force one. Thats why he also has a military doctor and a Communications Van full of equipment where he can reach out and be president wherever he is. I dont care what kind of steak he orders but i do care that hes safe. Ann, you say this is actually the least of the medias problems with regard to a trump presidency. Absolutely. The press pool is important and every president has used one, but the biggest question goes back to what you just talked about with a photo op with the president with the Prime Minister from japan. Access to the president has to be in person by the reporters covering the white house covering the president or president elect where he is. In advance the Trump Organization was told that if they just handed out a photo taken by the trump staff or by the japanese that the American Media wont use it. If its an event which should be open to press coverage then the media is not going to use the photographs any more than they would take a written printout of the president or president elect and simply read it on the air. Thats a handout, thats not news coverage. I was asking the head of the White House Correspondents Association jeff mason for an update this morning. We can put on screen what he said to me. So, ben, we have seen some access this weekend, president elect donald trump greeting visitors to his golf resort. Do you think this is a positive sign, something we should actually be acknowledging and thanking him for . Or this is the kind of bare minimum, the bare minimum acceptable standard for access to the president . Well, look, i think the expectation that hes going to make himself available to the press is a good one and i hope that he does do that, especially after he becomes president , i think there may be some different standards for president elect than president , but ann would know that better than i would. Beyond that, you know, the fact is that the press access for the last eight years has been terrible and many members of the press have complained about this. The white house was releasing its own photos and tapes of events and not allowing the press to cover it in the way that the press wanted to cover it for years, the doj was targeting people at the ap. There has been a lot of problems between the white house and the press long predating donald trump, thats not an excuse for trump to do the right thing but it is worth putting it in context. How bad was it in the Obama Administration versus the bush or Clinton Administration . Well, i dont think president obama has a perfect record on this. Very often in meetings that he holds within the white house conducting the office of president the white house will offer us a still photograph or put their own video on the whitehouse. Gov website. The kind of meetings which traditionally with his predecessors a press pool would always come in and get some video in person watching the president rather than being handed material. Thats the new media age. Weve given the tools of journalism including twitter to the president s and to the candidates. Speaking of twitter we heard from the president as i mentioned earlier this morning on talking about snl, saying snl was unfunny. Charles, he also said that maybe there should be equal time for us. That could mean a lot of things. I interpreted his words of equal time to of he ever to the fcc rules mandating equal time. Remember when trump was on snl, he hosted last year. Nbc stations have to offer his gop rifles equal time. They had to offer them basically free commercials in order to make up for the fact that trump hosted snl. The rules are only in effect during the election not in effect the rest of the time. What do you make of his reference to equal time . Is he willfully miss understandings what it means . Of course he is. He doesnt he doesnt get that. Also its twitter, right, so you can be i dont know what time it is, often he tweets in the middle of the night, he might have gotten up in the middle of the night to us auto the bathroom and tweets. I dont know. I take that its twitter, you could make a mistake on twitter. The bigger question that i think all of us need to ask a whether or not hes really ready to be president of the United States in the sense of is he really open to this 24 7 public scrutiny and work. And the press pool relates to thaz al. The press pool relates to that. The idea that you will be under scrutiny all the time. That you will have to live in the fishbowl. Im not sure that that is part that he wanted that part of it. He definitely wanted to win and he won. But what comes along with that is the scrutiny, what comes along with that is always being around. I had read reports of him saying that he might even want to come back to new york to trump towers on the weekends. Right. You have to commit to the job. This is not this is not a parttime job. So, ann, what do you recommend . As a veteran jurmist what do you recommend journalists do to hold trump to the same standards past president s have been held to . We keep talking about it, we keep putting the news on the air and to the president ial staff and the president ial transition staff make the point that this is a twoway street. That the president works for the American People and that kind of transparen transparency, the kind of accessibility to get his views across to the American People so that they understand and understand why it is hes doing what he did, we keep doing our job every single day 24 7. Were talking about outsiders, the press pool with outsiders that track the president but im also seeing media insiders in a trump presidency. Let me put on the screen a examples of this. Joe scarborough has been giving trump advice, we saw michael wolf visiting steen bannon earlier this week, Jeanine Pirro visiting trump tower, pierce morgan on the phone, Mike Huckabee of fox for a meeting and we know sean hannity and trump have a longterm relationship. That was trumps favorite show to go on during the primaries and general election. Ben, what do you make of this list . Is it surprising at all that the select trump will have these favored journalists . I will add one more, fox host eric bowling in contention for a Commerce Department job according to politico. How about the fact that steve bannon who is the former ceo of breitbart is the chief strategist for the white house. There is a cozy relationship between trump and some members of the right wing media, again, not unprecedented. President obama drew staffers from the left wing media as well i think for people to take that out of context is a little bit foolish, but obviously you would say left wing media, i wouldnt call Time Magazine left wing but jeff carney did come over from time. Some of us would. The bottom line is that the reality is i think that some of the issues that weve been discussing there will be a bit of a disconnect between the media and the rest of the United States because the way the people read media stories they read them with good guys and bad guys, when you have trump attacking hamilton or snl, people go, okay, someone attacked snl, who cares. Swb attacked hamilton do i care about that . A lot of folks in the media and people who watch the presidency we say this is not a great thing when hes attacking private citizens. Again, if president obama had done the same thing and he did do the same thing many times we complained about it loudly there is a likelihood that a lot of people will say this is not a big deal, why should we focus on a broadway show and a spat between the president elect of the United States and actors. Easy to dismiss it and move on i suppose. Ann, charles, ben, thank you very much all for being here. Coming up next, fake news, something weve talked about a lot in recent weeks and recent months. It seems to be becoming a partisan issue. Regardless of your politics theres one casualty that affects all of us and i will explain when we come back. I work round the clock. I want my blood sugar to stay in control. So i asked about tresiba®. 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We are entering a terrible new age of Information Warfare and it brings to mind that old adage the First Casualty of war is the truth. This war so to speak is playing out right on your smartphone, right on your Facebook News feed where made up stories spread to millions of people. Here are a few recent examples. The pope endorsing trump, fake. Megyn kelly fired for becoming hillary clinton, fake. Clinton committed clinton linked to crimes committed by Anthony Weiner also fake but that one was treated by retired general michael flynn, trumps pick for National Security as visor. This is the bs that facebook and twitter and google have to grapple with, but we have to grapple with it ourselves individually. No he is stories are pretty easily disproven, they are the most basic form of fake news. When i say fake news i mean stories designed to trick people into believing lies, deception 101. Now, i have a hard time believing any creator of any fake news website but one of them paul horner spoke with the Washington Post this week and look at what he said, quote, i think trump is in the white house because of me. His Campaign Manager posted my story about a protesting getting paid 3500 as fact. I made that up. Horner went on to say i thought they would fact check it and would make them look worse but Trump Supporters they just keep running with it. They never fact check anything. Now, to be clear, fake news affects the left and the right. Ive seen clinton supporters sharing fake links with election related conspiracy theories but the evidence indicates this is more of a problem on the right, among some, not all, but some Trump Supporters. Further research is needed to understand why online lies are so appealing to some voters. But i would suggest to you that it starts at the top. After all, trump himself frequently misled voters during his campaign and he has been personally fooled by fictional stories. Remember when he said all i know is whats on the internet . This was in march. After a protester rushed the stage at one of his rallies, the secret service intervened but trump asserted the protester had ties to isis. Watch how chuck todd tried to correct him. You praised the secret service but then you said the man had ties to isis, that turned out to be a hoax. Did you go over the top there on that . No. No. No. No. He was he was if you look on the internet, if you look at clips turned out to be a hoax. Somebody made that up. He had talk well, i dont know what they made up. Supposedly there was chatter about isis. Now, i dont know. What do i know about it . All i know is whats on the internet. Now, the contrast between the next president and the sitting president could not be more extreme. President obama is deeply concerned about people believing everything they read on the internet. If we are not serious about facts and whats true and whats n not, and particularly in an age of social media where so many people are getting their information in sound bites and snippets off their phones, if we cant discriminate between serious arguments and propaganda, then we have problems. We do have problems. I think everybody feels it right now. One of the problems is that fake news websites are so easy to set up and so profitable for the creators. Every time we click and share they make more money but we are worse off. So facebook and google are now trying to choke off the ads that show up on these sites, trying to make them less profitable, but that is a losing battle. These fake news sites are always going to exist. In fact, theyre probably going to get better at blending in and looking real. The same goes for hyper partisan blogs and facebook pages that only tell people what they want to hear. That celebrate their side and demonize the other side. On this program we used to talk about red news blue news but we are now way beyond red news and blue news. We are in an environment where some people are choosing to be colorblind. Media literacy is part of the solution here. As a society we need to help each other distinguish between reliable and bogus stories. The more media literal you are the less likely you will be tricked by propaganda and thats what it is, propaganda. Journalism is also a big part of the solution, as an industry we have to redouble our efforts to restore our credibility. To tell you the truth these are not satisfying or complete answers to the problem. I dont have complete answers. I know a lot of us are going to be gathering around thanksgiving tables in a few days unable to see eye to eye about basic facts. In this age of Information Warfare every person can just pull out their smartphone and pull up a story that tells them they are right and their loved one is wrong. How does this end . With no one trusting anything . Theres more Fact Checking than ever, but fewer people trusting the facts. Are we moving more into an authoritarian media climate, more like russia or china . I dont know. I feel so empty and frankly so pessimistic about this. But i know that people in power all around the world benefit from confusion. They benefit from this confusion. So we must be vigilant as journalists and as facebook users and as family members at thanksgiving. Refuse to be confused. Now, thats all for that he is say this week. I have to tell you, i dont have the answers as i said but im trying to figure it out and i appreciate your feedback. Send me a tweet, send me a facebook message Brian Stelter on both sites. 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Its the only way to know for sure. Donald trump ran an antimedia campaign during the election year, but theres one media figure hes fond of his soninlaw Jared Kushner publisher of the new York Observer newspaper, he has often been at trumps side during the campaign and during the transition according to the New York Times kushner has spoken to a lawyer about the possibility of joining the new administration. Its a story made nor the headlines and the outcome is anyones guest. What could it mean for kushner and for his newspaper . Joining me now the editor in chief ken kirsen. So the observer ended its print editions, they will be online only, is that related to kushners role owning the paper and possibly working with his fatherinlaw . No, it has nothing to do with that. It has to do the fact that weve multiplied our digital readership by seven times at the same time our print and everyone elses is cratering. Its totally related to how people consume news. What about the ownership of the paper . If kushner is to join the administration in some form will he give up his ownership of the organization . Do we have any sense of that . Jared will behave ethically and appropriately as he always does. He has a law degree, he is a smart guy, he is not going to put his reputation or anything he owns in jeopardy. Im not an expert on the laws about nepotism but i know theyre pretty strict at least as far as the white house goes and if he takes an official position im sure he will put the proper amount of insulation. I will say that ive worked a lot of different places. Despite all the attacks you see in the media jared has his finger on the scale of what the observer covers a lot less than just about any publisher i have worked for. You say he is not involved in the editorial. He is not involved in the day to day at all. We talk every day and he is obsessed with politics as i am so i hear his opinions, but he does not weve run very tough there has been stories about kushner wanting certain articles written or not written. Who wouldnt. Everybody has opinions about what the media should cover and even editors he has had who have been, you know, less favorable than i am to his world view have said hes done a pretty good job of leaving them alone. Weve run stories that have been tough on his fatherinlaw and unlike most places we have run stories that have been tough on his fatherinlaws competitors. You all talk every day. Im sure yus what you and kushner think about the coverage of the transition, the first almost two weeks of president elect trump. Whats your interpretation . I wont speak for jared but i will tell you that i think transitions are always times of enormous controlled chaos and it seems like its going just about the way it has for the last couple of transitions. Ive followed friction closely my entire journalism career and theres always bumps in the road as names get floated and sometimes you float someones name to see how the press and public will react. It seems like its going on a pace. The headlines about infighting you dont buy it. I dont buy it. I think the obsession with how donald trump does everything including where he gets dinner is comic. Youre against having a press pool to go to dinner with him . Its not against a press pool going im against it dominating a cycle for two news days if he decides not to have them go with him. A press pool should go why ever he allows them to go. This idea that you cant have a private meal why your family is ludicrous. Journalists never sit at the table, they wait outside you know that. I do. You told me off camera you think the coverage of Trumps Campaign was a disgrace. Yes. Cute me why. I think its been ridiculous and i am quite frankly shocked there havent been resignations and firings. Resignations and firings of who . Different journalists who have been wrong over and over and over and then they can continue to do their job after having been wrong about the election wrong about what . There is no consequences or accountability. Wrong about not only what was happening, just about everybody missed that donald trump was going to win this election, but also wrong about why it was happening including inexplicably after brexit which was a test run for this election, it showed enormous amounts of discontent with the ordinary people who feel ignored in that case by london elites, in america by coastal cultural elites. Hamilton is a good example. Im ready to go on record and disagree strongly with trump. Hamilton is amazing. The idea of cultural elite lecturing the Vice President elect is what america is disgusted by. I would say we are a divided country and things like hamilton just show the divide really, really vividly, dont they . Yeah, but you are the new York Observer. But the play itself the play hamilton, the musical itself is about the emergence of a twoparty system, about being able to have differences of point of view, hopefully without shooting each other. Hopefully without that. Ken, good to see. You good to see you you. The point about soul searching or lack of is interesting. Up next, what made bill oreilly decide to publicly go after megyn kelly. Two experts standing by. Stay tuned. Share the joy of real cream. With reddiwip. Theres nothing typical. About making movies. Im victoria alonso and im an executive producer at marvel studios. We are very much hands on producers. If my office becomes a plane or an airport the surface pro is perfect, fast and portable but also light. You dont do 14 hours a day 7 days a week for decades if you dont feel it in your heart. Listen i know my super power is to not ever sleep. Thats it, thats the only super power i have. Come on, wake up come on, why ya sleepin . 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Kellys candor did not sit well with bill oreilly, he was out promoting his own book and when he was asked about kellys allegations his demeanor quickly changed. I want to be to very candid here, im not that interested in this. No . No. In Sexual Harassment. Im not interested in basically litigating something that is finished that makes me network look bad. Okay . Im not interested in making my network look bad at all. That doesnt interest me one bit. Does that mean kelly is . In a stroke of luck for cbs megyn kelly was on the same show the next day and she said this. I am very proud of the fact that i discussed this with rupert and lock land murdoch before i wrote this chapter in my book. We were all on the same page that this was an important chapter to include and i am proud of them that they feel as i do which is sunlight is the best disinfectant. You dont believe youre i believe that roger ailes made the company look bad. Now the cold war between kevin and oreilly is hot again. Lets bring in Sarah Ellison who has written extensively on ailes and melissa mcguthrie. What is going on between kelly and oreilly . Megyn kelly has come out with her story and bill oreilly is sort of shooshing her, saying youre unearthing this ugly chapter that everyone at fox wanted to get through. But the optics are really bad. Here is bill oreilly who had his own Sexual Harassment scandal, many scandals where he had to settle with a former employee and so whether or not he is just defending the honor of fox news and wants this to be over. Its been okayed by his bosses and this is sort of extending the chapter for fox news but it actually the optics are pretty bad. Do you get the sense that kelly wants to be out talking about this . She felt like she had to address it at some point because she spoke with investigators about the alleged harassment. What she told me is she didnt ask to be outed but once she was, she felt she had the responsibility to come forward and was working behind the scenes before she was outed to make sure other women knew that she was talking to investigators. So i do think that she did want to be an example for other women because she does have stature and power and visibility. Sarah is right. People who are criticizing her for talking about this are proving her point, that Sexual Harassment is a problem and that it needs to be talked about. Its still happening in 2016 and you cant push it under the rug anymore. Oreilly says this is over. Its not over. Theres one pending lawsuit and Gretchen Carlson spoke on the tv. Were there any takeaways . What grietchen was able to d, shes the hero who took the hit, came out and talked about this very aggressive case of Sexual Harassment and i think that the takeaway, though, unfortunately what ive learned from the Gretchen Carlson case, if you dont have tapes, youre going to have a lot of doubters and thats not exactly what i wanted to learn from it but thats what i did learn from it. Have we seen that this week, people doubting kellys story . Well, i think most of it is sort of the pushback and blowback. Dont talk about that anymore. I think when gretchen first filed, there were a lot of doubters. True. And it became more clear that she had tapes of some sort. Fox is still rolling along pretty strongly without him. Isnt one of the takeaways that four or five months later, fox news has not missed a beat without roger ailes. Well, thats true. They had an unprecedented election and megyn kelly has played a role in the election 2016. All of her history with donald trump, which was also detailed. And, of course, her deal is up with fox in seven or eight months. What is your sense whether shell stay with fox or not . She said she wantdidnt want make the decision before the election. At this point, she talked about it a lot publicly and i think maybe that was not entirely prudent and shes really keeping her cards close to the vest now. I dont know that the economic realities of tv news right now would give her a lot of options if shes really looking for that 20 million plus salary. Other networks may not be willing to pay 20 million for anybody. Exactly. Sarah, whats your sense of the behindthescenes talks . In general, everybody would love to hire megyn kelly but they would love to hire her at the price that they can afford. What is interesting about this, fox news is always a little bit theres always infighting. Its always a tough crowd. But its becoming less and less hospitable for her where you have somebody like oreilly coming forward. His statement reflected some resentment of some larger resentment inside fox news about how much attention megyn is bringing to this issue. Not the issue of Sexual Harassment but dredging up the entire ailes story. And some of it is just envy but i think theres a question of where can she go and i know she received one other approach from a network after her book came out because they felt like there was some more vulnerability for her to stay at fox news. Youre saying new interests . A little new interest. A tidbit right there. Thank you so much. When we come back, remembering gwen ifill and the endelible mark she made on television. Roller derby. Now give up half of em. Do i have to . This is a tough financial choice we could face when we retire. But, if we start saving even just 1 more of our annual income. We could keep doing all the things we love. Prudential. 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