A lawmaker leading the fight is also here live. Well go live to sidney, australia to find out what happened here. These are images of federal police in australia raiding one of the countrys biggest news rooms. What is going on . What are they looking for . But first President Trumps latest fox news interview is causing controversy. This was trumps 55th interview with fox since inauguration day. More than double of any other major. He was in france there to honor soldiers who sacrificed their lives on dday. He sat down with laura ingram right there, right with the graves of soldiers as the backdrop. What was he thinking . What was she thinking . What were the fox producers thinking when trump went on a tirade. Trump took a moment to tell her how proud he was of her ratings. By the way, congratulations on your ratings. That wasnt even the worse part. Trump had an opportunity to attack nancy pelosi and Robert Mueller. Take a look. Nancy pelosi is a disaster. Nasty, vindictive, horrible person. Shes a nervous wreck. We have crying Chuck Schumer who is a jerk. What can you do to you night the country at a time of freight polarization. What else could you do . Thats a great question, laura. Attacking your critics . Attacking those who you disagree with including Robert Mueller who is a veteran at a grave site . Is not uniting anybody with anything. As i watched this i wondered where is president Trumps Communications director to oversee what the camera shots look like, who is working to protect him from those kind of gaffes. Remember bill shine exited the white house in march and now the job remains vacant more than three months later. Maybe trump isnt his own best communications director. Look theres a throat discuss from this interview and so much more. Lets bring in irin carmon, sanjay gupta. What do you think of this interview the we work here in television. We wouldnt have allowed that kind of embarrassing situation to happen. You know as well as i do a lot of prep goes into doing our show. When were on set. But certainly and especially when youre out on location somewhere. Whats the backdrop going to be . What kind of permits do we have to get . Theres a lot of steps that you have to take to designing this shot, this interview. The idea that someone said let put the president of the United States, who frequently runs off at the mouth is probably not going to go to social norms, lets put him in front of a grave yard on one of the most sacred occasions and conduct an interview in which we ask him about politics. That was a vetted decision. That was on purpose. I dont think they are stupid. I just dont think it was, it was polite. I dont think it was the right thing to do. Do you think it matters . It doesnt matter to the audience he has. It doesnt matter to them. It wont offend them. But i think fox is trying toe le elevate him by giving him that background. They were trying to put him in the best possible position. Make him look president ial. But hes totally unpredictable. They know hes going to Say Something outrageous and it doesnt phase them to think well the backdrop the mueller comment is amazing in terms of what it says because this is a guy who did not go vietnam for, obviously, kind of phoney impairment and a guy who did go and was wounded. He criticizes in front of an american grave yard. The optics are terrible. We continue to see cases including this week with the president in europe where he tells you not to believe your own ears or eyes. He said heseen the protests. Maybe they were fake news. I thought the most interesting term in fake news was from laura ingram. After the interview with the president she had to go on her show and say the president said something that wasnt true. Watch this clip. These people are so amazing and what they dont realize is that im holding them up because of this interview, but thats because its you. Some of you may have heard or read that President Trump held up the dday ceremony to do this interview with me. Thats patently false. Fake news. Amazing to see a fox host correcting the president. She didnt say it was the president that made thunder. What happened one of the other foreign leaders was running a little bit late so there was time for trump to do the interview before the ceremony. What do you make of that . Were in the b. S. Era. It doesnt matter what reality sit matters what the perception is and be good for trump. For trump himself has always been an ever shifting justification. He doesnt have stable truths. Whatever comes out of his mouth is what he thinks will benefit him the most in that exact second and you see laura ingram taking her cues from that. It was something trump said that was not true, which she then said other people had said which remain untrue but true to what the president has said. If your head is spinning thats the point. Its creating a sense much disorientation. At the end of the day you think there are people who are against trump and there are people who are not and regardless what the facts are, this is, i know this word gets abused so much in this day and age but this is classic gaslighting. The gaslighting story is oh, no that lamp didnt move. It must be your imagination. Know the president didnt say that or the president didnt make you late. Whatever it is in the end everyone else is lying. Stick with the line. Theres a lot of headlines about joe biden. In many cases this race the revolving around biden. Biden flipping over abortion funding. About the Hyde Amendment and bidens change in position. Whats the media back story . Its interesting because even since biden was Vice President , there has been ground level activism and on life activism that has increasingly gotten the ears of Mainstream Media criticizing the Hyde Amendment. Barack obama called it tradition. This is something thats not been in the center of Democratic Politics but because of twitter, facebook, online organizing and grassroots organizing i think Mainstream Media now is more aware that theres an internal debate among progressives about whether things Hyde Amendment throw lowincome women under the bus. That pipeline got shorter and shorter between progressive ideas and mainstream journali journalists. The other story here is that joe biden has not been running a Traditional Campaign where he does a lot of media, where he does a lot of retail politics. We dont have a lot of interviews with him yet. So these moments, these gaffes, these campaign breakdowns are all we have. Not doing interviews. Thats right. They are sticking out. I think he would be better served doing a lot more interviews, sitting down. I know theres a risk involve in that. It would help sort of desaturate the environment so this is not all were left talking about. Thats interesting. Give us some more face time, joe. He did not go into this entirely prepared. You would think this wouldnt come up in an era when so much of the democratic focus is on womens issues and women are sovy all ts so vital to their base. Why didnt someone clue him in that these things would come up. People ask me about the democratic race. I remind them this time four years ago trump hadnt entered the race. Its so early. I bring that up because were at an anniversary. This time next week the is the four Year Anniversary of trump riding down the escalator. Remarkable to go back and watch the Television Coverage from that day and how seriousliers taken or maybe not. You were on cnns coverage that morning. You even had a copy of his speech. There i am. What was the day like . It was bizarre. I had gotten a copy of the speech from the campaign. And not a lot of people had because they didnt have a lot of contacts in the media yet. Im looking at this. This is actually very serious and substantive. Within the first sentence that script was abandoned and im watching along with everyone else mouth agape, eyes wideopen, none of the script, the script was tossed in what would become his hallmark going off script and i just remember thinking this is bizarre. Not taking it seriously. To my discredit. Not taking it very seriously because he didnt appear to be taking it as seriously as i expected him to, via that speech. He was in reality host mode. You were all able to turn away and i think when you look back at that first day that told you where we were going. It was entertaining, shocking, racism involved. Bill, latinos thought . Howard stern came out and said he thought it was a pr stunt. Remember, he announced he was running before. 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Jim acosta chief White House Correspondent for cnn, why write a book about your experience . I wanted to send a message, you know, to folks who really care about what we do and the message is basically this. I did not want my children to group in a country where the press is called the enemy of the people. Brian you and i have grownup in a country in the last several decades here where republicans, democrats wanted to be in power in washington, but they didnt demonize us to this extent. And i think its gotten i think it started off as an act based on my reporting that the president threw out fake news enemy of the people to taunt and troll us. Thats gotten out of control. Its gotten to the point where his supporters, some of his supporters feel its okay to lash out at us in ways that i think put us in danger and i think we have to pause, hit the pause button and think deeply about whether or not this is the kind of country we want to hand off to our kids. If this was a dangerous time to tell the truth in america you wouldnt be able to write a book about it. What dues . I dont want it to become more dangerous. We had a pipe bomb delivered to cnn last fall. I received a number of death threats. A number of news anchors reporters who cover this president on a daily basis receive death threats. And, you know, we dont know how serious they are. Could just be people venting their frustrations in a get that. We all get mad about what we see on the news on a daily basis. But some the question is whether or not somebody crosses that line and does something that hurts somebody or perhaps kills a journalist and as i write in the book, brian, i think at that point we cross over into a different era for the United States. Where we join a list ever other countries around the world where the press is not safe to do their jobs and we just cant do that. We cannot take that step because i think its a far slippery slope than we possibly can imagine. Cant let it happen here. Some people dont know you sign this deal, to write this book before the midterms. The day after the midterms the president kicked you out of the white house. The white house revoked your press pass. Looking back do you think the president was trying to distract from losing the house and the democratic gains in the midterms. Was he trying to change the narrative . Right. Ive seen that theory tossed around. My sense of it is if you go back and i talk about it in the book if you look what happens during the News Conference not just the confrontation he has with me, he refers to a question, a reporter from pbs, refers to her question as being a racist question at one point during the press conference because she asked him about this label that he gives himself that hes a nationalist and is that a dog whistle to white nationalists there were other moments where the president comes off as rattled and off of his game and some might same unhinged. I dont think it was one of those moments where he was throwing red meat into the water and bright shiny object to change the narrative. I think hes clearly frustrated. You conclude the book with the lawsuit and cnns victory in court. Lets go back to the beginning. First full day of presidency. Sean spicer goes out and lies about the crowd size. What would have happened if crowd size wasnt the story of day one of Trump Presidency . A much smoother beginning to his presidency. The president is distracted and contoomd by thing that are trivial. Why on earth when youre about to become commanderinchief and president of the United States are you concerned about what kind of crowd size you have and why would you insist your press secretary go out and lie to the American People and by the way, when Kellyanne Conway goes out there and says, well, you know, sean spicer was giving alternative facts, you know, she also got herself into a situation where, you know, they are all piling on, trying to explain way the president s behavior and rhetoric and as i write in the book, you know, Kellyanne Conway kind of regrets making that comment. She said to me that was a slip of the tongue she didnt mean to say alternative facts she meant to Say Something different. What i found going back talking to various officials, is that from time to time there was a sense of regret about what theyve all been through. Yes they are passionate supporters of the president but in Kellyanne Conways case she wishes she could have had that one over again. She insists in this book that this was not intended to be an orwellian phrase on her part. You do quote sources on the record and also on background anonymously, you quote an unnamed senior white house official quote the president is insane. Was that person speaking literally or figuratively . I think he was venting his frustrations. This particular official. We sat down one to talk about how things were going with this particular sources area of expertise. I dont want to get too deeply into that. But plopped down in the seat in front of me and said the president is insane. I went back later to this official and i said why did you say that . Really i was just frustrated with the president s lack of understanding of the constitution, the constraints placed on the presidency. You know guardrails were put in place by our founding fathers. The president wanted to know how long you can keep an acting secretary on. He wanted to know, you know, what else he could do with his cabinet. Its this kind of behavior behindthescenes that frustrates his top officials more than people understand. This official was trying to explain all of that. You mentioned Kellyanne Conway, her husband continues to say the president is mentally unwill, unfit. Look at his latest tweets saying the president should resign and seek psychological treatment. Thats astonishing coming from the husband of a Top White House officials. And show do you view this as someone who covers the Trump White House . I get asked this question from time to time. I tell folks im not a psychiatrist so i can assess the president s mental state but i will tell you my sense of it is covering him for a pretty long period of time now is hes more craziy liy jlike a fox. Steve bannon explains in an interview i had with him that, you know, what trump tries to do is really control the narrative by saying sensational things that sound wild and nutty sometimes and he does this because he knows it dominates the news cycle. That makes it a priority for us in the News Business to talk about him nonstop and he loves that and he capitalizes on that. Do you have any regrets . I wish at times that the press had been a bit more in solidarity with one another. And standing up to this white house and saying listen, president cant call us the enemy of the people. We wont go along with that. We missed some opportunities here and there to challenge that. One thing im most grateful for during this experience is how just about every News Organization in washington and here in new york stood behind us here at cnn when they took away my press pass. That was a very important First Amendment case. Had the Trump Administration won that case, brian, it would have sent shockwaves through our industry. It would have put a real Chilling Effect on the First Amendment in this country and people might say oh, youre just puffing yourself up. Youre high on your own fumes. No Trump Administration own lawyers went into the courtroom and said the president of the United States can throw out whoever he wants out of the white house. We couldnt have a situation like that. I was grateful, our entire industry stood behind us. Had they not, i think could it have worked out a different way. So i think, you know, it hasnt been perfect. Were all grappling with how do we cover this president . My sense is that we have to stand for truth. Were not just here to report the news. Were here also to defend the truth. When you have a president who has made, you know, 10,000 false or misleading statements since the beginning of his administration, you know that makes us Fact Checkers in realtime. Puts us in a position unlike republicans who controlled the government for two years sort of makes the for the state the press the check on a presidency that sometimes goes outside the bounds of normal president ial behavior. Your tired . Am i tired . You know, maybe after this is all and said and done with the book tour ill take a break. I love this job like do you. I feel this is an important time and the challenge that were up against. I deeply and passionately believe that. I know your father, im a dad, i dont want our kids to group in a country where its okay to say the press is the enemy. Its not taking a stand on a political issue. Its taking a stand on an american issue. We should not be called the enemy of the people. Youre not my enemy. Trump supporters are not our enemy. So i hope if theres an overarching message that folks take away from this book they have a deep appreciation for what we do and one, listen, were out here doing our jobs and were not the enemy. Thanks for being here. The book is enemy of the people. 90 days, thats how long its been since a formal on extra white house briefing, 90 days. Thats a record. Lets bring them back. 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Hes chair of a subcommittee involving antitrust thats holding an important hearing about big tech on tuesday. First, i do wonder where things stand with regards to Robert Mueller . He still has not spoken to any house or senate committee. Whats the hold up . I know there have been ongoing discussions with mr. Muellers team and the Judiciary Committee. They understand its critical mr. Mueller come before the committee. He has a duty to walk the American People through the findings of his report, explain his decisions and the evidence he collected. I expect mr. Mueller will be before the Judiciary Committee. Do you feel the democrats have lost the messaging war on this issue . No. Look we want to make sure were doing it right. Went to respectful of the special counsel. Its always better if a witness comes voluntarily. Someone who has devoted 22 months to this intense investigation deserves that treatment and i think trying to accommodate him makes sense. But if that doesnt work then obviously well compel his attendance. No question the American People need to hear from the special counsel. Youre starting a series of hearings on tuesday involving big tech. Youre not the only part of the government looking into google, facebook, et cetera. We learned this week the ftc and doj have divvied up responsibility for probes into these gigantic players. What do you want to learn with your congressional hearings involving antitrust . Well this is part of really a broad investigation. This is a bipartisan investigation launched by the Judiciary Committee that will be led by the antitrust subcommittee. Its to look at the entire marketplace. Its to look at the monopoly moment were in and figure out how to get the market working right. I want to make sure they are not engaging in behavior thats harming our consumers. That they are not excluding rivals. Competition matters in our economy. Its how you generate innovation and entrepreneurship and protect consumers. And weve seen some consequences of this tremendous concentration of economic power in these Large Technology platforms, a complete disregard for privacy of users, misuse of data so consumers dont control what happens to their data. So this is going to be a top to bottom review to see how the markets are working. What do we need to do to make sure competition exists in this space and we are protecting users and consumers and people who use the internet. You called for the breakup of facebook. Why should companies no i havent called for break up of facebook. I called for an ftc investigation and well look at a number of Technology Companies including facebook but broad this is not focused on a particular company. Its focused on the digital marketplace, where these Large Technology platforms are dominant to figure out why the marketplace is not working. I wonder if you have any view of President Trump weighing in not on the Technical Companies but the big media companies. We saw this week the president suggesting a boycotting of at t because he doesnt like how cnn covers him. He was pretty explicit. He called out comcast yesterday when criticizing nbc. Is it appropriate for a president to suggest the boycott of an American Company because he doesnt like the News Coverage . Of course not. I was listening to your interview of jim acost skra. The media are the guardians of our democracy. Thats the first hearing were going to conduct the impact of these large duopolys on access to trustworthy local news, reliable information. These two large platforms are taking much of the revenue using the content of local newspapers and Online Publishers and putting them out of business. You see examples all across the country. Thats a problem. These small newspapers dont have leverage. They can negotiate with the two big large platforms. 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The bill would allow publishers to temporarily bypass the existing antitrust laws that otherwise protect big tech from having to negotiate with these publications. Let me explain. I spoke with three witnesses who are set to testify at tuesdays hearing. All said they plan to plug this pending piece of legislation. News media alliance, sally hubbard, and the editor of the atlanta constitution kevin reilly. I asked them what this bill is all about. You know the government cant regulate the News Business under the First Amendment but now we have two Major Companies that effectively do regulate us. They stand between us and our readers and determine everything about that relationship. What were asking is for the ability to news publishers to be able to act collectively, to bargain for better more sustainable arrangement because the platforms now get advantage of all of our content and return very little of the money back to sustain the future of journalism. You want what . A four year opportunity for newspapers to Work Together . Yeah. Interestingly, the antitrust laws currently protect google and facebook from us, if you can believe that or not. What we want is antitrust exemption, if you will, safe harbor that would allow us to collectively act to negotiate for a better deal. Its limited in time to four years. And its about money, yes, but its also about algorithms and data and how our brand is presented to folks opinion were not asking the government to regulate anybody or tax anybody. Were asking them mostly to just leave us alone. This bill is called the journalism competition and preservation act. People can google it and read more about it. Sally, is this bill a good idea . Ordinarily, i dont support exemptions from the antitrust laws but in this case i do support this bill. At this point the Bargaining Power that the Tech Companies have is so huge and the publishers really dont have any Bargaining Power to get fair terms and conditions. So i think its appropriate for this situation and especially because its limited in scope, i do support it. I also wanted to point out that the hearing is not only about this bill. The exemption is very important but we need to have other remedies to break up the stranglehold that the tech platforms have over the ad revenue thats so essential to support journalismism. Theres a realization in congress and i had a chance to talk to representative collins. The realization is gosh this system isnt working. The american way is the person who really invests in something as a local newspaper invests enormous amounts of money and time in covering local news and local issues, ought to benefit from that investment. I noticed in a reason speech you talked about how the constitution has changed, used to be 80 of the revenue comes from contiguous and 20 comes from subscriptions and you said now that has to flip. Now you got to be primarily supported based on subscriptions. We see the transition from papers across the country. How is that transition going . Let me try to explain it this way because at the Atlanta Journal constitution, our audience has never been larger than it is today. And i think thats true of many, many newspapers when you combine the print audience and the massive digital audience that we can all garner in our markets. So does it make sense at a time when our audience, thats at its biggest point our Financial Difficulties are at their most difficult point . To me that doesnt make sense. I mean it sound illogical. Were going to have full coverage of tuesdays hearing at cnn business. Com. Before we go, let me quickly tell you about my new podcast. Its a five series called apoll low 11, beyond the moon. You can listen to my interview with Michael Collins but some other special guests. Go to apple, spotify or whatever your favorite podcasting app is. Well be back with more reliable sources in just a moment. Biopharmaceutical researchers. 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They were looking for evidence, for information involving leaks of secret information about possible unlawful killings by australian troops in afghanistan. So in other words, its a leak hunt. Weve seen these in countries around the world. A new report finds press freedom is deteriorating in many countries including australia. Lets talk about that. Our panel is back with me. How serious is this to see federal police raid agnus room looking for a leak center this is deeply disturbing. These are stories that are unquestionably in the public interest. They concern matters of surveillance, of national security, there is always a line that journalists have to exercise about making sure that their report is tailored making sure they are not putting people in danger. These stories met that standard. I think its deeply worrying. When i travelled to australia last year to talk about reporting on me too, i heard from australia jan journn journw constrained they are. They dont have a written statute that protects journalists. It comes down the disregulation of law enforcement. Thats a dangerous place. Even in the United States where we do have those constitutional protections theres still a certain amount of discretion that prosecutors can exercise and so when you see journalistic activities, for example in the u. S. Being prosecuted under the espionage act its important to look to australia okay we have our First Amendment but theres always a danger of criminalizing journalism. Has a Chilling Effect. Lets put on the screen a map showing deteriorating conditions in many different countries. We saw this recently in San Francisco where a freelance journalist home was raided because police there looking for a leaker. This is more about norms, not laws. Its important to point out the afp raided the home of a journalist as part of this leak hunt inside of australian media. That should be also deeply, deeply disturbing, you know. We like to think of sort of a wall between our professional lives and personal lives and when that wall is crossed by, in this case the afp, i think that has a certain Chilling Effect on the way journalists do their job that maybe police are going to come in to my home and raid my home. Not just my place of business which is bad enough but your personal space. Whether its sidney or San Francisco or sidney or somewhere else, these reports are in the public interest. I think the interesting thing is we have the First Amendment. A lot of these countries dont. We have courts that are supposed to back it up. Were not entirely sure thats going to happen anymore. Thats a little bit in doubt. I think the people of the country have to step up and say, this is intolerable. And thankfully, there have been. I think thats a good there has been a lot of outrage. Quick break here. Much more with the panel in a moment, including a conversation about youtubes latest ban sparking debate. paul great. 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Go to xfinity. Com moving to get started. Where is the line and whos deciding . Every week, theres news about a tech company banning accounts. This week, its been youtube announcing theyre going to ban white supremacist content, nazi content, also videos showing proven atrocities. Theres been a backlash and some problems with the way its being enforced. Some educational videos about these issues have also been removed and banned. Lets bring back our panel to discuss this. S. E. Cupp, seems like its been a year now, conversations about banning accounts. Weve seen a lot of changes in that year. And i think people find the slope to be very slippery. Its a tough line to navigate. In this case, i think airing on the side of not censoring is generally the best position, especially when censoring includes educational information, facts, history. I find it particularly jarring, though, that the people begging corporations to scensor this ar mostly journalists. This is really alarming to me. Are journalists begging or calling out extremist content on the platforms . They are doing both. They are saying, youtube, you must do something about this and that is generally getting rid of this content. But journalists exercise editorial judgment every day. Injury. Thats not censorship, thats deciding whats good quality content, whats ensicitement. The larger question is, its beyond white supremacist content, its misogynistic content, its antivax, its pedophilia. But should we meet terrible speech with more speech . But the recognition engine of youtube takes us into a new territory. There has been excellent reporting and studies in the last week, a lot are published in the new york times, showing that beyond even this more speech, the recommendation engine of youtube is driving people towards evermore extreme content. Thats an editorial curatioatio that theyre doing. And they want to make money off of that. Theyve been making money off of that. 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