Collusion. Some of his fellow republicans are set to rebuke him on foreign policy. Might a white house shakeup help him get back on course . John kelly will be leaving. Marco rubio will be here next. And taking on trump. Hello, New Hampshire democrats are looking ahead to 2020. Very good people out there. Very crowded field of potential candidates did some of those contenders already miss their moment . Hello. Im jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is attempting to connect the dots. President trump seems to be trying his best to change the subject, announcing saturday he will be replacing his chief of staff, john kelly, an announcement that was supposed to be made tomorrow. This, after some of the most significant clues yet into President Trumps potential political and legal vulnerabilities in the ongoing special counsel investigation as well as the Southern District of new yorks probe into his former associate Michael Cohen. The president is also trying to put his own spin on the story, falsely claiming that he is, quote, totally cleared and saying this on saturday. On the mueller situation, were very happy with what we are reading because there was no collusion whatsoever. There never has been. The last thing i want is help from russia on a campaign. It is difficult to imagine how the president or any of his supporters could be, quote, very happy with these new legal filings from Robert Mueller and federal prosecutors. For the first time prosecutors implicated President Trump in two crimes, saying he directed Michael Cohen to make these hush money payments to two women in order to impact the 2016 president ial election. The filings also offer new insights into the depth of the special counsels russia investigation, including previously unknown attempts to infiltrate the Trump Campaign in 2016 and reveal that both Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen have been in touch with people closely connected to the white house as recently as this year. Lets go straight to the incoming chairman of the house judiciary committee, congressman jerry nadler of new york, soon to be mr. Chairman. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate it. Thank you. I want to read a key line from the Southern District of new york filing friday. Quote with respect to both payments cohen acted with the intent to influence the 2016 president ial election in particular and as cohen himself has now admitted with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of individual one. Individual one, of course, is President Trump. So, thats crystal clear. Federal prosecutors are saying that the presidnt ordered Michael Cohen to commit two federal Campaign Finance felonies. In your view, does that rise to the level of an Impeachable Offense . I think with these indictments and filings show is that the president was at the center of a massive fraud several massive frauds against the American People. Its now our job, the job of the Justice Department, the special counsel and the congress to get to the bottom of this, to find out exactly what was going on, to find out the extent of the president s involvement, to find out basically what the president knew, when did he know it, so we can hole him accountable. If it is proven that the president directed or coordinated with cohen to commit these felonies i understand its been alleged but not yet proven. If proven, would they be Impeachable Offenses . They would be. Whether theyre important enough to justify an impeachment is another question. Certainly theyre Impeachable Offenses. Even though they were committed before the president became president , they were committed in the service of fraudulently obtaining the office. That would be the that would be an Impeachable Offense. The fact of the matter is that what we see from these indictments and charging statements is a much broader conspiracy against the American People, involving these payments, involving an attempt to influence the campaign improperly, with improper payments involving the russians, trying to influence the campaign, involving the president lying for an entire year about his ongoing business arrangements business dealings with the russians, involving obstruction of justice. All of these have to be looked at very seriously by the congress, by the special counsel and by the Justice Department and to see what alcohols we should then take and what is clear also is that the Republican Congress absolutely tried to shield the president. The new congress will not try to shield the president. We will try to get to the bottom of this in order to serve the American People and to stop this mafs fraud on the American People. Can you explain what you mean when you differentiate between maybe these are if its proven, its Impeachable Offenses but that does not necessarily mean that the offenses themselves are important enough to actually begin pros proceedings of impeachment . There seems to be a difference there in your view. Why . Its not necessarily a difference. Its simply two different considerations. You dont necessarily launch an impeachment against the president because he committed an Impeachable Offense. There are several things you have to look at. One, were Impeachable Offenses committed, how many, et cetera. Secondly, how important were they . Do they rise to the gravity where you should undertake an impeachment . An impeachment is an attempt to effect or overturn the result of the last election and should do it only in very serious situations. Thats the question. You just said that the president seems to have been in the middle of a massive fraud against the American People. That doesnt sound like somebody who thinks that these alleged crimes dont rise to the level of needing impeachment. I didnt say they dont rise i said we have to get to the bottom of all of this. We have to find out exactly what was going on. We have to look at these crimes and what did the president know, when did he know about these crimes . We have to look at the russian interference in the campaign, to what extent he knew about that and cooperated with that, if he did. We have to look at his business dealings and look at the fact that he surrounded himself with crooks, campaign manager, deputy complain manager, National Security adviser, all of them, and a host of other people, were meeting with russians and expressed interest in meeting again. None of them reported it to the proper authorities. Theyve all been indicted for one crime or another. The president created his own swamp and brought it to the white house. These are all very serious things. We have to get to the bottom of this, find out what the facts are. We, and the special counsel, and then make decisions. You say youre considering legislation that would pause the statutes of limitations for any crimes a president might commit while hes in office, the current Justice Department guidelines that a sitting president , although theyre in dispute, but whether or not theyre suggesting that a current president cannot be indicted. Do you think a current president cannot be indicted . If so, do you think President Trump should be susceptible to being indicted after he leaves the white house . I disagree with the office of the special counsel and department of justice, nothing in the constitution prohibits a president from being indicted and i think its very important that this country originated in a rebellion against the english king. We did not seek to create another king. Nobody, not the president or anybody else can be above the law. Theres no reason to think that the president should not be indicted. The reason given by the office of Legal Counsel is that it would take up too much of his time, he couldnt do his job. The constitution specifically allows an impeachment. I dont agree that a president cant be indicted. Insofar as the Justice Department refuses to indict a president no matter what the crimes, because they think he cant be indicted, we should certainly tow the statute of limitations so if he has done something where he should be indicted and they would not consider indicting him as president , he shall be indicted afterwards. Nobody should be above the law. Youre going to continue the investigation into whether biased fbi influence investigations youve called it a waste of time, nonsense. A lot of people on both sides of the aisle were appalled by the attacks of lisa page and peter strzok before and after the 2016 election. Are you not concerned at all by ending that investigation youll be shirking the congressional oversight responsibility over the Justice Department and the fbi . No. I think that was thoroughly investigated by the Inspector General, who found that while a couple some of the agents inside the fbi had their personal opinions about candidate trump, which theyre entitled to, the Inspector General in his very thorough report found that those opinions did not, in any way, influence the actions of the department. The department, remember, is prohibited by law for asking the political opinions of anybody they hire. Plenty of people were supporting trump in the fbi and department of justice. Plenty of people who didnt like him. Thats their personal opinion and the fact that one of them said it to another on the is okay as long as they didnt bring any bias to any decisions and the Inspector General found that they did not. This has been thoroughly investigated. Frankly, its not a question of ending the investigation. Theres nothing left to investigate. Its been done several times. In point of clarity, the Inspector General said that about the investigations of Hillary Clintons email server through the summer of 2016, but i dont think they reached the same conclusion, necessarily, about decisions made after that. He said there was for the second one, he said there was no evidence that he saw. All right. Soontobe chairman of the house judicial committee, jerry nadler, thank you. We appreciate your time. Thank you. The president said by the end of the year his chief of staff will be gone. Will his replacement try to restore order or will it be more let trump be trump . 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If the last year was an example of order, clarity and good sense, are you at all concerned about what happens next in the white house without john kelly . It depends on who they put in as his replacement. Im a huge john kelly fan. Ive known him since he served in florida. His last assignment before runnirun ing working for the military. Theres always a turnover in chief of staff. Every president has at least a couple. Well see who they put as a replacement and well go from there. Hes hard to replace, no doubt about it. Hopefully it will be someone just as qualified, just as strong that is good for our country to have someone like that in our post. New Court Filings from the Southern District of new york. Here is what they wrote about trump lawyer and fixer, Michael Cohen. Desired outcome knocked on doors or phoned, cohen did so by soliciting secret and illegal payments. They say he made the payment, quote, in coordination with and direction of then candidate donald trump. You were a candidate for president in 2016, running against donald trump. Does it bother you that they were breaking campaign laws, allegedly, in order to win the election . Not about me. When that happened i was well outside the race. Its about our country, what the laws are and no one should be above the law. At the beginning of all of this, i said we deserve the truth. No one is beneath the law. No one is entitled by the protections of it but no one is above it. Mr. Cohen has a version of it. Obviously, those who are accused or potentially accused as part of it have another. We dont know what Additional Information the Justice Department has to corroborate some of this. They dont necessarily have to put that in these filings. So my interest, from the very beginning, in all of this, is for all the information to be out there before the American People so that the court system can make judicial and justice decisions and the American People can make political decisions and congress as well. So, im going to wait for all of that to come forward. Obviously this is relevant information. And things that cannot and should not be ignored. If it is proven that the president directed an aide to commit felonies to influence the election, what should the repercussions be . Were speculating, right . You have someone facing criminal charges, facing sentencing and looking for leniency saying one thing and its not atypical people to be very cooperative and sometimes stretch the truth. Im not saying thats what happened here. And you have someone who denies it. If someone has violated the law the application of the law should be applied to them like it would any other citizen in this country. Obviously, if youre in a position of Great Authority like the presidency, that would be the case. I dont know if it will reach that point or not well have to wait and see. My decision will not ab political nation but the fact that with we are a nation of laws and no one in this country, no matter who you are, is above it. Its not just Michael Cohen saying this. The Southern District of new york u. S. Attorney is asserting this. And that was what was stark about the different language. They werent just saying according to cohen, such and such. They were saying this happened. And thats why i think people should reserve judgment. We dont know what Additional Information they have to corroborate taking that position. And there may be additional evidence presented at the sentencing phase later on. We dont know. It may just be based on his testimony. Because we dont know, we cant make decisions or pronouncements on things we dont know yet. Gates has called for the president to pardon his form er campaign chair, Paul Manafort, part of the Mueller Investigation not the Southern District of new york. Would that be a mistake . Yes, and i would strongly counsel against it. I dont think that, in my view, the president ial pardon power was not created for these sorts of purposes. I just think it would be the wrong thing to do. I think it would be a huge political mistake as well. I hope that doesnt happen. That would be my position on it. Lets turn to saudi arabia. You introduced a resolution that finds the saudi princrown princ quote, complicit, in the murder of jamal khashoggi. Now the New York Times is reporting that the president s soninlaw, jared kushner, has been coaching the crown prince on how to withstand the blowback of the murder of jamal khashoggi. Do you think the administration is upholding the values of america . I dont know if thats true but the alliance with saudi arabia is an Important Alliance. Its with the saudi alliance, not with the crown prince. It has limits, like any alliance would. This is a crown prince that say reckless individual. Hes young, immature. In addition to that, he is reckless. And if hes going to continue to test the boundaries of what he can get away with internationally and within our alliance until those boundaries are set. As far as knowing that hes engaged look, here is the bottom line. We dont need direct evidence that he ordered the code red on this thing. The bottom line is that there is no way that 17 people close to him got a charter plane, flew to a third country, went into a consulate, killed and chopped up a man, flew back and he didnt know about it, much less order it. We dont know its a stretch of credibility to believe in a country like that this is not a decentralized country. A man with his power, his influence and his control did not know it and did not order, thats not believable. Especially knowing what we know about that government. Thats why we filed that resolution. I feel strongly it is as much about who we are as a nation as it is about the gentleman who was killed here. Its a terrible thing that happened to him and his family. Im not diminishing t as a country, we cannot be a nation that says when our allies do something horrifying, were going to look away. Im not sayi ining shutter the relationship with saudi arabia. Its an Important Alliance but we have to be clear that america is not a supporter of it and will not be a facilitator of these crimes. Is President Trump looking away, and facilitating a crime . I dont know about facilitating because its after the fact. U. S. Foreign policy and our alliances are important, but they are not without limits. Its in our National Interest to care about this. Human rights violations, and if someone is chopping people up in a consulate, you know theyre going to violate human rights at home and around the world. It leads to mass migration, instability, the fuel behind radicalism and sometimes it gets the government overthrown and those people who overthrow them hate us because we were supporting them. There are allegations that a Republican Campaign operative in North Carolinas 9th district threw out democratic votes, altered absentee ballots, both the democrat and republican in North Carolina are raising the possibility of a new election there, as im sure you remember in florida a few weeks ago, you were very outspoken about the fear of democratic lawyers trying to, quote, steal the election during the recounts in florida, ultimately republicans won both of the recounts. Are you concerned at all about whats happening in North Carolina, which seems to have very concrete examples of Election Fraud . And if you are concerned, how come you havent said anything about it yet . In the case of florida, its one county. Broward county. Elections official that im very familiar with, everyone in florida is very familiar with, including our state press, who was incompetent and that created an opening for lawyers to go to court and have state law reinterpreted in a way that could have impacted the election. Thats what i characterize as stealing. Elections should be decided by voters not by courts. In terms of North Carolina, i dont know nearly much about it, only what i read in the press. If someone did Something Like that, i dont care who it benefited, that should not count. That should not happen. The individual responsible for it should potentially be prosecuted and removed from office. It should be decided by voters, not judges and not by Election Officials violating the law. If thats what happened in North Carolina, that person should be held accountable and whatever remedy that is appropriate should be applied. I dont know as much about the North Carolina case as i do about the florida one because weve been living the brenda snipes saga for over a decade here in broward county. Senator marco rubio, thank you for your time. We appreciate it, as always. Thank you. President trump is wrongly insisting that he has been exonerated in the russia investigation. Is it too late for damage control at this point . Stay right here. Well be right back. Daddy diaper duty. I cant say its the highlight of fatherhood. But id rather be here with my little man than not be here because of migraine. I have three words for migraine. I am here. Aimovig, a preventive treatment for migraine in adults, reduces the number of monthly migraine days. For some, that number can be cut in half or more. The most common side effects are pain, redness or swelling at the injection site and constipation. Talk to your doctor about aimovig. And be there more. Whats the worst part about paying for things you dont want . The paying. 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John kelly will be leaving at the end of the year. Well be announcing who will be taking johns place. It might be on an interim basis. Ill be announcing that over the next day or two. President trump announcing yesterday that chief of staff john kelly is leaving, which means that in fewer than three years of being president , he will have had three chiefs of staff and, of course, there is really a tweet for everything. In 2012, three chiefs of staff in less than three years of being president , part of the reason why barack obama cant manage to pass his agenda, unquote. A tweet for everything, as always. Lets talk about john kelly. Are you concerned about his leaving . People think he brought some measure, obviously limited to a degree but some measure of stability. The lockdown general that trump respects didnt work. Didnt work in controlling trump. I like the idea of someone who is a politician, someone who is respected by the president for his political instincts. That, to me, is the secret sauce of how to get the president to focus on his agenda and the things many of us have been telling him to focus on. John kelly could never make that argument. Politically, you cant do this. Who is he to say that . Nick ayers or others with a political background could be much more influential. Or Rick Santorum . No, not Rick Santorum. Despite the Southern District of new yorks assertion that President Trump directed Michael Cohen to commit two felonies, the president thinks hes in the clear. He tweeted, totally clears the president , thank you, to which Kellyanne Conways husband tweeted except for that little part where the District Attorneys Office says that you commit committed two felonies. Other than that, totally scotfree. When this is all done we want to see whats laid before congress, what the evidence is. Were taking every new filing, extrapolating what that means in the long run. We dont know. Is this something bigger . Is this a Campaign Finance violation, which i dont think would be anywhere near impeachable. Thats what we want to find out at the end of the mueller thing. But the democrats run a risk as we heard jerry nadler earlier talking about impeachment. We may not impeach but its an Impeachable Offense. I would be very careful because that will derail the next two years of their agenda. Of course, congressman, of course. On the point of going too far, i agree but if theres something there, congress job is to be the check and balance. The Republican Controlled Congress was not. They should do their job but also show a vision for america and not squust only be antiPresident Trump. They should be able to do both. Even without everything laid bare, this is what we know of all the people who have pled guilty or been convicted since President Trump took office. Trumps personal attorney, Michael Cohen, campaign chair, Paul Manafort, Campaign Adviser and National Security adviser mike flynn, George Papadopoulos and rick gates. Thats a lot of people very close to the president. Ironically, not ironically, because of who the president is, all five of those have been convicted of lying. This is like a confederacy of liars. And, of course, trump being the primo of them all, given the volume of lies that he has told since he has been president. When i woke up this morning feeling so relieved about was that bob mueller is like the hes there, putting his flag in the ground for truth. When you think about the next generation of kids and looking at this president going its okay to lie. Bob mueller is having none of that. He is bringing truth and hone y honesty, nobility and integrity back just by virtue of these statements of documents and im happy about that. The problem is that if you look at the other two major impeachable events weve had in modern times, Richard Nixon and bill clinton, there was a crime. There was a crime. Richard nixon, there was a breakin at the the pentagon papers, a breakin at watergate and there was a crime, whitewater. The governor of thats not why he was impeached. Im getting to that. But there was a real crime that the special prosecutor really investigated. We have no real crime here. You dont know that. So far theres no evidence that there was a crime between the Trump Campaign, which was the basz of this investigation. If this investigation produces a crime is he paid off a stripper, thats the basis of all of this porn star. Excuse me, a porn star. A very important distinction. And potentially a playboy model. Okay. But the bottom line is theres no major crime here, certainly not for the thrust of the investigation. Were not there yet. Im saying they havent gotten that. Unless they do, all these other things are simply not rising to the level. When you were senator, you voted in favor of impeaching bill clinton on the basis of a lie, which was about his personal conduct. It wasnt about whitewater. It wasnt about something that that being said, i think theres going to be a lot more there. Well see. In addition to these payoffs. But be careful about history. I called for an independent investigation before one was named. I want answers. I want people that broke the law to be held accountable, period. I dont care if youre republican, democrat or anything. Whats been unfair is that for two years, this president , by his political enemies, has been discredited. They say hes i see it all the time. Whether its on twitter, Mainstream Media or anywhere. He is a stooge of russia. He is one of the most hawkish president s against russia ive seen since reagan and probably including reagan from sanctions to lethal aid to ukraine, to bombing and killing 200 russian mercenaries and taking them out in ten minutes but for two years he has had to deal with being discredited and its happening with every new piece of information. Lets get answers and see what happens. Two things with the Mueller Investigation. Someone legal and the other is political. And both the governor and the senator is bringing that up. On the legal end, maybe, maybe not. We still have to wait. Politically, the president is the lion king and all the kings men or most of the kings men have been caught lying. Discouraging news for possible president ial candidates, ones whose campaigns havent even gotten started, and encouraging news for others. Stay with us. Got directions to the nightclub here. And if you get lost, just hit me on the old horn. 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Do you want him to run again . Are you still feeling the burn . Im still feeling the burn. Hes seriously thinking about it. All that he has said, he has not totally made up his mind. He is probably one of the very few in that mix who would say still looking to see who might be the best person to actually do this job. I think democrats in this country can expect lots of variety in 2020 on the democratic side. Were going to spice it up in 2020 on the democratic side. Lot of spice. 35 spices. At least 20 in 2020, we know that for sure, or more. We didnt have that in 2016. Although i am very supportive of senator sanders i am also supportive of anybody that wants to run should get out there. Is there anybody that you like that youre looking at . One of the people who i totally love dropped out this week, thats deval patrick. I want someone who can cause our hearts to soar and is grounded. Im all about the spice. I just dont want the heartburn. I do think we will have an incredibly robust and wonderful example of democracy. And im excited about it. Is there any democrat you think that youre afraid of, that you dont want . Be honest. Here is where i come down. When the democrats win, they pick someone unexpected or someone who is not the favorite. Bill clinton, barack obama. Bill clinton, barack obama, jimmy carter. When they pick john kerry, al gore or hillary clinton, they lose. And so im hoping for bernie, elizabeth, someone like that, tired old joe biden. Put them out there, well win. If they pick someone new, i think they have a chance. Elizabeth warren, speaking of massachusetts, deval patrick, Elizabeth Warren from massachusetts. New york times skewered her decision to release a dna result saying she is native american. She has become a divisive figure and a polarizing voice is what democrats need. I think the country is unbelievably divided, admonish the president on that as well. Better rhetoric. The Democratic Party in 2020, i think theyll end up with a far left candidate. Right now even the leadership of nancy pelosi, theyre begging for their far left, turning to the far left. It wont be a centrist party. If it was, they would put up somebody like joe biden and unlike santorum, i think that biden would be a difficult candidate. Whats far left . Bernie sanders. Wanting people to have a 15 hour minimum wage. 25 trillion. Medicare for all. Same budget you guys gave to the military industrial complex. There is no far left. So dont paint there is a far left. Senator sanders is far left. As far as im not going to talk over you. Go ahead. I appreciate that. As far as people being tired, you know, whoever runs will be running against President Trump most likely and the last time i checked, he wasnt a spring chicken. So once we start getting into ageism, its a problem. I said joe biden. You think joe biden could beat donald trump . Yeah. He has run as a centrist. I think he can attract the kind of people that are voting for donald trump, the middle class, blue collar workers. I think he can take that away. He won over the middle. Let me, please. Thank you. You put somebody like Bernie Sanders up, were probably a moderate country not a liberal country. Senator gillebrand tweeted female, intersectual and we are just getting started. Donald trump jr. Said good to know. When is it appropriate to let my boys know theres no future for them . Not sure this is a winning platform but you be you. Forgetting don juniors part of this for a second, what do you think the idea is female and intersectional . This mid term shows that it rose up but were still not half of congress or half of the supreme court, we hold up half the sky and more than half of the votes but were still not represented. I think it is time for a woman to be on the ticket. I disagree that the agenda will be as important. I think theyre all far left. 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