Speaker offered and if you oppoe it or support it . Guest first of all, greta, its a sad day when we are at the lat minute and coming up, we have seven days left in legislative session to be dealing with a budget and appropriation bills that should have been dealt with a month ago. One of the agreements for those of us that held our vote from mccarthy is he would go to regular order which means having the 12 appropriation bills in june or july so we could look at it and make cuts and get this country back on a firm economic footing. That hasnt happened and hard to get the speaker to come up with something concrete. This is what we want and this is the bear minimum we ought to hae in this country, were 32 trillion in debt and counting. What we ask for is the total number to be 1. 47 trillion. Along with that, a firm border policy that the border is stopping the illegals coming across the country thats over five million that we know of. The wokeness in the military, firm cuts in that. And thats the beginning of e sent is a letter in july. Thats what were asking for. What do we hear . Crickets. And the 12 appropriation bills, youve got 60s them. And theres been help in h. H. S. What we wanted was spelled out n paperback in july. What he has suggested is a clean c. R. , which is meaning to go to the pelosi budget and Chuck Schumer budget which would put s right at, you know, i think her last numbers were 5 trillion. Or 6 trillion. Either way, it was insane. Were just not going along with that. Well see what happens. Well come back the next two weeks and the odds of getting te appropriation bills now passed are slim to none. Theres going to be some type of c. R. But cant be a clean c. R. Host do you support a governmet shutdown if your demands are not met . Mr. Norman if we cant come to an agreement on firm cuts the country is on life support. I dont support bankruptcy. So if it comes to a Government Shutdown, lets have it until we can get numbers that make sense to the American People. What were asking for, greta, is not out of the question. Youve got to remember, the government 67 sure shut down the businesses over a stupid covid shot. They sure shut down education ad took children out of the classrooms. No, if thats what it takes, well do it. Host according for reuters, ths number you and other Freedom Caucus members are demanding, te 1. 47 trillion is 120 billion less than what President Biden and Republican House speaker Kevin Mccarthy agreed to in may. The white house and senate leaders, including top republicn Mitch Mcconnell have rejected your demand. Mr. Norman ok. Last time i checked there are three branches of government. The house controls the purse strings. I heard from day one weve got o abide from what the senate will pass. No, let us send our package ove, thats conservative. If the senate wants to shut it down, let them shut it down. Im tired of ceding the power to a senate out of control with spending. Theyve got to come down to reality. Again, this isnt a number thats unreasonable. Its a very reasonable number. Weve got to get back control of outofcontrol spending in this country. And this is the first step. And if not now, when . And im tired of these you know, these deadlines, youre going to shut the government down. I heard the same thing on the debt ceiling. Janet yellen moved the debt ceiling date three times. I dont think there ever was a firm date the government was going to run out of money. She started june, june 2 and thn to the 5th and its insane. Thats not how you negotiate. Were going to negotiate to the people in the country and were going to give them well cut the spending, this meager amoun. Ill tell you there are a lot in the Freedom Caucus, including m, would have wanted far more cuts because the only thing this president has given us is a bloated budget and given us a lt we can put in front of the American People and say this is why we think it ought to be cut. And you know, its just the beginning. But were not moving on this. And he doesnt have the votes. And we ought to be up here this weekend and take as long as it takes to work this thing out and come to an agreement. Host instead has the speaker said youre going home . Mr. Norman yes, were catchinga plane today. Its up to him to set the agend. Kevin has done im not going to criticize him. Hes done some good things. But the spending is the cancer n the country. Now, im for the biden impeachment and im for what james and others are doing takig front and center stage. But ill make the argumentoff control spending is front and center stage. Host wall street journal outline, mccarthy with fresh fire. Your Freedom Caucus colleague matt gabe said if next week im not seeing action from Kevin Mccarthy to come into compliance with the deal he made in january with you and other of your colleagues, then i wouldnt bet against seeing motions to vacate the chair regularly until he is removed. Would you support those motions to vacate the chair . Mr. Norman im not going there on that now. I hope kevin does. If he put a 10th of the time to get the country on spending cuts as he did with getting the speakership, he didnt have 218 when he started but he worked and to his credit he got it. There were 20 of us that held out for the five days. But the story is he worked at it. I dont see anybody working at this other than the few people that have come out and said will you support this . No. And others that, you know what i learned in d. C. , every dollar has an advocate. And they need the government needs to go on a diet and were putting them on it this time. Host the speaker announced a speaker inquiry to President Biden and you said youd support it. Did the speaker announce that in hopes of getting you and others to support this spending plan . Mr. Norman two straight issues. The biden impeachment which should have happened a long time ago was separate issues than spending. You cant link the two together. He did the right thing to announce it. You know, what this president has done is, you know, shipwrecked this country. But its two separate issues. You cant link the two. Host lets go to calls, richard in canada, a republican. Caller good morning, congressman . Guest good morning. Caller how come Mitch Mcconnell and others have been silent on what james comer uncovered on biden and bank record. A lot of the republicans i spoke to think theyre taking money from foreign governments and also completely silent on all the fraud that was uncovered in the Arizona Election in 2022 and shes going to trial december 21 on the signature verification. What do you think about that . Thank you very much. Guest i dont understand why theyre quiet. If theres a time to showcase to the American People hard evidence, i mean, you know, the 20 million he supposedly took money, the family did, and didnt pay taxes on. The 20l. L. C. s dont just appear out of the air. This is hard evidence. I dont know why they are quiet about it. Weve got so many things this president is in violation of. One is the constitution and invasion on the border. The other is his mental competency. The man cant read a thank you note on the teleprompter. Thats why he doesnt give press conferences, i guess. I dont know why theyre quiet. Everybody in the senate ought to be is taking place and it is their duty to let the voters know what is taking place. Outraged over n place and its their duty to let the voters know whats taken place. And you know, but i guess youll have to ask them why theyre not saying anything. Ask them host the editorial board, republican said the chief is ins vital power of the house, writing no evidence so far emerged that the president committed anything closepresidea high crime or misdemeanor worthy of removal of office. Theres ample evidence hits son hunter profited from their shared last name and mr. Bidennd as Vice President attended dinners with his sons clients which shows poor judgment. It also has which shows poor jud become clear mr. Biden knew more about his business dealings than hehe previously claimed but there is no smoking gun directly linking joe biden to hunteriden to bides alleged wrongdoing. Mr. Mccarthy claims that republicans are just conducting oversight, that the impeachment inquiry is necessary toto ascerr sane to ascertain all the facts including finding such evidence if it exists buthing ts nothing this new effort will be able to access the house judiciary and oversight and tax writing committees couldnt already get as part of their ongoing probes. How do you respondhow do you re . To that, congressman . Guest completely ludicrous. Lets say hes right. Youvelets say got a president d hes going to be the most transparent president transparent thats ever existed in this country. Ts ever existed in this country. He has not released records on anything. And the democrats for five years never held the first hearing. If he is so hes fought to release anything. If hes so honest, lets produce the records and prove it. Again, whats already been uncovered is pretty serious. And i think what the impeachment inquiry will do is allow every committee to subpoena all the different people and look at the people that put their careers at risk by testifying what the son has done. Hunter has done. But it is time e clean, the president , and go with the committee and provide whatever they need if he is innocent. He has a lot to hide. What has been uncovered is serious. Host the crime . Guest we will find that out. After the committee. Kevin wants all of the facts in place before we accuse him of anything. The president can get all of the facts out. Our jury is the American People. Host in maryland, irene, democratic call. Caller ima proud i am a proud federal Government Employee and have been for almost 18 years. It is so interesting that you are coming on the show talking about we need to shut everything down, until we get our way. Is that how we teach our kids to behave . No. We teach them to work together, communicate, to get the goal that they need to get to. It is ridiculous that you think it is ok to shut down the biggest employer in the country for your own needs. It is kind of selfish. Not really a question and i doubt that you care, but the American People know this is ridiculous. Lets shut everything down when we dont get our way. Guest that is a ridiculous comment. We are working for her. Want to get the government under control. I guess you think the numbers, 32 trillion dollars and counting, is imaginary. It is like defying cavity. Gravity. If i jump off this ledge, it is not going to freefall but it is a hard stop that i have. The country is in a hard stop when it comes to spending, either she is denying that orim not doing this for you. Im not taking anything out of this. I want to cut it. If we lay down individual corporation bills and layout the individual cuts, live funding, other countries and many other things with this administration that she agrees with, if she wants to put her family in peril, people are tired of government anyway. She does that i assume on her family budget. Every business has to do it. But to continue spending is a ridiculous thought and im not going to be part of it. Host in maryland, dennis. A democratic color. Call. Caller if the government shuts down are you still being paid . I work for the federal government and i cant afford to shut down right now. It is too expensive. I am paying almost 400 a week for four kids and i cant afford that. I dont know how you think this is going to help me. They cut food stamps. I cant afford that. I know where im going to be if the government shuts down. Im going to protest in front of the senate and congress until you guys open it up. Because i cant afford it. This does not help me. Host will you still get paid . Guest my understanding is we dont. You have your essential services , deemed essential and nonessential. Social security checks still go out, medicaid checks still go out. The security still gets paid for my understanding. But the fact that he is just taking the position that we cant shut it down, we dont want to shut it down. That is not our first option. It is accept legitimate cuts so that his job will be secure the future and their children if they have any. Im doing this for children and grand children. But you have to get back the basic overlying premise and underlying facts. The country is going bankrupt. If you are bankrupt, you cant pay federal employees and you cant pay the security of the country. Economic security is national security. Im fighting for him. Most liberals take the position that you cant do it. Lets get us on a budget that is sustainable. If you think the current trend we are on, the spending that has occurred is ok, we have a difference of opinion and the math does not add up. Host in athens, georgia, independent. Caller morning. Representative norman, i told my wife less that as i listened to you and your colleagues in your general speeches that this is a good group of men. Good morning. How much do i love cspan . I love it immensely. I usually do not call throughout the week, i save my calls for the weekend. But representative ralph norman, you are a Wonderful Service for the United States. You are a true blooded American Patriot and you are trying to save the United States from itself. One less point. One of your colleagues said 33 trillion is 33,000 billion dollars and that brought it home. The amount of number numbers and money is huge. There is an advocate for every one of those dollars in the city of washington, d. C. Thank you, please continue the fight and stay on that floor in the middle of and speak your truth to power. Thank you, i love cspan. Talk to you later. Host congressman . Guest i push his comments. And hes right. These numbers dont lie. What we are proposing is very minimal. If you are bankrupt, what can you do . I was on an airplane and thought about the situation this countries and. You can have the nicest airplane, but if you are out of gas you dont fly. The country is in a dangerous position right now with other countries, what the president is doing to help enemies that dont like us. The 6 trillion that he gave to iran, a country that would love to close off the face of the earth. It is insane. If we cant do this, i dont know why we are appeared. We are appeared to save the country, and we are going to do the best we can. Because that is what we took the oath of office to do. Host in what carolina, a republican. Brenda. In youngsville, north carolina. It is your turn. Caller i just wanted to call and say thank you to representative norman for standing up for all of us in the country, no matter if you are a federal employee or an average citizen out there working. He is right, we are in trouble with the debt ceiling and somebody has got to stop it. The republicans do not want to shut down the country. No one wants to shut down the country. But the other side it does not seem like our ever willing to step in and make cuts. And try to get us anywhere near on budget. It is crazy to me. Im so grateful that he is making this a point to stand up and for everyone and it is for the future. Thank you. Host a followup on the question of whether or not you will get paid during a Government Shutdown. A quick search, and appears during the 2018 shut down, members of congress were still paid because according to usa today, congress is required to set its own salary to be paid by the treasury. Though salaries are outlined in separate laws from the appropriations legislation. Guest it was my understanding that we dont. But if that is the law, i guess we do. A lot of us sent the money back. We have only had four shutdowns in my memory and they were shortlived. But if you are correct on that, we ought to have to live under what everyone else is living under. We should knock at a paycheck. Its host robert in massachusetts, a democrat. Caller in massachusetts, young men, old men. Joe biden is an awful person. He is trying to save the country from republicans. He would retire. I want Hakeem Jeffries and Amy Klobuchar to run. Host turning to campaign 2024. Who do you support on the republican side . Guest nikki haley. Nikki haley is a proven leader. She has International Experience , she has had a great run as governor, she is a true conservative. If you want somebody who will get the country back on track, it is nikki haley. We need eight years of a young person leading this country and she will do for america what she did for south carolina. I know her and it would be a great day. I do think, as you can see what she has done after the debates, shes going to continue to go up in the polls. She will be the first female president and it could not come quick enough. Because joe biden is derailing this country in a way that ive never seen. If the other people calling are happy with a border out of control, 5 Million People have already come across illegally, if he likes that a crime in the streets and inflation, paying more for gas and everything else, we have a disagreement. But nikki haley will get this country back on track. Host why not former President Trump . Guest i like his policies. His policies were great. But we have got to win this and we need more than four years. He can only serve four years. Three, we need youth. Donald trump is a young 80 years old, but it is a grueling job and i think you need somebody that can attract moderates, independents. Nikki haley can do that. She has proven that. Host an independent. Good morning. Caller talking about the debt. When trump was in, he gave money to the wealthy. Hey gave tax seductions to the wealthy. He put 8 billion into the debt. Then we had bush that had all kinds of wars and never cashed out once had to pay for all of those. So you want to see where we have run up the debt, you can look at that kind of thing. Stop blaming other people. You cant even pass anything. Now we have so many children in poverty in this country who cant pass anything for that. Before you can get to the wealthy give to the wealthy, always. Host lets let the congressman respond. Guest youre not an independent, you are a democrat. Which is fine. That is in oldline, give to the wealthy. Tax cuts for businesses that runs this country. The government does not run this country, businesses do. What donald trump did was great for the economy and the family business. It was great for at every level. We do not have the issues we have now. If that caller is happy with what is going on in the country now and thinks that today you are better off than you were under the trump years, we have a different view of what is good in this country. What is happening is what biden is doing is insane. If she does not realize that, i feel for her. Host in virginia, a republican. Youre talking to congressman ralph norman. Caller good morning cspan and congressman. I am an independent thinking republican. I do not subscribe to talking points. I have a real life and a real job and a real family that depends on me. I have to work to pay for my familys bills. So you cant sit there and talk about their dust talk about your talking points. We know that this country is in deep trouble with the debt it is carrying. That did not happen because of democrats alone. A huge majority of that and republican president s it is your job to make sure the government is running. It is not your job to shut down the government just because you cant have your way. I know you dont say i am not a republican, but i am an independent thinking republican. That means i can think for myself. I can read, i can write. Host guest your response. Host your response. Guest lets take democrat in the publican out of it. The greatest country known to man. If we lose america, where do we go . You just said you have a business and you provide for your family, you said it is not my right to shut the government down. I am one of form to 35. With the senate, it is 535. Going to use my vote to try to stop insanity spending. I think i could sit down with you and go one by line and tell you exactly how it is. You would agree with me. If we do not agree, we would agree to disagree. But where you are off and i disagree with your thinking is im supposed to sit appear and let the government spend they want what they want and be ok with it and add to the debt. The 35 trillion, you can double that when you add social security, medicaid and medicare. It is going broke. Everybody, democrats, republicans would agree. The numbers dont lie. I appreciate your comments, but i am protecting you and americans who love this country and we are losing it. Im not going to sit back and watch that. Im going to use my vote to do what i know is right. Host one last call. Hillary in south carolina, independent. Caller i was calling because im listening to this representative and he said he did not know that they get paid if the government shuts down. And as long as he has been there in the government who should know that. Im quite sure he remembered getting his paychecks when the Government Shutdown before. The other thing he was talking about the budget. If you are so concerned about the budget, you took a ppp loan of 306 306 threaded 6005 hundred 20 and you got forgiveness to pay back. Why dont you pay that money back and get your colleagues to also pay their loans back and that will help the government. Thank you. Guest first of all, i do knock at the money. Im in the real estate business. That want to keep hotels open. 360,000 306,000 did not go to ralph norman. On the payments for congress, i understood that we did not get paid. If im wrong, i will admit it. But weve got a serious spending problem in this country and to deny and i think you live on another planet if you cant admit that. It is a growing number of us that are just not going to let that happen on our watch. We will see how it works. Hopefully it will be shut down long. Cspans washington journal a live forum to discuss the latest issue in government and public policy, from washington and across the country. 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Comcast supports cspan as a Public Service along with these other Television Providers giving you a front row seat to democracy. Host were back this morning with congressman espaillit. A member of the Appropriations Committee and a democrat from new york. Congressman,