Transcripts For CSPAN2 In Depth 20140830

50 essential issues that affect our freedom you write that socalled moderate politicians compromise and seek bipartisanship are the most dangerous among the entire crew in washington. Compromise is too often synonymous with selling out by the sounds a lot better. Guest moderation always sounds good and people want it. We all want to feel moderate and fair reasonable people so it does sell in politics but theres a difference between moderation where you sacrifice something you believe and cooperating with somebody else who might have a disagreement where you come together and do a coalition. Coalition. If in the conventional definition of moderation is if i want to be a true free market person, what i have to do is give up a little bit of free market in order to get to incorporate for somebody else so i see giving up on nonaggression and foreignpolicy and also on the protection of Civil Liberties will have a smaller nsa. We will have a little bit of Government Intervention. We will have a little bit of wealth and people have the president fight little wars but not big worse. Thats what i think is a dangerous because you endorse the principle 100 . I think that is wrong so you find people where you can come together and build a coalition. I think that is where the answer will be found in washington. Host when you see whats going on right now the house, the senate the president then theyll want to Work Together but nothing seems to be getting done. Guest im not sure they can Work Together because as a matter of fact both parties agree on the big issues. They dont have much disagreement but they wont Work Together if they are looking for power. Power is a struggle. People want to take care of their friends so thats a very real issue. So i have a problem in washington right now that its more difficult to continue to spin. Conservatives like to spend on military industrial project that is probably totally unnecessary and the democrats want to spend on some Welfare Program conservatives dont like but when we were very wealthy and the debt wasnt outrageous and we didnt have the power that we have it where we see bankruptcies of cities towns and states it was endless. Ing, and this is the real problem. On the big issues, the parties come together, on going to war, let the president does it, on nsa, they both like nsa. At the irs, yes, they argue replying include about the irs, Neither Party is going to get rid of the irs like id like. But the very big issues, theyre very much together. When it comes to Civil Liberties like nsa, were the republicans any better than the democrats . No. They got along together on this. And this is why i think that they we wont at mitt that. Not only admit that not only financially bankrupt but the Foreign Policy is bankrupt. The American People are sick and tired of it and all you have to do is look at the last ten years. Afghanistan, results in iraq, and the mess were creating in ukraine, on and on. The American People know it and theyre saying, why dont we come home. And yet both parties want to keep all that intervention going. Host and back to liberty defined the ethos of washington is that the job of the elected politician is to serve the company that employs them and that company is government. Theyre told that they should serve the system or get another job. Very few new politicians can reject this logic. Guest ive helped a lot of individuals get into congress as being an incumbent you have a little ability to help. For the most part, most of them didnt do well after they got there some have done exceptionally well in recent years. But ive always said that i can tell within a week or so how theyre going to go, because the member arrives, he gave one story back at home, he got the support of conservative libertarians, limited government, and then all of a sudden they get in the atmosphere of, i have to get on this committee, and the big pressure is in washington, to get ahead, you have to go along, and you have to be a team player. Thats the ultimate argument they use. Are you going to be a team player . Sacrifice your principles, sacrifice everything you promised back at home because you have to be a team player. Besides you could get kicked off your committee, which has happened. You can get kicked off your committee, and also say well strike the money from your district deliberately, just line item veto your district, and has happened to me. So it is a vicious game they play in ford you order for you to toe the line, and most people cave to a large degree but theres a couple dozen right now doing a pretty good job of not jumping in and being part of the system. Host who are some . Guest im not going to name names because i might forget something, but certainly individualed have helped in the past. Wont be hard to find out. When theres a vote of 400 to 5, go look at the five votes. Dennis kucinich and i would be the only two individuals voting against some needless intervention, someplace where theyre getting ready to start another war. You can find out who the people are that will stick to it and wont kowtow and doing and has the leadership tells you to do. There was one time an individual was voting sort of with the rebels. We were trying to change things, and there would be four, five, six of us, and he was voting with us, and all of a sudden his voting pattern changed. I said, you used to vote with me on this. He said, im in leadership now. He was appointed to something, you know, like in a whip team or Something Like that. Im part of the leadership. So he becomes leaderless. He leads nothing. Becomes a follower by joining leadership. Did you ever get offered anything . No, i dont think so. Host was it uncomfortable to be you in the Republican Caucus . Guest actually, on a social, personal basis, i probably have deceived myself a little bit because i always thought it was fine because there was not the hostility. Nobody argued and fought. They left me alone. They knew they werent going to change my views. They didnt come and say do this, do this, do this, we need you. It was just, he has his mind made up. We know that. The lobbyists never bothered me either. So leader ship knew where i stood but they loved to have me when i was agreeing with them because theyve knew it was based on a firm principle, the constitution, and they were delighted to have me on their side under those circumstances. Host this is from your book in 1991, the ron paul funny book. And this is again, 1991. And heres what you write the Cashless Society is the irss dream. Total knowledge of and control over the finances of every single american. Guest were still moving in that direction. Not a lot of people use cash anymore. A lot of it is out of convenience, and people get sucked into this. And i have to admit that when i see it i used to worry about somebody in front of of the line that was going to use a credit card. Today you can pay with a credit card faster than you can pay with cash. They fumble around with the cash and getting change. You dont even have to sign. Under 50. So tempting. But it is also a record. Its a record that is kept, the government knows what happens, they know where you go, and also financial information. Government has this information and its connected to the big the companies that collect information. But theres a commercial value to this, too. But government i had debate probably back before that, in the 80s, with another person who firmly believed in it. His whole motivation was we can raise more money for the government. Of course thats not my goal. My goal in life is to have a government defend individual liberty, not to have more money. This is one reason why i have an argument with the supplyciders, who are pretty good on most issues and taxes and things. They argue low tax rate. Its fine. But their argument is if you lower the rate, business will pick up and the government gets more money. Thats fine. Lower the rates, business picks up, but reduce the taxes because we dont want to be the vehicle to raise more taxes. That shouldnt be the reason were in washington. It should be there to protect liberty and not to manage peoples lives and not to manage the economy. Host since you Left Congress last year, what resident doing . Guest a few things. I continue to write. I have a ron paul channel that i work on almost every day, send a report into the ron paul channel this morning. So, i have a home school program. Of course i get some help on that. Im not one thats going to design each individual program. Thats a ron paul curriculum. So, i work with that. And of Course Campaign for liberty is still very, very active. And thats a action group, and its the group that was able to mobilize a lot of individuals to get the fed bill passed in the house a couple times, and now the American People, 80 of the American People agree not with me on getting rid of the fed but they agree with me that the American People deserve to know who the fed is and who they bail out and who the special interests are. So im pretty active and still go to College Campuses, which i really like. I work with Young Americans for liberty, who have campus organizations, and spoke with the Young Americans for liberty last night, and i have to admit i enjoy that a whole lot. Host your most recent book is on school education. Want to read a little bit from that. Have you expand on it. In the leadership training program, i have been developing emphasize the following skills. First, the ability to think critically. Second, the willingness to act responsibly, taking full responsibility for your own actions. Third, leader needs to know the basics of communications, and this certainly involves writing, also involves public speaking. Fourth is a system of exercises that help a person develop real competence. Competence is important for step five. Selfconfidence, someone who is not selfconfident about what he believes in or his ability to improve his life in terms of what he believe in will have a difficult time persuading others. And sixth, integrity there can be no successful leadership if there is no followership and there will not be followership in the lin libertarian sense if the the followers do not trust the honest of the leader. Guest the last one is probably the most important because you dont accomplish anything else unless there is integrity. But the program is designed to be selfmotivating. You have to want to do it. The parents dont have to sit and do this. Theres a lot of selfeducation. They go at their own pace, encouraged to talk to other students, and theres a lot of writing to do. They have to write on a routine basis, and in the building of confidence, but overall, theres a lot of homeschool programs available. A lot of them are very, very good. Mine is probably unique and somewhat different because up front i say, what were really motivated to do is teach them about liberty, teach them about the freedom philosophy, and so if theres a homeschooling group over here that is religiously oriented, theres nothing wrong with that at all. Mine isnt that way. It teaches about religious history but i doesnt it isnt religiously oriented. And i want to preserve a society where everybody has freedom to enter into it so the different homeschooling groups would be legal. So its understanding free markets. Obviously on our economic courses youre not going to learn about socialist economics or why paper money is superior to gold money. So very up front about teaching a whole system of values. Host welcome to booktv on cspan2, 48 hours of nonfiction books and authors every weekend. This is our in depth program. Every month we invite one author to come only this month its former congressman and medical doctor, ron paul, threetime president ial candidate as well. Were going to put the numbers up on the screen. 2025853880. East and central time zone, want to participate. 5853881. Those in west and the central mountain, pacific time sewn zones and if you cant get through on the phone line you can tweet, booktv, and facebook, facebook. Com book tv. And on email, booktv chance organize organize. Well they can those in a minute heres doctor pauls books. 1987, freedom under siege. 1991, the ron paul money book. A Foreign Policy of freedom, peace, commerce, and honest friendship came out in 07. Pillars of prosperity, 08. The revolution, a manifesto, also came out in 08. End the fed, 2009liberty defined, 50 essential issues that affect our freedom came out in 2011, and his most recent, the School Revolution, new answer for our broken Education System. Just came out last year. Dr. Paul, when do you and how do you write . From your home in texas . Guest its pretty primitive. I dont know if i want to tell everybody. When i was in high school i could type very well. Then i got spoiled by my wife and others who did all my typing and i got sloppy, so im very slow on a computer. But im speeding up. So, most of this was done writing out long hand, dictating, and then correcting it. But im much better with a computer now. I can i have a program where i can dictate into the commuter and then do my corrections and i do more Creative Work at the computer. But a lot of it was very, very tedious. To write it out and have somebody type it up and then you keep editing that. So, i dont brag. I dont want to wont be taught that in my home schooling. Theyll know how to deep and use a computer much better than i ever did. I. Host an email from nathan kelly. Would you agree that the best form of government is none at all, or put another way, the only legitimate form of governance is individual governance . Guest well, im glad he put the last sentence on, because you always want government. Who should be the government . The Perfect World, if we were all perfect people, there would only be selfgovernment, and our responsibility would be to ourselves, and thats what my goal is, to always move in that direction. Today, to be a participant in the debate and say that, tomorrow, were going to get rid of every single government. Well, if one person does and it nobody else, thats not going to work. I think were moving to the age where governments are much less important and i think we should. I think that people are realizing that governments mess up. I think the 20th century was such a horrible century that were waking up to the fact that you cant trust government. You cant trust them to run the economy. You cant trust them to run the Monetary System. You cant trust them to run Foreign Policy. Its just a total disaster. So, i think the least amount of government is the best. I do not caw myself an anarchist but to have the goal of selfgovernment is a very good goal, and if you cant have that, then as close to home as possible, and i think thats a natural tendency to have individuals and family government, local community governments, and if you had a free society, we probably wouldnt have a lot more than that you wouldnt have to our founders intended that to be. But when they went wrote the constitution, and i think they planted some seeds there that have grown to the point where, if the constitution had worked perfectly, we wouldnt have this monster over here in washington. It wouldnt exist. But all of the regulations and details and taxations and abuse of the rules and the president writing laws and bashing the congress for not speeding up, ill write an executive order and all this. That wouldnt be true. That is the trend we have to reverse. Im optimistic to think we are changing the views of a new generation, the millenials are looking at this and theyre seeing what theyre inheriting. I think they see a mess, and i think theyre very open to the views of saying, yes, the biggest problem we have is way too much government, too much centralized government, and the more selfresponsibility and selfgovernment we have the better. Host so when you see what is going on, on the border in your home state of texas, whats the solution . Guest its all governmentcreated. You want to correct the government mistake. Its a mess. Under our constitution, our federal government has some responsibilities. But its a our borders are a result of the welfare state. Welfare at home teaches people not to work, then we have a need for workers, and people are being punished in Central America and mexico because of their bad Economic System, and theres jobs up here, go begging, and people come up, and then those who come, they get subsidized, Free Health Care and Free Education and so we subsidize illegal immigration. So its a real mess. If youd a a truly Libertarian Society, free market there would be a great need for labor and they wouldnt be seen as the culprits. Right now i think Illegal Immigrants are considered theyre the scapegoats. They cause all the problems. Thats one of the symptoms of the problems we have with government, but i think that obviously there is no easy solution it to. We should have better Border Control and we should be more generous in allowing more workers come here and more restrict enough giving out free stuff to people who come here illegally. And then getting them to vote. That part doesnt make any sense whatsoever. There was a day in my lifetime, when the work permits were easy. Theyd come and the workers would come in and go back home and take their money. Today, even when i was in congress not too many years ago, i had a lot of condition state opportunities, we need workers in the fields, on our shrimp boats, and they couldnt get americans to work there. So but this is all a consequence of bad management by government and argument for local management and selfgovernment. Host when and how did you develop your philosophy . Guest slowly and steadily. But i believe that all of us are born with an instinct for freedom. I think thats what little children do at the age of two and three. Theyre showing their independence. I think that is what teenager is are all about, and i had a very natural instinct to try i dont know where i got the idea we should be consistent but i ended up with i had that very early on, that in order for something to be presented you ought to be consistent in order to be credible, and then when i got in economics, some of the things were very natural and i think theyre natural to most people because people do want peace and prosperity, you dont have to read that in books. But it was in the 60s when i came across economists who actually wrote great books, great intellectuals, and i thought these guys are smart and they agree with me. So i would say, yes, this is it. So that got me really excited. But then it wases the coming together, and most people see that i got involved in politics because of the financing of war, the Monetary System and the gold and all this in the 70s, and it is true that was the particular issue, but it was the overall issue of individual liberty, which is connected to free market economies and money and a sensible Foreign Policy. So it comes together. And i think the nicest compliment i get when im on the road is, i dont know why more people dont agree with you because its common sense. So, i like that compliment because i think thats why a lot of people agree with it but just dont get to hear it. Politicians if they have to contradict what they think their district might want, even if its common sense, no, they have to play to the audience, and most of them arent willing to do this. They say, oh, i have to do this. I work for the constituents and they want more money for this project so i have to go along or ill get kicked out. Host one of your best selling books, end the fed you write the Federal Reserve should be abolished because it is immoral, unconstitutional, impractical, promotes bad economics, and undermines liberty. Its its destructive nature makes it a tool of tire tyrannical government. Guest i strongly believe that. It is a tool of tyrant. If you have control of the Printing Presses, you can control Foreign Policy. Everything else in the finances. Now, we talked a little while ago about the basic principle, if you cave in a little bit, you open up the door for more and more. Well, a lot of people are very goodhearted on both sided of the aisle. Almost all of them are goodhearted and want to help people who are having problems but they dont realize the most humanitarian thing they can do for people for prosperity is to give them their freedom, and but the fact that the fed is involved is the as they make these promises and the government wants to do this, then the fed has so much control that this principle of welfare unfortunately backfires. Right now who suffers the most . A shrinking middle class and the poor, and theyve been going downhill on their wealth since the early 1970s. Now, who got the bailouts in 07 and 08 . Foreign governments. Foreign central banks. International corporations, all of the Big Companies, and who got stranded . It was the poor people who were talked into buying a house which they probably shouldnt have bought because the price was too high and they lost their job and lost their house. The welfarism really protects the wealthy. The fed is connected to this. You can see if you run up a debt and you have a military Industrial Complex building weapons we dont need. Bombers, planes that maybe should be used 75 years ago but we build them anyway becauses we build them in all 50 states, and this just goes on and on. They keep making the money, and then they fortify this and back it up by saying, thats what learned in college. My economic teacher said, deficits dont matter. Spending money is good. The reason you have recessions is people quit spend can their money. Its not bass they lost their job or worry about the future. They just quit spending, and if they would only spend they should borrow the money and spend, even if theyre out of money. Exactly what government does. So this system is backed up intel length actually. Its not political fight. Politics is secondary. We have to change peoples minds. They have to say, is he right about this . On the Federal Reserve and paper money versus gold money . And that is the best thing that could happen, is not so much to take all this for granted but to say, better study this and find out. Maybe there is a strong point. Maybe it is common sense. Host from liberty defined you quote hl pinkin. He said, the urge to Save Humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. Then you go on and write, but it also requires peoples complacency to buy into the free lunch argument. Not everybody wants freedom and accepts responsibility for their own wellbeing. The problem is there are always individuals who want to control others in a significant number of people who believe they will benefit forever from the gravy train. This allows the erosion of liberty for progress. Guest theres no doubt about that. Yet that whole thing that he is talking about there is supported by intellectual leadership. Were taught in colleges and our government, what they teach, and the media, and the professors and they all teach these things. But if the intellectual leaders all of a sudden explain the fallacies of the system we have and the number of people the large number of people will shift. Intellectual leadership and education is key it to. But you still have to get the majority of the people to endorse the government or the government doesnt exist. Majority of people probably had to endorse communism when it happened. Always think what menkin said. Theres always somebody that loves power. As i said before, thats the fight in washington right now, the fight over power. Not over ideology of free markets and the Foreign Policy because they endorse it. Its power. And some people gravitate to washington and politics because its in bred they want to dictate to others. The one problem with true libertarianist, they dont have a burning desire to take over and run the country. That not what we want to do. So they dont want to put out the effort and i think that the effort if you only had one effort. Has to be in changing peoples minds and hearts to understand, if their goal is to have a humanitarian society and the society that is more productive and more prosperous, then they have to study the economics of it all and why liberty is so important, and that i think can that will give us the answer we need. Host Edward Perkins asks you via twitter whoa do we have an fbi, a cia, an nsa, a pentagon . Guest keep an eye on the people so they dont try to undermine the government. Thats to protect the government. I certainly have been strongly on record about the cia, and the nsa, and all this. But in a true republic you would not have that if you read the original constitution where does it say that, okay, were going to have a department thats going to establish secret organization that you cant audit, you dont know what the budget is and theyre to go in and undermine the governments of the world, and work with the mel tear in order to overthrow governments. Its not there. So, this kind of thing, if its necessary, if you need somebody to investigate accidents and crimes, it can be done locally. It certainly should have never been done by the federal government. There was never to be a federal police force, and believe me, we have about 120,000 federal bureaucrats carrying guns to enforce all these rules and regulations, and the worst the situation gets the more authoritarian it gets. Department of homeland security. Theyre going to make is secure. Thats not the purpose of government. The purpose of government is to make sure that we live in a free society. But the department of homeland security. Oh, its for security. Were going to make you economically secure and were going to make you physically secure, and for those there was a mission by some that thats what they had to use 9 11 for. This gives us an opportunity. Actually, to pass things like the patriot act, because that kind of stuff had been sitting around. Authoritarians who just and they some just want to be authoritarian. Others ive had members of Congress Tell me to my face, why are you doing this . Youre just taking over this problem for the people. He said, the people are too stupid. And thats what some of them think, and that what gives them this moral authority they know what is wrong. Does that mean if i think we should unleash freedom on the people everything will be fine . Heavens no. Theres still a lot of problems. But just think if you and i have our freedoms and we do something wrong or we dont we only might injure ourselves but if were in the government and were running the nsa, or the cia and theyre doing all these bad things, it affects everybody, when they have bad policy. So you dont want people making mistakes. What if you get people in washington that thick they know how to do Central Economic planning, and thats what the Federal Reserve is all about. Plan the economy, and we can make booms and we can always make the boons and never cause a bust, and theyll do this and of course it always fails so you dont want people in power to be able to have this control over the people. Host lets take some calls. Bill from pennsylvania, go ahead, bill, youre on with ron paul. Caller hi, ron, its really a privilege to speak to you. I went to an earlier mass so i could get here and watch your program. The question i have is what do we do here . Im not an uneducated guy. I agree with Dennis Cassini and you were the only guys that seemed to make sense and ive been following you since earlier in your career. Im sitting here outside of redding, pennsylvania, and i have 10,000 worth of property tax bills that are due for my house and a couple rentals. I pay 16,000 in property taxes a year. And my son just joined the Pennsylvania National guard. Im afraid hes going to get sent over to the ukraine. I know if your son runs im going to get behind him and back him. My question to you is, what do we do . I mean, i know all these problems. I know the fed. I buy gold. I keep my money in cash. But what do we do to try to host all right, bill, thank you very much. Guest thats one of the most common questions i have. A lot hoff the college kid ask me about this. And i dont have the answer because everybody has to do something, and it wont be the same for everybody else. Since ive been more active publicly in these last several years and the president ial campaign, so many of them have come back and say you told me to do something and they start their own organization, do theyre own study, some of them run for office and other candidates. I said that politics is secondary to the education, but having good people in washington, they can participate in at least hold up their hands and say, whoa, wait, what youre doing is wrong. Theres two parts of your question. One is your immediate problem of this heavy tax burden, and thats not going to go away overnight. But long term its a shift toward a freer society. Which isnt going to happen overnight. But the mess we got into didnt happen overnight, either. Matter of fact the fed was started in 1913, and it just gradually got worse every year, and then brought us to this catastrophe were involved in now. So, what we need to do, and what is happening, is those seeds are being planted now. The true intellectual movement in this country is, to to understanding individual liberty, different forepolicy, different role for the government, that these wars are totally unnecessary. So, first thing is educate ones self and im sure the gentleman is well educated. But just seems like i had these instinks but took me a long time in the 50s and 60s to find the right people to study and understand. Today this information is so readily available to us with the internet, people can find this information, and that is what is happening and thats where the revolution is, and believe me, im talking to a lot of young people, and a lot of them are very interested, and its very slow, though. Thats the tough part. The frustration. But just the whole fat fact that the fed is a debatable item right now and nonintervention overseas, a debatable item. That wasnt true even six years ago, and Everybody Knows about this. So theres been various organizations, join them or make your own, become more informed. If youre wellinformed, people will come to you and ask your opinion. The one thing that cant be dean, if you have the absolutely correct issues and the correct answers for this, you cannot push it on people because they will rebel against it. It is only when they will come and finally sit down and congress has been a few occasions i was just lighted with, that id be voting by myself or two or three other people and another member would come down and sit down and honestly ask me, why are you doing is . And explain it to them and finally come around to my position, just by sitting and talking. So, theres a lot of room. Changing peoples mind changing peoples hearts and realizing its best interests of everybody to move in the direction of more liberty and not less, that doesnt answer the question wholeheartedly but its going to be a long answer but were at the beginning stages and going in the right direction. Host ron paul, bill also mentioned that his son joined Pennsylvania National guard, fearful he was going to be sent to the ukraine. Heres what you write in 2008 from pillars of prosperity our willingness of the past 100 years to resort to weapons to impose our will on others has generally caused resentment of america rather than guest theres no doubt about that, more so than ever. The other important thing there is the recruiting tool, and the incitement of people who not just resent but hate us and want to do us harm, and look at the harm thats been done to us. Half of the harm has been done overseas but as a consequence of this, the other half has been done by ourselves here at home by violation of our own Civil Liberties and spending too much money. But, no, look at the results of iraq and afghanistan. Horrible. And all the deaths, and just makes no sense whatsoever. We have more enemies ruth now that are just waiting for us to stumble. Were starting to stumble already. Theres an attack building on our dollar, other countries this willynilly use of sanctions when they have no evidence whatsoever of anything, and right now this absolutely unnecessary aggravation of russia makes no sense what to do this. Theyre just looking for more trouble. And when you put on sanctions, the people who put on the sanctions have consequences, too, and the europeans will have consequences on the current thing, but just think of how many countries we have had sanctions on. And theyve been not worth much. Cuba since the 50s, and we have had sanctions on iran for all these, and all these years and it continues. So i think people resent it, and as we get weaker mill tearily and financially, theres going be alet of piling on a lot of piling on and we will be forced the gentleman asked what can we do. Actually im pessimistic the very short run. I think things are going to get much worse. We cant get enough people in washington to convert and do the right thing bump this thing is going to come apart and well have to make a decision on what we want on economics, on Civil Liberties what kind of Foreign Policy we want and thats when i think we can find the right answers and do a better job jive you were sitting in the white house right now and russia is involved in ukraine, is there a u. S. Role . Guest no. I mean, we are was it necessary for russia to get involved when we went into haiti . The russians should you should be in haiti and you shouldnt be in all these Different Countries or Central America. And were in 140 countries already. But that doesnt fully answer the question because im a noninterventionist so i say, stay out of it. Unless its a threat to our national security. Has nothing to do with our national security. Going into afghanistan and iraq made it more of a threat to our national security, because of all the conditions that they create and the results are so disastrous. We should have stayed out of ukraine a lot sooner because we were in combination with the europeans to overthrow an elected government of yanukovych. So we were the one that participated in the coup, threw him out, and now were blaming russia for everything. So, russia happens to have an argument, a little stronger than ours. Ukraine, especially crimea, was part of russia for most of a thousand years. So, people should back off a little bit. The perfect solution would be to get russia to mover out, United States to move out and let the ukrainians solve the problem. But under these circumstances the only thing that i might have more of a moral authority or input is i can talk about our own government. And that is that we shouldnt do these things because theyre not good for us and theyre wrong. But for us to go and look for fights continuously, because the war drums are beating and its very dangerous. They dont think there while marriage war. I dont think there will be aground war either, but they said obama said no boots on the ground. Well, we have boots on the ground. We have special forces over there and thecry agents the cia agents. Were sending them military equipment, begging for moyer more money to be on one side and that is so unnecessary and so harmful. If the europeans think its a big deal what the russians are doing, then let the europeans deal with that. Why should we put the burden on the poor people of this country . Because the rich dont suffer. The poor suffer. And because thats the way the system works works and the way e economy works. The poor get poorer. Middle class is shrinking. Ive argued or made the point im not going to win this argument and all of a sudden, yeah, ron paul is right, binge bring the troops home, but theyre coming home because we wont be able to afford them, and i think it will be a blessing in disguise that we just cant afford these wars because we cant afford more of the tragedies that we are causing for our veterans and they come home and they have so many physical problems and mental problems, and the va isnt capable of taking care of them, and trillions of dollars of obligations. We cant afford that n any longer, and id change Foreign Policy. If we had been following a noninterventionist, constitutional Foreign Policy, since the end of world war ii, can you imagine how many lives would have been saved . How many lives did we destroy and how many of our american soldiers died . Korea, vietnam, and these new wars, and all these tragedies. They would have been avoided. And we would not have been we would have been less threatened under those conditions. People say, we did that to prevent the invasion. Baloney. They werent about to invade us. More likely continue avoid us now because of invade us because of our pushing ourselves around and becoming the authoritarian. Now its a flint our government established by bush that we should have prepreemptive war. Thats they might attack us some day. Some day the iranians might get a nuclear weapon. So theyre our enemies. So we have the moral authority to start the war. That is not part of america and shouldnt be, and we shouldnt have part of america now where our president s actually think they can assassinate american citizens. We have been a long way off from our constitution, but believe it or not im still optimistic, the young people realize this and would like so see us move in a better direction. Host you were four years old in 1939. Do you think you would have been an America Firster before world war ii . Guest absolutely. Robert taft was in the group can, and he was in 1945, too. Robert taft, mr. Republican. We have a statue for him. He said dont even join nato. Theyll get is involved. Who is pushing who gave us the authority to go into libya and syria and now ukraine . Nato. He says it will undermine our National Defense. So, our president s get up there and, republican and democrat, we dont need a declaration of war . We get our authority from the United Nations and nato. So they were around back then, more of them now, believe me. Robert taft would fit in quite well right now, and we would be a lot better off if we had more people convinced of this. So, some day id like to see a point where the young people just say, hey, i dont need this war, im not going, and i, of course i got drafted issue went, was in for five years, but there will be a day coming id hate to see one of my excuse me one of my kids ukraine to be sent over there, or to be sent to a war with the iranians or war with in afghanistan . Iraq . Such a waste. And i just dont think the people want that anymore. I think they get talked into it. Theres war propaganda. The television stations and all the politicians, you have to do it. Proven began da now against russia. They have been very successful. When this thing first started there was hardly anybody thought we should confront russia. But now they come up with this wild story about russia shooting down an airliner, everybody hates russia now, and putin is hitler. Its absolutely absurd. At the same time, nobody knows its actually who shot the airliner down. Right now theres evidence popping up that it could have come from western ukraine. And the whole thing is, i dont know, nobody knows for sure, and that a real good argument for, why dont we stay out of that mess because nobody has threatened america and nobody has threatened our national security. Host drew, mill valley, california, good afternoon, or good morning. Your on with ron paul. Hi there, how are you . Guest very good. Caller so, dr. Paul, ive been a big fan of yours for a while. Now, 26 years ago, in 1988, the deficit wases 155 billion. I believe. And now were looking at trillions of dollars in debt that were in. Do you think that we need to change our economic structure . If so i think i know the answer to that and if so, how do we go about it . What would be the plan . Guest well, yes, we need a different one. And if we want to talk real practical politics and economics, the plan cant be depending on changing the face of congress, who all of a sudden will balance the budget and pay down the debt. Its recognizing the truth of the situation. The truth of the situation is 17 trillion debt at this size will never be paid. It will be liquidated. Governments think they can liquidate it by paying it off with bad money. That is, debase the currency, which theyre working real hard at, and the prices arent going up quite as fast as the fed would like because when you debase the purchasing power of the dollar, the real debt goes down. So, the debt will be liquidated. And when its liquidated, it will be totally liquidated if you have runaway inflation, which is a possibility. Then you have to restore soundness to the economy by having free markets and a sound currency, get rid of the fed. But you have to change the attitude of the people. The people still cant say, yes, but im on food stamps, im going to die if i dont get food stamps, and then you have the military Industrial Complex that says what about our food stamps . Because were really the important people. We make weapons to protect our country. Of course the weapons arent necessary. So everybodyes going to argue as long as you have that, its going to be very, very bad. So we have to at the time the bankruptcy occurs, and liquidation of debt occurs, then we have to have people are firmly convinced that the Economic System and the Foreign Policy system that we have today is completely wrong. There has to be a respect for our privacy once again and Civil Liberties, and its all back to the majority of the people to go along with our intellectual leaders to say that individual liberty can solve these problems. The constitution is a good document to start with and the founders were on the right track, but we have to admit were nowhere close to that, and when it is recognized that we have gone the wrong way for a long time, then we have chance to pick up the pieces and restore liberty and prosperity in this country. Host if you cant get through on the phone lines and want to make a comment go to facebook, twitter, or you can email as well, and well flash those addresses up as we go. Heres a comment from our Facebook Page, ron paul. This is from dr. Paul, what advice can you give to a german Political Science student . What study does you like to see in the future . At my university we dont get ednate the ideas of liberty at all. Guest i cant speak for german universities. They may have a lot here freedom of choice than we have here. I would say, dont depend on the university. Go to the internet and look up austrian economics and look up the writing of hayak and rothbard and others and find out what thats all about because its that understanding by as many people as possible that will make the difference. There may be some good professors that understand free markets and sound money in the european schools. Matter of fact im always encouraged i get a lot of invitations to europe and south america, ill be going down to a green in brazil a group in brazil and ive been to chile. These ideas are spreading and this is very good, but its going to be not an easy fight to say the least. But for somebody in germany, fortunately we have the internet. Here we are talking to somebody from germany, and i think that is great. I think that this whole idea is spreading easily now that we have this ability technique through the internet. Host ron paul from your book, the School Revolution colleges want to get students enrolled as freshman because this where is they make most of their money. I costs relatively little to teach freshman or sophomores yet the tuition payment is the same as for Upper Division years. The Upper Division is where the student majors in a particular subject, this where is he gets taught i by ph. D holding professors, rather than graduate assistants. The pay off in education for the student is in the Upper Division. Therefore, colleges do their best to persuade parents and students that it is necessary to spend the first two years on campus. It is not necessary, youve write, either economically or academically, but it is not in the selfinterest of colleges that families understand this. Guest and i think theres something flawed in this system. A few do very well and still some good universities in science and engineering, but theres way too much college degree. Now, if i had to start over today, and still wanted to do what i did, id still be sort of forced into the conventional system because i wanted to be an md. You go through the ritual of college and medical school. Theres so many others, and everybody hears the stories, some people who have a few bucks and made a lot of money, probably never even went to college, and but they have to be that doesnt mean they dont get educated. Just that it is a boondoggle in Education System north only at the College Level but al all levels because government is so involved. Theres no authority in the constitution for the federal government to be involved in education. Thin theres the prisoning mess of money the Printing Press of money, and theres extra money and laws are passed and money goes in certain directions based on that. So because were involved in education, what it does, more people get degrees but the degree gets cheapened but it costs more money. And so a lot of people are coming out with degrees and a lot of debt, and no job. So, people have to ask themselves, maybe there is something wrong with our educational system . If a degree isnt meaning much anymore. So, i think that its not necessary for everybody. Host 60,000 a year for Top University anymore . Guest i didnt even realize. I better catch up. 60,000 and everybody has been brain washed. You have to sacrifice for your kid. To go to school. Well, you know, what a change in my lifetime. I could get a few jobs on campus and pay for my tuition in the 50s, and there were five of news our family who were real close, so we were expected to take care of it. Summer work and jobs on the campus, we could pay our own tuition. But now, those prices are inflated, and it is a theyre teaching you bad economics and youre getting punished by bad economicses but we never change anything. 60,000, is guess ill have to work or borrow the money. Government has 17 trillion of debt. I can go and educate myself for three or four hundred thousand dollars but then they might not get a job. So, we have to at least stop and ask some questions about this. But that type of thing is a consequence of bad economic planning bay government that should not be in the business of economic planning and shouldnt be subsidizings it through Printing Press money. Housing bubbles can be explained in the same manner. Host gus, florida, thank you for holding, youre on with ron paul. Caller dr. Paul, an honor to speak with you. I have two questions. Do you think has more power and influence than the president of the United States, and second question is, what should the guidelines be for trade agreements. Thank you. Guest i think the chairman of the Federal Reserve bored has more clout and more power than a president on economic matters. The president has tremendous power on military party matters. So on economic matters the chairman of the fed is very powerful and its done in secrecy and thats the big problem there and thats why i argue we should have an audit. You ask about what should be the traditions on trade agreements. The constitution said that congress should be in charge of trade agreements and they should be was assumed to be bilateral. So if the congress wanted to act on a free trade zone between the United States and canada, congress could pass a law and set the trade standards, and of course they were very the founders were very strong free traders, didnt want a lot of barrier and did not want a lot of problems even though it was legal to put on tariffs. But when you have these trade agreements, multilateral trade agreements the word is the wto theyre nothing more than groups of Big Companies getting together and get permission to put on sanctions when the feel their competition is harming them. So they spend as much time putting on tariffs to prevent imports in order to protect what theyre selling, as they do trying to reduce tariffs. So we depth need that. We should argue the case for free trade but it should be the congress. I always voted against them because i did not believe the president should have this power and authority to write these trade agreements. That was another issue that dennis and i agreed on, on economics, because they would violate some of this concepts about labor laws. But giving the power to the president is the problem and it should be in the congress, and it wouldnt create a Perfect World but be a lot better than the world we have today where special interests control trade agreements. Host now that youre both out of congress do you stay in touch with congressman cue kucinich. Guest we do. Host from your book in the fed you write the Supreme Court has never been a frowned of sound money and has rarely been a protecter of the constitution. The only unique power that the fed possesses is the power to inspire and support the creation of new money out of nothing. Who needs that . Banks like it. Governments like it. Highflying finance years like it. But the people do not benefit. Just the reverse. Guest that unfortunately this conclusion but some people believe theyre going to benefit by it. We talked about the housing bubble when low Interest Rates were there and lookedded like it would last forever. The people endorsed that but it backfired on them. Only benefits special interests and they should not have this power. When it goes to the courts, as far back as well, awe through our history they never ruled in favor of sound money. Especially during the civil war period when they tried the greenbacks and Different Things and theyre not likely to ever come around to supporting that position either today. So there has to be a new group of Supreme Court justices and a few new ideas. Host youre watching booktv. Currently ron paul is our guest. Doctor, congressman, president ial candidate, author of several books, almost a dozen; anthony, extra lensarch kaz, go ahead with your question or comment. Caller hello, dr. Paul. Its an honor to speak to you. Guest hello. Caller i have one question. And the question is, your view on what is going on today in gaza and israel, the conflict, the genocide. Seems like its getting a lot more news coverage. Not so much other media outlets, especially democracy now and amy goodman. I know how you feel. I followed you for years. And ill get off the line and hear your answer. Thank you. Guest well, my answer for that is, the answer that i use for all entanglements around the world. We shouldnt be involved. We should be nonintervenors. We shouldnt pick sides. We dont send foreign aid to anybody. Foreign aid is nothing more than taking money from poor people in this country, giving it to rich governments or to thernn2d miy Industrial Complex indirectly. So we shouldnt be involved. Netanyahu said something to our president this week. He rather aggressively told our president , dont ever secondguess my again on what i should do. And i agree with netanyahu on that. We shouldnt secondguess him. He shouldnt have to give up his sovereignty. He shouldnt have to be told what to do. Should be able to do what they want. They shouldnt get any money from us. Weve given israel 100 billion, and then the president of israel is annoyed because the president thinks he hases a little say in the matter . I dont think we should have any say in the matter. I think israel should defend. Thes and the palestinians should do what they whatnot to do but i think we have been butting in there for too long. Its cost out lot of money. How many times ay we have been these of a peace process. The get to angry at kerry for trying to participate in it. He didnt say the right things, practically ran him out of town. Thats not our role. Our role is to provide a National Defense and security for our people and provide for liberty. The one thing it, though, if youre a palestinian american, and you want to say, well, dont like the way the palestinians are being treated, you can go to palestine under a free society. Probably cant do it under the laws today. Go over there and help them, send them money, same way with israel. Your support israel and you want to fight. I know americans get in the israeli carmy should be no prohibition for that but should be no compulsion to send our kids over there or American Peoples money over there. So i would say that netanyahu is absolutely right. We shouldnt secondguess him, but he should be cautious not to secondguess us because maybe well run out of money, or maybe well get tired of second money because right this week we sent a bonus of 225 million to help him fight the war against the palestinians. And that is not the road to peace for anybody. I think that is that makes us a moral participant in what is going on over there, just as we are a moral participant in aiding the western ukrainians against the eastern ukrainians. So, there is a moral responsibility, and for us to lecture others and say, well, its all one side or the others, it is just wrong. How many times have you heard on tv in the last several weeks that israel has a right to defend herself . Absolutely. She has a right to defend herself. But never once you hear the palestinians have a right to defend themselves. You never hear that. So, we should be more balanced on that, and i think that the best way to do that is for us to not send any money or any troops or any weapons into any region, anyplace in the world. From liberty defined, ron paul writes we should not go to war without a declaration. We senate go to war when its an aggressive war. We should take a look at all the way u. S. Policy incites desperate people to take extreme measures as retaliation for u. S. Sp to take extreme measures for u. S. Sponsored political dennis West Palm Beach florida you are near. Caller dr. Paul you are a champion of liberty and the First Amendment to our constitution guarantees the freedom to exercise our religion. We pay all of our adult lives taxes to the government so my question is should the parents of america received their taxes back in the form of a voucher to send their children to the school of their choice including a religiously affiliated one, or should the government continue to have the power to an force our children to go to atheistic schools . Host what do you think dennis . Caller i think parents should have the right to exercise their religion and the u. S. Supreme court in a case in 2002 dr. Paul said School Vouchers did not violate the u. S. Constitutions as long as the facts were given to the parents where they saw fit but it would be a violation of the First Amendment of the voucher was given to a religious affiliated school. Guest i dont want the federal government involved in education so i want them collecting money from one group in giving it to somebody else. I see this more as an intervention in education by the government rather than the First Amendment issue. I think people should go to any school they want and it should be local. If you are going to have government under the constitution estate will do what it wants but it was much better when it was only your local community, just the town he lived in where the highest authority was the school board. That would you know be the authority but another reason why im not too gung ho over vouchers if it sounds like its helpful. Ive supported bills that would give you a tax credit where you just wrote it off and if you spent so much money sending your kid to school you can deduct that off of your taxes by dave faucher when a government sees your voucher and says this is what you can do then they can send the regulations and tell you where you can use your voucher and say well okay what school . Then you have to get into this thing that we have to monitor the school and what you are teaching in these Different Things so i would much rather see just the use of tax credits but not the voucher. Host the next call for ron paul comes from michael from white plains maryland. Michael you are on booktv. Caller hi and thank you dr. Paul. Regarding your remarks what is your position on the second clause of article v by george mason that allows legislatures to bypass congress to create a constitutional amendment and by the way term limits. Thank you. Yes go its there in the constitution that states can call for a Constitutional Convention. I mean i think its fine. Im not that optimistic. Im not in charge of the organization pushing for this because i think you have to change peoples minds about what they are going to do. If you have a Constitutional Convention right now you dont know actually what will evolve. Now, did the gentleman say it was to bring it up for term limits . Host he said and that he added he was in support of term limits. Guest well, you know, lets say theres a constitutional amendment to host he added he was in support of term limits. Guest lets say theres a constitutional amendment to limit terms. I have always voted for term limits and i introduced legislation that way but i dont have much confidence in it because ive seen to be believed when they voluntarily had to term limits and the people who got elected were much worse. It wasnt an improvement at all. I dont think that is the answer in itself but it might help a little bit. If you dont change peoples understanding of economics and we dont spread the message of how free markets work in the understanding of the fed and why we had to bring our troops home limiting those terms arent going to help very much. Host cadiz calling for montclair new jersey. Hi kate. Caller hi. I have a question regarding foreignpolicy with regards to tax. Would it be inappropriate approach systematically or other means to help people who are undergoing horrible atrocities . Host kate would you think would be inappropriate approach . Caller well im really confused about it because factions like dan joey janjaweed and is pretty much emergency assistance. The type of violence that goes on there and all over the world but for me especially since its been going on for so long and so many people are terribly affected. Host thank you maam. Guest i wasnt quite able to follow that. Host she asked what do you think the u. S. Approach should be for humanitarian assistance in darfur or south sudan Something Like that. Guest thats a reasonable question. And of course my answer is the same. If you have money and youll want to send money but its not proper to take money from people in this country because you would think you will help somebody over there but the problem is so often when we do that we send money it ends up in warring factions and it doesnt end up helping the poor people. A lot of times people will vote for gifts where they wouldnt vote for any militarism and i can understand that. I certainly would have more sympathy helping people like that but they will do that but first taking the money is wrong and second it doesnt end up doing a very good job. So i dont think that we should do that. The only thing that i have an in between process would be lets say there is some of this problem in a country in africa and they really need help and we think we can help. If we could cut 10 billion out of some nonsense in building an embassy someplace in iraq and send part of that to feeding people and we save 8 billion doing it you know i would think that would be an improvement. We save some money and cut spending in some money for food instead of sending money for weapons. I would probably go along with that but its not, if it would come up and say you have sympathy for these people . Yes we do but will you vote for the money to take from the American People and is it authorized the constitution . Innocence i would vote for that. Host rumpole from our Facebook Page a question for you. This is william. Considering the interest on the debt is unconstitutional could we just eliminate this interest at least the part created by the Federal Reserve that is questionably unconstitutional . Guest the Federal Reserve is unconstitutional if you are dealing with the debt in that department if the dash on to why pay them the money so you could write that part off. I think the issue of our government borrowing money we unfortunately started early to do that because we started off with a debt and if foreigners loan us money or individuals want this money and the contract was that they would pay us a certain amount of interest, i think if we were working our way out of it we should take care of that. I dont think that will ever happen and we are not going to liquidate the debt with the fed. I think the whole system might get liquidated and everything get written off because the dollar collapses but thats a different story. You can just forget about the fed. Host radical taoist tweets in to you what would happen if the dollar collapses . Would governments be able to survive . Guest oh yeah. Unfortunately government survivability is pretty good. The question is what will the government be like . I suspect what will happen as things will get more out of control and you will see rampant inflation and interestrate rising in our economy doing very badly and they will realize they will have to have performed to pick up the pieces. So if they dont do that, if you have runaway inflation and the dollar collapses thats bad news. Its bad news economically and then you have the zimbabwe example but you know zimbabwe had runaway inflation and we dont hear them in the news anymore. They have a new currency and they reestablish their system and they are back function functioning again so it can be done. Pretty strong. Hopefully when the revamping and reforms that well know how to reduce the size and scope of government. Host the ron back report tweets in the 99 has been losing ground to the 1 ever since the u. S. Lost its last link to gold in 1971, when nixon abandoned guest no doubt about it. The rich have done very well since 1971. Actually real wealth is down, real wages are down, the middle class is smaller, and it is a truism that Gold Standard is a benefit to the average person, the command man, the laborer, because the wages stay up. They dont collapse. Real becames are going down now because the purchasing power is going down faster than the government admits. They say, well, we want the purchasing power of our dollar to go down at a rate of two and a half percent, they think thats good. How can anybody argue a moral case for saying if i gave you 100 and you pay me back next year and you know its going to be worth 98, theres something wrong with that. And that is the case. Thats what they want. They want to do it by the breakdown of the a big item and it is not helped the poor people. Host okay. Mark tilling of hollywood, florida, emails i believe you to be the most constitutional congressman in the history our lifetime. Thank you for your . Of office, i have one goal and that is the campaigning for liberty. So i can do that outside and im going to spend a lot of time on education and thats where i think my role is right now. Host youre 79 years old. How do you feel . Guest i feel pretty good. As long as i get out on my bike. Today i came to be with cspan and im going to miss my bike ride. Host wellber from south haven, mississippi. Caller film a true libertarian and Tea Party Member because of mr. Paul and president reagan. Youre my hero. I worried about the cia killing you if you get too close to winning the white house. Also, they want to cancel our Second Amendment because of more government control. Thank you, sir forks all thank you, sir, for all you do. Guest he talked about the second amend. Hell be surprised i want gun control but i want gun control on 120,000 federal bureaucrats who are federal policemen. But true security comes from individuals and home owners and people who have guns and i kid, but serious, its true in texas you dont have policeman guarding most houses. Most people know theres a gun inside, and security is quite reasonable. But to depend on the government for that and to attack the Second Amendment i think is a dangerous direction to go in. Host what about his first point, about the cia . Ever feel you were threatening the structure of the u. S. Government . Guest yes. But you know, i was convince third stale saw me as a very long shot but they didnt understand something. That ideas are more powerful than political columns so they sort of said, we cant stop the ideas, and were not going to try to do that. But politically, yeah, theyre capable of doing that. I mean, do you know how many people in this country are really questioning the fact that the cia might have been involved in the kennedy assassination . A lot. And of course i dont know i dont think anybody has the final answer but just that American People think that they have been capable of doing that. So, yes, i dont think we should laugh at it. But i am in at the same breath i dont go around thinking im important enough for them to worry about me. And they didnt see me as a political threat, but the whole thing is, ideas are more important than guns and bureaucrats and president s and all that. Its ideas have consequences and they are very, very powerful. Its been said that if an army comes to attack us, we can always stand up and oppose them. Victor hugo made this comment. But he says when an idea comes, you cant stop it. And that is what is happening. The ideas are out there, and we have this magic thing called the internet so people from germany call and write and all around the world, the ideas are spreading, and so and theyre more powerful than armies, and i hope they dont catch on. Thecry may change their tactics. The cia may change their tactics. Host 38 years ago you were first elected congress, 1976. 40 years ago, about this time, president nixon resigned 0 from office. Do you remember where youor during watergate, what you thought about it . Guest because 71 the breakup of brenton woods and it dawned on me that tea the austrian economists had predicted and it it would lead to the economic chaos were facing today. So, in 1973, he resigned in host 1974. Guest in 1973, is when i went to my wife and i said im going to run for congress, and she said, what do you want to do that . I said i want to talk about the Federal Reserve, and chev, desay, dont do it, its dangerous, you get elected, and i guaranteed her that couldnt be the case. So i signed up and nobody would run in a watergate year so there were no republicans running and no republicans in texas, so i was the candidate in 74, when that was going on i was a political candidate. In my of course, nobody was listening to me and nobody cared about my opinion, but at the time i wasnt like, oh, yeah, with get rid of next of nixon, everything will be okay. I think it was overkill. The can big problems were in economic policies and the Federal Reserve and the economy was terrible, and i figured these are just political stuff thats been going on for a long time and now looks like some of the things he did were minor compared to now with ther is and is other with the irs and other things. So that was minor problem them. I do remember that very clearly. So i think i was in my probably never said it outloud but i was sort of rooting he didnt get impeached, and i thought it was too disruptive. But now i have a little different opinion. I think that the more we change the personnel, the better. Host ron paul is our guest here on booktv, here are some of his books flee dom under siege, the u. S. Constitution. After 200 years, came out in 1987. The ron paul money book in 91. A Foreign Policy of freedom. Peace, commerce, and honest friendship, 2007. Pillars of prosperity, 08. The revolution, a manifesto, a best seller, came out in 08. And the fed, another betts seller, 2009, liberty defined, 50 seeks shall issues that affect our freedom, 2011, and dr. Pauls most recent book, the School Revolution, new answer for our broken Education System. In congress 1976, 77, 1979 to 85 and then again, 1997 to 2013. President ial candidate, 1988, 2008, and 2012. Carlos, cape coral, florida, youre on with ron paul. Caller hi, dr. Paul. I see you as a person who thinks outside the box. Its one thing four years ago the population was about 700 million. Now its about 6point something billion. I dont see any official ever talking about this. Do you think that its an issue that we are overpopulating a finite planet, and that maybe causes a lot of the problems we have . Back in difficult times, a couple of guys said animals were grazing too much and you go to the left guy to right. Now theres no left or right to go to. Can you address your thoughts on the population explosion that were experiencing this last four decades. Host carlos, withbe get the response, can you run those figures by us once again . Caller 700 million and a song from the 60s that host youre saying there are 700 Million People tower years ago, 50 years ago. Caller yeah. Thats what guest im not sure host sounds a little off. Guest the principle. Concerned about overpopulation. I dont worry about that. Worry about where they get to live in a free society. The more advanced the society gets, the smaller the families get. And the more productive it is, the more you can take care of. So all the those that made these dire predicts that it was unsustainable but a that has been going on for hubs of year hundreds of years. So its amazing how technology adjusts to these needs. Agriculture, various things, very productive. So, it is the political system that surrounds the population that makes all the difference in the world. You have authoritarian government, bad economic policy, you have more People Living in poverty and were certainly seeing what is happening today with bad economic policies in Central America and mexico and also bad policy here in the United States, and everybody is worried about that. That wouldnt happen in a free society. I have a lot of confidence on how things would work out, and if populations seem to be growing too rapidly, i think at lot of the solutions would be natural. These individuals we should have population control by force, that is something that china goes through, but not in a free society. I think more the freer the society, the less this problem would be even noticed. Host ron paul, this is something you write about in liberty defined, but this is an email to you from abby ive heard ron paul mention abortions over the past few years. I remember hearing him say that in certain hospitals in which he was doing his training he was aware that abortions were taking place and he said later that when he had his own medical practice, women would have a very casual attitude about abortion. Could he tell us any information he has on this topic or any stories which have remained in his mind. Guest i dont think i guess we might not have sent you the book i have, abortion and liberty. That is another book because i write a whole book on it. Because i have had a unique opportunity to think of it as an ob doctor, some who has religious beliefs and also been in politics and had to deal with it legally. And i think she is referring to a story that i quoted that before abortions were legal, i was observing an operation in the operating room where i was doing any residency and they were doing a cesarean section and his of lifted out the fetus, which weighed a couple pounds, and here i found out it was an abortion they were doing. So they took the infant then it was born put it in a bucket in the corner of the room, and the baby cried and whimpered and breathed a little bit and the amazing thing was everybody just pretended they didnt hear and it there was no effort to do anything. Then a day or two later i was walking down the corridor, and a woman had a baby prematurely, it was slightly bigger than that baby, and they had ten doctors surrounding that baby, trying to save that babys life. I got to thinking, i saw head medicine and delivering babies as preservation of life and that was such a contradiction so theres a lot of contradictions in the abortion issue, and it really boils down to whether or not you think an unborn fetus has any rights at all. Ive come to the conclusion they do because i know that if i did something wrong as a doctor, i could be sued for injuring the baby. If a baby is killed in an accident, the person that did the harm can be charged with murder. And the thing that is amazing to me about this abortion issue, is we teach this disrespect for life and we teach young girls and our whole society that babies arent worth much and you can throw them away if you dont think its necessary. But this believe it or not there are some young girls who get pregnant, in denial, dont realize theyre pregnant and then the deliver a baby and dont know what is going on so they take the baby and put it in a garbage bag and throw it away. When they get caught they get charged with murder. Its a felony to do this. And i think this sort of has to be resolved. One minute sooner if they went to the abortionist, because it was late abortion, the doctor would have been paid a lot of money do this, but the next minute, when the child is having the baby and society says it has no value, its a big issue. Who have this fervent elysian against abortion. They send it to clinics to do abortion and that really is getting in somebodys space to do that. But even now states have a right to regulate this, i think once again it is a reflection of society. I mentioned, you know, when that abortion was done at my hospital where i was a resident and it is illegal, it was in the 60s. The 60s were wild decade or the vietnam war was going on in the drug crazed. Abortion became popular. And then the Supreme Court ruled it was okay. So it isnt because of roe versus wade. I dont like roe versus wade, but roe versus wade reflects the culture and veracity of the people. So if we are going to start a problem like this, at the beginning of our country and for a long period of time, abortions were done because people didnt believe in them. The culture was different and i think that will eventually be the answer. There are some prolife groups that dont even deal in politics. They dont even get involved. They just help the person in distress over the pregnant again i am strongly in favor of that. Or think it is a personal, mortal problem and allow sort of catches up to, you know, the careless attitude is established in the 1960s. Host aneurin obstetrician . Go ahead with your question for ron paul. Also yes id be interested in his opinion on the Current Health care system from the viewpoint that we are 5 of the worlds population, but we spend 50 of all the money spent on health care and we have a terrible functionality of life record. That is it. I think our medical system is coming in now, and that shape. Theres a lot of good medicines still out there. If you have to go to the emergency room and have to have emergency care, its pretty good. But there are so many distortions. The pricing structure is outrageous. Pain for the emerging dram is just unbelievable. There is a physician in Oklahoma City that i had interviewed on my channel that has gone private, doesnt take any government, no insurance, anything. He can accomplish a 30,000 operation in a regular hospital for 3000. Its all the bureaucracy. Trace it back to the government got involved in the early 1960s, 64 and 65 with medicaid. I Practice Medicine a short period of time before any government was really involved and back then, everybody got charged the least and there were hospitals and nobody was on the street with no medical care. Now we have the government involved in a third of like when we talk on education. Money goes and from the prices go, quality goes down and that is where we are. That is about all we have been talking about on the problems of obamacare. Weve given up our belief and confidence that free markets can deliver goods and Services Much better than any government can. I aint the only saving grace on any of these programs is always to protect a right to optout. If they say you cant go to home school or private school anymore, we are in big trouble. If you cant optout of the medical system and go private, we are all in trouble, too. Today it is getting harder and harder to get out of the medical system and its pretty hard and people are just beginning to feel the prices we are going to get from obamacare. Police may come when the person goes up in a rationing goes on, docs get less happy. It will be a real mess and most americans right now is turning to feel the pain. Host as someone who is 79 Committee Supports Social Security, medicare, to utilize the system . Guest i take Social Security, believing that the government actually spent this program, which it really isnt. But no, it is not a proper function of government. Theres a lot of contracts State Government had in this imPerfect World, are you going to send everything by fedex because we dont want to use this week, the monopoly of the federal government. But the medicare and Social Security only talk about a climax weekend, that will all end because the money will be fair and costs will go up in standard of living is going down and people on fixed incomes right now are really struggling because they cant keep a beard that is one of the reasons that pei is always kept low because then they dont have to raise the cost and the benefit, the Social Security beneficiary. So they see their standard of living showing down. That will continue. Dont get much worse it will eventually have a revamping of that. The assumption as if you didnt have it, you wouldnt have been anything. But thats not the case. It mightve been a lot better. Our city in galveston, which was in my district, their Government Operations there, the whole county never got into Social Security and they are glad they are not into it. But when you are forced into it, it is a different story, you know, and i think it wont be the same for the generation now going into the work force there expect you to pay a lot of money and they are not going to see it and i will have to change. Therell have to be very big changes in Social Security. Host the air, rockledge, florida. Hi. Guest caller thank you for waking up in my friends in the country a little bit. My question is if you are a voter in the next election, would you vote for a libertarian candidate who has a policy similar to your own . Guest from the Libertarian Party . Caller yes, someone like jerry johnson. Or would you vote for rand paul who doesnt seem to necessarily have the same policies as you. Host victor, well get an answer in two seconds. Who are you liking and 2016 . Guest what i typically do and what i did last time as they voted for jerry john for libertarian and in the final election all switched over to whoever is the closest to freedom. Host thank you, sir. Guest thats an unfair question. That is not fair. Saying what i believe against my son. I would be hard to vote against my son. Host would you say you agree . Guest more than i agree with him or any other candidate. Thats pretty easily set. No, i vote for Libertarian Party candidates quite frequently. Yes, quite frequently i do. I dont think theres anything wrong with that. As a matter of fact, after the 08 primaries, i had a group come together, a green party come together and i want to start this groundswell. Just vote for the alternative. We need to also together. As a matter of fact, i got us to agree a basic fundamentals out of the fed Civil Liberties and the deficit. We had all these groups from left and right coming together. So i want people because it is so unfair. We go over and die and kill people to spread democracy, which is a lot of baloney because in this country if you are in the Libertarian Party, the American Party in all this, you dont get a fair shake. I know i got on cspan in 1888, so you do allow the other candidates to get on. But you know, yucatan database, you dont get the coverage and you cant get on the ballot. When i ran and 88 as libertarian, i spent half the money trying to get on islet. So that is why i encourage it. Unfortunately, its so back to the whole idea that ideas have consequences for libertarian ideas are worth it, it will invade the republican party, the Democratic Party and everybody else and it will peoples minds. Host tuc, i dont mean to get you in trouble at home, but do you think you have the opportunity to vote for your son and president 2016 . Guest i think theres a very good chance that could happen. The polls right now even suggest that. Host this is our conversation on booktv on cspan two come with. Ear, author, former congressman, ron paul. An hour and 15 minutes to go in our interview. Every month when i talk to her in that software, we like to ask him or her, what are you reading . What are you some of your influences, your favorite book. We will show you dr. Pauls responses in a moment. Heres a look at some upcoming book fairs and festivals happening around the country. On august 30, booktv will be on september 6th the festival of books books and auts will hold their festival in winstonsalem, North Carolina. This a largest of its kind in North Carolina and features indoor and outdoor events. North carolina. The festival is the largest of its kind in North Carolina and features indoor and outdoor events. On september 21st, at this years brooklyn book festival will be held at the Brooklyn Borough hall. The festival will host more than 100 u. S. And international authors. From september 26 through the 28th, the annual baltimore book festival takes place at the citys inner harbor. Let us know about book fairs and festivals in your area and we will add them to our list. Email us at otb cspan. Org. Host ron paul, you list your parents is one of your biggest influences. Who were they . Guest howard paul annmargret paul. They were both from pittsburgh. They met in Lutheran Church in committees. But much in carnegie, pennsylvania, the other in washington and his third and my dad had a small dairy and i have Four Brothers and we sort of helped are currently through college by being milkmen. They had an influence on me mostly on gentleness and also an understanding of the work aspect. You didnt expect much. We are all born during the depression and then theres world war ii, which i remember very clearly. Things are pretty depressed in world war ii because there were and there wasnt much prosperity until after that. There is a strong need for your work ethic. We had to go out and deliver milk and power lines in things like that. I think sometimes what you get from your parents is sort of the subtleness. To me it was gentleness. There is no yelling and screaming and beatings. Even when i did things they shouldnt have been doing, there wasnt any harshness and i always thought that was a good standard to go by. Host who is carol paul . Guest carol paul is this girl who invited me to her Birthday Party when she was 16. Host pennsylvania . A guest yes. She went to high school together. Her dad had always promised her a big party when she was 16 so she came around and she had that sort of anxious to talk to me. So it was set up, so that was their first day. Host and youve been married since . Guest since dixie seven. Host how many children altogether . Guest five children. Maybe i better not count. 19 grandchildren, six greatgrandchildren. Host besides another rand paul, any of the others interested in politics including carol . Guest they are all interested and supportive, but none of the others have their run for office. Even when i was running for congress, he was more eager. But he was always interested in organization more than i ever was how you organize precincts, which is very helpful in the campaigns. He was always very much involved in that. The others are very supportive and would campaign and do a lot of things. And the campaigner to that he was very well known for his supporters know her army. Shes been a big help. Host why did she go to med school and how to join up in texas . Guest i ended up in texas because my first trip to texas to live there if i was drafted. I was in the middle of my residency at the Henry Ford Hospital in detroit and the crisis came up so is yanked out in and have been in the air force for five years, but we like texas. When i finished my residency after that in pennsylvania, then we went back to texas. You asked also about how going into medicine. I think i always wanted to do it, but i was very cautious because i never wanted to say what im going to do and not be successful. So i wasnt going to fail going to be a doctor because i know it wasnt easy. I wanted to be certain and as i gain more confidence that i decided to do it. I was very influenced by the tragedy of war, the tragedies they knew about as a kid from world war ii. Friends and people who didnt come back in korea was the same way and vietnam is the same way. One of the things they knew even early on that i would never be able to shoot somebody. I thought if i was a doctor i could help people and not in the back of my mind was always coming and how come i always made the assumption i would be drafted and i was right. I was drafted coming in now, and put into that situation. Not quite the same situation, but that was one of the motivations. You know, i like science. I liked dealing with people. I ended up doing obstetrics because it was a tough schedule. Still a very enjoyable part of medicine bringing new life into the world. Host can you estimate how many babies you run into the world . Guest about 4000. Many delivered a lot are then not, but i took a leave of absence now and then. Host ron paul is our guest. If little over an hour left in her and that program for this month and we will return to your phone calls now. John is calling for more again. You run the air. Caller thank you for your dedicated service to our nation. You are perhaps actually come you are the only republican from texas i have any respect for her whatsoever. Thank you again for that. My question is with treaties and trade agreements having the power to supersede our constitution, mr. Paul, i would like your opinion on whether things like the transpacific partnership, the taxed should be released for the American Public to review before any vote is ever taken to enact or defeat such a trade agreement. And again, congressman paul come i thank you for your service. Guest all of this stuff is readily available and they get it out to everyone with an interest and they can make a there congressman because i dont like these multiple agreements and i dont like the way they are devised because of course the president is giving authority to negotiate these treaties and i dont get should be the congress so i think theyre all bad. But ive always been annoyed by these multilateral and unilateral treaties and how many countries have a promise that we would go and defend if they were ever attacked. Well, the idea that its a mutual defense treaty is they will calm with us. We had to sign treaties about these countries because if we get attacked, and helped us. That is not a. That is for instance a treaty to defend taiwan. What moral right is the one generation, 56 years ago have to sign a treaty that treats our kids and tax dollars to defend taiwan. Im sympathetic. I hope nothing ever happens to them, but that treaty shouldnt be a proper treaty. In the moral sense. I think some of these treaties you take the United Nations treaty. We have to go along with the rules and they say we have to fight a war in the sort of thing. Well, these treaties should be challenged and of course the Supreme Court would never rule any of these things unconstitutional. But there is way, way too many treaties that this type of commitment and i just think theyre wrong. Host carl linker asked email, what do you think is the single biggest cause of government growth over the last one . Guest it is a philosophy. It is a philosophy of government and its the acceptance of interventionism that people believe they have to be protected by the government. The government has a right and obligation to intervene, to manage the economy and tell us what we can eat, drink, smoke, whatever. We are so smart and so good and so exceptional that we have the obligation to tell everybody around the world how to live. His whole philosophy, which is opposite of liberty, interventionism is where the government takes over and cancels out all your liberty. So this acceptance of interventionism that promotes Big Government, then they work in collusion with paying for the government and inspiring attacks to the hill and then you dont have enough to just print the money and you end up in a mess like we have today. Host jerry in ann arbor asked via email, does ron paul think we should do anything about Climate Change . Guest well, i would like them to send me some warmer weather to texas. Ive had a frost at home for the last five years. Im tired of it. My fruit trees are freezing. This last winter is terrible. We had a cold winter and it made the sea we grow like never before. The seaweed on our beaches are three feet high and they say its because the water is too cold. Im looking forward to the day we get warmer weather. We are having a cool summer, too. The little that you could do if i dont like to deal with changing the climate because you cant change the climate per se. But you could feel something with pollution. Pollution is a violation of Property Rights and for too long, big business and government in collusion together to allow pollution and right now our military is a big polluter. You have to do is go to iraq and look at the burn pits and all the carbon and other things going on. So when i lived in pittsburgh as a kid, we had the worst skies on the worst water in the world. That affect entire city and there was an outfit that the epa because you shouldnt have the right to pollute your neighbors property. If anybody is serious about worrying about global warming, they need to look at some of the statistics over the last 100 years because it is far from conclusive. You have a 15 year period of temperatures gradually getting warmer and a 50 year period gradually getting colder and maybe half of a degree here and there. I think it is way overblown, but i dont think you should ignore pollution in the air and would solve most of the problems of Property Rights. Storms will come and go and you have earthquakes and hurricanes and volcanoes for a long time to come and you want to compare what a big volcano does to our atmosphere compared to other things. But what i dont like about it is you didnt say yes, mankind has to be reined in. Mankind has destroyed this world and is coming to an end. Thats a bit over the top because the evidence is quite fair and they say no, if you dont endorse global warming, youre some kind of a political atheist and you deserve to be crucified and its a religion for some people. I think they need to calm down a little bit on that because i think they are using it as a tool to promote, you know, their agenda and this whole idea that government has solved this problem. I think governments are so often, you know, contributed to the cost. These people who are doing the preaching, most of the time they have their own private jet flying around. They dont seem to curtail the run activities. If they really want to work on it, they had, they had to work on government pollution, you know, before they close down industry. Host gym, then hoover, washington, go ahead with your comment. Caller dr. Paul, would like to thank you for your service. My question to you is i have been doing some reading about a financial Credit Rating that our nation that i wasnt aware of this, but our financial rating could be downgraded and precipitated see how via saudi arabia, Something Like that. What you know about that and how does that really relate to us . Guest it has been downgraded one time but totally ignored because we have the military might and we still have most of the wealth. It has been downgraded, can get downgraded again. There has been a little bit of a move in that direction of foreign holders of baghdad. Recent weeks ive looked at the statistics and it shows theres been a little bit of selling with china and other countries in our Federal Reserve has been buying more. Not too long ago, there were some statistics showing that maybe russia might have sold a lot of the bonds because they were threat would be confiscated and it looks like all of the sudden bolivia ended up dying a lot of it and there was no way bolivia had the money. So it had to be shenanigans of the fence extending credit and because we dont want our Balance Sheet to look so bad. Thats a big issue and its unpredictable about when the momentum will build and they will lose control of it. Right now they have been able to so call manage it but its also the reason i havent gotten out of the recession because its hanging over our heads. The debt problem is the one problem they have not solved and they cant solve under todays conditions. Host you are not in government anymore so i dont think you have to answer this question bed and he sends an email, where does ron paul keep his money, stocks bond schools real estate or under the mattress . Guest sure. I think ive mentioned these things. Over the many years i have had an investment letter one time and i hate paper and gold. I have always favored real assets. Something that the government cant read duplicate. As accused kid i was raised to save silver coinage and when i started studying the money issue i enjoyed saving coins and gold coins but when i was a kid it was illegal and we only got the legal right to own gold in 1976. So roosevelt made it illegal in 1933 because he ran all the gold in at 20 an ounce and made it 35 an ounce cheating people out of the depreciation of the gold dollar value. So i think gold, if you worry about paper money by gold or silver. I think the stock market a couple of days ago they had quoted in a newspaper ron paul thinks theres a stock market bubble and the next day the market went down five points. They really watch it. I think stocks are a terrible place to have your money. But thats my opinion. The ones who have been in the market they make a lot of money doing this. They kid me on tv and they say wrongly understand you would buy gold in this sort of thing and you are interested when gold was 35 an ounce. They said yeah but think of all the money you didnt make in regular stock market. Gold at 35 an ounce was a trick and now we are at 1500 you know. I think real assets are good. I think property is good. I think stocks and bonds dont make any interest. So i think all that is important and i try to practice good habits on that. But do you know what, if you are a survivalist come you have gold and silver and you have a gun and a water and you have a haven to go to but not if its worth anything if you dont have your freedom. That is why i invest every but thats my biggest investment is investing in promoting the cause of liberty. For me personally to live in a free society and my family and everybody in america to have freedom because thats the only investment that really counts because governments are big and they have a lot of guns. No matter how immoral and wrong the irs is they are very powerful and they have been abusing their power for a long time and they frighten me. As a matter of fact we have an Organization Campaign for liberty and they are hounding us and threatening us and trying to close us down and take the money out of our Checking Account because we wouldnt turn over names of the people who donated. And yet this Supreme Court ruling says theyre theyre theyre had to turn turn over the names in this organization. So thats the investment we should all be involved in. Educate ourselves, educate your friends and neighbors and try to promote Good Government but if we dont live in a free society i will tell you what, your guns arent going to be enough to protect us. I mean it might help now and then against gangsterism but right now we have to address the subject of a runaway government. Host two quotes from two different books. This is freedom under seige 1987. The right is a natural godgiven permits received at birth to act in ones own selfinterest with total control over ones own life and liberty as long as others are not injured nor their property taken or damaged and to follow that up with liberty defined book from 2011, in a free society individuals are allowed to be creeps and pick and choose all their associations. That is they can discriminate even when the majority disapproves of their choices. Guest thats a hard one for a lot of people that most people accept their First Amendment. The First Amendment says the government cant write any clause about our speech. Which means that we can criticize their government and we can say things and we can say controversial things. I always say to make the point the First Amendment isnt there because, it isnt there to regulate talking about the weather. Its fair to regulate and permit controversial speech and controversial personal practices should be legal too. This protects everybody no matter what your personal beliefs are. You might be very liberal or very conservative than you might have Different Reasons to want your liberty and you want the government out of your life. That is why i believe you should be able to bring liberals and conservatives together to defend liberty even though we might use our liberty differently but there are some rules and here and its nonaggression both on the exercise of the nonaggression principle is that you cant aggress against your neighbor. You cant initiate force. We have a government initiating force against other nations but you cant initiate force and if you have that than you can take property and you can take a persons property. It would be a wonderful and Perfect World if everybody followed this right now we have a government that does not follow it. That is where the real problem is because theres confiscation of wealth and abuse of regulations and micromanaging our personal activities and their personal associations. All life is made up of discrimination. Everything we do is making a choice. Am i going to be here or my going to be here but all of a sudden people want to get into this micromanaging of what we do with our personal lives. Right now one thing that i have a little struggle with that im going to work on is this obsession with Political Correctness. The libertarian would say you know if im a businessman and im a real goofball, the libertarian message is boycott them. The boycotts in the Civil Rights Movement was great. Boycott them and emphasize this. Dont do it, dont subsidize them. You should be able to do that. What happens when everybody gangs up on you . You didnt do anything illegal. He just didnt take good common sense and did something very impolite and everybody, Government People down to everybody in the media piles on until they lose their job and they could go bankrupt because of it. It seems like there should be a limit that i dont know where that would be because im such a free spirit. You want to allow people to do what they want but there are conditions which it looks like Political Correctness is getting around the First Amendment. Outside of government if we punish that person it will be good. I would always lean towards the side of saying that the government should be involved and when people do things that are goofy, even if they dont deserve it and they said something stupid if people are so obes sussed with trying to punish them and show how good they are, most of the time when they do this i think the people who come down the hardest on individuals who spoke indiscreetly and said something, i think people come down on them are very insecure themselves with these issues and they have to prove how saintly they are and that is why they bear down on these people and they want to destroy them. Host from 1987 on individual rights, you write a employee rights are said to be valid when employers pressure employees into sexual activity. Why dont they quit once the socalled harassment starts . Obviously the morals of the harasser cannot be defended but how can the voracity escape some responsibility for the problem . Seeking protection under civil rights legislation is hardly acceptable. Is that paragraph to him in any travel . Guest well i am sure there are plenty out there who would say thats too much freedom they are on that. But voluntary contracts. Everything is voluntary. If you are the businessman and im the employee and i decide to work for you and you tell me what the rules are i have to live up to them. If you injure me than i have a right to recourse but if you just annoy me and bug me and do things and offend me i should quit you know because you cant keep me there. You cant force me or i would be a slave if i cant leave. I should have the right to leave and i think there wouldnt be a need for a federal policeman to come in and try to settle these things. I just think the voluntary contract and the nonaggression principle can deal with this. If you aggressively hurt people, and this doesnt have to wait until somebody socks you in the nose because if there is a threat of force and people, and point a gun at you you dont have to wait until they shoot you. You have a right to defend yourself but i think the bureaucrats arent capable of sorting these things out. Host jeremiah you are on booktv on cspan2 with ron paul. Caller its nice to speak with you doctor. Your statement a wonderful patriot. My question is on Social Security. Ever since the protections of congress there has been a bipartisan source fund and i dont understand why the Congress Allowed all these public Retirement Funds do not pay into Social Security. My answer if i had the powers, if every American Worker contributed a small amount to Social Security would be solvent tomorrow. Can i have your thoughts please . Guest i guess he is referring to contributing money to bail out the public Pension Funds . Pension funds, well i would have to get a further understanding of this but most of the program should not exist. Well its easier to talk about it pension fund for the military. If you have somebody in the military for 10 or 20 years and we have a contract with them we have to pay for them. The money should be saved. Our book should be balanced. We shouldnt have deficits. We shouldnt have welfare. A lot of times we have funds. Users of the type of fund isnt the worst idea as an intern. The Highway Trust Fund for instance, they shouldnt be there but if it is it should be honored. What happens is you have these trust funds whether its Social Security or Highway Trust Fund. That money gets taken and its immediately put into the cash bond and that money is spent on militarism and other things. So its a whole system of government overspending and i think these Pension Funds you are only seeing the beginning of this weather their local Government Funds but even nationally i think there will come a time that you are going to see some real trouble with Social Security and all the Pension Funds. Host the next call is from stephanie and alger michigan. Stephanie please go ahead. Caller hi dr. Paul. Im a 30yearold nurse with seven Years Experience and i recently decided to further my education and consider becoming a Nurse Practitioner of biomedical engineer were leaving health care altogether to enter electrical engineering. My question is do you think with all that Government Intervention and regulation within a Health Care Including the medical device tax can it become health care become a prosperous industry or do you think nows a good time to cut ties and exit . Guest i think it depends on how devoted you are to participating in medicine both because of the good you can do with it and also if you enjoy it and enjoy doing it. A bar five children we have three physicians but i never went out of my way to encourage them to do it. I think they all went into medicine for the right reasons but there was a lot of hesitation. Its going to get worse and medicine today is so much more difficult than bureaucratic than it was when i started. Its very difficult and besides if you leave one field you think you will be free from some of the obstacles that we face there. You may with obama may with obamacare and this taxing, things can get much worse. I wouldnt tell people not to do it. Are you really going to get some personal enjoyment out of changing right now . Also if we can keep their right to do things privately. If you can opt out theres always going to be a place for people to work even in medicine. Today its being shaky and they are trying to take that away from us. That will be a personal decision on your part but you will have to decide whether you want to risk going into completely different feel. Host tisha tweets in to you dr. Paul, what can the next generation of people who want to defend liberty and politics do . Guest first they need to understand the freedom philosophy, what liberty is all about, where it comes from and what it really means. And understand that, i understand it well enough to be able to explain it. Because they will meet the demagogues, believe me. If you are freemarket person you hate poor people and you let them starve in the street and never give them any medicine not realizing that its a welfare system and a social system where people end up not having enough to eat and not having good medical care. So understanding that and realizing that freedom is controversial because you allow a lot of activities that seem to be immoral and people will be critical and say you let people smoke marijuana cigarettes . This is horrible and you dont want to do that but you have to remember that if you legalize something that allow people to make their own choices that doesnt mean you endorse the activity. Thats a big difference. If you understand this then people arent frightened by it. I think studying it and understanding it and knowing how to answer the negative comments about it because they are very serious and people who care about how they are doing moral morally, we have to make sure nobody starves in the street but if you understand that and then what you do after that its going to be up to the individuals. I think if a person is teaching or in journalism on tv, teaching anything or starting an organization are all running for office it depends on the individual. I get to ask the question so often on the College Campus and they say what should i do . I say whatever you want to do. Do what you want but know what you are talking about or know what the philosophy is and know how wonderful it is and find out how untested its been. We have had such a short period of time if you look at all of recorded history of thousands of years its only been a couple hundred years where they really talked about personal liberty, industrial industrialization of our world and the improvement of society. This is a short period of time. Everything else has been a authoritarianism and the individual individual is important so i think we only have a little taste. We had a great period of time in our early history. It was fantastic more liberty and more prosperity than anyplace else in the world and now we have given up on it. But i think we can keep moving in the right direction as long as we know what the principles are and people are talked into endorsing these principles and they shouldnt be intimidated by the demagogues and the people who pump out the war propaganda. We have to always be in a war to save the world or we always have to raise the taxes in order to make sure that the middle class is doing well and at the same time realizing we are destroying the middle class and all we are doing is rewarding the rich. When they realize that. Host before we got started you mentioned people under 25 or more likely to recognize you than people who are 55. Guest at least they are more likely to come up to me. Maybe if they are 35 or 40 or 50 maybe there are more reserved and they dont come up at the young people will come up to me and they always are very polite. I just think oh the Younger Generation and how terrible they are and they will show you some picture of the wild things that they do but i will tell you what the ones that come to our rallies and meetings im really impressed. Thats what gets me high hopes that we do have a generation very interested in these issues we have been talking about. They are already very engaged. I have kids that are 14 years old and they are dragging their parents, they drag their parents to my congressional office. I look at them and i say they dont know about the Federal Reserve. How old are you . 14 years old. I didnt have the faintest idea what was going on when i was 14 so they are very engaged. That is why we shouldnt be too messed a mistake about whats happening. Host christopher tweets in, do you broadcast the cspan booktv channel in hd and if not why not . Guest christopher yes we do broadcast in hd and several systems across the country are carrying that signal in hd. Its up to each individual system so thanks for that. Charles and georgia in the could she georgia. Please go ahead with your question or comment for ron paul. Caller dr. Paul i followed you throughout the 2012 primaries and every debate you were head and shoulders above all the other candidates. Everyone i know voted for you but i dont think our votes were any good due to a computer problem. Thats the only way i can explain why you didnt win the primary caucus. They change the rules on you so whats your comment on that . Guest i think you are pretty close to being on target. The rules did get changed and you know there were several states where was very blatant and they just refused to have our delegates go. They were very very frightened. You know, they said i had six states or something. They were so cautious that they have to work very hard to make sure none of those are counted. So yes, the process is very questionable but thats unfortunately the way so much of the politics are. From the very first race i ever ran we had shenanigans going on. I think its too common but i tend to agree with what you are saying. Host david in fairfax virginia. Hi david. Caller hello. Dr. Paul sounds like a lot of others in the liberty movement. They used to be huge deal. I went to afghanistan and after i came back i started reading about you and your views seemed to be the only ones that made sense from all the politicians i read about. My questions but as a libertarian i believe in the nonaggression principle and one question that comes up a lot when im talking about that i havent been able to answer very well is about taxation in general because the way i see it in the way many people see it is that taxation is a form of aggression since you have to force someone to give you money that isnt doing it voluntarily. However you do at the paradox of the government at some point needs income of some sort even if its a very small government. How would you reply to that as far as how the government would receive income . Guest well, and a more perfect system if we could could scrap what we have and we were devising yet, i wouldnt have an income tax certainly. The constitution permits some taxation but i would move in the direction of a user tax. If you want government involved in highways and the people who drive on the highways, the gasoline tax to make sure all the money collected goes there and not off into some other Welfare Program. A user tax is a good idea. Along our gulf coast we have the intercoastal canal and it takes a lot of maintenance and the people who use the canal pay a lot of money to use it. But then they that money gets spent and they have to come back and lobbied to get the congress to appropriate the money to take care of the intercoastal canal. So know user fees are a good idea. I know its far from perfect but the most popular Bumper Sticker that i had that was on my desk for a long time and i still use it and that says dont steal. The government hates competition and i think taxation in many ways is to stealing especially when its further redistribution of wealth that i would say probably about 80 of it is redistributing it from one group to another and unfortunately it isnt going to the people who really need the help and pretend its being redistributed to help the poor but its redistributed to help out the very wealthy group that are able to manipulate the Federal Reserve system and the Financial System and the military system. Host you said you wont run for president again. Could you see yourself running for congress . Guest you know i have done that a few times and you did read out a little bit but im going to have to brag just a little bit on one thing because i dont know how many have done it because you cant beat incumbents. Even though as much as they complain incumbents are pretty secure and is starting to shift now at the tea party. Every once in while we see incumbents losing that i ran into different periods of time and two times i have been an incumbent. So it was a challenge but im not going to go for another record and say i beat an incumbent the third time time. No im very content to do what im doing now and if people want to pay a little attention thats good with me. Actually i never expected to get very much attention. I expect to get elected and then i thought well if i talk about what i really believe that they wont elect me. I was pleasantly surprised and then i thought well what if i vote this way of the time . That means id have to vote against a lot of stuff in my district. I got reelected than too so im not ready to do that. Im not going to do that again but i will keep trying to spread a message. I thought that i would just be setting a record in washington even if it have to be one or two or three by myself. The one record i have is i have voted more than anybody else put together. I thought it was just to set a record someday later. We go back and look at it and say we hear about this guy. I wonder how they voted and have been interested in this particular philosophy. I was thinking in the distant future i would quietly go about my business and make my statements but then something happened about six years ago when all of a sudden i think there was an explosion in the interest in whats going on. The economy crashed and the wars went badly and i was more visible in the president ial races, so the recession changed a lot from what i had expected. Host cynthia, Virginia City nevada, good afternoon. Caller hello dr. Paul. Its good to see in such vibrant and good health. I was one of those National Delegates from nevada who voted for you in tampa when you were denied your nomination speech. Right now the rnc has placed or conine rules for electing delegates to the national convention. The winner of the primaries in each state will be able to handpick the National Delegate circumventing the grassroot. We have been trying really hard to change that rule which was a bad pass by the majority at that convention. If you watch the video you hear that huge majority of no. What can those of us working in the gop do about this . We have had no luck or success thus far at the rnc meetings. Guest well i think they have to do more of what you are doing, letting us know about that and you have firsthand experience in this and you know what they were doing. But yeah they just flatout change the rules and the interesting thing is, its a worthwhile effort because they talk about the ron paul people thinking only they were being punished and illustrated at them and any ron paul people doing this again. There were a lot to work considered in that category and part of our organization but they were part of a decent conservative wing of the party that could see the same thing you just described. It was undermining the grassroots so theres a Big Coalition you point out they didnt even have the votes and they didnt force the votes so i would say people between now and convention time, there has to be a lot of grassroots effort which is a really tough job and it has to be done individually and local communities and at each stage in order to get the people to these conventions in order to get these rules changed. G what you are by calling in and getting this information out. Host ron paul, after the 2012 convention in tampa you held your last big rally down there at the university of southern florida. Did the Romney Campaign reach out to . Did you endorse him, speak for . Guest i would say no. No, i mean ,com,com ma mitch and i got along real well and there were politics and, you know, when we did not talk about politics a sort of liked him because he had a large family, one son that was in a local school and mrs. Romney was very nice and she got along real well with carol. So in a social sense we did. Politically it was a different story. I mean, we just had such strong disagreements. But it was also strategy for his part, you know come into a piece on the surface be as friendly as possible because we had a significant amount. Some people think it was a very significant number of delegate so we are not going to yell and scream and curse at us because they would not and could politics and that means that ideas have consequences and even if they dont want you, they have to recognize and i was part of the reason during the campaigns, the Romney Campaign wanted to sort of appease us a bit and they asked boehner to call up the vote, which was my bill, a big issue. We won overwhelmingly banal the republicans supported it. This was an idea and i saw this as a victory in ideology because it was a big issue because openness in the Financial System was a good idea. But aspires speaking, no, i dont think. It would have been difficult for me because we wouldnt have been able it wouldve been difficult for him to expect that, too because we had such strong disagreements on Foreign Policy and the point of civil liberty and the nsa and cia and its police and the cia was much stronger than me. Host larry, oklahoma, youre in booktv with ron paul. Caller i still have my ron paul Bumper Sticker. My question is about the constitution itself. The treaty clause and it seems to be the way to Big Government takes it and adjust the people by making contracts with the people. For example, the birth certificate. Our parents treat a tax to traders into slavery. The go to war under a un resolution. You should not be able to do that fox. In the courts should deal with this. It should be taken and thrown out. Even engaging with these trees undermines our sovereignty. But when eight. It was meant to be amended in a much different manner. On our Facebook Page. Finding myself more distant from government involvement in general. Is it healthy to think like an anarchist . What are your views . I think if somebody is an anarchist and they totally believe in and no government and they dont use force at the moment to go and start shooting up the government so we dont have any government, that would be wrong, but to be an anarchist and assume responsibility for yourself as a great idea. Momend start shooting up the government so we dont have any government that would be wrong but to be an anarchist and assume spor youf i happen to be one that believes that education is probably paramountramount but Political Action can be very helpful and sometimes Political Action, my elections and things and galvanizing interest is a measurement of our success on our ideas so i think this is very important. But anarchy is not harmful to me. Especially if you give up if you are a true libertarian you have rejected the use of force. I dont have to worry about you. But if you dont want to your biggest problem in being an anarchist and a government that doesnt agree with you is that while i want to opt out. They are going to come with guns but you know we do have incidences where some people do get to opt out and when you think about the amish and mennonites, i think they get exempted they like to just think of those groups. Why couldnt all of us have that opportunity . We voluntarily want to get out and we dont want to we want to take care of ourselves. Either an individual should be allowed to do that, get no benefits from a government or your group can do that. A Libertarian Society actually gives full permission for socialism, voluntary socialism. If you want to get together and do experiments with that in our history you are voluntary socialism. If you go together and we agree and we are running this community large, small endeavor on the social scheme you should be allowed to. We should be allowed you know to stay out of that. The problem is its so inefficient that the socialists know their system is going to fail so they have to use the force of a government gone to take money from the people who arent socialists in order to subsidize their program. Libertarianism is full Legal Protection of anybody who wants to have voluntary socialism but socialists never will endorse the idea of you having your personal liberty where you can take care of yourself and not ask for nothing from anybody else. Host if you were to recommend one of your books for people, which one would you recommend . Guest well i think probably liberty defined because it goes over 50 issues and most people ask specific questions about these. I think they get more out of that. Of course if somebodys interested in the monetary issues, its end of the fed and the revolution is one that talks about what was going on back in 08 with the first campaign. Because that was actually when the Tea Party Movement started that nobody remembers that. It started in 07, you know on tea party day. I think it was december 17 or something and that was one that started spontaneously without a campaign. But soon morphed into Something Else because the republicans said a this is a movement so we had better get a little bit of control of this thing and make sure there are noninterventionist. So thats a mixed bag now that the revolution book goes over a general philosophy. The fed of course is monetary but the 50 liberty defined goes over each individual item so you could go through the index. It wouldnt take you long to find something controversial and there are say hey not this issue. Host are you working on a book currently . Guest in many ways, yes. I have done an outline and ive put some work into it and i cant get it quite concluded. Hopefully in the next several months i can and its a book about you never would guess, its a book just on war. The issue of war and why peace is better than war. I attended intended the title and made on it was swords into plowshares, which tells the story you know of why cant we have an advancement in civilization where we go from the assumption that we will always have wars and move into a period of time where why cant we use all this energy and advancing civilization to work toward peace. Think what has happened technologically in 200 years about the Amazing Things that have happened technologically. Everything from energy to bombs and planes. Most of the time is always used to make war more efficient to kill more people. Why cant we use the intellectual advancement of society and the social advancement were all of a sudden we started using this for peace. I am of the believe its conceivable that you could usher in a whole civilization that you would have to move in the direction of late president talking about, no government talking about less government. Government is the one that starts war. The one story i tell in the book is that about world war ii, we had cousins that were in the military and they were overseas fighting. We have relatives in germany and we as kids were taught to pray for our relatives that they didnt get killed in the war. And our cousins ended up in prison camps so here we are trying to pray for them not to be killed and it doesnt make any sense at all, you know. I must have been less than 10 when the war was over and that was close to my grandmother who was very german. I must have been talking to her about it and she said do you know what . You know that people dont want war. The people were still her relatives. She says, people dont want war. Its only the government. Think about that. Thats pretty profound because even today a lot of people believe this, that its the governments that get us into trouble. People dont all of a sudden say oh lets go have a war. It doesnt happen that way. They have to be else up to have a hitler to challenge. Saddam hussein is hitler and now putin is hitler and that changes the atmosphere and builds up the war propaganda. People need to understand that. I think there is room right now for recognition and i try to do that in this book and it may or may not come, to recognize we live in a special age. We are witnessing something fantastic and that is the 20th century has shown us a total failure of government, government wars. Think of it, world war ii one, the war to end all wars and the war to end all peace totally senseless war that gave us world war ii thats been going on and on. I think now its recognized that government running wars makes no sense and intervention is economics and paper money makes no sense. Now we have this wonderful opportunity to have a new system which would be more dense than anything we have ever had before and we have the ability to spread these ideas with the tool we have never had before. It was slow moving. Think of what has happened technologically what is happening in 200 years with the slow movement of technology. But now in social science of ideas, these ideas can move more quickly than ever before. I am convinced that people like my grandmother who said we dont want wars, the military dont want wars. I dont know if you remember that during the campaign i got more money from the military than all the rest put together. One man who called and said he had been in afghanistan and converted and came over from a neocon. They are the ones who are involved. I was in the military in 1965 when they escalated in vietnam and i had gone into the reserves and gone back to my residency. Im in the military. The last thing i want is my government to expand the war. The war made no sense anyway and the military are very good people. There are good military people and i actually said well i have to be able to defend my country. They go went for a good purpose that they were recognized as fast as anybody that these wars made no sense. I think this is, i think there is a major sea change in there but we still have lots of problems or they dont have the soviet system. The soviet system collapsed. The american system is going to collapse. We are into many countries and we abuse our privileges way too much and our dollar is in tough shape. So we are ripe for some very very great things to happen in this country as long as we keep our eye on the ball and it all has to do with our individual liberty, where it came from and why its important and why selfrespect and self responsibility and solve the problems that governments have only made worse with hundreds if not thousands of years. Host ron paul. William in tennessee you are on the air. Caller yes, dr. Paul. It is a pleasure and an honor to speak to you. I was 20 years old in 1988. You kind of lit my fire in a campaign for harry brown in tennessee. I just really appreciate the break you gave me through the 80s and 90s. I just want to ask you a question. Many questions have been answered by previous scholars and your answers to them especially about as emma goldman said i will not rule and i will not be ruled. I would like to ask you what you think about the quote of the country should go more than 20 years without a violent uprising in a bit beat that the republicans will almost and the decree must be watered from time to time with the blood of tyrants. [inaudible] i know it would be suicide for people with these formal issues but just your thoughts and ideas. Host all right, we got the point. Guest okay, i guess that you have never heard me use that quote from jefferson and you probably wont because it wouldnt be one of my favorite quotes. He has a point there that you have to fight for your liberties and you have to reestablish its its a little too much bloodletting in those quotes. My personality just doesnt lean in that direction. I think you have to renew the spirit of liberty and build on it and improve on it but i lean much closer to gandhi approach you know, then i do that you have to have blood in they have to shoot and you have to change things he did i recognize how powerful ideas are and persistence is very good. It might be my personality. Like i said i became a doctor because i never wanted to carry a gun and shoot somebody. I want a revolution and im fighting for that. I write about it and its high on my agenda but my revolution is not with the need of violence. But i do believe in selfdefense. As much as nonviolent of a person that i am if someone came into my household and my family threatened me i believe i would have the moral right and obligation to use lethal force. Still when it comes to politics i sort of like what Martin Luther king did with nonviolen nonviolence. He preached that as well as gandhi. He was taking on the British Empire and its my personal way of doing it. I am always hoping that my views could prevent the need for a violent overthrow. Host just a few minutes left with our guests. Cincinnati. Caller hi. Thanks for taking my call. My question concerns medical tort reform and liberty. Practicing defensive medicines for fear of malpractice and ordering diagnostic tests not necessarily for the benefit of the patient. [inaudible] however i talk to legal scholars on the matter that tort reform is difficult because it a right to a fair trial and i was wondering if you have any thoughts on that. Guest yes, i have and ive worked on legislation with that and you can find the answer and free market. The governments prevent us from a freemarket solution to that. You should be able to contract with patience. The doctor should be able to contract if something goes wrong that there would be an arbitrator. That there may be even an insurance policy that would guarantee this. There could be an insurance policy for an obstetrician for the care of a one for nine months and no matter what happens that insurance should take care of all the problems. It wouldnt be confrontational. We dont go to court and fight it out when theres insurance with our automobiles. In medicine you can do that but the problem is contracts arent legitimate. They throw the contracts out and say the patient has the right to sue and they have the right to do this and you cant get them to sign something saying that they wouldnt sue you. But if they would agree to the arbitration it would be a solution to do it. But right now it is a real mess. Some of the specialties, ob is one and sba out anesthesiology is another. The rates are so high. The struggles i felt about this we had people come up and write National Laws dictating to the states and i couldnt support it because i didnt like the vehicle. I didnt think the federal government should be involved but some states have done a better job and some of the tort law has been improved in texas and other places. It could be solved in a free market by allowing contracts. Host font in encino california, you are on the air. Caller hello. Its good to see you and i want to say you look great for 79. Absolutely wonderful for 79. And its good to see you peter. You are looking wonderful. My question is, im going to get on the race situation. Since president obama has been in office it seems like the country is split and a lot of racial tension has emerged again. Do you see this racial tension has always been there but its just morphed in a different way and simmer down for a while until president obama was elected and came into office . And also one more thing. Host what do you think, fond . What do you think . Caller honestly i feel that it has always been sort of a racial undertone in the country anyway. Thats something that just has to disappear. I feel that it has emerged again and morphed more since president obama came into office areas but there are a lot of things, i am more of a balanced person so people think im on the republican side and if i speak more socially people think im a democrat. I am neither republican nor democrat. Theres so much tension that just has to be released out of the country in order to make a more, say a country with the liberty and justice for all. Host thank you, fond and in fact in liberty defined you have a whole chapter on racism. Host guest not an easy problem to deal with. There is the racism that exists. I think of our conditions were good and the country was thriving and obama was in charge of the Libertarian Society and we were having no problems it would be a lot less. There would always be some racial sentiment against the president no matter how well we were doing. But when things go badly those individuals who have a racial tendency, it actually gives them an excuse to do this. So i think its sort of related to what is happening. I have made comments about some of the problems about our borders that you know its the economy that leads to her trouble at the borders. If we were doing well at wouldnt be an issue but because we are doing so badly and we have to find somebody to blame much of this stuff and hatred about illegals is a bit of scapegoating and using this as an excuse. I dont think youll ever get rid of those and the only solution to me that people have these negative sentiments as libertarianism and accepting in principle you cant use force to hurt anybody and impose your will on other people. Its sort of takes care of that and those people are totally unimportant. They have no value but to sort all that out, i dont know if anybody could tell exactly how much of the resentment is because of race versus what is in the economy. I think our society, our government is in such bad shape and people are sick of the economy and sick and tired of the wars in these other things that happened since obamas president right now. Hes an easy target but me personally, i was disturbed as much with a couple republican president s of lamb with this one may be because i thought they would say one thing and they were doing exactly the opposite. I was then that every bit as much and it had nothing to do with the color of skin. Host Caroline Littleton colorado emails do you believe civil rights would have happened without retro intervention . Guest oh absolutely. Oh yes because i think we were well underway. All they did do was repeal of the bad laws. Most of the civil strife in came from the government all the way back to slavery. That was a government function they should have gotten rid of it. From the very beginning that they didnt. We segregated the military during world war ii. In my lifetime we segregated the military. The jim crow laws. That was government. So is she repeal all of that where were the times that immigration . Jackie robinson and branch ricky. That was fantastic. I think the way it went turned out terribly. The buzzing on arguments, that was not eliminating jim crow laws. Where were the biggest riots over bussing . In boston, the people who did the most preaching about those terrible preaching in the south that bussing. You dont need a government to do that. You need the government to act voluntarily and you need to get rid of the laws and all the things that the government did to promote segregation because it wouldnt have happened otherwise. Host the last call bolivia in arizona. Hi bolivia. Caller hello. Thank you dr. Paul and thank you for inspiring us. I have two questions. One your feelings about the controversy and impact on our freedom and the second question our current immigration challenge to our security and our liberty. Thank you. Agenda 21 this u. N. Stuff and trying to usurp more for sovereignty. I dont believe in the u. N. And i dont believe we should be in it but we are in agenda 21 so that would be dismissed in a Libertarian Society. On immigration we have talked a little bit about that. That is more complex but its a consequence of bad policy, bad economic policy, people in this country who wouldnt take a job from outside and wanting to work, a weak economy. It makes people very nervous and jobs are being stolen. It has been a big big problem. We dont have an efficient immigration service. I think it shouldve been much more efficient. I think work should have become available more easily. I think if a legal people come in they should get no subsidies. They shouldnt get Free Health Care and Free Education that we should be more generous in allowing people to calm and work. There were so some time that happened and it would be a Great Service to our country. The frear we are the more we would welcome people who come in and help us out because we would be getting wealthier. The best we have on the borders are complicated because of the drug laws. The drug lords are fighting and killing with each other. This is why i have always fought against the war on drugs. They have these consequences that we have a lot of criminals on the borders and a lot of money involved. Its not just because there is a bunch of bad people we cant get along with the mexican people. That is probably way down on the list of problems. Its because of bad policies why we have a mess on our borders. Host ron paul what is on your Summer Reading list . What are you currently reading . Guest Robert Dreyfuss right out the doubles game and he writes about the middle east, a great story about our fallacy in our Foreign Policy and how we go in and precipitating hatred and how we misunderstood the radical islamist that do