Transcripts For CSPAN2 Julio 20240705

We wont be live everywhere for long but now were screaming live on our Youtube Channel on facebook and also connected directly to the live stream at our local stage and we love doing these longform interviews like weve done with david marcus and earlier this week with chris c call for our book Club Interviews are doing with the rate lewis rosa about his book fiery but mostly peaceful and weve also done a couple of other book interviews. Inext week, in 10 days june 1 where going to have a very special exclusive Live Book Club interview with the great jack parr, former navy seal, now with his fifth book of this week and by the time we talked to him june 1 will be a New York Times number one bestseller in july premiere of the brandnew streaming series is series of books which will start chris pratt. The guy is bigtime and hes great and he loves his country and i just dropped j the book and hes going to be with us june 1. Heres the deal. 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The best way now is for you to integrate without live stream, you can talk to me may 25 does not june first. Already im making mistakes. This is why i need jeffrey to help me and correct me. It is next week, its may 25 next wednesday is when we got jack parr. Thank you sarah and jeffrey for referencing that, i appreciate it. If you want to interact you can ask questions of me, ask essence of our great guest julio rosoff. Ndasking about specifically the book and his coverage of the rights. Is there a difference, will get into that in a moment. Also asking about his time in the marine corps. I see your question if you are a member of our local community your austin will be prominent at first and the rest of you freeloaders will have to wait. Anything else ive got to do . I want credit for im using my mike for i went on. I do bigtime show business i have people who unmute my tmike. There are people. Ive got no people here. If anyone wants to be one of my people will talk about it. I need people. All right. Lets bring him on. Hes the man of the hour, americas sweetheart. Hes a United States marine core member and theres no such thing as a former marine and now hes my colleague at the mighty town hall media and partner. He is julio rosoff. There he is. I feel like yours playing second base for the mets. Anything new york is obviously not up to par. Where are you from originally . Guest 45 minutes outside chicago, thats where Wheaton College is. Jokingly referred to as the harvard of christian colleges. D i grew up in the detroit area and when my brother moved to chicago, it was one thing and when he started his family, i Reince Priebus when his son was born, i remember going to celebrate with him, congratulations, you have a son, heres my curse for you, hell grow up a bears fan. Its true. He was good one time but that was before i was born. Exactly. Typical bears t fan. Just wait till last decade. Yeah. Exactly. All right. What are you drinking tonight, by the way . I have a little red wine with me. Im not drinking anything. I had water beforehand. Swing by jot presence that i guided and theyre around me and you show up around 4 00 in the afternoon usually. Im not his boss and down th line. Were going to get in the book i want to talk about what led up to the book first because i doubt when you were on the streets covering these riots in the back of your mind you were thinking, yeah, im going to write a book about that. Yeah. No, the kind of joke whistled tell people that we sometimes have working on the book. The main when it comes to the case of working on this, i didnt think when it all started out back in may, the two Year Anniversary coming up, the idea that i had was oh, the main thing was covid and everyone was concerned about that. When minneapolis popped up, i thought ill go cover this and then ill come back and things will just return to moray mall. Off the Trump Presidency in election year, in 2019 right after that i covered chaz that first week up in seat and willda then the day they got back from at leeanne taxer i was in dc and thats when they tried to tear down the interjection and they landed and i was like, oh, shoot. Ut late july and s early august i s thinking about it and then facing it already and i went on the front lines with all of that you already had kind of an outline and you didnt have to go back and remember everything that happened because you were documenting it as you went. Kind of, yeah. I honestly didnt give every ominute detail like i kind of o in the book. Even then it doesnt go over every single step i took just because they had the thing to do yes i go and then i leave. But my mindset changed from, okay, this is going to be a one and done or two and done to these things are never going to stop and then in the book i write that the idea is righting the darn thing and i was meeting up with the source up by capitol hill for the first time in a while since covid and i hadnt seen him this well in person. He really just said write the book. It was after that meeting in early august where i thought okay, im going to do that and my main concern was amm i going to have enough to write about. I knew there was going to be there had to be more analysis and kind of a fallowup to follow up to a big undertaking while also maintaining and doing my job. Not like i could take a two, three month sensorineural bat cal to work on them. Sabbatical to work on them. I could but i had never written a book and didnt know if i was going to get a book deal in the first place. There were pros and cons about it. Heres the thing, i just realized they hate my lighting. Itll take me 30 seconds to fix it and while db of interaural that, i want you to i do that i want you to tell everybody about when you joined the marine corp. , how old you were and how that decision came about. Ill be back 20 seconds into your answer, stand by. So i enlisted in may 2014 and or maybe 2015. That wasnt 20 second, you liar. Even better. Growing up i was interested Many American history but American History in general but specifically military history and i got that start after joiningg the Military Branch wih the veteran saying which one specifically. What are your feeling . My family on my step dad side was steeped into the marine corp. And i grew up and in the latter half and he was a world war ii veteran and fought for okinawa and he enlisted at 17 right after high school and after world war ii,as he was discharged from world warar i ad ables to join the marine corp. Reserves and during that time. He got out of the deployment to korea because he had more than two kids. So this is your great grandpa joining the marines here in world war ii and youre obviously the fourthh generation down from there. Generation andt then i come along and so i kind of was really fascinated with how the marine culture is and how its very again, its been tradition and history and very war mentally even if you are just admin, which i was not, thankfully. Was your great grandpa alive when you joined up . Yes, he was. You got pictures of yourself with him in uniform. We were able. I got pictures and he actually died in 2018, last week. Last week in 2018, on the 15th. He was able to see me and i graduated from boot camp since 2015. I was able to my job in the marine corp. C was logistics. I said i can do both and i can do active duty and wait for you bigger and funny story with that is people are all for not dropping out of college in 2017 to enlist fulltime. I think it was the good decision to do but at the time it was a bit of a risk. Thats when we first met andc we were associated with the examiner at the time actually. There was a protest you got in the middle of and ill be honest with you, there was an editorial position at examer, i dont think they knew what to do with you, julio. I dont think they understood how to harness your talent and its great you ended up at town hall. It was youd be a reporter or a News Reporter which is how Media Companies were structures for a very long time and i didnt want to be dedicated to just one thing and didnt want to just be on breaking news and there was opportunities cocover folks and i went out and did it and combining social media while covering a live event. Because of how things were structured, i just didnt fit into doing what i wanted to do. We parted ways. Amicably. T i was nothing for the best for the people of the examer and they have their examiner and they both have their ways of doing things and we ended up at town hall and Creative Vision and Business Vision recognizes they best way to utilize both f us in r very different ways and, boy, did you flourish. Its important that everybody understands this about writing the book and mostly peaceful and 2020 riots and fade patterns rights of america and people will make the mistake this is a tournament of or a chronicle of your experience on the street covering thesehe riots. But this is actually, this book is in the purest sense of the word in a visceration opportunistic the legacy corporate media. This is other journalistic endeavors and getting reporting on the riots and thats it. Thats the beginning and end of your participation and then other people will use that anotherrage now. Your power is that you were there and saw what was happening and you were able to blow away all of the myths that the media were telling us and youre a media critic and happened to be in the middle of the story telling the truth and used that truth to criticize the media and am i far off base from what im trying to do here. No, youre exactly right and it was bunny when the tame came and i have the belief in youre gob that be a reporter and dont spend or do analysis and be part of them and what it might be covering as true but if youre going to want to put your spin on it. You should be called a journalist and thats what the term should be and its beenized by the media and the term reporter in general means like itus used to and thats why theres philly when running town hall and what do you want your little to be. Rider is more encompassing and thats why i like to do anal cyst and opinions when its appropriate and when im actually knowledgeable. So when i was structuring the book it was set top be heres my experience, the experience of others and basic analysis on the damage and destruction and kind of all the stuff. It wasnt really meant to be, at first, not meant to be argue meanttive in the sense. Heres what happened, which is how i did live coverage. Reporting. My agent at athos who are great people. They said youve got a great book idea and publishers want them to be more than this. Heres what happened. This isnt a traditional history book and therefore we cant really sell it. Lets just end. I didnt want for what i saw and what other people experienced to get lost in the mix of these targets. I wasnt really thinking about it and said, you know what, everybody is talking about being a good agent so far down to jonathan. Went that route because, yeah, the first half of the book is like i said, just kind of heres what happened and what i was experiencing and other people experience and there were a lot of myths and disinformation. Exactly. An information board. I can be very stubborn. I can be very stubborn and set in my ways but deferring to people that are more knowledgeable than w you, whichs something a lot of people dont do these days and take that advice. I really love that it went that well and screw cnn and the Washington Post and New York Times for continuing to in this day for what happened in 2020 but im really glad i was able to not completely lose what i wanted to tell. I really believe that the strongest parts of the book are when im interviewing other people. Ng its really the strongest parts of the book because im just a random guy popping in and out of these places but i done deal life and consequences of this. Youre more than a ron dam guy. You didnt random guy. You didnt want to be part of the story but you were. The become fiery and chronicling all of the ryeons and not just b will recollect m. Theres a few in 2020. By the way, i have an autographed and personalized copy of the book. Im sure for premium youll sell that to our locals members; right, hulick yo . Iv you kind of extorted me to give you one. I really d. Theres a reason why i got sent a bunch of copies and i was happy to do it. I go into the office and julio goes a got an autophotographic book for you. I got it and it just said julio. Just your name. Ag i was like, f you. Personalize it. I want a mesosang. Only 50 copies with a signed signature. I got it eventually. That is absolutely true. Ly thank you for cowel calling me out on that. It was an ugly scene in the office that day. Andrew brightbart said to me every story was a media story and hes right. Times you dont know what the immediate jaire story is and it develops and the think the eye yachts specifically the george floyd rye yours trulies quinning that memorial day coming up on two weeks and the moment it became a media story is what youve memorialized on the cover of your book and the chicago of minneapolis said fiery but mostly peaceful protest. That was kenosha. Oh, sorry, that was kenosha. I thought that was chicago. You cant be spreading false information. Sorry. That sped it up. You were witnessing the whole melee with Kyle Rittenhouse and rich issue mcginness. I shouldnt say witnessing because you didnt witness the actual Kyle Rittenhouse shoot. Yeah, i did. Synergy home o, yeah. Why you read the book . Geez, larry, you need to read the book. Thank you for correcting me because kenosha, get to kenosha in a minute because minneapolis is the original gorge floyd, i remember having you on the show the day after the, first protes; right. Yeah. You were very accurate and deliberate and went out of your way saying listen, theres peoplee protesting the homicide. We knew for a fact it was a hods but didnt know if it was a kalamazoo criminal act and we know they convicted to pick up the protest the homicide of george floyd and during the day, they were marching and chanting and protesting and i so vividly remember this interview saying the sun started going down and a new group of people showed up. Thats right. Lay that out because its such an important part of this story. Yeah, i got to minneapolis and they set fire to some building surrounding the precinct and thats where they were based out of. I get down there and it was, unlike anything ive ever seen and ive been so used to protests not affecting the blocks. This was open. Places were either closed or they were being actively looted. So i get there and across the street from the third precinct, theres ait strip mall with tart and cub foods and like a Grocery Store chain out there. Several Small Businesses in the strip club. By that time, theres no fear. We hold up in the hotel. Were Walking Around nonchalant taking photos and videos and people were outdoor ovthat third precinct. They were upset and very vulgar and they would shout f you and play nwa at the police. The emotions were high and they didnt do anything though. They were peaceful. The reason why it was so distinct with making the different between members of the community and generally theyre older andet hoeing up afterway through the day and theyre pushing people and i republican sitting down and trying to collect my thoughts and coordinate my thoughts and i was on thehe phone for a solid 25 20tafanely 10 minutes and ultimately what the surgical mass and it was a stark difference not paying attention for that short amount of time. That was the night that because they had breeched the areas and the defensive positions were incredible and the mayor hit the pride and ordered for them to evacuate and and we get to American City and they get kicked out. This was still like early. This is like may 30th if web your correct limit scoot right ball on the 29th. Which leads us to julio getting shot. This is where you started seeing this very distinctive prints and if i remember right i dont want to skip over you getting shot because i remember a that. Thats all there is to it. State proper popped me with a rubber bullet and i was like, okay. Were you aware it could have happened in no, they were both in the street, they were in the road, the rioters and the cops and the cops were butting away from the resistance and when they met some, they had to avoid getting stopped with the crowd control munitions and i placed myself off in the sidewalk thinking i had pride prudential and i thought thought i should be good. I get a little frist ratted with that because i was actively talking about it and they were shooting the crowd and i didnt have body armor and ill try to be smart and get off to the side but whatever. I remember you tweeting out the bruise that it made. Did you tweet or text it . I tweet it had and called storm after it happened but eric tweetedd it. Storm is our managing editor at town hall. I remember all of us having, i dont know if you were in on it with a groupwe text like we goto get him out of there. And the store said dude, he will kill me if we pull him out of there. If i was told to leave the city, id have been like whats that . I cant hear you. L we were afraid julio was going to get killed. Almost because as much as it hurt and sucks. It was it wasnt a life threatening moment. I understand. But were here were a family andh communities that love and respect each other like a family and were a company with continues continues to our employees. Storms response was brilliant. I dont want him to get shot and die but if we dont pull him out of there, hes going to get killed. One of us is going to die. The point to develop and some of it by the time kenosha happened, and obviously were skipping over the washington dc riots, that are critically important but i think stuff i want to set them aside and i relate the moment you got to kenosha, it was a very different scene. No Church Groups hanging out in kenosha right now. No, thats one of the things sothat makes kenosha so aggravating thinking about the after action report kind of on it because Kansas City Chiefs anyway supra aural headphones has like 100,000 people and sandwiched between milwaukee and chicago and the officer who shot jacob blake, he justified in ensuring him and he was arabledd and the kidnapping the two kids from the mother with a protective order against jacob blake. Not even a close call. Yeah. Its not like the officers were just rolling by and said were gone 2345 try to take this guy in for no reason. Looking at the kit owe la that went viral and it was like a 10 second video and i thought that looks back and how this evolves but because were in this summer of rage and chaos. All cops murder the 100 black men per day and theres no other possible way. Were month two, three into continuous unrest and somewhere in the country something was happening. Okay, understandably riots broke out that very night and i understand the First National championships riot and the first flight out of dc to milwaukee. I love that, i missed the first night of rye the yos. Its understandable why the smaller town that kenosha is, theyre not going to be ready to handle the riots. The problem is that the Governor Tony Evers and National Gate georgia guard got there them the fault as time went on, the fault of these riots getting out of hand and being worse than they could have worse than they probably should have been is just ed in the democratic justified in the democratic stronghold and cracking down on Peaceful Protesters and playing in the political aspect into the Decision Making and inted of locking at the National Hall and and here in idaho. Lies matter. That could happen anywhere. The uprising there. Kenosha really did disprove that and especially with wisconsin being right into the elbow and leadership should have been better prepared this is a democratic governor of the state and important to the president and allr happened in the year of a p president ial election. A president ial election involving donald trump and if it was chaos on the street and you coulde enflame Race Relations n the country, that ends up hurting donald trump. If can help the party if it helps t get rid of trump. The kenosha riots happened athe week after the dnc and wek of the rnc. It was i remember when some of the night of the shooting was informer synergy home and the democrats are responding to the rnc speeching tonight but theyre rioting but kenosha didnt have to be as bad as it was from my perspective and foro a multitude of reasons and look what happens. When theres that power vacuum, yeah, 17, 18 yearolds are building with being worn and theres a lot of work and leaving right next to where the businesses were being burned and people going into the neighborhood and no one was killed and most people were killed and family pets were burned alive when that happened. Despicable. I interviewed theke former governor of wisconsin and all this time it was going on and the man that was in wandering for the National Guard and day one its a dereliction of duty. This governor is a horrible and being generous and down on the line. I would accept that and i think the definitive book of 2020 and the riots and mostly peaceful and julio has a question from our book club jeff who asked if there was a first book. In answering in and explain and in 1996. Over the hill, my friend. Over the hill. Lets move to seattle because i actually think of all of these things. Seat 18 my favorite part of the story because it literally had absolutely nothing to do with theoi stories or narratives goig on in the midwest or in dc or anywhere. But suddenly seattle decides theres anarchy and in response to minneapolis, seattle creates own little kingdom, the chaz. Yeah, so or am i wrong. Any little incident that happened in seattle . Nothing happened. He theyre pointed to previous what they call police misconduct. But portland did the same thing too and pointe old cases and happened in 2012, 2015. It was all the of what happened in minneapolis. Barack obama was president then and no reason for that. Na lets be clear. When i pitched to go to seattle and the idea of going there and going okay and down on the line and i guess thats it and was still going and town hall proved me to go and the night before my flight, thats when the mayor said were pulling our officers out of the east precinct. Literally retreating. Yeah, soy thought oh, i think i wasted Company Money because theres not going to be any riots but if theyre leaving the precinct, are they going to burt it down . Whats going on. Youre leaving and going down early in the isa. This is capitol hill that is a neighborhood and the top free zone and our territory for now. Are the police going to move back in or go up state . Whats going to happen . Considering your coverage of the border crossings and it is ypretty lovely that the progressives there when they were determining their autonomous zone in seattle actually built recorder walls around it. They were arguing with the department of transportation in seattle and ped to take away some of the barriers and they said no, no, no, we need the barriers and said why . To keep out white stem cysts and i dont think supremacists and i dont think seat 18 really known for those. I thinkou those guys are the least of your worries. No, they were saying we need Strong Border security to keep out threats. So theres a lot of irony within chaz even in that first week and i knew just being there and taking in the sights and seeing how people were interacting with each other, i knew this was not going to end well. This was going to be more unnecessary harm and theyve proven correct the latest prayer thing andhi racial reckoning and they needed to happen and all this other stuff. Youve seen that episode of south park where the hippies take over at a music festival. It was kind of like that and ion felt like cartman warning everybody lining saying dont let them get a foot hole or theyll take it. Cartman is kind of your petronis, isnt he . In that instance, yes. He was my clairvoyant. At what point did you become aware that you were recognized and sort of on peoples list . They started because at the beginning, you had the press credentials and youre a latino so youre a minority and cant be a a white supremacist and you were dressed like you were with the cool kids; right . At some point thats not coming. First time i got recognized was my last day at chaz because i didnt anticipate, put on the same shirt and the shirt im wearing right now. I wore the shirt on Laura Ingrams show a couple days prior and im wearing the show again and this guy comes up to me and said, werent you just on fox news and im like uh no. I dont watch fox news. Why are you watching fox news . Youre a narc. I walk away and thought i lost him in the crowd and he finds me two minutes later with the Youtube Video saying this is you, youre wearing the same aim shirt and i was like just concerned he was going to say we hihave a that was like the first time i was recognized and i really realized that, okay, if we continue doing this route, well put my name and face out there. Takes more extra steps to kind of conceal everything. Following that and obviously i got off easy in that case, i did take steps to really make sure that no one to blend in more watching in each of those cases and there was there were pro blm and he said twitter accounts and they had screen shot it with my pro file or seen shotted my tweets saying theres a right wing fascist across the state the blm protest. Be on the lookout for him. Obviously that was targeting you. Did you ever feel did you feel targeted on the ground . Was there a time on the street where you were doing your job and felt like they were coming for you . Ited ad stress for sure because now i have to be extra careful and make sure no one is following me, no one is tailing me or really make sure i took steps to hide my identity by wearing a face covering. Thank goodness for covid for that. In a round about way i guess. But it was added stress. It was a stressful situation and worrying about cops shooting at you again. Theyre worried about whether or not i get discovered. Never followed me. But they definitely made efforts. Chaz played out, you captured footage of people but dont do a whole lot of going up in front asking questions and draw out in front of these people and what they were doing and that question is one thats one of the biggest underreported stories of that year. So eastiest thing to do, as easiest thing to do and talking to people and getting opinions,fo unfortunately sympathizing for where i work and a lot of people think im on the wrong side but in my experience it was just that they wont talk to you or they might talk to you but then send you nits a situation where theres no cops around like chaz. How to go about it. But you my question the second question is while you were coviding those things, when you looked to your right and left, you didnt see Dan Sebastian or anyone from theab major cablein networks coveringn thing, and it was a huge story. There was literally a takeover of a part of major city in america. And but even though it was on the media, especially if you were very noticeable as the media guy and producer or whatever. Ro they still provide cover for it. I list examples in the book where rolling stone, usa today and theyre saying oh, yeah, its like an impromptu burning man and carnival and it wasnt mog,in disu and mogudisu andi wouldnt say it and its clearly. Even during some parts during the day, it wasnt safe. Depending on who was in the zone, depending on, theres a lot of fluid situations. Your coverage was very reminiscent of their movement in 2012. In 2011 for the time and you know Andrew Brightbart was very focused on the combined effect fioed move. All of the mayhem and criminallalty and horrible behavior that happened there. And get toove back Lafayette Square in dc and not traveling to the part. I have vivid memories every day and they can flair up and say are you there and can you come on the radio and half the time can you say nows not a good time. I assumed theyre exploding next to you. Ed lafayette scare, i wasnt there when they Lafayette Square, i wasnt there and the whole controversyment again, it was just more of the same where people were doing these mass criminal activities and soon as the cops come out and make them stop, they start crying about Police Brutality and are you guys whats it take. The movement at large so oftentimes they cy see the deal lmand accounts and theyll keepn the phrase by posting a photo and random wall sprayed with a cab and all cops are bastards or x12 or the other stuff. All this stuff and this is the idea of the evolution and okay, put me on g the block. Theyll come for that. That brings me to chapter 5 and the hit 18 its property there for insurance and i heard from my own daughter who was sort of the pressure is on college kids they have to be done with it and university of idaho roommates, theyre bad and protesters are righteous and i said these are Small Business owners and this could be your grandparent and my daughters grandparent owns a Small Business and this is their livelihood. This is their life its combined with malicious evil frankly and infects that kind of mentality and you address it here and got to witness peoples lives destroyed. I heard it all the time. Every single time i would talk about in a Small Business and there was always somebody saying at least they werentt killed y cops or and what about it. That has placed it. Am i concerned about target going out of business . No. Theyre going to be fine. Doesnt make it right but you raise your prices and the products with the low income people pieing stuff at target and they raise prices to make up for the looting and theft. Theres an inflation problem right now and this is part of that inflation problem. Go ahead, im sorry. Well, exactly. Theres reverberations from this and especially when Small Businesses are being attacked and theyre already crushed by the nonsensical covid19 lockdown. Theyre already losing out on that and so recovering or take ago long time to recover and if the inventory is looted or the building got destroyed and caught on fire by somebody and this idea turning into other peeps things and a lotted of people dont and as i found out, i will have people and Business Owners and that requires them for a core picture and and understand why he insures themselves for that. Why a Small Business in kenosha, wisconsin, look at that and say is t it worth the extra money. Inou in kenosha wisconsin. Right, the free man going spy high for that kind of thing. Its not because people are ignorant saying were not gob that get the insurance. No, its another added cost that they may or may not be able to afford. So even if okay, they all have insurance, youre still at the end of the day, victimizing people that had nothing to do with what are happened or whatever Police Action that caused the riot in the first place. Smuggling thornhill tore is whats so poisonous about the Racial Justice movement and the ends justify the means so we dont care who gets hurt in the process because in order for us to defund the police, thats their goal or abolish the police like in minneapolis or seattle. Youre hurting innocent people. Listen, before i make anyone think that my daughter is completely immoral, we were engaged in a no one thinks that. Honestly, all hi to say to her was youve got car insurance, whats the opinion of the person that purposely tbones you and gets out and walks away saying you have insurance and have no beef with me. I get it she said. We need to engage in the shallow immoral arguments that fed into young people because they think theyre making a point. Theyre not. Thats where the grownup haves to enter into the room. Not you, julio, youre not a grownup. Youre only 26, you asshole. I hated an hour to get to the hottest topic of them all and that was january 6. You were there and san everything on january 6. Tell me and you cover the rally first and by the time you got to the capitol, was it already breeched in nott breeched but it was fine and peace and feel nothing was happening. Trying to up load v videos and pictures to twitter but a lot of people were there, the cell phone coverage was not great. I waked up to the lighthouse and get better signal and data and then i couldnt even text. Aa friend of mine was going to the capitol. Lengthy water and on me knowing that and i had anticipated the evening to go in a similar direction like the previous ones and duking it out at night and thats whyives expecting that and i had that on me and i wasnt going to have enough time to go back home and grab it and come back. Thatrt was a smart decision i me that day. So the metro to the station and the white house. Or metro center. Get either way. Not much of the white house. It was on the blue line. Hold on, you took the metro one mile . Well, because again, im having all this gear on. Youve not a marine anymore. Ruck that shit, marine. I was trying to get there on time because itll take awhile. Youre onh a deadline. I wasnt expecting it because people h were leaving and speakg about it. T destroying me in the commet its a hobby in the Town Hall Office and he was a super star. Leave me alone. Go ahead. Well, and soives walking back and people are going and the best way to get there and its myself and getting from the west to Capitol South, its a nice job. Metro senter and china town. Okay, three stops. Its like four hawaii are you talking about . Order it now. Dont call me fake news, theres a blue line to what, Capitol South Capitol South going through fair gate west and its three stops atha most fr capitol center. It is not three stops. As god as my witness, its not three stops. Go ahead, im pulling up the map, you go ahead. Okay. I knew something was wrong getting out of metro station four stops later at Capitol South. Because when i got i out of the station, cops were blocking off the road that leads right directly to the Capitol Building where its over by like long worth and the cannon office. A i had to cut back around and went up through the ray burn house and thats closer to the western side of theca Capitol Building. As soon as i find i was getting closer and could hear people screaming and yelling and hooting and hollering. I heard the sound of metal banging and i was like, okay, this is what is happening. Distance wise you went abouta mile. Now to the other side of the ball and then across but youre right. I have linked the map to the washington metro and you had would have been better off taking the red line to Union Station and walking the north side of the capital thats okay. Thats what i would have done what do i know . It was a hectic day. Heres my question. Okay, summarize it. It was the weirdest riot ever, it was really weird. Put a pin on that. Did you witness oumembers of the rioters, lets call them for now. Did you witness them breaching Police Barricades were a police line west and mark you did. And the people who were breaching that police line, two questions. First one. Youve seen these riots for months now literally for seven months youve been covering these things in other cities what was the police complement at the barricade january 6 compared to what you saw inkenosha, in wisconsin , even Lafayette Square monthsbefore because you tell me, what was the policecomplement . Were they properly set up for what happened . No, absolutely not. I went to say kenosha, it could nothave been completely avoided but the damage could certainly have been nice. I believe january 6 could have been largely avoided at least in terms of the capital being breached. But the cops were not in line here. The sound of the messaging thing that i heard was east easily movable racks that they had to set up. So they were not prepared for it and again, its just like why . Because were coming off of, we just went through 2020. People were very upset at the election results. And everybody knew there was going to be a convergence of interests that they that would have led to disruption. Capitol hill staffers and told me they were getting worried. There were debates about whether they should go into the capital and work remotely so they were thinking, why was the Capital Police and in Washington Police socaught offguard . That moments my next on question is a bit of speculation i know you well enough pto know you prefer not to speculate. But this is a educated opinion that youre going to bring here. Are you looking at the map right now . I can neither confirm nor deny. You put your glasses on. So i think this is going to be an educated opinion that youre going to give me what it cant really be proven. The people breaching those Police Barricades when you witnessedthe first line , and we both agree the police did not have substantial and adequate presence, but at the same time tthe fault goes to the people, the police defined the parameter and whether they were equipped to protect that parameter or not you respect the police that day. If the police say dont cross this line that you cross the line you are at fault. My question is based on your opinion those people who first pushed past that police line, who were they often mark how were they affiliated . Do they look like the same people at theb the peaceful rally . It looks like and he thought that you saw in kenosha, was it some weird proudboys contingent, what do you think . It was largely from supporters and the reason i say that is because i know people were claiming antifa at the beginning. Thats why theyre part of this and are communist commune. Theyre not great at a lot of things. However, they are good at writing. They were able to do it so often over and over repeatedly. But its because they are very very disciplined in hiding their identity. They will not be caught dead taking, if theyre going to do a false flag theyre not going to be caught dead covering their identities o. A lot of people in the crowds were nonchalant about covid. The didnt even wear face coverings. And you know, potentially because people were easily identifiable. You even have people using their personal social media accounts Live Streaming themselves going into the capital and ashley that it was liketweeting when she was doing that. A lot of people were easily identifiable because there were cameras everywhere. Its important and i get it i knew the answer because i asked you a week after that you gave me the same answer its important for everybody because listen, people have been held at this point for a year and a half, its a miscarriage ofjustice. What happened on january 6 was bad frankly whats happening with the Justice Department after january 6 is worse but that doesnt mean there isnt some blame to be absorbed Trump Supporters who did in fact break the law and disrupt Police Activity that day. And i wish they hadntdone it because it was wrong. Obviously if youre going to break into the Capital Building in a way that a lot of people did, now theres one entrance where the police didnt irritated the doors. Literally rolled out the red carpet over there. Thats weird, why would you do that but a lot of people who went in that way probably there were other people who were willing to break in the windows so obviously if youre going to do that and not be successful , yeah, the government is going to come down hard on you. Thats not to say its justified or denied due process which has happened in some cases with some of the defendantsbut also to say that to happen. Our government as good as it can be a lot of times can also be very verybad. Finish your thought, go ahead. And in the book i talk about the difference because justice should be equal. People who do wrong should be n held accountable thats why its frustrating when you have a federal courthouse that was attacked for a month straight in portland at the few people that were arrested a lot of them have their cases robbed. They were talking, where not n talking about trespassing which a lot of people have been chargedwith. Were talking about going in federal coffers with a gun, one had a seaport. Larson, vandalism. And they get let go so of course that was probably another thing where some in the crowd probably thought blm and antifa can write it willynilly that therefore we can also take action, direct action and not face any consequences. Rules for radicals. Violence begets violence. Its been a good 20 minutes and i held it up so ill doit again. Published by our friends at daily wire book, how do you prefer people like this . Amazon is great for ego because josie the list isnt it better to buy it at daily wire in terms of growing just bezos. They can buy it at walmart, books a million, any place books are sold. Your garage. I told you, i dont have any more copies. Thats right and you certainly dont have any personalized one of a kind. There is. Center copies that ill be selling on ebay. Was there a clear sense that these riots were for the cameras or were their true thbelievers mark there could be true believersand it could be for the cameras. Did the activity occur because the cnn live shot was there where didlive shot go where riots were . I dont think it was necessarily for the cameras. I really do think a lot of this was actionbecause they wanted to do something in the moment. It all depends because again, if youre going to take a violent action especially against Law Enforcement or whatever, on camera you better be sure that you are not linked to the evil to get caught afterwards because youre being caught on camera doing a criminal activity so thats why antifa will chase you out or destroy your camera equipment because they dont want to be quite afterwards. Its a slam dunk case. It just depends. A lot of ypeople, they would have done it regardless. Like i said, they post on social media themselves, they were doing instagram life and all this other stuff. Your second to last chapter i do love the after chapterby the way. Its great military call back there. Its sort of what i love about a lot of what we do in town hall and try to he accomplish which is yes, we complain, yes count how long the table butwe want to say what can we learn from this . What do we do lean forward so i do appreciate that aspect of the book but before we get to that, antifa is a myth, is the second to last chapter. Thats a quote not just from a congressman the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee , jerry nadler. Antifa is the next. Joe biden said antifa is just an idea, not an organization. The director of the fbi basically said the same thing. You spent a year with antifa. Tell me about this, the idea that its just an idea or that its a mess. Its a right wing bogeyman thats up there and antifa doesnt exist. Its a stupid idea that its a mess. Its so were the democratic party, the placate and run cover for this group of people that he then like, antifa are radicals, there far left, its an anarchy and an communist ideology but they use the democratic apology party like they want to overthrow the government and this is not markers or wannabe revolutionaries but thats what they believe. And so why would they want to again, just provide cover for this group that would just as happily put them up against the wall . So i dont know why but then when you do they say its just a myth, its not really a thing i can tell you antifa is very much a thing. The that chapter is the shortest chapter almost on purpose because it doesnt take a dissertation. Its not even worth ofall explanation. Antifa is real. They go by different names, different groups but they all operate and so therefore, thats all there is to it. Its as simple as that. Its real, evil saying its not real or just or just dumb were lying. By the way, youve been covering a bit of whats going on on the border and this is not about the book is about you and what you do ndand what your passion is. Ive always had a soft spot, i think about from andrew part, a soft spot for members of minorities, racial minorities, ethnic minorities dont march along as their full. And they actually, like you look at the reality of the situation in this country and objectively at it not through the lens of race fact and fiction. The reason i have a soft spot for people like you and carrie davis and others is you there the brunt of the worst kind of attack because you are a traitor r and id love for you to discuss the challenges you had as a latin american, Latino American covering the border crisis from the perspective that you have, from all law and order perspective. Its not so much a challenge. The problem with the reality of the situation whether its at the border which is a different version of all this were a very inyourface version of all of this is all being done minorities or Racial Justice or immigration justice or what have you. When you look at the border crisis, were trying to do the more the humane way of immigration, no its not because when you encourage people to come more people will themselves in the hands of cartels and human traffickers who rate, who assault and rob these people and all hostage and killed them. Who cares if you kill your customers cause theres going to be one more the next day on the flipside with the riots this is being done as a racial reckoning and the friots are the voiceof the on her. And how can you say that this is justice a lot of people especially in south minneapolis are minorities, minority owned businesses. Whos getting damaged here . The writers in los angeles, there werent too many riots did break out shortly but the rioters have learned their lesson from 92 instead of burning down lesouth central that went to islamic places and the richer places like that area because they know elwe were down on the we will be. They are throws in a. They learned their lesson from 92. Which i thought was kind of funny. Which was also before i was born. The whole four years. But no, but you know what im saying. We view everything through a racial lens and thats why when the shooting happened and you view it through this blm lands, makes sense the tissue are black people for no reason. That yes, thats life there justifying taking violent action against weber and rampage through the streets and thats not a healthy way of looking at things. But the irony is physically the border issue being a racist issue, and ethnic issue, and antilatino issue is i learned this from your report. The majority of Border Agents are Latin Americans. There is static. They are the ones who have to bear the front of this. The ones indanger because of this, the ones being attacked the most of these policies and you see the women and children exploited in the most devastating and violent ways living in poor conditions on the border in the shelter. If you care about the life of you would want to call all these policies because its Latin Americans suffering the most because of the because most of your sources from the orbital im guessing our latin american aesthetic officers who are saying you got to get this out is no ones reporting. I will reveal my sources but i will say your broader point was correct. And also who suffers the most, its mexicans on the mexican side of the border because its their time to take care of these people coming down thousands. Its all, it doesnt make sense. Just because they say its being done in the name of Racial Justice,that doesnt make it so. As usual everybody can tell when i have someone that i like im done because i got to the early. And we gone to celeste in but sadly we only scratched the surface. Theres a lot in here. Nobody else has his story, 20 20 was a huge year but this probably was the most consequential chain of events. It was the blm tests of 20 20 , the 20 20 riots and gas lighting of america. Julio, congratulations on your book and your great recording. You for not just writing this but thank you for reporting the truth and speaking the truth no matter where it takes you. We are proud to have you as part of our family thetown hall. That you for having me. Recently the shift was on index shes chronicled the lives of cleopatra, Benjamin Franklinand others. During her appearance she recounted the salem witch trials, Benjamin Franklins life in paris and discussed as both of samuel adams. I want to be a quote from your book b. Americas tiny rain terror , salem represents one of the rare moments in our past when the candles are knocked out and everyone seems to be growing the dark. The place where all the stories begin easy to caricature it is the only travesty acquired on an unrelated holiday it is more difficult to comprehend. What happened . Which end would you like me to start with . I think colleen needs to be our theme today. What happened is early in 1692, in january two little girls, 19 111 began to exhibit ride and yell and shudder and are ultimately paralyzed and unable to speak and start speaking in what appears to be nonsensical terms. And throwing themselves into fireplaces and falling down a wet well and no one can quite figure out what these things are meant to convey medicine in 1592 massachusetts was credit although these were not epileptic systems. But there had been a few years earlier outbreak of witchcraft which had been very well described by new england in her bestselling book those symptoms these were identical. So fairly soon thereafter, no one rushes to an immediate diagnosis but several weeks after these girls begin to exhibit these signs have spread to our household eight minus this witchcraft and this is in the house in mister difficult for people to comprehend but its important that its in the household of theminister. He would have felt more on display as the ministers daughter and once the diagnosis of witchcraft is suggested, then obviously a which is sought out sometime in the subsequent weeks three women are named as suspects. That january to february 1692. Very quickly those three women are deposed. Two of them say they have no idea, their innocence and itsobviously not of their doing. One is a local beggar woman was known for coming by peoples houses. Thatssarah good, exactly. And being quite unpleasant with them that they didnt give her what she wanted. Even turned out other peoples houses because they heard was going to burn out there are far. Shes married but on lousy terms with her husband. She has a small child with her and shes recently paid a visit to the girls to terrify them. The second is Sarah Osborne who was a very legit litigious woman who had been spinning allwheel for some time it had made her somewhat unwelcome in the Community Third and we dont have an explanation for why the woman isnt name is probably the only indian in the ministers household who would have known these girls intimately. List with these girls and even slept in the same room