Sets a standard in cant create jobs were workers to of least 10. 10 an hour worth of work. Then maybe in a modern economy there are not jobs that need to be created. Dont know. If i could address, you are exactly right. That is what we mean. Businesses are destroyed. If the business cant afford to pay any more they can raise their prices. His true and some markets. So job destruction and company destruction go handinhand. This is never created. The harder it is to start a business with your are created. And destroying jobs that are never created, if you want to think of it that way to while a little bit of a contradiction in terms, with the regulation, every federal regulators for as low 150 jobs a year. So if you want prosperity, and i think thats what were talking about, prosperity, you get rid of the regulations and the private sector can create jobs and you want have those businesses. Yuma businesses that will be. Last question, you can have a legally mandated federal wage, higher taxes, higher medicare taxes. And as a question i want to ask. Why cant to adults sit down and negotiate a wage. To adults with heavy Bargaining Power can do that. Two of those that dont have people were in power, its more likely that one will take a advantage of the other. Parks unfortunately. From minutes overtime. Are think the ryan show new minimum wage destroys jobs. The jobs there and was likely to destroy to even a small increase, the disadvantaged workers that can least afford. In i think the solution to onion Bargaining PowerCommission Income inequality is to allow mccourt to work. So the u. S. Became the wealthiest country in the world. We were free. And so instead of squashing businesses and keeping people of the marketplace what we did is we let everybody work, and they negotiated their own wage which in some cases was very low. But at least they got their foot in the door and got a chance to show the employer, just like a desert of some unwanted to do with me if they want to have a better world, and i think its a were talking about, the solution is not a Marriage Party regulation. Everybody has a chance to realize the american dream. Thank you. [applause] thank you. Of perry. What are think hashana isnt the institutional structure that generated equitably shared prosperity, and part of hon is because the real value of the minimum wage has been allowed to fall. No, a modest of course. It was keeping the party polite. A modest increase in the minimum wage is an intervention in a reasonable part of a sensible strategy to restore this and equitably shared prosperity. It is just part of what we can do, and it will have some impact in making the prosperity, the equitable share dollars. We used to have. A show of hands how many things have won the debate today please somebody raise your hand. Sherry of fairness. I see two, three. Okay. How many believe mary won the debate today . Mary won the debate. No, how many of you changed your mind during the course of the last 50 minutes . One there, too,. Thank you for participating in this debate. Please welcome back. [applause] thank you for the panel. A wonderful program, as we knew we would be. We appreciate it very much. We have a couple of minutes for folks to wonder on and from other things, and then are going to have a fascinating conversation with p. J. Orourke and john allison moderated by alexander and the copland on the topic her, who will save us from the government. I hope between those three people one of them has an answer anyway, we will get the start and a couple of minutes. In the meanti [inaudible conversations] good morning everybody will come to recession we are in for a treat. We have to of others with us this morning the have vast experience in the world of politics so our conversation today about the future of politics in the future could not happen to better informed contributors. We will talk for about 40 minutes then invite you to ask questions. Baja i hope as you listen you are thinking of in the session. We will start with al from. The founder of Democratic Leadership Council february february 2010 New York Times magazine called the group under his leadership one of the most to important think tanks in history. I told this is better than when i came up with so bear with me and what of the two most influential think tanks in history that shape political thought at the end of the broadcast a gnp deflator, a role the election of bill clinton and served as domestic policy adviser to the clinton transition and was executive director of the House Democratic caucus served as carters white house and was staff director of the subcommittee on intergovernmental relations and lives in annapolis mayor lynn to and his book you may purchase after weve finished. It is also my privilege and honor to introduce governor Robert Erlich. As senior counsel and Public Policy group where he advises clients on policy it matters in interactions the federal government and served as the first republican governor in 36 years Steve Mckinney republican u. S. Served as governor and also to be served as a congressman it and author the Chesapeake Bay restoration act. Calling the most important buyer mental achievement in 20 years. He also created the first Cabinet Level Department disability they keep a ward about highest secretary of health and Human Services award. He served four terms of the house and also served in the maryland house of delegates and 86394 representing baltimore county. The we will begin with the overview of the books and start with mr. Al from. I do remember it another republican governor but we will not mention that [laughter] fastforward june 2000 in berlin leaders of countries with the centerleft governments led by bill clinton and tony blair resigned if progressive declaration to define their common themes for a government that was opportunity and responsibility and Community Something we heard many times from bill clinton. President clinton and was completing his second successful term as president with a new democrat philosophy was modernizing progressive politics all over the world. I daresay we saved a progressive politics because my book tells the story of that political journey from the wilderness in 1980 that lead to politics to most countries of the democratic world. I rode it to in part because political memories are short of aircraft control the white house but just one quarter century ago the situation was reversed. In the 1980s we have three president ial elections. The democrats want a smaller percentage of Electoral College votes in those three elections than any party has ever won in three consecutive american induction since the beginning of modern party is a 1848. It is not a stretch to say the Democratic Party battle made out of party but out of touch and out of ideas. The new democrats were political resurgence in their own party. A number of vehicle was said to her credit Leadership Council that i founded in 1985 after we lost 49 states for the second time in four elections. As clinton wrote in the foreword to my book when we began we ran a very popular. That was an understatement but Party Leaders tried to shut us down but we were determined. Reread the details in my book in a few minutes but i do want to talk about the highlights. The new Democrat Movement was an idea and that is the second reason i wrote this book. I believe ideas in Politics Today with social media and cable news those ideas are just too underappreciated. We believed the intellectual resurgence of the Democratic Party had to proceed is political resurgence. You could start to run candidates all you want but if the party was on standing for things people wanted to support, people would not vote for it to. Think about the 1988 election when democrats thought they would win and the party image helped to bring down mike dukakis. 2012 with the fundamentals of favored mitt romney but the image of the Republican Party pulled to the right in the primaries with issues like immigration, that cost the election in 2012 mitt romney you blind the same percentage of hispanic votes bush won in 20 2004 he would be in the white house but his party pulled him down. Our strategy was to shape a political message that someone could run for president. And not only that when he won could govern. Of our goal was not to accommodate we did not what to be a acceptable to Party Leaders but win and we knew along the way we would lose some of our friends that will lead disagree with us and falloff the reservation but that was a necessary price to pay because our challenge was not unify the party he had every Interest Party behind him but our challenge was to expand its. Because he could not prevail we had to build their own Playing Field to have her own home builder advantage. With a new generation of leaders that included bill clinton and Al Gore Joe Biden was young once. [laughter] a bunch of new leaders who developed the idea is to challenge the Party Orthodoxy and organizer own forum said conferences around the country and the first four years we became a Political Force but what really gave us the impetus was that landslide loss three expected to win 1988. After that we really became an Unstoppable Force in 89 i travel to little rock arkansas to ask a young governor to become chairman of the dnc had to deal for him and if he would become chairman we would pay for his travel around the country and shape the agenda that i thought of a democrat could win the white house on and he would be president some day we would both be important and bill clinton took the deal. We immediately embarked on a four part strategy and if you think about where republicans are today you may think about the strategy. [laughter] and nt strategic advice from the opposition. [laughter] i like to give it but it is good for the country. First i call a reality therapy. Me tell like it was when you lose elections people say it is because our candidate was terrible or they had better media. All of a sudden we find a candidate and sweep the victory. But when you constantly the news over 40 states not to seek says one is badly loss 31 was elected president one time. The problem was really losing the people who played by the pools and the people you need to have and we pointed that out in graphic detail. So graphic that when the professor at the time presented it at a conference in philadelphia the reverend jackson referred to us as warm spit. That was the first thing to except the political context so the Political Press at least would say they have a purpose. And evaded a lot harder when the reality was on that table for the regulars to say we will be fine. Second, we laid out her own philosophy. Incidentally those to vote you can see my vote called the new orleans declaration but it was a very simple 20 sentence document that said that we believe the promise of america private sector growth is important for democrats the key to opportunity and to on a and on people have an obligation is to give Something Back to the country. 20 years later at hyde park have president Roosevelt Library putin said the new declaration was the key to his success to give him a platform and a framework for everything he did and he tied every accomplishment back to the new orleans declaration. The third was for the governing agenda so we went to over 25 states traveling the country not raising money or doing serious political organizing but talking about ideas that was important. Governor Robert Erlich i dont think they do quite as well as president s but everybody now thinks now. [laughter] but clinton and just did a book signing for me and just thing to me for putting him in office. [laughter] but we certainly didnt have air force one but by people of the traveling party and we caught on anything we could and sometimes we were treated not like this would be the president of United States rewritten in North Carolina dash and we had flown into raleigh and other North Carolina was playing university of kentucky in basketball so clinton wanted to go to the cave so we went in the state police told us to park our car next to the entrance that we watch them beat kentucky and when we got out the Campus Police had towed the car. So fortuna halfhours the next president was sitting at the Police Station in chapel hill trying to get his car back. But the one we will never forget it. The reds day. [laughter] probably the most heroin was the flight between denver and shy and wyoming. It was april but we had of blizzard we had four seats with five people one person had to sit on the john and the only thing we had have was to pilots we didnt have to have seized the we had to have pilots. [laughter] so what we thought were clouds were snowcovered mountaintops i knew we rich in trouble with bill take tough the phone to call hillary and tell her how much he loved her. [laughter] but luckily we made it and some of these things are important because wyoming had an early caucus and to the secretary of state which is the equivalent of the returning governor the caucus was held in the basement and was clintons first major win in the 92 election so he probably thought the Airline Flight was worth it. At its cleveland where relate out the agenda, we were not very popular with democratic Interest Groups the host, the senator created all whole Different Group called the coalition for Democratic Values the woke up to having Jesse Jackson protesting the teachers unions who were out complaining because we were for charter schools. The uaw was leaf letting somebody members of congress they didnt want to have a ticket because we were for nafta and we got through it all and that the and we had done two things. Outlined a political philosophy which the of the mob responsibility and Community Input into the lexicon national service, welfare reform, and debt Growth Strategy based on fiscal discipline investment with people with technology and trade and reinventing government. The fourth part was the market test because id like the parliamentary system you dont decide what you stand for you stand for what the president stands for so bill clinton resigns and went in and become the chapter and verse how we won that will give you three or four days the you might not know about that are significant. One is july 14, 1987, the day clinton decided not to run in 1988. That is a big deal because he may have been elected but the survey would not have worked with the dlc. He decided that day he would not run. I was in mississippi giving a speech was supposed to meet with the former governor and he canceled because he was going to little rock to once the clinton campaigns one was surprised when did in Cincinnati Press calls for asking why clinton dropped out the best thing that ever happened to make and probably to him the second to was december 1980 it is not clear if horse who would be the candidate most people thought sam nunn would be the candidate. Bruce was Vice President of chief of staff and also wrote a memo suggesting to clinton that they do a ticket and they both thought they had to be on the top. But what happened . We sat down and the entire room and decided to the woods bin to five months to shape the agenda but then hast to me that chair realistic. If anything happened on the way to the ranch. But clinton made well got all of his legislative staff done in four days and as a result his leading the opposition of the gulf war sam nunn took a terrific amount of criticism id georgette and around the country. His Approval Ratings dropped down a 65 . It was too much and he called me and said i dont want to do this anymore. So it was clearly clinton had to be the nominee. I will tell you one other story. Then try to wrap this up, but clinton had a few problems on the way to the nomination. And then i heard about the affair with Gennifer Flowers and he had written a letter that some people interpreted as he was trying to get out of the draft. Of during be a non. But in january of 1992, i was going up to york and i had just done the hell were down to with the publisher of the New York Times and in those the newspapers were really important. It was the whole currency of politics in many ways. Arthur just took over as a publisher in my first trip to doordie would visit him. And arthur is that the elevators saying there is an emergency call your office. Somebody on my staff read me a story that was going to be in the star tabloid within the next two days alleging the 12 year affair with Gennifer Flowers and bill clinton. Having made that call from the publisher of the New York Times dusk i try to be called and he takes me down to meet with the Editorial Page Editor and i had a seven year but we would find a candidate who could do with kennedy did to pull together workingclass whites and blacks for the nomination. Just as he was conceding the of debt i was sitting there bounded determined so there was a long way a few little bombs but clinton was elected and served two terms winding up with 66 percent Approval Rating, a job Approval Rating because of the good things he did for this country. I still believe the animating philosophy of the new Democratic Movement opportunity for all and mutual am Profit Sector growth to empower government for people to solve their own problems and the embodiment of work and faith or is liable to meet challenges to day as they were then. And there are lessons for both parties say and i right about that a little bit the third reason i wrote the book very briefly for the democrats we needed to think big. And there is a lot of emphasis on identity politics. A lot of the basis of what the republicans call class warfare what democrats call inequality that is an important issue but if you want to have a golden eggs eggs, of paul tsongas told me have a healthy choose. But we need a but also we have to constantly reinvent government to make it to work. 50 Efficient Government undermines our philosophy. Said rove was interesting to see the new Republicans Group but it is important to because they need it is where the candidates are not up there alone when they tried to do it. The second things they need to talk about is to develop some ideas to have an agenda with Popular Support and not just running against obamacare no matter what you think about it. Third, forget about party unity. That is overrated. The problem is with both parties if youre just unified the days you dont have a broad enough appeal to with the white house you have to expand. We learned that in the 80s dealing with the left and if you want to know what unity brings to republicans today think about the government shut down because when you have a group on the mainstream that tries to have unity and peace they go outside the mainstream. And republicans just need to be more inclusive and tolerant they need to send messages to asian voters that we may not agree that we welcome the debate within the party have not in the business of the fisa republicans but i do hope they listen a little bit as long as the Tea Party Extremist commitee agenda that will reduce pressure as well america deserves better than that our democracy depends on too strong competitive Political Parties debating ideas to make our country better and fight for the privilege of national leadership. Thank you. Now we will hear from governor erlich about his book america hope for change. I disagree with everything you just heard. [laughter] actually i do agree with a lot of it and i am very proud to be representing republican and a government governors here today. [laughter] a couple of observations and i will be brief i also want to introduce my grea to introduce my great former press secretary that is still here and in my vision of assistant she is married if you want to cbc her. Not him. [laughter] what he just said is why i wrote my bookie just redefined obama as the centerpiece of the Democratic Party a europeanstyle leftist entrepreneurship and to freedom hyper regulatory approach to life counter cultural in this country. That is why i wrote my book. Because he is winning but maybe because of the minority leader but the bottom line is youre absolutely correct a lot of what you just heard i could not just got myself because i did agree i think what you heard that nobody knew what hope and change really was we did not have the definition we have this africanamerican and a machine politician from chicago but it is beyond politics but classic liberal politician