He served as a panelist in the 1992 president ial debate between bill clinton, george h. W. Bush, and ross perot. And he has served as president of the Radio Television correspondents association. In 1998, he joined the nonprofit, Nonpartisan Organization is a founding editor, shaping its coverage of policyolicy trends in issues, health care, demographics, and the business of government. In 2010, he served as a fellow at Harvard Kennedy school of government. I know you will agree with me that gene gibbons is qualified to talk with us today about why journalism is important. Genee join me in welcoming gibbons. [applause] gibbons thank you very much, kristin. Act tocouple of tough follow. I should have a i shouldve demanded a change in schedule. Good morning, everyone. I am delighted and honored to be here today. But i am also a bit dismayed quite frankly to look out at this audience and see so much evidence of just how old i become. Realize thatg to most of the people in this room want even born yet when fitzwater was White House Press secretary and i was a member of the White House Press corps. Said, all of my good stories are completely updated. Telling you about how it was way back when i was covering the white house would be like someone telling me what it was to cover interesting, but not very relevant. Threered six president s, fulltime as a fullfledged member of the White House Press ps, president s reagan four president s. Carter, reagan, george h. W. Bush, and clinton. I filled in covered i filled in covering richard nixon. If the team at the white house did extra help, i would pitch in. But as a fulltime White House Correspondent, it was before residents carter, reagan, bush, clinton. For me, the standout was george h. W. Bush. I think he deserves a lot more credit than he got at the time for his leadership. Themples, number 1 war in iraq, the war after iraq had invaded kuwait. At that time, we were very heavily dependent on arab oil. It would have had a profound Economic Impact on the United States. Knitted together an international coalition, used diplomacy until there was no road for diplomacy, and then the theater operation was an overwhelming force. He had an exit strategy that was textbook president ial leadership followed by the collapse of the soviet union. Has abefore in history great empire disintegrated without bloodshed. And yet president bush let us through that crisis without a single drop of blood being shed. History is going to create a much more kind and he was treated that the time. New cover the white house, you get to travel a lot. There is good to bad there is good and that it that. I got to go to places that most people only dream of. On the other hand, i was away from my family quite a bit. I missed a lot of birthdays, ballgames, dance recitals. Son chad, who my is now 39 years old, told me whenever i went on a trip, he became very afraid and had trouble sleeping. Fived seen when he was years old, Television Coverage of the assassination attempt on president reagan. And as a little boy, he was convinced that that was the environment we lived in. Every time i went away, he was afraid i was not coming home. I had no idea. I was stunned when he told me that. My most memorable trip was president reagans visit to normandy for the 40th anniversary of the invasion. I had a personal connection to that event. My uncle landed in the first beach, dday on omaha which was the bloodiest sector of the bloodiest beach in that invasion. Won a award ofe bravery. What was extraordinary was that he was a doctor. Medam do noncombatants get ls to that level. He never talked about what he did, but it had to be quite extraordinary. Three back to normandy other times with president clinton for the 50th anniversary, and twice on my own. If you get a chance, it is really worth going to see because our nation and the allied nations did great things there. It is sacred ground and a very moving experience for me, and i think it would be for you as well. Another memorable trip was president bushs trip to the persian gulf area just before the outbreak of the war. That was memorable not only because it was very moving to be there and seeing the troops and visualizing what they were levied to be going through, but it also had a rather comic ending. At the start of the trip and czechoslovakia, we went from there to germany, and from there to france and then on to saudi arabia. From saudi arabia, we went to egypt. Then there was an ad onto the trip. We stopped in geneva, switzerland for a meeting between president bush and the president of syria. There is a small group of reporters called the tight pool. They filed air force one with the president. It includes wire service reporters, newspaper reporters, newsmagazine, Television Correspondent and proof from one of the networks. All of the positions rotate except for the Wire Services who are permanent members of the pool. Air force one lands, whatever networks were in the pool that day join the motorcade so they can get their own footage if something happens. Police had not been briefed on what was about to happen, so when air force one expanded a stop, the pools that it approaching aircraft, and the swiss police thinking that this might be some kind of a security breach, motioned for them to stop. In the White House Press corps can sometimes come and i very often, but once in a while, be a little arrogant and so we ignored the swiss police. One of the policeman brandished his weapon. Housenraged the white chief of staff who summoned the swiss interior minister. Sitting in the green room with the other members of the word went around that the swiss police had surrounded air force one. We were all tired. Washat point, what it did put in enormous chip on everyones shoulder. As we got to the plane, there was a heavier Police Presence then when we arrived. They were allowing everyone to board. One of the swiss cops through a novo and then there was a melee during which, the chief of protocol, and one of the president ial advisers, got roughed up. We got on the airplane and took off. Diplomaticing a protest. That is news. They United States was going to file a diplomatic protest. The wire service reporters used to take turns calling in a story, and it was my turn. Telephone withe the bureaus of the three Wire Services in washington. It was a push to talk telephone and the connection is not good and pure over the outs and youre getting pushed around the flight with turbulence. Story andated the finally finished in my hand was cramped. One of the other news organizations said, we did not get a word of that, can you repeat it all . It just goes to show you that no good deed ever goes unpunished. I am honored to be here at Franklin Pierce university bestse it is one of the schools for the school of communications. It is a fitting tribute to a man i did the respect and admire. Withe known and interacted more than a half a dozen white house in the course of my career. My former colleagues in the White House Press corps would agree. Why was marlon the very best . Because he truly believed, and still believes, that the public has a right to know what our government is up to. That is not to say that he told me and my colleagues everything he knew, or even most of what he knew. That is not the role of a president ial spokesman. If there is a sensitive way, or a issue under military operation about to begin, it is not going to be very successful if you tell the whole world before hand. He was the very best because when he told me and my colleagues something, it was factual. It was the truth. He did not try to spin the information whether it was flattering or unflattering to the president. Giving the public actual information. You know, these days its like an abnormal situation. Spokespeople for our wouldbe leaders contorting and distorting facts these days, it reminds me of what used to be the of a comedians joke. Who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes . All this goes to the point of the subject of my talk here today. My journalism was important and i am going to talk about that briefly, but i will leave most of the time for your questions. Why is journalism important . Journalism, good, solid, impartial, factual reporting of the issues and events of our lives, is absolutely vital, essential. It is, quite simply, the lifeblood of democracy. That theforget government of our wonderful country is us. Not the politicians. Not the bureaucrats. Us. The politicians and the bureaucrats represent us and they serve us. What we elect the politicians and the bureaucrats carry out the policies we decide. You are member the first words of the u. S. Constitution . We, the people. Making in the gettysburg address spoke of government of the people, by the people, for the people. It is true. We often forget that. Unless we the people, good, solid, factual information, we cannot make sound decisions about what the government should do or not do. That is where journalism at its very best comes in. Notnalism is important, just because of government and politics, it is important in helping us make sense of the world in which we live. Good and bad. You know, there are some sense about us. Organization an called partners and healthbased in boston. He has spent his professional life bringing medical care to the poorest of the poor on this earth. We need journalists to seek out and write about and tell people about people like paul farmer. Us to leave some of support his work, and maybe lead a few of us to in your late him. Emulatea few of us to him. Of the worlders are few and far between unfortunately. There are more people out there exploiting other human beings, enslaving women in many parts of the world. Forcing individuals to work in unsafe or inhuman conditions. Journalism is important in that case to expose those sorts of people. Andfflict the comfortable that can be dangerous work because the evildoers of this world will often have no scruples and will stop at almost nothing to of the mineta anybody who gets in their way. In order to inform the public, i believe we journalists must be wellinformed. I think that means reading widely, knowing a great deal about american and world history, and always seeking to expand our storehouse of knowledge. I think it means writing clearly. And what i am about to say now wheree heresy in a world celebrity journalism seems to be the rate. Good journalism should have a passion of being anonymous. Too often, journalists these days let ourselves become a part of the story instead of letting the story speak for itself. I myself became part of the story once, and i hated it. It was president clintons first primetime News Conference. Dressed i was getting for work that day, my wife was away somewhere. I chose to wear an almost fluorescent mickey mouse tie. It was an horrific tie. My wife would not let me go out of the house if she saw me wearing it. As a News Conference began and the president called me for a question, when he saw the type, he said, i love that tie, it is a wonderful tie. The American People should see that tie. He made such a fuss over the tie, i thought it would be awkward just to launch into my question. So i said, mr. President , this is what people think the White House Press corps is about is mickey mouse. As soon as i said that, i committed the cardinal sin. People in the country see a reporter being a wiseguy to the president of the United States and the think it is disrespectful and dont like it very much, and it is not a good career move for folks like me. Ended, a News Conference the White House Press secretary came walking by and i took the tie off and gave it to her and said, here, get this to the president and tell him i did not mean any disrespect. Clinton came back into the green room 45 seconds later wearing the tie. [laughter] and a News Conference resumed, and that became the story of the News Conference. Clinton and my tie. He had a sense of humor and was a good guy. Well, i was mortified. That was not the story. The story was that bob dole who was the senator republican leader was giving ever sponsor the president s comment on the networks. When clinton walked back to the east room, they blew the opposition off the tv tube. That was the real story. My colleagues missed it. Speaking of missing the story, or maybe over blowing it, i think too much information the public gets these days lacks perspective because a lot of us journalists just arent well grounded in history. As i mentioned, to be a good journalist, you need to cost me be studying history. We get an awful lot of what i call, oh my god, the sky is falling reporting these days. Us, orrorists will kill if not, the virus will get us. Frightened people make bad decisions. The world is safer now been it has ever have been in history. We live in a relatively peaceful time. I see some skepticism and some of your faces. Consider this six years of world war ii between 1939 and 1945, 60 Million People were killed. One person was killed every single second for six years. And these are dangerous times . Have anobviously interesting journalism conforming bill is an informing the public, otherwise, you would not be here. As marlon mentioned in his interview, it is a bad time for journalism. Gathering the news is expensive, and those who do it well, major newspapers, Wire Services, they pay organizations they are having a hard time financially. It is a lot easier to make and sell entertainment. It makes money, but i am afraid it in flames the public more than it informs the public. If you go into journalism, and i hope all of you will because i job t is a very poor it is a very important job. Dont do it for the wrong reasons. Do it for the same reasons that i think you are probably here today. You are endlessly curious about things come about the world you live in. Some of you, maybe all of you, could do a Great Service for the rest of us by maintaining that curiosity. Going out and learning all you can come answering the questions you have, and then telling others about it. I am convinced there is a better way, the best way to enrich all of our lives, to improve our country, and improve the world. Thank you very much for your attention. And now i will take some questions. [applause] the recent clinical poll found that 50 of White House Correspondent think that daily press like meeting should be overhauled completely. Do you think that sentiment existed after time at the white house and by do you think it exists today . When marlon was White House Press secretary, the daily britain was not televised. That change under president clinton. I think it was a bad move, quite frankly. Because it led to a lot of posturing. Seeking information, reporters would try to impress their bosses in the newsroom, or play to the people on television. I think that the Daily Briefing was quite useful. And previous to marlon, after that, there was an awful lot of playacting. Nowve been out of the game too long to admit. I do not know how it plays on a daily basis, but i am inclined to believe that the journalists in the pool have it right. It might have outlived its usefulness. A lot another part of that is you cannot depend just on the briefing to get your information about what is going on in the white house. In a television age, too often, reporters tend to do that. Forvered National Politics a number of years before a cover the white house, and i knew a lot of people in both parties, outside of the white house. And i would frequently find out more about what was going on in ae white house by calling staffer of a committee on the hill, or talking to a member of Congress Just because, not for any blind purpose, but a policy might be in a formula stage and the white house was not able to announce it yet. I wanted to find out about it before they let me know about it. So i would go elsewhere. Tendencye is often a to almost have a combative situation between the people sitting in the press room, and the press secretary. And that does not illuminate any of us. Experience, how do you think journalism differs in politics compared to your everyday newsroom . Can you approach a little closer . I am terribly hard of hearing. How do you think bill is a different how do you think journalism differs in gene oh, i see. Good question. You. Political journalism is probably the most glamorous aspect of journalism, but its not really the only aspect and often its not the most important aspect. As i mentioned, there are a lot of things going on in this world. The World Politics comes from the word polis, which is greek for people. All of the stories are about all of us. I think it helps all of us to understand our lives and to work to make our lives better, onby knowing what is going not so much in washington, as it , is at the statehouse and other places. Barbara bush used to say it is more important what happens in your house rather midway happens rather than what happens in the white house. I think that is true. Their all kinds of things that people are doing that we all should know about. Thats a very valuable aspect of journalism. Not to mention, im inclined to be something of a wonk, but there is a lighter side of life we should know about as well. I want to know how the red sox are doing. I dont follow the Washington Redskins very much, but my wife is a big auburn fan, so we have to look up those scores every week. Thats important, too. Thank you. So it is important to report the facts and journalism. I was wondering how you avoided adding your own personal bias into what you wrote and how to avoid that ourselves . Gene thats a very good question. I must say your questions are quite impressive. He was right when he said he is constantly impressed by young people. You have restored my faith with some of the questions you have had here today. There is a tendency to say, oh, the press are a bunch of leftwing liberals. Not really. You know, professional journalists do have their opinions. But you want to be impartial. You want to tell both sides of the story. You want to deal in facts. You might have a leaning one way or another. It used to drive my wife nuts. I would never allow a Political Campaign sign on my lawn or a Bumper Sticker on my car. I think you have to be straight down the middle when youre covering politics and you have to tell both sides and you have to be quite rigorous in doing that. It just almost comes naturally and if you have good editors and you turn in a story that is incomplete, that doesnt have both sides, a good editor will say make more phone calls, get the facts and give me both sides. Too often today, particularly on Cable Television, that doesnt happen. You have one network that is mostly right. You have a network that is mostly left. And never the twain shall meet. Quite frankly, to my mind, theres not a whole lot of fact delivered by either one. There are a lot of talking heads getting their opinions. And i will say, opinions are like familys. Everyone has one. What we need are facts. I think that is the role of a good journalist, to be a truth teller. To go out and dig up the facts, wherever they lead, and report the story. Does that answer your question . What do you think are some of the best ways or maybe the best sources that young people our age can stay informed about politics and possibly about journalism or other current topics . Gene try and cast as wide a net as you can. Watch fox news, yes, but also watched cnn and read the New York Times and the wall street journal and the washington post. That is quite difficult. There only 24 hours in every day and we dont have a lot of time to consume news given Everything Else that is going on in our lives. But its only human nature to want to reinforce your home own beliefs. And someone much wiser than i said the mark of true intelligence is to entertain two contradictory beliefs at the same time. I think the trick is to inform yourself as completely as you can. I think if journalists were to do that, we would do a better job informing the public. Thank you. Today, the world has never been safer than before. The media has perhaps has never been more dangerous, often amplified and taken out of proportion. Gene could i ask you to step out from behind the microphone. Im getting some feedback. The media has never been more dangerous. The media can be a very dangerous occupation, covering a war zone. There you are, exposed to every hazard. It can be very dangerous to do a kind of Investigative Journalism that frankly we need a lot more of, to seek out situations that arent right. And there are a lot of them. Evil does exist in this world. You have people exploiting other people. Throughout our history we have been fortunate to have people, the muckrakers in the beginning of the 20th century exposed horrific conditions to the meatpacking plants where conditions were unsafe, the food was unsafe. There were journalists that done that up and got corrective action. More recently, one example was the reporting on some of the sex scandals in the catholic church. There was a movie called spotlight about exposing what was going on. That was important. It should not have happened but it did happen. Use the word evil. People dont always have bad motives but something bad happens. Its just human nature to not want to talk about it, to cover it up. When someone in your family gets a citation for speeding, you arent going to go out and tell your neighbors. It is kind of embarrassing. There are some things the public needs to know about. One of the reasons journalism is important is because that is what we do. Situationsnd find that are wrong and report them and everything works the way you hope it will work corrective , action is taken. But that can be dangerous because if the information is maybe not only embarrassing but also illegal the people who are , perpetrating dont want that publicized and some of them have very few scruples and more than one reporter has died because somebody didnt like what they were reporting. What advice do you have High School Students considering pursuing journalism as a career . Gene i am really impressed with the questions here. That is another very good question. Journalism courses, learning the mechanics of the profession, but not stopping there. Going out and studying history, taking a Political Science course to learn the art of politics. It is an art that is practiced. Taking a biology course so maybe you would have some ground to report on some of the medical development enriching our lives. It is endlessly expanding our storehouse of knowledge. I have two brothers and we are very fortunate in that my parents encouraged us to go to play ball and go to the library to read and never put any , restrictions on any information we could get. That has served as very well. As my wife will attest, i am constantly stuck in a book because i love to learn about new things. And i like to ask questions. I see things. Curiosity is important. You will not get rich in journalism, but i will tell you i have found it enormously satisfying. It has made my life much richer and i think a lot of the people who are in journalism would feel the same way. A lot of people recently have expressed a distrust in the media and i was wondering what advice you would get the journalists in order to restore this trust in the public and how much, how important you think it is that it is restored . Gene i think humility would serve a lot of journalists well. We are trying to inform the public. We are there to get the facts and to present them to people who cannot be there. But one of my pet peeves when i was covering the white house is that the Television Cameras would be placed in an area where it would get the best shot. That is understandable. But people who are sitting behind the television stand did not have a very good line of vision. At an event that the only time it will get to see a president. The tv cameraman had to be standing there behind the tripods taking pictures, but there was no reason for People Like Us to be standing up blocking the way of someone sitting behind them. I used to always think about that and try to get out of the way to let someone who is having when iime experience would to the president three or four times a day to let those , people have that experience and a used to bug me some of my colleagues were callous to the fact for most people it was a onceinalifetime event. Whereas for us, it was rather routine. Humility and the impartiality. Making sure that you get both sides of the story and being informed. I cant tell you how many times i cant close to throwing my shoe with the Television Set because the question has no perspective, no background. It is illinformed. If the journalist is themselves getting information for the first time, that is certainly not helping the rest of us. Thank you. Hello there. You mentioned earlier how you shouldnt put yourself in the story and how you shouldnt be using biases. I was wondering your opinion on tabloids and if you consider those people as journalists. How you felt about tabloid magazines and if you consider those people journalists. Gene no, i dont, quite frankly. Tabloid journalism has existed for as long as the has been journalism. There is a First Amendment and there is freedom of the press but quite frankly i see some of those supermarket tabloids, Hillary Clintons alien baby. I cant think of all the other crazy things. It is not the kind of journalism i was proud of, not something i would want to be connected with and frankly, i felt it rather tarnished what i was trying to do. But there is a First Amendment freedom of the press. Thank you. You spoke of your experience with travel. How do you think that impacted your career, and do you think it would be a wise choice for journalism students to study abroad . Gene the travel is unreal. To give you an example, we left knoxville, tennessee at 4 00 on a friday afternoon and we flew to italy, hungary, bosnia, and croatia and we were back at that air force base at 11 00 the next evening. Its tuesday, another war zone. That is the kind of traveling you sometimes do. You go a lot of places but dont see a lot of things. In that case you say thats impossible. How can you do that . Because of the time zones. That was a trip with president clinton to bosnia when we had peacekeeping troops there. It was only a pool event, the reporters on air force one. Air force one doesnt have to worry about fuel economy so you are flying at the speed of sound. Fiveandahalf, six hours italy. They changed from the 747 that is normally the president ial aircraft onto a c17, a military transport. By the way, whatever plane the president happens to be on his air force one. It is a radio call sign, not a description of the airplane. We flew to hungary, spent a couple hours on the ground. During which he inspected u. S. Armored Infantry Company about to go into bosnia. Then we got back on the airplane, flew to bosnia, spent several hours there. Then other croatia which was also involved in the civil war in the balkans at the time. By that time, it was 5 00, 6 00 in the evening. It was only 2 00 or 3 00 in the afternoon back in washington. The six hours or seven it took us to get to injuries made up the rest of the time. You get to go a lot of places. You dont get to see a whole lot of things. I used to swear when i gave up my day job, i would never get on an airplane. I have, as my lovely wife let test, will attest really gone , back on my word because now, i love to travel. We are on the road constantly. But we are doing it on our schedule rather than someone elses schedule and you see things that whiz by 10 or 20 years ago. Thank you. Its important to report the facts but its also important to keep people safe. I was running what your view on Edward Snowdens leaking of classified documents . Gene im a veteran. I served in the u. S. Army. I had secret security clearance. I saw for more classified information than ever did as an army officer. Sometimes is the nature of the beast. I myself dont get too excited about this email controversy. There is a lot of classified information floating around washington. There are a lot of people that have access to it. Thats not the way it is supposed to be but thats the way it is. And there is also a lot of overclassification. People like to use the secret stamp because it makes you part of an inner circle. You are in the know and other people are not. That, there are situations that need to be kept secret. I think journalists have an obligation to respect that. Trueevere rule called the Movement Rule for you could report troop movements. I was horrified to hear one of my colleagues say a hypothetical question about if you are reporting in a war zone and you knew an American Army unit was about the ambushed, would you forget your impartiality and tell them about it or remain silent and just report the story . As an answer to my consternation was he remained silent and report the story. That is not think is the role of the journalist. We are first and foremost members of this society. And we need to be Serve Society well. I think both can be done. But i think we have to honor our obligations as human beings first. Time for one last question. We talked about ways of avoiding being bias, but also about how this industry has evolved into making time of the essence. Do you think the quality of this story is somehow undermined by the need to get it out faster and how would you advise young journalists growing up in this kind of field with understanding that time is of the essence, have would you advise them to keep the quality of the story also getting it out as quickly as possible . Gene i believe the cuban missile crisis happened today thats when the u. S. And the soviet union were eyeball to eyeball with Nuclear Weapons 50 years ago. I think it that happened today, we would probably all the senders. Cinders. I think the 24 7 new cycle puts enormous pressure on policy makers respond before they have all the facts and they can make a decent judgment. There is what is called the fog of war. In a battle situation, most of the time, the Additional Information commanders get is wrong. The same is true in journalism. We saw two vivid examples recently. One was the situation in dallas where the policeman were ambushed. And the other was an incident that happened about a week or so later in baton rouge. In both cases, the initial report was that there were several gunmen. That was wrong. There was only one gunman in both cases, rather deranged. I deranged individual. Its a quite Different Event if you have multiple gunmen. Then you are dealing with insurrection. In the case of one gunman sometimes youre dealing with , criminality. But often youre dealing with irrationality. I think being too hasty to put stuff out does a disservice. Ends to to it tned inflame people. It a dangerous situation but i quite frankly dont know how a lot of journalists operate these days. I had a couple of days together the information and write the story. I have a couple deadlines a day and so i could get the facts and get as much information as i could. Put it all together in a story and shoot it out. Between tweets and information is constantly being pumped out and sifted through. They are deciding what was important and what was not. Another thing i think we run into today is the influence of television news. Christian mentioned i was a panelist on the president ial debates during the 1992 campaign. They were only three debates that year. It was a big deal. Andident bush, bill clinton ross perot, the independent candidate. I saw how television can often. Its on reality. Four of us that 10 feet away from the candidates and we came away from that debate thinking president bush had won hands down. He was most in command of the facts. He seemed most president ial. He owned the debate. My oldest son was doing a semester abroad. When he got back from christmas break, we sat down and looked at the video debate and im it was the first time i saw it. I was blown away by the different reality of bill clinton. He was more telegenic. He worked the cameras that are. If you are looking at it on television, and it showed most of the public thought he won the debate. My colleagues at one perspective sitting there a few feet away from the candidates, and the people watching television had another. When you are watching these things, think of that and remember that pictures can be deceiving sometimes. Thank you very much. [applause] and thank you for joining us gene it was a pleasure to be here. Judging by the questions today i think we are in good hands for a while. Gene i think so too. I was impressed with the questions and i really wish i couldve heard. Thank you very much. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2016] we have some subtle standing by to take you to a barbecue. 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