between his last text, previous text saying, you know what? let's take this offline are, let's stop texting about this. >> exactly. and he's been reporting that he'd spoken to president before he sent that text back. i think democrats want to know what he said, and reports that there's additional messages on a private device of his. what those reveal could -- well, we have to see. but they're hoping or they want to check to see if that backs up the narrative or the whistleblower's accusation that the president was basically withholding mill care aid in order -- military aid in order to benefit his political investigation. arthel: two things in a short amount of time. what about that personal device you're talking about? what's the likelihood that congress will get access to whatever's on that device? >> it sounds like a court fight. the administration basically saying no cooperation at all, and so it's going to have to work its way through the courts, it seems. arthel: so will the house dems subpoena rudy giuliani? if so, would he have any legal