of then cooperate a little bit, we can get this done. we just need a little help. chris: okay. let's assume for the sake of this interview that you do get a compromise on the pay fors and on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. at the same time that chuck you schumer is pushing that on a bipartisan basis, he's also pushing for a $3.5 trillion massive spending program which he wants to pass on a straight party line vote. question. can you separate the two, support the bipartisan compromise on infrastructure while you oppose the $3.5 trillion social spending? >> absolutely. because the $1.2 trillion infrastructure is over five to eight years, depending on what aspect. the american people universally want the spending somewhat on the back end. it won't worsen inflation. it will create jobs. that's very different than what's offered with