richard holbrooke, rich hock brook talks about it in memo war wars he think got away with ban donning vietnam and we can get away with ban doning afghanistan. if in fact the taliban takes hostages not just the ones republicans call hostages but literally rounds up these people and says open up the spitting of aid for these kinds of things. you are not looking like vietnam analogy but iran analogy and jimmy carter's presidency was morally wounded by the hostage crisis and we could have a much bigger one on our hands because we don't know the nuns on numbers who are there and whether they can get out. >> bret: we are going to follow it every day. we're not going to turn the page on that. we are going to talk about the california gubernatorial recall next. listen to charles krauthammer, charles krauthammertalking about biden in 2012. >> the vice president has been over the last 30 years hold the american record for wrong on the