on the road to decline because were going to a road the social fabric more to government and more intrusively into the middle of family life but let's leave that aside let's talk about the presidents pulling and why such a precipitous fall, how do you explain it? >> first of all it's not precipitous if you mean speedy look back at these numbers they begin to decline earlier in the year in his favorability rating dropped about eight points during february, march, april, may, june it dropped double digit drop in july, august and september and it's going to continue to go down it's really problematic for the white house and uc and independence there starting to look like republicans and they are democrats let's look at the pull itself overall job approval among democrats was 80% among