He must prove to be up to the challenge. When i tell the American People im going to do something, i follow through. Tonight, both candidates make their case to the American People as they look for strength and leadership. Who will stand out, both will try to together. This is the most important election in the history of our country. Time for us, for we the people to come together. The candidates are on the clock and america is watching. Bret and welcome to cleveland with the biggest stage in the nation is set for President Trump and former Vice President biden to finally go toetotoe in the first president ial debate of 2020. Good evening, im bret baier. Martha and good evening, im martha maccallum. We are live on the campus of Case Western Reserve University and the cleveland clinic, and tonight is the night for tonight is the night for one of the most highly anticipated debates in history. They are about to get things underway. It comes anytime that the natio is struggling with somebody things when you look at coronavirus whoever is presiden for the next four years is goin to have an opportunity to see u out of this. These two men are going to have a chance to show the country ho they would handle the difficult challenges. There were a few people here in the audience. You can see Chris Wallace getting ready. Hes going to go for roughly si minutes. Fifty minutes for each one of these backandforth. This is the big contest and the big night where these two men share a stage for the first tim ever in this role. Chris wallace the colligan friend. Chris good evening from the Health Education campus of Case Western Reserve University and im Chris Wallace of fox news and i will commune this is between and dont trump and the former Vice President. This debate is sponsored by the commission of president ial debates. Both campaigns have agreed to israels. For the record ive decided the topics and the questions in eac topic i can assure you none of these questions have been share with the commission this debate is being conducted under health and safety protocols designed b the cleveland clinic. Serves as the health character advisor for all four debates. As a precaution both campaigns a have agreed the candidates will not shake hands the beginning o tonights debate. The audience in the hall has promised to remain silent. We are welcoming their publican nominee president donald trump. A lot of people have been waiting for this night lets ge going. The first subject is going to b the Supreme Court. Youve nominated amy over the weekend to succeed the late crusader differed on the court. The constitution is clear about your obligation of the senate t considerit in nominee to the c court. Vice president did youou say th is an effort by the president and republicans to jim through an appointment and what you cal an abuse of power. My first question too both of you tonight is why argue right and make the argument and why i the opponent wrong and where do you think a justice would take the court lacks. I will tie you very simply w won the election. Elections have consequences we have the senate and the white house. Weve got a phenomenal nominee. Top in academic and good in every way. In fact some of her biggest endorsers are very liberal people. I think shes going to be fantastic we have plenty of ti time. Even if we did it after the election itself ive got a lot of time after the election. Weve got a professor at notre dame highly respected by all said she is the single greatest student shes ever had. Weve got the right to choose her and very few would knowingl say otherwise. The problem is they did not hav the election. They were stopped. That might happen in reverse also. We won the election and we have the right to do this chris. The same question to you vic President Biden. You got two minutes. Thank you for doing this and im looking forward to this mr mr. President. The American People have a righ two have a say in who the Supreme Court nominee is. When you vote for a us senator and when you vote for the president of the United States. They are not going to get that chance because we are in the middle of an election already. Cte election has already start started. People have already voted. The thing that should happen is that we should wait. We should wait and see with the outcome of the election is. As the only way they get to t express his who the elected as president and Vice President. Whats at stake is the presiden has made it clear he wants to get rid of the Affordable Care act. He ran on this and hes been governing on this. s its own to strip 20 Million People for having insurance and Health Insurance now. The justice and i have nothing. Im not opposed to the justice she seemed to come very fine person. The rates are fundamentally change once again. She could pay more money becaus she has a preexisting conditio or pregnancy. Theyin can chargeti or more for same exact procedure. This ended when we infect past the Affordable Care act. There is 100 Million People wit preexisting conditions. They are going to be taken away as well. Insurance companies are c going love this. Is just not appropriate. There werent 194 with pre existing arconditions. People already had their say. Okay she said very powerfully and very strongly at some point ten years ago or so she said a president in the senatego is elected for a period of time. Im not elected for three years. So we had the senate and we hav a president. During this period of time we have an opening. I wasnt elected for three year i was elected for four years. I dont know where you are getting this number. The larger problem that you are having is that you are going to extinguish 180 main people with the private healthcare. [speaking at once] we are now into open discussion i agree. He knows what i propose. And whatat i proposed is that w expand obama care. We can increase this we dont wipe anything. One of the big debates we had with one of my colleagues tryin to win the domination that i wo we said thatco i wanted to allo people to have private insuran insurance. They can and they do and they will under my proposal. This is simply wants to go socit [speaking at once] ct, approved. What i approved of. Now heres the deal. Its is going to wipe out preexisting conditions. There are 7 Million People that have contracted the virus. What does it mean for them goin forward if we strike down the Affordable Care actt. Affordable care act . President trump you had 308,000 military people dying because you im happy to talk about that. If you werent here it was going to be 2 million because you were so late on the draw. D. China was heavily infected. [speaking at once] were talking about 2 Million People. Chris gentlemen. We are going to talk about covid in the next segment let me finish. The point is the president also as opposed to roll be weighed. Thats about as well in the court. Its not on the ballot. It on the ballot in the cou court. Theres nothing happening there. Court. In the court. President trump [speaking at once] come back to roe v. Wade, the they will hear a case a week after the election in which the Trump Administration along with ending obama care. Over the last four years you have promised to repeal and replace obama care. Youve never come up with a comprehensive plan. I got rid of the you President Trump excuse me. I got rid of the [speaking at once] ask my questd then you can answer. President trump go ahead in the course ofhr his four yea you have not come up with a com rents a plan replace obama care and just last thursday you signed a largely symbolic executive order to protect people with preexisting conditions five days before thi debate. My question is what is the trum Health Care Plan . Let me just tell you something. There is nothing symbolic. Im cutting drug prices and kno what other president has the courage to do this. Drug prices are going to come down 80 or 90 percent. You could have done that when you were here in government but you didnt. We are cutting healthcare. I will give you an example itsmp insulin. It was destroyingg families and people because im getting it for so cheap. Its like water if you want to know the truth. We are going to allow the governors to go to other countries to buy drugs. We [speaking at once] this is open discussion. Sir, youll be happy im about to pick up on one of your points to ask the Vice President. He points out that you would he pointed out you would lik to add a t public option to oba care and the argument that he makes and other republicans make is that this is going to end up private insurance. It will end private insurance and create a romantic or. Its only for those that are so poor they can qualify for medicaid. Its free. Anybody wholi qualifies that wo automatically be enrolled in th public option. The vast majority of the American People would still not be in that option. You agree with Bernie Sander and the part [speaking at once] manifesto, wl it Vice President biden im not even going to listen to him. The fact of [speaking at once] lost every p. You got very lucky. Vice President Biden i got heres the deal. The fact is everything he is saying so far is simply a lie. And not here too colletts lies and we all liar. Everybody knows hes a liar. I just want to make sure [laughs] god. Chris mr. President , can you let him finish, [speaking at once] n socialized medicine. Chris mr. Altai you what he is not for any help for people that need healthcare. Because he in fact has already cost 10 Million People their healthcare. There are 20 Million People getting healthcare and they wan this away. [speaking at once] might know, but probably dont chris gentlemen, you are both speaking at the s obama care is no good. We made this better and had a choice to make early on. They shouldnt even call this obama care. I had a choice to make. Do i let my people run this ver well. If iran is poorly they might blame him but they might blame me. I just had a meeting with them and they said the problem is th matter how well you runn a obam care if a disaster. Its too expensive the premiums are too high. We want to get rid of this. I have to give you roughly equa time. Sir, but i have to give you roughly equal time. Please let he has no plan for healthca healthcare. He sent so wishful thinking. He has executive orders with no power. He hasnt lower drug costs for anybody. Hes been promising healthcare planet since he started. He doesnt have a plan. He does not have a plan and he does not know what hes talking about. N. N. I get one final question for you mr. Vice president. If republicans we talked about this originally while the Supreme Court. If they go ahead and confirm th justice there has been talk about ending the filibuster. You call this a distraction by the president but it actually was not brought up by president was routed by the Democratic College in congress. My question is you have refused in the past to talk about this are you willing to tell the people tonight whether or not you are going toer support eith ending it or packing the court . R packing the court Vice President biden whatever the position i take, that will be the issue. The iss you should go out and vote. Vote and let your senators know how strongly you feel. Your senw how strongly [speaking at once]ee that question . The radical left v [speaking at once] i think we have ended this segment we are going to move on to the second segment. The people understand. Was really a [speaking at once] have done no. Chris all right, the second subject is covid19, which is an awfully serious subject so lets try to be serious about it. We have had more than 7 million cases of coronavirus in the United States and more than 200,000 people more than 200,000 people have died. Even after we produce a vaccine experts say it would be months or even years before we come back to anything approachings normal. My question for both of you is based on what you have said and done so far why should the American People trust you more than your opponent. 200,000 deadd as you said at 7 million infected in the unite states. 40,000 people a day are contracting the virus. About 1,000 per day are dying. When he was presented with that number he wass saying that it i what it is. The president does not have a plan. We knew back in february how serious the crisis was. Did knew it was a deadly diseas and what did he do . Hes on tape as acknowledging that he knew this. He did not want to panic the American People. In addition to that what they do . Insisting the people we had an ground and china should be able to go in and determine for themselves how dangerous this was. He didnt ask the president to do that. Hes said what a great job he wa doing and we owe them a debt of gratitude. He then waited and waited. He still doesnt have a plan. I laid out exactly which we should be doing. We should be providing monies and houses. We should open the schools but it costs a lot of money. Get out of your bunker and the sand trap and get in the golf course. Youve got two minutes. If we wouldve listened to you the country would have been left wide open. If one person is too much its chinas fault that never should have happened. Its chinas fault. If you look at what we should have done. You called me a racist because you didntob think we shouldve closed the country. You didnt think we should have closed the country because you thought it was terrible. You wouldnt have closed the country for another couple of months. I did this early in the doctor fid President Trump saved thousands of lies. Many of your democratic governors said President Trump did a phenomenal job. Most of them said it is a great job. People that would not necessarily be on my side said that. We did a phenomenal job. We got the masks and made the ventilators. Now we are weeks away from a vaccine. Fewer are dying when they get sick. Weve done a great job. The only thing i havent done a good job of because of the fake news. Matter what you say if they giv you bad press. They give you good press and they give me bad press. You could never have done the job that we did. Red you dont have it in your blood. I know how to do the job and how to get the job done. You didnt do very well with swine flu. President trump well, you didnt [speaking at once] this is his economy that he shut down. The reason it shut down is because how many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the Kitchen Table because somebody died of the virus. His own cdc director said we could lose as many as 200,000 between now and the end of his career. If we just wear a mask we could drastically decrease the numbe numbers. We want a vaccine but i dont trust him at all. We trust a scientist. What we trust is [speaking at once] let me move on to questions about the future. Focusing in a future first President Trump you have repeatedly other contradicted o been at odds with the countries had scientists. The doctor said it could be summer before the vaccine could become generally available to the public. Used that he was confused and mistaken. As the head of your operation has said exactly the same thing. Are they both run . I spoke to the companies and we can have this a lot sooner. People like this would rather make a political than stabilize. Have spoke to everybody. They can go faster than that by a lot. But its become so political because the left. He said it could be there but i could also be much sooner. Using my office a couple of day ago. Is the possibility we are going to have the answer before november 1st. It could also be after. We are going to deliver this right away we got the military set up. Weve got our military to deliver soldiers. Its like a miracle. By the way maybe you could maybd inject some bleach in [speaking at once] hes talking about a vaccine. Every Serious Company is talkin about may be having a vaccine done. The distributionr of a vaccine will not occur until some time until the beginning of next ye year. Id like to pick up on this question. Use of the public can trust the scientists but they cant trust the president. And you said this again tonight. Your running mate said it goes further saying the public healt experts with muzzled and suppressed. Given the fact that polls already show people are concerned about the vaccine and are reluctant to take this are you and youre running mate contributing to this fear . No more than a question you just asked. You pointed this out. He disagrees with his own scientist. Re the Public Health experts are going to be muzzled and suppressed. T effigies going to try to do. There are thousands of scientists out there like here atzz this grid hospital. At they dont depend a number go these are the people and by the wayim do you believe for a mome what he is telling you in light of all the lies that hes told you about the whole issue . Ov he still hasnt even acknowledged that he knew this was happening and knew how dangerous it was going to be back in february. He didnt even tell you, hes o record saying this. He either panicked or just looked at the stock market because a lot of people died. A lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter a lot quicker. You said you and the delawar state for you forgot the name o your college. You graduated i do the lowest o almost the lowest in your class. There is nothing smart about you joe. If you would have had the charg of what i was put through. I want to quickly go through several of those. And Vice President even much more reluctant than President Trump about reopening of the economy the schools. He doesnt have a plan. If i was running i would know what the plan is. You have to provide the businesses in ability to have the money to reopen. [speaking at once] he sits on his golf course. What about the question of reopening. He wants to shut down the country. I want to keep it open. Im been a shut you down for on second joe. He wants to shut down the country and we just went throug this. We had to because we didnt kno anything about this disease. And i we found that older peopl are very vulnerable. Young people arent. Weve learned a lot. He wants to shut it down. More people are going to be hur by continuing if you look to pennsylvania in certain states that have been shut down with democratic governors one reason to shut down is because the wan to keep this shut down until after the election. He because its a political thing for them. Those states are not doing well that are shut down. Youve increasingly questioned of the effectiveness of masks as a disease preventer. Recently decided the issue of the waiters touching their mask and touching plates. [speaking at once] ive got a mass hagreater. I put it on my think i needed. Everybodys had a test tonight. I wear a mask when needed. I dont wear a mask like him. Every time you see him he has a mask on. Weve provided money. I was asking about masks. Masks make a big difference. The head of the cdc said if we just wear masks and social distance between now and januar we might save 100,000 lies. [speaking at once] the different approaches hav suggested the way you campaign. Crowds packed together thousand of people. Ll Vice President you are holding much smaller events. People wont show up. Ou why are you holding the big rallies and why are you not. People wants to hear what i have to say. People want to hear what i have [speaking at once] to say. Im the president and i have 25,000, 35,000 people show up at [speaking at once] its outside of the big difference according to the experts. If we do this outside we got tremendous crowds as you see in. And literally on 24 hours noti notice. Did you see the last rally h had into reporter came up to hi and ask my question he said no stand back and put on your mask. Have you been tested. Im farar away from those peopl. Gets what he said. Im going to be okay. Hes not worried about you or people out there breeding. Brean [speaking at once]ru hes been irresponsible in the way in which hes handled the social distancing wearing masks. s almost encourage them not to and he is a fool on this. The economy is recovering faster than expected from the shut down. The Unemployment Rate fell to a. 4 percent. The Federal Reserve says the hi to growth which is going to be there is not b one to be nearly big as they had expected. President you said we are in a vshaped recovery. Vice president you say its a case shape. What difference does that mean to the American People. We built the greatest econom in history we close this down because of the china flag. It was very difficult psychologically to do a. He didnt think we should close this down and he was wrong. We have 2 million dead instead of still 204,000 people thats too many. One person is too many it never shouldve happened from china. What happened as we close this down and now we are reopening doing a record business with 10. 4 Million People in a fourmonth period a srecord of which nobody seen before and he wants to close down the economy . He will destroy this country. A lot of people between drugs and alcohol and depression when you start shutting things down and take a look at whats happening at this democrat run states. Oo they have these tough shutdowns and im telling you its becaus they dont want to open it. We are going to open up novembe. Y . Because its after the election. Did think they are hurting us b keeping a close . They are hurting people. People know what they can doe. They can do whatever they want but the need to open the states up. When you look at North Carolina and look at these governors the are under siege. Pennsylvania michigan and a few others. When you look at whats going o with divorce and alcoholism as well as drugs. Its a very sad thing. And this guy will close down th whole country and destroyed. The country is going back incredibly well and setting records as it does. We dont need somebody to come in and say lets shut this down. As of said posing the question the president said it a vshaped recovery. The difference is millionaires and billionaires have done very well. People at home living all of these small workingclass towns in america how are you doing . This guy paid 750 in taxes. Youve agreed to the two minutes of please let him have it. The fact is he is in fact working on this in a way that hes going to be the first president ay of the us to leave office having fewer jobse in H Administration than when he became president. Fewer jobs. The first one in american history. Seconded the people that have lost their jobs are those peopl that have been in the front lines. People that have been saving ou lives. People that a been putting themselves in the way to be sur we could all try to make it. And the idea that he is insisting that we go forward an open when you have almost half the states in america with a significant increase in deaths and cases. He wants to open this up more . Nd why does he want to open it up . You cant fix the economy until you fix the crisis. He has, no intention of making better for anybody at home in terms of your health and safety. Where the schools open . Because it costs a lot of money to open safely. His administration was going to give the teachers and School Students masks but then they tdecided no they couldnt do t because its not a national emergency. Theyve done nothing to help small businesses. He should get on the job and take care of the needs of the American People so that we can open safely. You both had two minutes. President trump i have to respond to that. Chris you [speaking at once] now, people want their schools open. They dont want to be shut down, they dont they dont want the states shut down. I look at new york and its all so sad at the almost like a ghost town im not sure its ever going to recover what theyveco done. People want the places open. They want to get back to their lives. They want their schools open. I brought back for paul. G it was me and im very happy to do it. Ll the people of ohio are proud of me. We want to get it economic plans going forward. First mr. President there is a new report that in 2016 in the year you were elected president in 2017 the first year as president that you paid 750 a year in federal income tax. And know that you pay a lot of other taxes but im asking you the specific question is it tru that you paid 750 in federal income taxes each of those two years . I paid millions of dollars i taxes. And let me just tell you there was a story in a paper that i paid 38 million won your. Up a 27,000,000. 01 year. Youll see this as soon as its finished. If you want to go to the board of elections there is a hundred and 18 page reporto that says everything i have every bank i have. Im totally under leverage because the assets are extremel good. I built the great companies. Amassing you a specific question. Asking you a specific question. Pre [speaking at once] tell you chris i understand all that. No, mr. President. Im asking you im asking you a question. Will you tell us how much you paid in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017 . Millions of dollars. Millions of dollars. It was the tax laws. I dontt want to pay tax. Before i came here i was a private developer. Like every other private person unless they are stupid they go through the laws and thats wha it is. Heha passed the tax bill to giv us all of his privileges. Weve got depreciation and tax credits. We build a building and we get tax credits like a hotel. By the way that hotel was given to me by the Obama Administration if you can believe that. O the men have fired after that happen. The tax code that made him putnd him in a position that he pays less tax than a schoolteacher is because he sai hes smart and he can take advantage of the tax code. He does take advantage of the tax code. Thats what im going to eliminate the tax codes it we are going to eliminate those. I want to invest in the people that in fact need the help. People out there need help. People [speaking at once] ica has ever had, come on. Of them more and 47 months the youve done 47 years. Weve done things that youd never even thoughte of doing it including fixing the broken military that you give me. I would like to ask you what your plans going forward. The Vice President s economic plan if you were to be elected president focuses a lot of Big Government and big taxes. A i want to focus first on the taxes. You proposed more than 4 trillion over m one decade i new taxes on individuals making more than 400,000 a year. The president says this type of increase in taxes is going to hurt the economy as its just coming out of a recession. Just take a look at the analysis done by wall street firms. It points out that my economic plan it would create 7 million more jobs than his. This could be about buying americans. S. Were going to make this federa government spent 600 billion per year on ships. Under my proposal were going t make sure every penny of this has to be made by a company in america. And talking about taxes. Is im going to make the Corporate Tax 28 percent. s should not beoi 21 percent. Got 91 companies and fortune 500s that dont pay a single penny and tax making billions o dollars. Why didnt you do it when yo are Vice President . You in fact pass that. That was [speaking at once] never chris mr. President , let me pick up on that. You would continue the free market approach with lower taxe and more deregulation . Let me gulation, correct . Vice be one chris but talking about the economy booming, turns more jobs are created in obamas last three years as president than in the first three years of your presidency. N they had the slowest recover since 1929. It was the slowest recovery als they take over something that was down here. All you had to do was turn the lights lights and you pick up a lot. The slowest economic since 1929. When the stock market goes up that means jobs. If you got in if you ever becam president with your ideas you want to terminate my taxes. Of tell you what you are going to lose half the companies that have poured in here and half th companies that are already here are going to leave. Will leave r pl [speaking at once]ve youve never seen. Vice President Biden look, we inherited the worst recession short of a depress we inherited the worst recessio in american history. We were able to have an economi recovery that created these job he talked about. We handed him a booming economy and he blew it. He blew it. He blew [speaking at once] record low unemployment before covid . Vice President Biden because what he what he did and manufacturin went in the hole. Ve and went in the hole. Number [speaking at once] back manufacturing. I brought back [speaking at once]uf Vice President biden im the guy who brought back the automobile industry. I was asked house asked to bring back chrysler and general motorsnd. E he blew it and they are gone. In fact they are gone. Michigan had the best year theyve ever had. Year. Michigan had the best year [speaking at once] chris mr. Vice president , go ahead. Vice President Biden take a look at what is actually hes done very little in the trade deals are thes same way talks with these great trade deals and he talks about the ar of the deal. China has perfected the art of the steal. We got a higher deficit than we did before. Weve got the highest trade deficit. We have a higher trade deficit with [speaking at once] takes out millions of dollars. Takes out billions of dollars to manage, makes millions of dollars [speaking at once] it, just out of curiosity, the mayor of moscows wife gave your son three and [speaking at once] Vice President biden none of that is [speaking at once] 3. 5 million. Vice President Biden that is not true. [speaking at once] energy . Vice President Biden my son did nothing wrong at a he doesnt want to let me answe because he knows i have the truth. Doesnt want to let me anr because he knows i [speaking at once] media, by oue world bank, by everyone. Everyone as a matter of fact as a matter [speaking at once] well. President trump i [speaking at once] good job good job. Chris wait a minute, you get the final word. Vice [speaking at once] heres the deal. We want to talk about families and ethics. I dont want to do that. We could talk what his family all night. Government chris mr. President [speaking at once] v. Thats who we are talking about. Its not about him. Chris thats the end of the segment, we are moving [speaking at once] answer to the question is no. [speaking at once] gentlemen i hate [speaking at once] you . Vice President Biden thats a good point. Chris we weve ended that segment and we are going to go to the next one. In that segment you are going t have two uninterrupted moments. In that time you can say whatever you want him going to ask a question about race but i you want to talk but Something Else goahead. F in the country would be bette served if we allowed both peopl to speakak with fewer interruptions. Appealing to you to do that. Frankly done a lot more interrupting than an. And the issue of Vice President you say he talked about very fine people on both sides and that was directly what led you to launch this run for preside president. President trump youve often said you believe that you have done more for black americans than any president with a possible exception of abraham lincoln. My question for the two of you is why should voters trust youn and not your opponent. Vice president you go first. Itsic about equity and equality. Its about decency in the constitution. We have never walked away from trying to require equity for everybody. Equality for all of america. Would never accomplish this but would never walked away from this like he has done. Its true i got in the race whe people said close your eyes and a member what they look likeot carrying fortunes. They were just spewing anti somatic bile. A young way to get killed in th asked the president what he thought he said they were very fine people on both sides. No president has ever said anything like that. The second point i would make i that when floyd was killed when mr. Foy was killed there was a peaceful protest in front of th white house. All he wants to do is divide people and not unite them at a all. If he doesnt do something quickly by the end of the year one in 500 is going to have bee killed. This man is the savior of africanamericans . This man cares . This man has done virtually nothing. The fact is he has to look at what he talks about him what he did. What hes done has been disastrous for this community. President trump you have two minutes why should Americans Trust you over your opponent. Nt he did the crime bill in 199 when you called them super predators. Theyve never forgotten this. P, africanamericans, sup [speaking at once] did that andu a super predator and im letting im letting people out of jail now. Youve treated this population and communityre about as bad as anybody in this country. And thats why if you look at the polls im doing better than a near public and has done in a very long time because they saw what you did. You called them super predators and you called them worse than that because you look back o at the testimony over the years an you called him a lot worse than that. As far as the generals are concerned we just got the support of 250e military leader and generals. I have florida texas and ohio. Excuse me portland the sheriff just came out today and said i support President Trump. I dont think you have any Law Enforcement. If you say those words you are going to lose all of your look radical left supporters. Why arent you saying those wordsef. If they called us in portland w would put out that fire and a half hour. They wont do it because they are ran by radical left democrats. If you look at chicago any plac you want to look. It hurt we were coming in the following day we put up the hands and got back seattle. Minneapolis we got this back because we believe in law and order. The top ten cities in just abou the top 40 cities are run by democrats. That get you raptor on their fingers. The people of this country want and demand law and order. You are afraid to even say a. I want to return to the question of race. Vice president after the grand jury decided not to charge any of the police with homicide you said it raises the question whether justice could be equall applied in america. Do you believe there was a separate but unequal system of justice for blacks in this country . Yet there is. There is an systemic injustice in this country. And the vast majority of Police Officers are good and decent honorable men and women. There are some bad apples. And when he spoke hurt angle ma find them they must be sorted out and held accountable. What im going to do as president of the us is called together an entire group of people at the white house. Everything from the civil right groups to the Police Officers. We areech going to work this ou we change the way in which we have more transparency. Reporter the way in which we have more transparency. These cops arent happy about what happened to george floyd or breonna taylor. We have to have a system where people are held accountable. Violence and responses never appropriate, peaceful protests is. When they burn down your stores but you say it is. I would like to get to the issue of law and order. To end Racial Sensitivity Training that addresses for critical race theory. And the thinking systemic racism in the country . I ended up because it was racist. And a radical revolution taking place in the military. And everybody else a certain person, you had no status in life, sort of a reversal. To teach bad ideas. They are teaching people to hurt their country. We have to go back to the core values of the country, they were teaching people that our country is a horrible place a racist place. Now reason to have done that. They need to be made aware what people feel like. What consultant, what is the meaning to them. May dont want to hurt other peoples feelings. It makes a gigantic difference, and Irish Catholics like me, they look down on people of a different faith or a different color. To bring everybody together, nothing we cannot do if we do it together. We can take this on and during the Obama Biden Administration there was tremendous division. You look at ferguson, look at oakland, it was more violent than what i am seeing now im the reason for democrats are won these cities, talk like you about law and order. Are you in favor of law and order . I am in favor of our let him finish. Law and order for justice and people getting treated fairly. Violent crime is down 15 in our administration. He had mister president , you will be happy because now we are going to talk about law and order. Democratic run cities. Theres been an increase in homicides in america, you blame that on democratic mayors and democratic governors but there have been equivalent ix in tulsa and fort worth so the question is, is this a party issue . You think it is a party issue. You can bring a couple examples but if you look at chicago where 53 people were shot in eight died, look at new york where it is going up like nobody has ever seen anything, the numbers are going up 150, 200 is crazy what is going on and he doesnt want to say law and order because he cant because he will lose his radical left supporters and once he does that it is over with but if he ever got to run this country and they ran it the way you would want to we would have our suburbs would be gone, our suburbs would be gone and you would see problems wouldnt know a suburb if you took a wrong turn. I was raised in the suburbs. This is not 1950. All these dog whistles dont work anymore. Suburbs are by and large integrated. Many people today driving their kids to soccer practice, black and white and hispanic in the same car is there have been any time in the past. What really is a threat to the suburbs and their safety is his failure to deal with covert. They are dying in the suburbs, his failure to deal with the environment, they are being flooded, burned out because his refusal to do anything. Thats why the suburbs i want to talk about this issue of law and order. In the joint recommendation became from the biden Bernie Sanders task force you talk about, quote, reimagining policing. What does reimagining policing mean and do you support if i might finish the question, what does reimagining policing mean and you support the black lives matter call for Community Control policing . What i support is the police having the opportunity to deal with the problems they face. On totally opposed to defunding the Police Officers. As a matter of fact, police, local police, the only one defunding them, his budget calls for a 400 million cut in Law Enforcement, they need more assistance, when they show up for 9 one one call, someone who is a psychologist or psychiatrist to keep them from having to use force and be able to talk people down. Community policing like we have before where offices get to know the people in the communities, that is when crime went down, didnt go up, it went down. We have to be is talking about defunding the police. He doesnt have know a lot almost know who do you have name one group that supports you, name one group that came out and supported you. We dont have time to do name one Law Enforcement group that came out i will take back to another subject which is the issue of protests in many cities that have turned violent. In portland, oregon we had more than 100 Straight Days of protest which you talk about peaceful protests, many of those turned into riots, mister Vice President , you say people who commit crimes to be held accountable. The question i have is as the democratic nominee and earlier tonight you said you are the Democratic Party right now, have you ever called the democratic mayor of portland, the democratic governor of oregon and said youve got to stop this, bring in the National Guard, do whatever it takes to stop the days and months of violence in portland . I dont hold Public Office now. I am former Vice President. I made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted. It should be prosecuted. But you never called excuse me, you never called for the leaders in portland and oregon to bring the National Guard and parker hundred days of rights. They can take care of it if he would stay out of the way. I asked him a question. The man in the street, they shot him. And the us marshals taking care of business. His former spokesman said riots and chaos and violence help his cause. Thats what this is all about. Kellyanne conway said that and so here is the point. The point is that is why he keeps trying to write all up, he doesnt want to calm things down. Instead of talking to people and get everybody together, what does he do . He just pours gasoline on the fire constantly every single time. A minute to answer, you have repeatedly i have to answer he made a statement. If you want to switch seats we can do that. There would be no problem but they dont want to accept the National Guard. You have repeatedly criticized the Vice President for not specifically calling out antifa and other leftwing extremist groups but are you willing tonight to condemn White Supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence of the number of big cities as we saw in kenosha and portland . I would say almost everything i see is from the left wing, not the right wing. Im willing to do anything i want to see peace. Then say it. What you want to call them, give me a name. Stand back and stand by but i will tell you what somebody has got to do something about antifa and the left. This is not a rightwing problem. This is a leftwing antifa is an idea, not an organization. As fbi director we are done. Everybody in their administration who tells you the truth is a bad idea. You have no idea. Antifa is a dangerous we are moving when the president im going to ask the question. When the president seeks a second term it is generally a referendum on his record. Vice President Biden, you like to quote one of your dads thanks which is dont compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative and in this case you are the alternative. Looking at both of your records im going to ask each of you why should voters elect you president over your opponent in this segment, donald trump, go first, two minutes. Because there has never been an administration or president who has done more than i have done in a period of 3 and a half years and thats despite the impeachment hoax and you saw what happened stay with Hillary Clinton where it was a big con job but despite going through all these things, we had to fight both flanks behind me and above there has never been an administration that is done what i have done, before covid19 the greatest economy in history, lowest unemployment numbers, everything was good. There was unity going to happen. People were calling me for the first time in years calling and saying it is time maybe and then what happened, we got hit but we are building it back up again, rebuilding of the military including space force and all the other things, fixing of the va which was a mess under him, 308,000 people died because they didnt have proper healthcare. He was a mess and we now got a 91 Approval Rating at the va, we take care of our vets but rebuilt our military, the job we have done, some people say the most important, by the end of the first term i will have approximately 300 federal judges and court of appeals judges and hopefully three great Supreme Court justices. That is a record the likes of which very few people in one of the reasons i have so many judges because president obama and him left 128 judges to fill. When you leave office you dont leave any judges, you dont do that, they left 128 openings. If i were a member of his party because they have a different philosophy i would say a few left us 128 openings you cant be a good president , you cant be a good Vice President but it gives us almost, it will be above that number by the end of this term 300 judges. It is a record. Looking at both your records why should voters elect you president as opposed to donald trump. Under this president weve become weaker, sicker, more divided and more violent. When i was Vice President we inherited a recession, i was asked to fix it, we did. We left in a booming economy and he caused a recession. With regard to being weaker the fact is ive gone head to head with putin and made it clear we are not going to take his stuff which he is putins but become still refuses even to say anything to putin about the bounty on the heads of american soldiers and by the way my son your campaign agreed both sides would get two minute answers uninterrupted but your side agreed to it. Why dont you observe what your campaign agreed to as a ground. Never keeps his word. It was a rhetorical question. 30 seconds. Thirdly, the billionaires got much more wealthy by 2 of 400 billion more just since covid19, you got less, youre a more troubling you were before. In terms of being more violent when we were in office there were 15 less violence in america than there is today. He is president of the United States. It is on his watch. With regard to more divided the nation cant stay divided, we cant be this way. Speaking of my son the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and just being suckers, my son was in iraq, spent a year there, got the bronze star, he was not a loser, he was a patriot and the people left behind there were heroes and i reasons talking about my son bob biden. Got thrown out of the military. He was thrown out dishonorably discharged. That is not true. He didnt have a job until you became Vice President. He made a fortune in ukraine, in china. That is not true. My son like a lot of people we know at home at a drug problem. He has fixed it, hes worked on it and im proud of him. Why was he he wasnt totally discredited. Weve been through this, i think the American People would rather hear about more substantial subjects. As a moderator im going to make adjustments call here. Gentlemen mitt romney said it was taxpayer money written for political reasons. I would like to talk about Climate Change. The what i. The fourth ties and the west are raging, they burned millions of acres, displaced hundreds of thousands of people. When state officials blame the fires on Climate Change mister president you said i dont think the science knows. Over your four years you have full bus out of the paris climate record, rolled back a number of obama environmental records. What do you believe about the science of Climate Change and what will you do in the next four years to confront it . I want Crystal Clean water and air, i went beautiful clean air. We have the lowest carbon. If you look at our numbers right now we are doing phenomenally. I havent destroyed our businesses, if you look at the paris accord it was a disaster from our standpoint and people are happy about what is going on because our businesses are doing well. As far as the fires are concerned you need Forest Management. The forest floor that littered with trees, dead trees that are years old like tinder, and you drop a cigarette the whole forest burns down, you have to have forced management. What do you believe about the science of Climate Change. I believe we have to do everything we can to have immaculate air, immaculate water and whatever else we can that is good. We are planting 1 billion trees, billion tree project. Do you believe human pollution, gas, Greenhouse Gas emissions contributes the Global Warming a lot of things to but to an extent yes but i also think we have to do better management of our forests. Every year i get the call california is burning. If that was clean, if you had Forest Management you wouldnt be getting those calls. In europe they have forced cities, they maintain their forest, manage their forest. I was with the head of a major country, forest city, we have trees that are far more, they ignite much easier california. They shouldnt be that problem. I spoke with the governor, at some point every year hundreds of thousands of acres of land burns to the ground, burning down because of lack if you believe in the science of Climate Change why have you rolled back the obama Clean Power Plan which limited Carbon Emissions and power plants, why be relaxed we are driving Energy Prices through the sky. Why have you relaxed fuel economy standards that will create more pollution from cars what is happening is the car is much less expensive and much safer car and you talk about a tiny difference and what would happen because of the cost of the car you would have at least double and triple the number of cars purchased, we have the old slugs out there that are 10 or 12 years old, if you did that the car would be safer, cheaper in california take a lot of cars off the market because people could afford a car so we will see how that turns out but a lot of people agree with me, many people the car has gotten so expensive because they have computers all of the place, for an extra little bit of gasoline. Im okay with electric cars. I am all for electric cars, ive given been incentives for electric cars but what theyve been in california is crazy. I would like you to respond to the president s Climate Change record but i also want to ask you concerned 2 trillion in green jobs, talked about new limits, not abolishing the new limits on fracking, ending the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity by 2035 and 0 net emission of Greenhouse Gases by 2050, the president says a lot of these things would tank the economy and cost millions of jobs. He is absolutely wrong number one. Number 2, during our administration recovery act, i was able to bring down the cost of Renewable Energy to cheaper than or as cheap as coal, gas and oil. Nobody is going to build another coalfired plant in america, no one is going to build another oil fire plant in america. They are going to move to Renewable Energy number one. Number 2 we are going to make sure we are able to take the federal fleet and turn it into a fleet that is run on their electric vehicles making sure we can do that, put 500,000 charging stations and all the highways we will be building in the future. We will build an economy that is going to provide the ability to take 4 billion buildings and make sure they in fact are weatherized in a way that will let that significantly less gas and oil because the heat will not be going out. There are so many things we can do now to create thousands and thousands of jobs, we can get to net 0 in terms of Energy Production by 2035. Not only not costing jobs, creating jobs, creating millions of good paying jobs, not 15 an hour but prevailing wage by having a new infrastructure that is green. The first thing i will do is rejoin the paris accord, i will join the paris accord because with us out what is happening is it is all falling apart. Talk about someone who has no relationship with foreignpolicy, brazil, the rain forest of brazil being torn down, being ripped down. More carbon is absorbed in that rain forest than every bit of carbon in the United States. Instead of doing something, i would be gathering up and making sure we had the countries of the world coming up with 20 billion, 20 billion, stop tearing down the forest and if you dont then you will have significant economic consequences. What about the argument that you have to balance environmental interest and economic interests and he has drawn his line he hadnt drawn a line, he still wants to make sure methane is not a problem. You can now emit more methane without it being a problem. This is a guy who says you dont have to have mileage standards for automobiles that exist now. This is a guy who says it is all true. Talking about the Green New Deal is not too billion dollars in 20 billion, it is 100 trillion. They want to rip down buildings and rebuild the buildings. Airplanes are out of business, two car systems are out where they want to take out the cows. It is a more money than our country could make in 100 years that is not the case. Wait a minute. I have studied your plan. It includes upgrading 4 million buildings, weatherizing 2 million homes over four years, building 1. 5 Million Energy efficient homes. The question becomes, some people who support the president would say that sounds like it is going to cost a lot of money and hurt the economy. It will create thousands of millions of jobs. Good paying jobs. The fact is it is going to create millions of good paying jobs and these tax incentives for people to weatherize which he wants to get rid of is going to make the economy safer. Look how much we are paying now to deal with the hurricanes, he has an answer for hurricanes, just drop a Nuclear Weapon on them. I never said that, you made it up. We are going to be in a position where we create hard, good jobs by making sure the environment is clean and we are in better shape. We spend billions of dollars now on floods, hurricanes, rising seas, we are in real trouble. Look what happened in the midwest with the storms that come through and wipe out entire sections and counties, they didnt happen before. Because of Global Warming we make up 15 of the worlds problem. The rest of the world has got to come along which is why weve got to get back into the paris accord. Why didnt he do it for 47 years. You were Vice President , china since real dirt in, he made a couple statements, the Green New Deal is 100 trillion. That is not in my plan. He made a statement about the military, he said i said something about the military. He and his friends made it up and went with it. He called call the military stupid masters. I would never say that. Answer his final question. The final question, i cant remember much of that rambling. Having a little trouble myself. About the economy and this question of what it will cost. The economy. The Green New Deal will pay for itself as we move forward, not going to build plants that a great polluting plants. You support the Green New Deal. I dont support the Green New Deal. I support the biden plan that we put forward which is different than what he calls the radical Green New Deal. As we meet tonight, millions of americans are receiving mail in ballots are going to vote early. How confident should we be that this will be a Fair Election and what are you prepared to do over the next 5 close weeks because it will not only be to election day but also counting ballots, mailin ballots after election day, what are you prepared to do to reassure the American People that the next president will be the legitimate winner of this election . You go first. Let people vote. To iwillvote. Com, decide how they are going to vote and by what means they are going to vote. His own Homeland Security director as well as the fbi director says there is no evidence of all of mailin ballots are a source of being manipulated and cheating, they said that. The fact is there will be millions of people because of covid19 that will be voting by mail in ballots, like he does by the way, he sits behind the resolute desk incentives ballots of florida. Number 2 we are going to make sure those people who want to vote in person are able to vote because poll watchers are there to make sure they can socially distance, polls are open on time and polls stay open until the votes are counted. This is all about trying to dissuade people from voting because hes trying to scare people into thinking it is not going to be legitimate. Show up and vote. You will determine the outcome of this election. Vote, vote, vote. If you can vote earlier state vote early. If youre able to vote in person vote in person, vote whatever way is the best way for you because you will, he cannot stop you from being able to determine the outcome of this election. In terms of when the votes are counted and they are all counted that will be accepted. If i win that will be accepted. If i lose that will be accepted. If in fact he says hes not sure what hes going to accept them tell you something, doesnt matter because if we get the vote it will be all over. He is going to go. He cant stay in power. It wont happen. It wont happen. So vote. Just make sure you understand, you have it in your control to determine what the country is going to look like the next 4 years. Is going to change or get 4 more years of these lies . Mister president , two minutes. When i listen to joe talking about a transition, theres been no transition from when i won. I won that election and if you look at crooked Hillary Clinton, look at all the different people, there was no transition because they came after me trying to do a coup, they came after me spying on my campaign, they started from the day i won and even before i won, the day i came down the escalator with the first lady they were a disaster, a disgrace to our country and we have caught them. We caught them all, we got it all on tape a we caught the mall and you gave the idea for the logan act against general flynn, take a look at that because we cant you in a sense and president of always sitting in the office and knew about it so dont tell me about a free transition. As far as the ballots are concerned it is a disaster, they solicited ballots, solicited is okay, you are soliciting, asking, they send it back, you send it back, i did that. If you have an unsolicited, they are sending millions of ballots all over the country, there is fraud, they found some with the name trump, just happened to name trump in a wastepaper basket, they are being sent all over the place, they sent two in a democrat area, 1000 ballots, everybody got to ballots, this is going to be a fraud like you have never seen. On november 3rd you are watching and see you won the election and i think we will do well because people are happy with the job we have done but we might not know for months because these ballots are going to be all over. Look what happened in manhattan, new jersey, virginia, and other places, theyre not losing 2 workers, they are losing 30, 40 . It is a fraud and a shame. Can you imagine where they say you have to have your ballot in by november 10th, november 10th, that is tweet 7 days after the election. All run by democrats. All and by democrats. It is a rigged election. You have been charging for months that mail in balloting will be a disaster, you say it is rigged and leads to fraud that in 2018 in the last Midterm Election 31 Million People voted mail in voting, a quarter, more than a quarter of all the voters that your, after ballots by mail. Now that millions of mail in ballots and gone out what are you going to do about it and are you counting on the Supreme Court including a Justice Barrett. Counting on them to look up the ballots definitely. I hope we dont need them in terms of the election itself but for the ballots i think so because what is happening is incredible. I read today where at least one of the ballots for 2016 were invalidated. They take them, we dont like them. A millions of ballots going out right now do a solicited ballot. Im asking about the fact that millions of people ago and vote. You either do a solicited ballot where you are sent to get in, they are sending it back. They have mailmen with lots did you see what is going on, look at west virginia, mailman selling the ballots, being sold, being dumped in rivers. This is a horrible thing for our country. There is no evidence this is not going to end well. Mail in ballots for the last decade or more, 5 including two republicans states, you dont have to solicit the ballot, it is sent to your home. Saying it has to be a postmark by election day. If it doesnt get in, it still should be counted. Hes just afraid of counting the votes. He is so wrong. Excuse me. The biggest problem with mail in voting has not been fraud historically, it has been sizable numbers, hundreds of thousands of ballots i thrown out because theyve not been properly filled out. The question i have is are you concerned that the Supreme Court with Justice Barrett will settle any dispute . Im concerned any court will settle this because heres the deal. When you file, when you get a ballot and fill it out you are supposed to have an affidavit, if you didnt know, have someone say this is me, you should be able to. If in fact you can verify that is you, before the ballots thrown out that is sufficient to count the ballots if someone made a mistake, not dotting the correct eye. Who they voted for, testify, say they voted for, say it is you, that is totally legitimate. I have a final you know it cant be done and already reporter gentlemen, final question. In eight States Election workers are prohibited by law even beginning to process ballots, even take them out of the envelopes until election day. That means it is likely because theres going to be huge increase in mail in balloting that we are not going to know on Election Night who the winner is, it could be days, it could be weeks until we find out who the new president is. For the Vice President i hope neither of you will interrupt the other, will you urge your supporters to stay calm during this extended period, not to engage in any civil unrest and will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified . I merging my supporters to going to the polls and watch carefully because that is what has to happen. I merging them to do it. As you know today there was a big problem. In philadelphia they went into watch, poll watchers, safe, nice thing, they were thrown out, werent allowed to watch, you know why, because bad things happen in philadelphia, bad things and im urging, i merging my people. I hope it will be a Fair Election. If it is a Fair Election im 100 on board but if i see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated i cant go along with that. It means you have a fraudulent election. 80 million ballots, they are not equipped, these people arent equipped to handle it. Number 2, they cheat. They found ballots in a wastepaper basket 3 days ago and they all had the name military ballots, all had the name trump on them. Will you urge your supporters to stay calm while the vote is counted and will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified. Yes. Heres the deal. We count the ballots as you pointed out. Some of these ballots in some states cant be opened until election day and if theres thousands of ballots will take time to do it. Our military, they have been voting by ballots since the end of the civil war, that is what is going to happen. Why is it for them somehow not fraudulent. It is the same process. It is honest, no one has established at all that there is fraud related to mail in ballots, that somehow it is a fraudulent process. Look at carolyn maloneys race. They have no idea. He has no idea what hes talking about. The fact is i will accept it and he will too because once the winner is declared after all the ballots are counted, all the votes are counted that will be the end of it. That we the end of it and if it is me fine. If not i will support the outcome and i will be a president not just for the democrats but for republicans. This guy will you say that is the end of it. We believe that there, to be continued in more debates as we go on, donald trump, Vice President biden. It has been an interesting hour and a half. Thank you both for participating in the first of three debates you agreed to engage in. We think Case Western Reserve University for hosting this event, next debate sponsored by the commission of president ial debates will be one week from tomorrow october 7th at the university of utah in salt lake city, the two Vice President ial nominees, mike pence and Kamala Harris will debate at 9 00 pm eastern, we hope you watch. Until then thank you and good night. 96 minutes after beginning we have an answer to one of the questions. It was yes, fiery, from the beginning, donald trump coming out swinging, former Vice President joe biden at times answering directly to the camera talking to the American People, multiple questions, multiple dustups. It felt like we covered a lot of territory. Chris wallace at times had to say we got to get the rains back here and both candidates as they are waving, doctor jill biden and milania trump speaking over each other, you wonder who won and who lost, a lot of analysis but you wonder if america may be lost on the substance, the heart of the issues and whether we got them over that. It was a time all to us back and, they both dove in really hard and i think obviously there was a ton of talking over each other. As far as the bottom line goes with regard to joe biden trying to challenge the president of the United States to become the next president none of the pitfalls that were discussed. He acquitted himself well, they were points that were point by point in terms of issues but none of them big, nothing embarrassing in terms of his ability to get through this, a big embrace and hug with his wife and he will feel like he is in the game as the process moves forward with 2 more debates to go. We have been through something. You at home may feel it too. It was quite something to watch and go through, not knowing what is going to happen next which our allstar panel, britt hume, donna brazile, one williams, katie have which and karl rove. What a brawl it was from start to end. I think if you were judging this the winner was the person who displayed the greatest force of personality, you would declare donald trump the winner because he was like a bucking bronco through the whole thing. Im not sure that people at home would find that all that appealing. After Vice President biden one of the Big Questions the tongue over him was whether the age and forgetfulness and confusion that has overtaken him at times would assert itself tonight. As far as i can see it did not. He held up very well, at times he was thrown off stride by the president s interruptions but who wouldnt have been. Dont know how many minds were changed or if any minds were changed, biden came across as competent and trump came off as an enormously forceful personality and of strength is what youre looking for maybe people would judge him the winner. Your thoughts as we watch the room clear out here tonight, kind of quiet in the sense that there were not as many people is usually get these things, didnt have people chiming in during the middle of this, and that was something, you could feel the absence of but your thoughts on how these two men said tonight. It is a shame we did not play the bingo drinking game. We would all be a little loose. Instead if you lamp when you watch that, like being on a bucking bronco. I feel joe biden cleared the very low bar set for him. He had more to lose than trump had to gain and he held on. I dont know if that changed any minds but if you were a democrat concerned about biden falling flat tonight you dont have to worry about that going forward, donald trump came very prepared, had some great lines but something he kept doing was interrupting joe biden when joe biden might have been about to stumble on the one yard line and those moments didnt happen. Joe biden spent a lot of time talking directly to the camera, also said something people have been wondering about in terms of being pulled too far to the left say im the Democratic Party, donald trump was good on specifics especially law and order, judges, veterans and military and he could parry with joe biden on Something Like the Green New Deal. At the end of this im not sure if any minds were changed but maybe is good for both candidates the majority of americans said their minds are already made up. Last cycle, the preponderance after the first debate that Hillary Clinton won hands down. In the wake of those the beta turns towards donald trump, the election did. How do you see this debate . Does the forcefulness, the aggressiveness play in places donald trump needs them to play . I think the partisans on each side got something they wanted which is there guy came out charging. A friend of mine said it would be one guy showed up for a boxing match and another guy showed up for World Wrestling brawl, they both showed up for the wrestling brawl. Im not certain it was very edifying to the viewers particularly those trying to figure out who to vote for. Both candidates touched on what they did, trump as president , bidens Vice President but neither one spent much time talking about a forwardlooking vision. Is one point biden talked about his climate plan, heres what im going to do but there was no consistency on the part of either one of them. They interrupted each other, the president started it, biden retaliated and what got to me was biden shifting into namecalling, called the president is one point a racist, accused him of using racist dog wheels, call them a clown, so you shut up, man. When he says man it is a tell. When he says come on, man, it is a big tell, hes about to lose his temper and he came close to losing it but all in all im sure each side is walking away saying our man was strong, not sure the voters will say that helps me make up my mind. A lot more to digest. We will take a quick break, back with more analysis of this, the first very fiery president ial debate live. One day well look back and remember the moment that things, for one strange time in our lives, got very quiet. Some lost work and invented new ways to get by. Others were busier than ever, and found strength they never knew they had. We sheltered with the people who matter most, sometimes finding how far apart wed drifted. We worried over loved ones, over money, over our planet. And over takeout. And we found a voice one the noise out there had kept quiet. When the world starts spinning again, lets remember this time where none of us felt secure, and fight for a future where everyone can. Because when the world seems like its standing still. Thats the perfect time for us to change it. fisherman vo ce how do i register to vote . Ential election. Hmm . Hmm . Hmm . woman on porch vo can we vote by mail here . grandma vo youll be safe, right . daughter vo yes four girls vo the polls voted grandma vo go out and vote its so important man at poll vo woo grandma vo its the most important thing you can do . I got it all from you im always pushing through i know well make it to the finish line i know youre waiting on the other side im like you ondemand glucose monitoring. Because theyre always on. Another lifechanging technology from abbott. So you dont wait for life. You live it. President trump you or almost the lowest in your class. Dont use the word smart with me. Give me a break. Theres nothing smart about you. 47 years youve done nothing. Shannon there you have it. One of the moments that was a take away from the first president ial debate in cleveland. Back with our panel. Your thoughts as you look back on tonight. Were any minds changed in that 5 percent8 of americans who say they are still making up their minds . I think they will watch the next debate for a few minutes and turn it off. It was a hectic db. I wanted chris to take command of the conversation because this is an important moment with millions affected with covid19, millions unemployed and yet the candidates couldnt seem to get their answers in. The president knows how to inject himself, he knows how to interrupt but what i was most pleased with at times joe biden going back at him looked in the camera and said this is what i will do. It was hectic but we have another one coming up and maybe it will be a little better. There a biden supporter saying he shouldnt be on the stage. What your thoughts on tonight . Given there was a lot of defense rather than offense in terms of what we see in the future from joe biden i think the American People deserve to hear from him again and hear more detailed answers about what he has planned for the country. It was a reflection how joe biden has struggled to marry the leftist progressive wing of the party with a moderate democrats he won in the primary. Tonight when he was asked about packing the Supreme Court he refused to answer that question, denied supporting the Green New Deal when his Vice President ial nominee cosponsored the Green New Deal with Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and he had a hard time articulating his economic plan how he would get the country out of the recession weve been in as a result of the coronavirus with a point of fact. The president did not say in terms of charlottesville that there was good meal not to use at the rally. He said there were good people on both sides in terms of debating whether statues should come down but he condemned neonazis and White Supremacists during the statement about charlottesville. We should be clear that should not be repeated as the truth but in terms of joe biden he should give the American People a second shot for everyone to see. Some discussion about the manifesto, outreach from joe biden when he won the nomination to Bernie Sanders and the people who supported him. It does have a lot of free housing, free college in that and he said there is no manifesto, i am not signed up for that. How will that play on that arm of the Democrat Party . Clearly, and effort at conciliation between the sanders and Biden Campaign and changes made to the platform much less a manifesto. You are seeing an attempt, you have even seen some efforts by Ernie Sanders to say joe bidens approach is not my approach and biden is a democrat in sanders self identifies as a socialist. You knew there would be differences but trying to bring those two together is something the president tried to exploit tonight repeatedly. I thought it was not a very of lightning debate. I thought it was to my mind unbelievable that you have the president of the United States and i am debating you the moderator as well as him, got into it with Chris Wallace and then he tried to steamroll, run over joe biden. For me if you look at the issues, if you are an american looking at this and saying what about covid19 . What was said that can help me . I didnt see that the president was able to say heres what im going to do to help with the covid19 crisis, joe biden responds and says it is what it is because of who you are, mister president and again lets look at the racial issue. When talking about race the issue of Racial Sensitivity Training the president says it is radical and joe biden says we have to deal with the fact we have differences in this country. I dont think it changed a lot of minds that disappointed me in terms of the quality of debate from these two. He crosses party lines, what a lot of people are saying tonight. We will be back with more from final thoughts and then sean hannity coming up after this. Robinhood believes now is the time to do money. Without the commission fees. So, you can start investing today wherever you are even hanging with your dog. So, what are you waiting for . Download now and get your first stock on us. Robinhood. Remember when one is a remember when it was a big deal when george hwb bush when it took place. Making fun of walter mondales age and he left off and went on, back to the campaign trail tomorrow this thing goes on. The sure to catch up october 7th for special coverage of the Vice President ial debate in utah. I will see you at 7 00 eastern. Sean hannity is up next. I am the Democratic Party right now. Are you willing to tell the American People, ending the filibuster or packing the court. Radical left. A lot more will diameter gets a lot smarter. 47 months i paid millions of dollars