Must be talking to don jr. So he erased them. The expert is going through them trying to figure out a few things like is is a recording of a recording . That he cut it off at the time the . Did to go back to laboratory whatever he had and cut it off . Harris it didnt stop there, also went after cohen reclaim the president knew about that 2016 trump tower meeting between Trump Campaign officials and a russian attorney. Giuliani says its flatout not true. Is wild, crazy, and are out of their minds. He did not participate in any meeting of the russian transaction. The other meeting said he was never there. At least four separate witnesses who say that against a guy who has been proven to be one of the biggest liars in america. Harris one top democrat is not dismissing Michael Cohens
allegations. Senator Patrick Leahy says its time for donald trump jr. To come back before the Senate Judiciary committee to answer them, but this time in public under oath. What do you think . Where are we . Is the story moving forward where we mired in an angry x attorney . Guy i can tell you this. A place at the president does not want to be is having his current Attorney Firing back at his longtime attorney. Its not a healthy spot for team trump because Michael Cullen was a trusted fixer and attorney and confidant for many years for President Trump prior to him being president and if he has decided it is in his interest to flip on trump whether hes telling the new truths or inventing new stories to help his own self, save his own skin, and that is a war of words that is not particularly helpful to trump. For example, watching Rudy Giuliani go on tv and pursing whether certain recordings cut off at a certain time and asking why thats the case, not a
A news show featuring the top headlines of the day from pop culture to politics, which are discussed by a rotating panel of four women and one man. He is constantly contradicting himself on television. A couple months ago, he called Michael Cohen an honest man. Harris he did not know about this tape and thats what hes been saying. Adrienne now hes disparaging the credibility of the tape. I think the last person who donald trump and his current attorney would want to criticize is Michael Cullen. Michael cohen knows a lot. Its been his attorney for years. Kennedy they were so terrified and obviously the president and his associates know the content of the meetings that they have with Michael Cohen in his office and some of the phone conversations, if they were so worried, thats where you would come up with radio silence. Not necessarily from democrats. Harris whatever is gettable, he wants it. Speaking whenever i hear the clinton cleaner out there defending the trump, my ears, i just feel like i want to watch them out with something because its also tawdry. Lindsey graham said earlier over the weekend when he said ive been a lawyer for a long time and ive never seen a lawyer behave this way talking about cohen and the fact that he recorded all of these conversations with clients and now hes saying the reason why he did this is because he like to record things rather than taking notes. I dont buy that, thats not what lawyers do. Harris our senior judicial analyst here at fox news said. He has said that it is actually not rare that people would do this because of the phone devices that people might record to help take notes. It makes it easier contemporaneously. You can get an assistant to help you transcribe. They said it wasnt uncommon. Guy is an interesting conversation to have about the tape because of the president s voice on one of them. Harris wouldnt you tell the president that you were recording him if he were his
confidant . Guy you assume trump would be understandably upset to learn that he was surreptitiously recorded by his own attorney and that tape is now leaking to cnn. As a nightmare scenario. I just want to make one point, rudy now has gone on tv twice today on our network and another one saying that collusion is not a crime. Was is a change or a pivot from there is no collusion. And im sitting here watching rudy and im wondering is this rudy being the pundit or is this a new legal strategy . They have insisted and sworn top to bottom there was no collusion, and if the president top lawyer now is out there ceding this messaging on television that collusion wouldnt be a crime, that seems like a bit of a change and on fox friends, rudy said President Trump was not at that meeting. Donald trump was not at that meeting. That was never the allegation. Not that he was there, thats an odd denial of something that no one is alleging. Adrienne you bring up such a great point because it is
sit down for an interview with a Special Counsel. Here is giuliani earlier. Are you still having negotiations with his team . Not yet. Those are yet not . We havent heard anything, i dont know why. They can write a report without him, they do not need President Trumps they have two aspects of this. Collusion, they have his side of the story. Even as russian meeting, im happy to tell them he wasnt there. Harris all this is new polling from cbs news shows many of the president s supporters have his back in the Russian Investigation was about 70 calling the Russian Investigation now the witch hunts. And this comes as the president goes on the attack on the Special Counsel again, it happened yesterday, he tweeted this. There is no collusion. The Robert Mueller rigged witch hunts headed now by 17 angry democrats was started by a fraudulent dossier paid for by
cricket hillary and the dnc. Therefore, the witch hunt is an illegal scam. Just real quickly, that number increased from 13 angry democrats including one Obama White House attorney to now 17, just clarifying that. Is Robert Mueller ever going to release his conflicts of interest with respect to President Trump including the fact that we had a very nasty and contentious Business Relationship . I turned him down to head the fbi. One day before the appointment as Special Counsel. In our own chief White House Correspondent john roberts says while there are still discussions on going, the president s legal team is now leaning toward not having the president sit down for an interview. I dont know that changes much. The facts are fresh. Guy will her wand has been the ongoing saga now for months. I feel like ive been sitting on his Couch Debating whether he will earn will not. Harris the president said it politically. I havent heard in attorney say its a great idea to sit down. Guy will go out there and say id love to talk to him. Every attorney has said do not do that so i would be very surprised of this interview were to happen. Theres a lot to unpack there in the president s tweets, im confused about what this nasty conflict that he is alleging no now. At a golf club is something that we are hearing about. If the idea was that Robert Mueller was too biased to preside over this investigation because of golf club fees disputes from years ago, its odd to bring that up now, the highlight that. Melissa weve heard that before but im really stuck on what you said before because now i heard really giuliani, it sticks out like a sore thumb. When he said it again, he wasnt at the meeting. So hes now saying that intentionally like that was a mistake, he sang it intentionally to different places, probably means he knew about the meeting other change changing the wording now. Kennedy is also talking about the parameters of collusion. That has been the basis of his
negotiation with muellers team. We will talk about collusion, we will not talk about obstruction. If you remember, the 50 questions that were leaked to the potential he came from federal counsel, it was how did you feel when Jeff Sessions offered his resignation . How did you feel when you heard that George Papadopoulos was drunk and very chatty with London Business executives . Harris i just love to hear kennedy do this. Kennedy it seems like an amateur therapist talking you about your fees and not the president of the United States. Guy it was like a paraphrase. Adrienne it was not leaked from mueller, exactly. Kennedy it also wasnt refuted from muellers team. Harris absolutely fair and true. We talk about his team not having any leaks. Kennedy he has come out. Harris she cant do the other 47 questions. I just kind of want to get an idea because we saw a lot of twitter activity from the
president , and weve heard from his attorneys, you pointed out twice on a monday already, so what does that tell us about what we know . Melissa it is very aggressive, mix if you like something is coming. Harris thats a Rudy Giuliani homework, that aggressive legal appetite. Speak your thinking maybe this is a result of doing too many interviews too early in the morning or a little bit all over the place but its consistently different now. Adrienne i think were looking at two things here, number one looking at a president who feels like the laws of back are closing in. Harris thats from a democrat perspective. You seem to link this investigation is just going to end. Adrienne we will see. Harris he is also looking at the president s tweets which ive had Legal Professionals tell me that that length of the investigation but by all means, go right ahead. Adrienne im just saying
what i think could be happening, who knows . To the point you just made, muellers team has not leaked anything and they have been radio silent. So first of all, from a democratic perspective, the president feel like the walls are closing in. Secondly, he is also delivering red meat to his base to try to solidify their support has a go into the midterms. Guy there is a chance that this is a frantic effort from the president s team. The walls are closing in, they really scared. Over this president loves brawling, getting out there defending himself, throwing punches or muddying the waters and getting walking over here and having exactly this conversation. Adrienne i dont think thats a smart move. Harris like i wouldve been just a few hours ago but theres no evidence of collusion. Rudy giuliani and his comments have now gotten all of us to talk about even if there is, is not a crime which is completely different and that would be a shift if he wasnt just a thing. The president and Congressional Republicans or does this simply fire up the base . Joe manchin said to be the first democrat senator to sit down with the president Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. This is this is Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer works to block that nomination. How this could affect vulnerable democrats. Harris Breaking News is happening, italys Prime Minister arriving at the white house. Italys Prime MinisterGiuseppe Conte said to be perhaps the closest of allies in europe to support this president , but he is facing an interesting political ground where he is in italy, antiestablishment forces wanting things like closing the door to migrants and questioning the ground rules of italys relationship with the European Union and in favor of closer ties to russia. Those two men now meeting inside the white house, will bring you the news on it as it goes. Melissa in the meantime, senator joe manchin from West Virginia is scheduled to meet with Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh a short time from now, this will make him the First Senate Democrat to do so. Joe manchin is facing a tough
election battle in a state that president won by a huge margin. The meeting comes a Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer is reportedly pushing red state democrats to hold back any support for Brett Kavanaugh as long as possible. Schumer is also calling for the release of cavanaughs time in the white house where he worked his Legal Counsel and Staff Secretary. This morning, Senate Majority number said he will try to delay the process until that demand is met. Watch. The question is what theyre hiding, what are they concealin concealing. I will meet this with mark nominee and will certainly urge my colleagues to vote against him if we are denied those documents. Melissa in the meantime, Senate Republican is warning against an expedition saying they should request documents only relevant to who to who is potential Supreme Court service. I want to ask you about this. If so a bunch of these documents have to do with the time when he was Staff Secretary at the
white house. They say that job is somewhat called it a paper pusher, thats not quite what that is but theyre saying that his job was to not about providing advice, that what it was about is making sure all the documents that were coming from different parts of the Executive Branch that were supposed to get in front of the president got in front of the president and he saw them and then it has nothing to do with his legal thinking. He didnt have any say over how the documents were constructed or what was in them, he was just responsible for getting them to the president. Guy they should strike an agreement about a reasonable document request from the Bush Administration era days but keep in mind, judge kavanaugh has sat on the d. C. Circuit now for 12 years. That is the body of work that is most relevant to his nomination to the u. S. Supreme court. I think its interesting to see him as the first democrat to come in this guy has been a nominee for a month, the democrats are finally getting around to actually meet with him and he is in a very tough spot because there was a poll that came out that polled four red states that democrats currently
hold one senate seat in. Three of them are up for reelection this year, in West Virginia, his state by 25point margin. The people of that state want to see him confirmed. In north dakota, which is where Heidi Heitkamp is running for reelection, it is plus 38 in favor of kavanaughs confirmation and also a big Double Digit Number in alabama and indiana as well. There was going to be immense pressure brought to bear on these red state democrats from the republican party, from their opponents, and meanwhile Chuck Schumer is over here saying please give us time for a fishing expedition, they have nothing, lets be honest. And if they want to find something to hang their hat on and theyre asking these red state democrats to march along with schumer and company to give them that the lang. Harris are not just asking them, look at dick durbin, look at some of the other democrats. They are saying will fall on your sword for the cause. What is the cause exactly when you have opportunity, youre looking at a nominee that has
300 opinions that you could read through. Lets say you do get all those documents, i dont know if you can read it all by october 1st bill is not protest too much because i dont think anybody read all of that health care legislation. But you look at these things and democrats have an opportunity to get on the record and meet with him and ask all the questions. Its money, its dirty. In adrienne first of all, i think everything a United States senator regardless of Party Affiliation said meet with him. But of course, democrats and the public and should be doing the same thing. We want as much information as we can get on him, that includes his emails and documents from his time in the Bush Administration. When elena kagan was going through her Supreme Court nomination, the tables were turned and republicans sought as much information on her. Harris they met with her, was of the situation where a month and we are waiting for one im a guy her position was Solicitor General which is popular for the u. S. Government
who argues for the supreme cour. The job was specifically related to working the Supreme Court. Adrienne you should certainly make the argument that his time is very applicable. Harris i think others are making that argument which is directly why they went to george w. Bush to find out if he would release the paperwork that they are looking for. Melissa it seems like a ridiculous question with the Staff Secretary. That stuff has nothing to do with his legal perspective. It was about getting papers together. Adrienne thats assistant to the president. Speak to them he asked kennedy, is it suicide for these democrats when you hear the numbers back i if they vote against kavanaugh . Is it automatic suicide or just one issue for them . Kennedy they have to think are they really representing their state . Is so frustrating when we have these conversations because they are so far from the focus of what these meetings should be which is the United States constitution. It is the judicial branch, it is
holding the other two branches accountable, and asking some of those major philosophical questions which i have the opportunity to do. Stay when we got Breaking News right now, and weve been talking about the attorney for the president of the United States, Rudy Giuliani. And he is now on the telephone with us. Mr. Giuliani, youre with us . How are you . Harris im doing fantastic and i know you have your hands full with a whole lot and i went to get right to the questions if i can. Do you want to first on earth with the statement because we certainly want to talk about whats happening this morning so take it away. Lets begin and with that someone said today there is no collusion and therefore that collusion also is no crime, ive been saying that very beginning, its a very familiar lawyers argument that the alternative, my client didnt do it and even if he did it, its not a crime. And i have said that over and over. Collusion is not a crime. The only crime is hacking and is ridiculous to think of the president hacked. Why do i say that . I say that to attack the legitimacy of the investigation because it has become Crystal Clear this investigation that began with peter strzok has been continued as an illegitimate investigation and someday, we may have to prove it is. Second thing that i wanted to correct, said why would we attack cohen, he can do terrible things. He could not do terrible things. We are fully confident that he has no evidence that would indicate the president. We have listen to three unique conversations which are all the ones that i would like them to be out of the public to hear them, but i cant do that. I can only respond to the ones that they leak out every time we do, we prove our case that the president did nothing wrong and when i said to him with a decent man, i had no reason not to think he was. All of a sudden, i find out the
man is taking his client, he is lying to him and hiding tapes, that he had lied and that i find out from listening to these tapes a lot of other things we dont know yet. But i think ive got a scandal on my hands. And of course, im not going to have my client attacked by a scoundrel. Harris i want to unpack that a little bit. First of all, lets start off with a collusion because what you said was he wanted to correct yourself and what we had you in two interviews today saying what appeared to be a shift was that you said collusion would not be a crime. But what youre now correcting for the record as i understand, is that you have said all along that there was a, no collusion and then b of their work collusion, it would not be a crime. Is that correct . Stay back there may be some sentences and that 40 minute interview that i didnt say both at the same time. Its similar. We say the flint conversation never took place with comey but
if it did take place, you can ask a prosecutor to go easy on somebody. Harris so we got that one point, he went on to a couple of others but i want to skip ahead to Something Else which seemed also like a shift today. And that was the tower, the trump tower meeting with the russian officials who were here to meet with donald junior, donald trump jr. And others from the Trump Campaign. In that meeting at trump tower there, it has been a question because of Michael Cohen now saying that he was willing to go on the record with Russia Investigation had Robert Mueller to save the president knew that meeting was going to take place. What we heard you say today was the president was not at that meeting. That actually takes on a question that has not been asked or even suggested. So why did you say that . Because there were two different meetings, one of which has big doubt and the other one who has given the three reporters, beating up excellent
take you through it. The day of the meeting with the russians, cohen has said, he liked it so we are not even sure he said it. Somebody set up for him the reporter. He said that he was in President Trumps office in donald trump walked in, that is categorically untrue. Didnt happen, two witnesses demonstrate that. He has talked about this endlessly on those 193 unique recordings and he never mentions it at all. He would have it had anything to do with anything. The reason he is saying its one of the few things he can lie about where the tapes dont contradict, but the testimony of other people does. Second, there was another meeting that has been leaked that hasnt been published yet. That was an alleged meeting three days before according to
be 13 or according to the leak, maybe cohen will withdraw this, i dont know. They havent pursued it. And two publications are not going to publish it. I think they found independent contradiction. He says it was a meeting with donald, jr. , with jared kushner, with paul manafort, possibly to others. In which they out of the presence of the president discussed the meeting with the russian. We checked with their lawyers, the ones we could check with, that meeting never took place, it didnt happen. Its a figment of his imagination or hes lying. The only meeting that they find for that day that included any of these people is a meeting about the hispanic judge that the president had criticized back around that time. So that hopefully set the record straight. Harris let me just ask it this way. To you now told us about two
meetings, there was one that the public knows about, which when you talk about a meeting and you say the president wasnt there, thats the one that everybody would assume that we are on the same page about what youre saying now is that there was another meeting that was leaked that has not been made public and i would assume until now, really described by you in detail that have been three days prior that had done, jr. , jared kushner, paul manafort, gates, and possibly to others and thus the meeting that Michael Cohen says the president knew about the head of time, but you say the president was not there. But i dont know. All i have are two reports telling me cohen told him there was a meeting three days before with a group of people that i said that they discussed it and that the president was not there. He didnt say the president knew about it. I am telling you the meeting didnt take place, never happened, he had to handle it himself. Second, theres another leak, this one is out, and this one, he says he was in donald Trumps Office when donald trump jr. Walked in and told him about a russian meeting that was about to start. That is also not true. Melissa this is Melissa Francis and i just want to jump in. I dont think any of that really addresses the question of why he would say he wasnt at the meeting . Why are you saying that the president wasnt at the meeting . I understand those two meetings that you just set out there, but that doesnt explain why youre saying. Who asked if he was there . No when asked if he was there. He is alleging the meeting took place and we are making it clear that the president was not at that meeting. Cohen doesnt even allege that the cut it off. Two alleged meetings, first meeting, a group people, not the
president , that group of people says the meeting didnt take place, who alleged it is cohen and secondly, president s office, in walks donald trump jr. , says let me meet with the russian, never took place, didnt happen. Melissa neither of them happen, is different to say that meeting didnt happen to say it didnt happen but to say he wasnt there implies that it happened and he wasnt there. Is alleged by a liar. As alleged by cohen. Harris they understand that. I went to get to this, mr. Giuliani just so that everybody is on the same page. There was a meeting that witnesses saw. It wasnt really secret, they walked into trump tower, people went into that meeting. What do you say today about that meeting that we know of and don jr. Was at that meeting, this is the first one, not the second, what is your latest take on that as you get ready
potentially to decide whether the president will sit down with Robert Mueller separate from anything . I just want to get you back on the record about that meeting. That meeting that did take place, they did in take place anywhere near that. That meeting that we are talking about with the russian woman and the other russian did take place, its been described already by donald, jr. , its been described by i think jared, im not sure. But they came, they were supposedly going to be some Bad Information about Hillary Clinton, didnt have any, the meeting was over and it was never followed up. In the president didnt know about that meeting beforehand. Harris and thats the one that people really key in on and youve given us some information about things that are not in the bloodstream of america yet and now they are. And as we learn more, we have kai benson who was with us today and he has a couple of followups if you can hang on for just one second. Guy thank you so much for calling in. I just want to make this Crystal Clear for the audience because there are so many meetings, its hard for all of us to keep track of. So the questions are very simple, number one, regardless of whether or not collusion would be a crime, is it still the position of you and your client that there was no collusion with the russians whatsoever on behalf of the Trump Campaign . Correct. Guy Second Question is, of that meeting that we knew about at trump tower with the russians and highlevel people within the trump world, the Trump Campaign at the time, you were saying again for the record that the president ial nominee, donald trump at the time did not know about the existence of that meeting prior to it occurring. Im glad you asked that a very, very clear, yes. Let me make one slight amendment when i say the Trump Campaign, i mean the upper levels of the Trump Campaign. They have no reason to believe anybody else did. The only people i checked with of the top four or five people. Harris kennedy is here too, she wants to get in the question but before we go there, want to follow up with something that you said because you said one of the meetings that may not have happened according to Michael Cohen had donald, jr. , jared kushner, paul manafort, these wouldve been the upper people in the Trump Campaign that youre talking about in your amendments here. Correct. Kennedy mayor giuliani. They have all denied it. Kennedy i want to ask you more broad question because we have heard some of the parameters that you have laid out for the president sitting down in an interview with Special Counsel. What does a Special Counsel want from you . What are some of the guidelines that they have given you a . What are they requesting from you from the president . I cant go into all the details. Number one because he want to keep it as privileged, not privileged or confidential as possible. Second, the keep changing. It keeps changing. The central parameters of it are we believe they are not entitled to ask any questions about obstruction because obstruction is could not have happened. Under article two of the constitution. The president had a right to fire comey, hes got ten good reasons, he cant go try to construct another good reason another trying to do it by looking at tweets. Ive never heard of obstruction by tweets. If they want to talk about collusion, which as i told you, we are very clear on. We might allow some questions about that. We didnt think they were trying to trap them. And thats what we have been negotiating. If theres some area where we can agree, it would be helpful to them and we wouldnt feel like being trapped. Harris mr. Giuliani come at this point, we do have a Democrat Cast on our cash today, adrienne elrod, worked very closely with a Hillary Clinton
camp and one of the things that we have learned via adrian and other democrats is that there is this thought that we might be coming more to a close with the investigation that mueller has. Knowing what you know, and we dont know all of what he has, are you now a yes or no on a sit down between the president and Robert Mueller . Two things, no want to sit down until we get ironed out exactly what they want to do. And then the process is, we have five cocounsel, senior people, we will advise the president , he decides. And hes always leaned in favor of doing it. Be when what youre telling him about that . What advice are you giving him . Right now, im telling him no way. The five as a politician or as a lawyer . As a lawyer. I can be a politician, its too confusing if you try to be both. And that was a very good question because theres a whole
political when you represent and the president , youre not as representing and theres a whole political aspect of this, however, i do think the Political Climate has changed a bit and i think people will understand much better now and maybe one of the reasons we reemphasize the point about the legitimacy of the investigation is we want to show that maybe he shouldnt be testifying at an investigation that has been no legitimacy. So i agree with the woman you mentioned, that i have the sense that he is near the end, i dont know that. He hasnt said that. He did say one thing that i can sort of support that with him at two months ago, back before all of this stuff happened, he was aiming at beginning of september at the time to get the report, he never said it, but i thought he was thinking of the november election. Harris interesting. To grow quickly, can i just do a
fastball up, you say that you think the Political Climate has changed in terms of whats Happening Now with the president , how so and why . I think going back, rewind, you didnt have the raid on the 13, he didnt have the horwitz report, the beating up on the legitimacy of the Hillary Clinton investigation and also the beginnings of the Counterintelligence Investigation against the Trump Campaign. Because hes never been a subject of that. But im not sure i know what that means. The way that they define it. And it seems to me that we are at a natural ending point now and i hope it happens because ultimately, remember, he can indict. Harris he said he wouldnt. He said he would in any way. He did, youre right. That means he writes a report,
hes got plenty to write a report. Melissa can i ask you quickly . This is Melissa Francis again. I just want to clarify, youre talking about a second meeting that you say was going to possibly come out in the media, but it didnt happen, so now it is not going to surface as a meeting and it didnt happen. And thats one one where you d. Walked into President Trumps office . So the Public Record contains a leak by cohen that he was present at a Meeting In Which Donald Junior came in and informed the president , we deny that happen, we say didnt happen and if it had happened, it wouldve been mention a long time ago on the various outlets of tapes that we have. The second meeting was brought to my attention from jay sekulow, both of us out with it with two different reporters,
essentially the same information about at this meeting that took place three days early with a whole group of people, everyone of those people said it didnt happen and why did i mention it . Because first of all, i thought it was going to come out, second, my experiences that when you have Something Like this floating around, it comes out. I dont want to come out and be unreported when it originally comes out. If its part of what we are trying to do, the jury for this case of the american public. The congress, yes, the congress is a creature Public Opinion and how its being shifted. 22 net for the president. Meaning disapproval of his investigation has gone up, some polls have it over 50 , used to be down to 37 or 38, and in the president s division has shifted by about an equal number including his approval rating. So it seems to me there be more
understanding why you might not just run in their and testify. Also, all of you put on so many lawyer and say we would be out of our minds of it but the president up for questioning come of it has to affect the public. I tell the president if we make you testify, we are going to get disbarred. Harris its interesting what you say and people may watch this and wonder okay, so theyre getting there influence from fox news or other media, but the actual truth of the matter is there a lot of people both sides of whatever political idol that you might drop to say in a Legal Profession separating out the politics should be crazy to put your client into a situation when you know that he is not economic with his words. And it might get a little dicey and who would do that with your client . So if you have separated the two hats that you wear because you were formally a politician. I want to go back grow quickly just to something that you said. Of euros and a doctor coming after be able to represent the doctor. He cant pretend youre not. And also, if you are not the president , the advice would be clear, he would not be testifying as normally as you know, defendants dont testify in grand jurys for the prosecutor. They got to make up their minds without that. Harris just going back to something you just said post to melissas question, why do you feel is necessary to get on the record with things that havent been asked yet . Or that are not public yet . What is coming . When i thought it was going to be published, i wanted to get out in front of it. And the reality is that i cant comment on the dates and less for the situation unless we are attacked, we are not allowed to do that so we were being attacked and i would actually my life would be a lot easier if everyone of of those tapes was out there. If you had all the transcripts. But i cant do it. Harris can i get this straight though . The reporting this morning is that theres only one reporting but the president s voice on it yet you talk about it and i wrote it down, 183 tapes or recordings. What is on those that would be so different if they dont contain the president and even if you dont name names and you probably cant, its a big question. It is, but its easy to answer. There are only 12 recordings of any substance, 11 of them. The others are coming back, see you later, the president of this today, the president did that today. Some of them have little substance to them but nothing harmful. But them aside, there are 12 we would think of as conversations, one of them only when i could mention. Because it has come out publicl publicly. What is the recording of cohen and the president. What is the recording of and the president. The other ten or with other mostly reporters, i think the others, might be some media executives. Harris who was recording these things . The scoundrel. Harris i just want to get this straight, i want to try to understand. Of these recordings and we are assuming that some of them, its not oldschool as kennedy has said, nobody has Cassette Tapes anymore. So these are really recordings and they are probably on a digital device like our phones im assuming, but i think im probably pretty right. You have prints promo with the president for two hours. Is that correct . That is correct. Melissa to the president of that was being recorded . Harris chris comeau and
cohen . And the state of new york, we put that as legal . Yes, legal. Harris and then another tape with cuomo and the president , how long would you say for that one . Cohen in the president , was a 3 minutes. Harris then he said the other ten or so or what . Similar conversations to the one between cohen and colombo. Different reporters, all being deceived about being taped clearly, you can hear it. In a few cases hot, he goes through a major centrifuge which is he takes his phone and he puts it in a drawer and says im not recording this, he must have another phone with which he was recording it. Harris s you can hear him saying after what you called subterfuge, im going to stop this one and put in a drawer. A couple of these he makes a big deal about it. Harris is a lot of information. The one that would be a real problem for him aside from Credibility Problems with the others is the one with his client. The one with President Trump. Kennedy who leaks the tape to cnn . The first one was leaked at the time to michael schmidt, they went on the restaurant, record and said it was in us. It is turn them over to us. They didnt get until a day later. Melissa does chris palma know about this . He knows everything about it, he reported on it. Im not sure hes ever really he was an Off The Record conversation which is kind of silly now because its Off The Record recorded in link to the public. You have to ask him about it. They would grow quickly before we let you go, is there any Legal Recourse that you take on
an Off The Record surreptitious recording . I understand how the laws work here in new york, there are exceptions to the laws, what are you looking at . The ones without the president have no legal implications and they have ethical implications, just for human relationships. The one with the president is a real problem because hes the president s lawyer. And its another subject discussed thats clearly attorneyclient privilege, the one we are talking about is attorneyclient privileged and has to lead to some kind of disbarment proceedings, im sur sure. Harris that is when it is not public yet, that other subject. Although somebody is actually mentioned it, its not worth it. Harris Rudy Giuliani, the personal attorney for the United States president , we appreciate you calling in and thank you very much for taking all of our questions. Also want to understand the
confusion and is going to get more confusing when his other tape start coming out but eventually, when you put them altogether, its going to mean the president did nothing wrong. Harris got it, youve given us some of that information about things that are in the bloodstream yet and some that are not. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Very good, thank you. Harris guy benson, your notebook is full. Guy first of all, can we talk about how extraordinary it is that he called in to the show live after watching her for segment . Harris we can talk about how extraordinary that is because he wanted to get on the record, you and i were talking about the fact that twice already today, he has said if there was collusion, that it wasnt a crime, and he wanted to get in and i were to town, he wanted to correct the record because he said it several times, maybe root was captured and didnt get captured were he actually said there is no evidence of collusion, but if there were it would not be illegal. Guy i just wanted to make sure which as i lie at the very blunt question, are you still saying there was absolutely no collusion and yes, the distiller
position. I would be curious if we had five more minutes with him to ask how he would define collusion, but at least that position appears to be unchanged where is this morning, it looked like the goalposts were shifting and also, on the second part of it, the second meeting, he said trump wasnt at the meeting and we are all sitting here thinking why are you saying that, we know he wasnt at the meeting, no one says he was and now we have learned of a second meeting that apparently has been alleged is about to come out but doesnt exist . Harris hence why he answered a question that has been asked yet. Were like why is he telling us . Guy it still didnt quite make sense. Melissa if the meeting didnt happen, why did you say he was an addict . Guy would say didnt happen. Kennedy was not in studio 54 with abraham lincoln. Harris what i thought was critical here and i called you up because i wanted him to know that we had someone here to and
opened up the possibility for you to ask question as well. But i thought this was really important. I said why do you think the Political Climate has changed for the president such that you would consider doing anything differently in his legal representation . He said that rewind three months, the rate on Michael Cohen, the ig report from horwitz which seemed to beat up on Hillary Clinton and her campaign, and it feels like a natural ending. I come to you on that because if you have raised the point that it also sort of seem like a natural ending for the Russian Investigation by bob mueller. Adrienne he is interviewed so many witnesses that would make one conclude that we are coming to an end. I want to talk with her quickly because i know we dont have much time left but these tapes that he is talking about, the additional tapes that are coming forward is something that is another issue. Harris he said out of the 183 or so that were on point with the issues at hand legally. Guy the Subterfuge Part was really interesting. That he would go for a whole show. Harris fascinating hour of television here on out numbered, we will be back, stay close. When i touch you like this