Thethe alarm and touted their fundraiser as the Justice Department weighs on whether to Climate Change plans, from a ban on fracking and fossil fuse, to indict him for lying. Population control, our panel is the ig said they should come for here with a look at what theyre proposing. An eyeopening message that lets bring in columnist and Andrew Mccabe has to deliver. Deputy editor, dan henninger, its not clear whether that think hes not going to be charged or they just dont care. Paul kyle. A miss to california which is and dan peters. Climate change has been a preparing to enact statewide big issue for democrats for rent control on more than years. Whats different this time . Well, whats changed is the 2 million apartments. There is a tentative agreement ambition has gone way up and to cap rent increases at 5 a this thinking of Political Considerations has gone out the year plus inflation. Window. Paul any . The result will be fewer rental what theyre talking about is carbon free electricity, properties, older buildings, fewer renovation as weve seen totally, 100 by 2030, having in new york city. The United States be completely in the chicago survey of carbon free by 2050 or maybe economists only 2 think rent 2045, how are we going to do that . Were going to spend 2 trillion control works. Whats the definition of or 5 trillion or 16 trillion insanity, doing the same thing, expecting different results in Bernie Sanders case, were going to restructure the gillian. My hi is to hit is to the trp economy, get totally off fossil fuels, weatherize every building in the country. Administration for rolling back paul when they say ban prohibitions on a vai variety of fracking, that basically means banning the drilling method that is currently most used to get light bulbs. Im excited that im going to be able to screw in my light bulb, natural gas and oil out of flip the switch and let freedom american sites, anyway. Right it depends on who you light up my room. Paul George W Bush signed that ask. Some say ban fracking totally, 2007 legislation that made this some say ban it on public lands. Possible, that ban possible. All right. Thank you. Paul how many want to ban it remember, if you have your own hit or miss, be sure tweet it to totally . Most of them want to do that. Us. Thats it for this weeks show. Amy klobuchar said she will look at it case by case. Thanks to my panel and to all of you for watching. The contradiction is theyre im paul gigot. We hope to see you right here talking about Climate Change as if its an existential there. Next week. Theyre talking about it in terms of mobilization to world war ii. That seems to demand some Solutions Like natural gas which is a clean transition fuel or Nuclear Power that theyre ruling out. Or even just lifestyle changes. One of the most compelling arthel good afternoon. Moments for me in the climate iran announcing a new breach of debate or town hall was many of the 2015 nuclear deal, revealing it has started using advanced the candidates were asked do americans need to change their Enrichment Technology had that is barred by the agreement as it diets, cattle, theres a lot of Carbon Emissions from that and warns europe there is not much they basically said no. Time left, thats a quote, to save the deal that president even cory booker, said no eat trump withdrew from last year. Hello, everyone. Whatever you want. Welcome to americas news no need to panic about it. But its an existential there. Headquarters. Im arthel neville. Its hard to square that. Eric thank you for joining us. Im eric shawn. Paul some are proposing a tensions between the u. S. And carbon tax, not too many iran had been increasing this saturday as the regime threatens explicitly. That would be putting a price on to throw out the controversial carbon and raising the price of nuclear deal. All this as it turns up the fossil fuels. Some of our friends on the pressure on europe to propose right, free market economists new terms in the deal if the think thats the best way to go about it. Everywhere its been on the ballot, its failed. It has failed. So you have to ask, how is it, as kyle described, most of these democrats have simply separated themselves from political reality as we know it. Its been very difficult to get a carbon tax through the congress and they just keep outbidding one another on the subject of climate. Paul dan, look, these guys are running for president. Elected office. Theyre political professionals. Presumably they want to win. So why you said they he separated themselves from political reality. Are they trying to lose . The only reality one could identify is them being connected to progressive voters in the democratic primaries, starting early next spring, not in the general election. The one democrat that participated in that town hall that addressed this issue was a amy klobuchar, to some extent joe biden. Amy klobuchar said look, we are running the risk of alien ating workers, Union Workers who have benefited from the Carbon Economy and some of the deregulation that donald trump has done during his presidency. She didnt mention that but she said we cant risk driving these Union Workers and people in the carbon industry into the trump camp. She is the only one who is suggesting anything connected to winning the general election in 2020. The others are totally focused on those primary voters. Paul kim, what has happened to the Democratic Coalition over the last 10, 20 years, that has caused this kind of enormous monumental shift . It seems as if theres its almost become even litmus test isnt adequate as an explanation, its just something that the democrats feel they must embrace or theyll not have a chance at he getting the a gee nomination. I think some of this is resentiment. Resentiment over losing. A lot of the progressives out there felt as though Hillary Clinton in the last president ial primary and the establishment ran rough shod over Bernie Sanders. Now theyre flexing their muscles and saying our guys are going to win this time, were going to set the agenda and theyre being theyre not they do care about winning but they care more, it would seem, about seeing their priorities put to the top of the pile. The problem here as dan was alluding to is this was one of the reasons they did lose last time. Remember, Hillary Clinton still says one of the bigger mistakes she made was promising to put a lot of coal workers out of a job. When you talk about banning fracking, when you talk about a carbonfree economy by 2030 or 2050, you are saying we are going to kill every coal job in the country, every oil and gas job, all of the shipping jobs. Were talking about millions of positions. That is not a votegetter out at the polls. Paul joe biden was attacked for having had a fundraiser hosted by someone who invested in natural gas. Is that now taboo . That is taboo. One of the candidates was asked about the spending of his campaign on private flights as he flies to iowa, New Hampshire and these states. Youre going to have these guys take a bus to iowa . [ laughter ] paul maybe thats what they should do, if they have the courage of their convictions. Well, that would be a very Long Campaign and probably not a very successful one. [ laughter ] paul thank you all. As ten of the democratic president ial candidates prepare to square off in houston, a look at who has the most to gain and lose in next weeks showdown. 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Well, in particular, that dynamic that you just mentioned because weve never had all three frontrunners on the stage. We have this unusual situation where Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren seem to have a mutual nonaggression pact and so theyll probably not be going after each other but to the extent to which they and other candidates tag team and beat up joe biden over not being progressive enough, not being clear enough, maybe even a couple of shots over his health and his fitness to take on this position, thats what im going to to see how hard he gets beat on. Paul so joe biden pinata, is that going to be the story line . I dont think so. Not entirely. Everyone will be watching joe biden to see if he makes a gaffe, which is not what people the joe biden should be wanting. They should want their candidate to be making some progress. Hes been kind of static. Paul he hasnt fallen that much. He hasnt fallen that much. And in fact, theres a media narrative here and a voter narrative. The media narrative is about the horse race, who is up and down. The voter narrative is about who can beat donald trump. At the moment, biden looks like that guy. There was a poll out this week that had him 9 points ahead of trump in wisconsin. Thats a pretty big lead. I think a lot of focus will be on Elizabeth Warren. Shes the one who seems to have some momentum now and shes competing with bernie sfor that. Those are two that i think are going to be worthant win the progressive vote. Paul i agree with dan on warren. Shes been rising in the polls and yet shes pretty much been off limits. The liberal h press just her. Shes been ambiguous on where stands some of the issues. If you look at the fine print, on medicare for all, shes not there on all the he details. Do you think anybody on the kamala harris, for example, cory booker, will go after her for that . Maybe. Kamala harris is an interesting example. She had a sharp attack against joe biden in one of the early debates and has fallen off the map. She could be a wild card coming out and trying to stick a knife in somebody here, to get herself back rising in the polls. But i agree with kim. A lot of the focus is going to be on joe biden. Hes has been steady at a third of the vote through this whole thing. Especially if youre one of the candidates who is in the lower tier and amy klobuchar, somebody like that. Paul you think biden has to fall before they can rise and therefore theyll focus on biden . That seems to be the dynamic thats at at play here. I mean, theyre pitching their ideas to some of the same voters. The tricky thing is, klobuchar, for example, has focused most of her fire throughout the campaign on donald trump, even when in previous debates she has been asked specifically about the candidates standing on the stage next to her, shes always turned it back to donald trump. But the field is narrowing and the debate criteria are rising. If somebody like that wants to stay on the next stage and one after that, they have up their game. Paul lets focus on klobuchar for a second. So many of the other moderates from the previous debates didnt call foqualify for this one. She and biden are probably the most moderate of the Democratic Candidates on some of the biggest issues. This is a moment where she could step up. How could he she do that . What would be your advice on how to stand out . She has to distinguish herself. And she actually has to go after the other people on their positions and point out that they are potential vote losers. Much in the way john delaney said look, i do not think its a good idea for our party to be taking you away health care that people like. Lets fix the problems we have, not make more. And she hasnt really done that so far. She certainly has different positions. But shes just been kind of meh, minnesota nice about expressing where she falls. I think she needs to draw the contrast. She is going to have an amazing chance to do that. She is probably one of the only pragmatic democrats up on stage this time around. Paul i think if biden falls, she might be the one who has a chance to rise up because sanders and the others seem to be competing for the pro egress ive edge of the Progressive Edge of the party. I would say a amy clop char r is plan b for the moderates. My advice would be if you want to do something bold, go after Bernie Sanders. Hes becoming detached from economic reality. His climate plan, 16 trillion, medicare for all, free education. The past week he said well relieve people of medicare bills. I mean, this is socialism on steroids and klobuchar is the one who has always been capable of saying look, we have to be detached to reality, we have to have some sense, convey some sense to the American Voter that were a party that actually has their real interest in heart. Paul anybody else youre looking for . Not really. Sanders is sanders. He hasnt changed. Hes not going to change. Hes selflimiting in that sense. To some extent, i bodie would disagree, seems theres no sense in going after sanders, theres a core base that will not desert them. Paul its a way of defining herself as a pragmatist. As Congress Gets set to return to washington on monday, House Democrats promise more investigations into President Trump. Are they more united on the question of impeachment and a is the window closing on launching an official inquiry . For what yo. Nice. But, uh. Whats up with your. Partner . Not again. Limu thats your reflection. Only pay for what you need. 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What we know now from the majority, i think theres 137 members of the Democratic Caucus that support impeachment, nancy pelosi is a minority in her own caucus and the problem that they have is impeachment is very popular with democrats but its not popular in, say, the 30 seats that were won by trump that gave her a victory. I mean, the two that i paul gave her the majority in the house. The two i look at are conor lamb, he was the harbinger of the new democrat majority, that won a special election in a district that was republican. Hes been on the fence about impeachment, says were not there. My k. Mikey cheryl in new jerseye has not been emphasizing. That. Her argument now to democrats is if trump wins reelection, we really need the house. Again, thats Nancy Pelosis world you view. When the rest of us talk about 2020, we tend to talk about the president ial matchup. Shes talking about the speakership and the house majority. Paul democrats leaked widely they were going to focus on the payoffs to the women accusing donald trump of having an extra marital affair with Stormy Daniels and so on. This has been widely publicized, obviously. Is that a sign of strength or weakness to the impeachment case that theyre moving away from some of this and moving towards which everybody knows, and i dont think its going to work. It looks like its running out of gas. Weve been through the whole thing, the russia narrative, the collusion narrative, the Mueller Report, the Mueller Report didnt give them any ammunition on russian collusion. Then it was going to be obstruction of justice, Robert Mueller appeared before the congress, a completely under u y underwhelmiing performance. Now were down to Stormy Daniels. The election is 15 months away. Its hard to see how theyre going to sustain this narrative for a year andahalf. Paul kim, ray louhan, member of leadership from new mexico, came out for itch peachment a couple for impeachment a couple weeks ago. That was touted as a big break because hes close to pelosi. Hes also running for the senate now and hes being attacked for not having been supporting impeachment. So that may not be as big a deal. But i want to focus on jerry nadler. He says impeachment proceedings already underway. Break the political code here. Whats really going on . Whats really going on is that jerry nadler comes from a very progressive district. He also this was his moment in the sun. He desperately wants to move forward with an impeachment inquiry but nancy pelosi wont let him. She wont let him have the vote. So hes trying to make shies base and his progressive message feel like hes doing something when hes not officially doing it. Look, i think if youre nancy pelosi, this is cutanddry. Okay. Louhan is one thing. You have nazi nancy pelosi or steny hoyer or james clyburn, the top three people in the democratic leadership, move any closer to impeachment. They only have their jobs because theyre in the majority. Nancy pelosi is looking at the 42 members who are in whats called the front line program, they elect democrats and of those 42 fewer than 10 have come out in favor of impeachment an thats because the public is not there. So she wont go there either. Paul i think we have a consistenconsensus this is proba phony war over impeachment. Are they going to pass the usmca . Theyre going to pass gun legislation. Paul do you think it can pass the senate . We dont know. Trump is the big question mark. If Mitch Mcconnell says im not going to have a symbolic vote, if the president says hes for something, then well consider that bill. I think then it will pass. I suspect it to be he watered down, wont satisfy the democrats. Paul usmca, dan . Thats a good question. The usmca, theres divided Union Support for that. Trump loaded up a lot on getting something done on trade. The china trade thing looks like its become more difficult. I think he pelosi and trump could do a deal on that but the question is whether these progressives, the jerry nadler base, sotospeak, would support that and they might not, depriving pelosi of anything to show for the time shes been in control of the house. Paul depriving trump of a victory which may be more important for the progressive. Still ahead, britain heads towards a final brexit showdown as Boris Johnson vows to leave the European Union in october with or without a deal. Well have the very rat latest n his standoff with lawmakers and the fate of his government, next. He knows how to win. Boris knows how to win. Dont worry about him. Hes going to be okay. Lets be honest, insurance can feel a little outdated. The paperwork, the searching for id cards. 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Lawmakers also rejected johnsons request to hold a snap election in october, an issue that will be back on the docket again when parliament meets on monday. Joe sternberg is in london with the latest. Boris johnson wants that hard brexit deadline of october 31st as leverage to go back to the eu and ask for more concessions on a deal. But parliament has stopped him. Who is going to win that fight . Well, right now parliament has won. The news as of friday afternoon over here in london is that the parliament has passed a law basically saying they dont want a no deal exit on october 31s october 31st. So that technically is on the statute books here now and it technically requires Boris Johnson to ask the other european leaders for another extension when they have a summit meeting later in october. I think what has really crystalized this week is a recognition that there is going to have to be an election to try to produce a new parliament that can break the log jam. Now the fighting will be over the timing and will that election happen before the current october 31st brexit deadline which would give johnson an opportunity to pursue no deal, if thats what he wants to do, or will opposition parties manage to push it into november and then really the next brexit deadline would be sometime in january. Paul who do you think is going to prevail in that fight . Because its an oddity certainly for opposition parties who dont hold power to say we dont want an election to see if we can take power. Thats not going to hold out for long. Thats the political dilemma the opposition has right now. Everyone is focused on the difficulty that the Ruling Conservative Party has had both under the previous Prime Minister, theresa may, now under Boris Johnson, in getting their brexit plans through. The opposition parties here are very divided on their strategy and also what form of brexit they want or whether they want another referendum on brexit or whether they want to try to block it entirely. So really all we can say is theres going to be an election. Right now if i had to bet on it, i would think it would be sometime in november. Were discovering the process has become much more unpredictable over the past week. Paul the contradiction, dan, is you had the voters vote for a brexit, 52 slash 48 in 2016, three years ago. But a parliament has never theyve never had a parliament that supported brexit, at least a majority of it. With that being the case, have you to go back to the voters and have an election and fight it out. Yeah. As joe suggested, probably what you need is a new parliament. Its not obvious that a new parliament would be able to come up with a brexit plan. But the interesting thing paul have a better than than now. The interesting phenomenon is Prime MinisterBoris Johnson who took power after theresa may and has staked his premiership on the fact that he is going to do brexit come hell or high water. He says he would rather die in a ditch than delay brexit. And i think theres really beginning to be something trumpian about what hes doing. He decided to separate himself from the metropolitan areas that are probrexit, campaign out in the countryside where there is brexit support the most recent polls showed him being 8 or 9 points ahead of the labor party, thats in large part because of a lot of voters who went off the hashehard brexit party have comk to the tories. The consisten constituencies ind kingdom voted for brexit. There is still a base of support for this idea out there. I think if Boris Johnson can get to that election, hes probably going to end up with a surprising mandate for going ahead with brexit. Paul this week, joe, Boris Johnson and the leadership said the torrey members of parliament who essentially defected on these votes will not be supported by the party now to stand in the next election. Thats a rareity, i mean, to oust essentially from your party as candidates. The current members, elected members of parliament. Good move or not . Well, look, its prompted a lot of handwringing over here who are concerned about whether the conservative party in britain is a broad church party or whether theres room for dissent. The reality is someone has to build a consensus behind some outcome on brexit. This is an interesting comparison to trump. The thought when Boris Johnson came in, it was a personality, he could knock Heads Together in the Current Parliament and get something done. What theyre discovering theres no substitute for winning parliamentary elections along side the refer ru referendum too build a majority behind that. He needs his party to fall in line behind one policy outcome or another. Paul Jeremy Corbin is crosscut on labor on brexit. He might be a liability for the labor party in an election because hes so radical. Well, and again, this is part of the problem that has been dogging this process for three years. The same time people are skeptical about the conservatives, because Jeremy Corbin is leading the main opposition party, theres a lack of trust for that opposition who should be presenting themselves as a viable alternative. So i think theres a real risk. Its a messy election outcome whenever it happens. Paul well follow it closely. Still ahead, as students across the country begin a new year, democrats step up their attacks on school of choice. Whats behind the latest assault, next. Get away from Charter Schools. No federal funding for Charter Schools. With my hepatitis c, i felt i couldnt be at my best for my family. 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Private Charter Schools and Voucher Programs, not a single dime in my administration will go to them. We end federal funding completely for for profit r Charter Schools. Moratorium on all new Charter Schools. Get away from Charter Schools. No federal funding for Charter Schools. Paul nina reece is the president and ceo of the National Alliance for public Charter Schools. Welcome. Good to see you. Thanks for having h having m. Paul the Charter School movement started as a bipartisan movement. Democrats supported it. Barack obama pouterre supported. What happened to turn so Many Democrats against it . The simple answer is the teachers unions are more powerful than ever before when it comes to Democrat Party politics. Over the years, as the reach of Charter Schools has expanded in certain communities, the unions have discovered that because our teachers are not unionized, that they have a fewer share of the market than they had before so increasingly theyre flexing their muscles. In 2016 alone, the National Education association spent over 30 million on federal elections. So to the extent the democrats are vying for the support of the teachers unions, theyve discovered that opposing Charter Schools is one way to get that support. Paul why has the support melted away from some of the pro charter democrats . Okay, theres always been that teacher unio union opposition. Its increased, the spending has increased. Why has the influence increased especially when Charter School results are pretty darn good where theyve been tried. A couple hell more data points, over twothirds of children in Charter Schools are children of color, over 50 are low income students. National polls have consistently shown that support among black democrats and hispanic democrats for Charter Schools is extremely high. For black democrats, its 50 , for hispanics its roughly 50 . The support is there. Unfortunately, in some of these communities, i think the backlash has had its roots in the establishment, the Establishment School districts and the teachers unions in particular are flexing their muscles and reacting to the pressure of students leaving the system to go to these theyre remaining in the Public School system, which is what we want, but those schools have more independence. They have more autonomy to hire the best teachers, to expand the school day and the school year without having to negotiate with a central bureaucracy. That flexibility is paramount to the achievements theyre gaining and that is disrupting the system, sotospeak. Paul the critics of charters would say and we had an op ed in fact this week which i disa agreed with but it made the case that what schools do is, these Charter Schools, they cherry pick students and families so they get the most motivated students and families, they leave the Public Schools with the hard cases. Whats your response to that . Thats an absolute myth. The majority of students you attending Charter Schools are those that were not served very well by the establishment, by the tray dithe traditional schol districts. Some of them are special needs students. Theyre going to the schools because the schools are offering a better option than what they were getting in that one size fits all system. To the extent a school has more students than it has seats, that school by law has to administer a lottery. Studies out of new york and boston have demonstrated that when you do this kind of lottery, the students who are in Charter Schools continue to do better compared to the control group of students who wanted to get into the Charter School that were unable to. When you compare apples to apples, you still see that theres something in the Charter School water that is benefiting the students in the system and you certainly dont want to confine low income families in particular into schools that their parents dont want them to attend. Paul what about the other argument from the teachers unions which charters may do better but in fact they drain money from the rest of the Public School system. And therefore, they essentially cheat anybody who remains in the traditional schools. Well, Charter Schools are Public Schools. In cities like washington, d. C. , where nearly 50 of the students are now in Charter Schools, what Charter Schools have done is keep a lot of families in washington, d. C. It used to be low income, middle income families, if they wanted to attend a Better School they would go to suburban School Districts or benefit from a Voucher Program to go to a private school. Thanks to Charter Schools, the students are staying in the Public School system so this is a strategy to keep more students in high performing Public Schools. Paul i know that you want charters to be a bipartisan, you want support as far across the political spectrum as you can get. Its becoming increasingly a partisan issue and what dangers does that pose to the movement and how do you counteract it . Well, the key danger really is the fact that the majority of the principals of char r tear c, the families in Charter Schools are democrats, most are leftleaning democrats. This is not as much about Party Politics as it is about if the candidates running for president or for Public Office want to get the support of our community, they definitely need to wake up and realize that these are the families who are benefiting from a system that, again, keeps the students in a Public School, gives them a great education, the kind of education that up until now we didnt realize would be possible especially for students of color and low income students, and so ultimately i hope that a lot of them will realize that by partnering with Charter Schools we can improve the overall quality of public education, especially in these districts that have traditionally not been performing well. Paul all right. Thank you, appreciate you coming on. When we come back, hong kongs chief executive relents, with drawing an extradition bill that sparked 13 weeks of protests. Will that concession end the political crisis or is it too little too late . Oh yeah, sure. Um. 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Paul hong kong chief executive carrie lamb announced this week shell withdraw a bill that would allow extradition to mainland china, formally pulling the legislation that sparked 13 weeks of protests. The concession seen as a major victory for pro democrat you sigdemocracyactivists. Will it take more to end the crisis. Gillian melchior has been following this from the last. I think carrie lamb did this to hope she would kind of end the crisis. Will it . It wont. This could have potentially ended the crisis back in june when it was really boiling. Since then, a lot has happened. Youve seen more than 1,100 people arrested, that includes prominent pro democracy activists and includes lawmakers who are seized for kind of bogus protest related charges. I think at this point hong kongers feel like they feel like theyre living in a police state and they want accountability for that. Thats been lacking so far. I think thats a good first start for carrie lamb, its certainly not going to stop the protests. Paul what do the protesters want concerning the people who have been arrested . They want charges dropped against them, particularly peaceful protesters. That their only crime is protesting without police permission. They also want removal of the charge rioting, that can carry 10 years in prison. They want an investigation into the Police Violence and police abuses. Top o on top of that, they think universal suffrage is the way to hold their of government accountable. I dont think beijing will give in on that. I think there is political flexibility for carrie lamb to drop charges against peaceful protesters. Paul do you agree, this will continue . Absolutely. Before i thought one of the things that might have stopped some of this unrest was announcing an independent Police Inquiry into the police actions. Now i think because the chinese mainland officials i think have infiltrated the police force, this is a Chinese Police force, not a Hong Kong Police force. Paul i should add, you lived in hong kong for many years. I never thought i would see i think gillian is absolutely right. Two points to make. The chinese and beijing are communist. We forget that. We laugh at mau buttons. Theyre about control. They may want to get rich. Paul communism is communism. When i was there, we used to call it market le leninism. They want power. Jimmy lai, they called him a tray tore. When we talked about extradition, people were worried, youre going to be kidnapped from china, which has happened, i mean kidnapped from hong kong or elsewhere and surface in china and hit with some kind of charge like that. When the Foreign Ministry is calling you traitor, a pro democracy guy, thats a real possibility. Paul i guess my question is whether the protesters may be going too far in the sense that if they keep going and they invite carrie lamb to declare an emergency or an intervention by the Chinese Police or army, could they lose more than they currently have . Yeah, i think thats the risk. This concession on withdrawal is beijing perhaps blinking he briefly but a lot of protesters are concerned that theyre going to use this to say that the compromise didnt work and use it as an excuse to crack down on protesters. I do think protesters are in the right but its not helping their cause when you have a very small minority acting in a way thats disorderly or causing property damage. I think thats something that beijing is using as propaganda to prepare for a crackdown. Paul what are the stakes for the United States . The stakes for the United States is that hong kong represents capitalism and free people and are we going to allow as bill said a communist party model like they have in china to simply apcosh them. Keep your eye on one date. Tuesday, october 1st. Just over three weeks you away. Seventieth anniversary of the Chinese Communist party and you can bet xijinping does not went that day filled with images of protests in hong kong. Something is go to happen in the next three weeks. Paul we should add, beijing signed a treaty with britain that promised autonomy to hong kong for 50 years. So this would be a sense telling the world that they dont honor their promises. Yeah. I mean, were already seeing them two years ago coming out and saying this is a historical document. That this is handing hong kong back over to chinese sovereignity, that we dont have to abide by the terms of the agreement. I think its par for the course, as you see how china Honors International agreements. 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