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President trump this attack shocked the conscience much our nation and filled our hearts with grief. Journalists like all americans should be free from the fear of being violently attacked while doing their job. Martha leah gabriel is live in annapolis maryland, where the vigil is getting under way. Good evening, rehah. Good evening. A judge at annapolis ordered 38yearold jarrod ramos to be held in jail on five counts of first degree murder. Police say he used a legally purchased pump Action Shotgun to shoot out a glass entrance before going inside and killing four journalists a and Sales Assistant. Earlier today the state District Attorney describing the scene inside that newsroom. Mr. Ramos is alleged to have executed a brutal series of attacks on innocent victims. The evidence that suggested a coordinated attack, the barricading of the back door, and the use of a tactical approach and hunting down and shooting the innocent victims in this case. Police say ramos had not been cooperating today as they try to get answers for why. We know he had a longstanding dispute with the capitol gazette, starting in 2011 when a columnist wrote about a criminal harassment case against ramos. He sued the column nirnt and the editor and publisher for defamation but his case was dismissed. The capitol says the former editor said, quote, i remember telling our attorneys, this is a guy who is going to come and shoot us. Three editors, a reporter, and a Sales Assistant were killed in the thursday afternoon rampage. One of those was 65yearold mother of four wendy winters. Her daughter telling reporters today, that she loved what she did. She really liked what she did and who she worked with. She loved her job. And she loved what she did, and she loved to tell stories. And this is far too soon to lose my mother. The community has been coming together here in annapolis today to show their solidarity. The paper showing its resillens by putting out a paper reporting on the tragedy. There are a number of services, a number of vigils being held here at annapolis tonight, one started right here by the anap miss mall moments ago. Martha thank you, well keep all of them in our minds this evening, what a tough time for the families of the president offering support to the people of annapolis. This afternoon he boarded air force one, heading to their summer home in bed minister, new mexico. Reports tonight indicate that he is using this getaway to Interview Supreme Court candidates. All as he celebrates the sixmonth anniversary of his historic tax cut plan. Rumors are swirling about his chief of staff potentially making an exit. Here to talk about what a week for the Trump White House and so many ways, anthony scaramucci, former White House Communications director and founder of skycap tall. What there is a lot. All of our hearts go out to the families. Unspeakable tragedy. But at the same time, you have to admire the resilience of all of these people, put the paper out, too. This is an amazingly sad story. A lot of resilience. Martha indeed it is. So much discussion about journalism and fake news, a reuters editor had to issue an apology, he made a horrible remark initially after citing some blame for the president , which is just awful. I mean before anybody knew anything about the circumstances here. Thats kind of the world that we live in, unfortunately. The world we live n but i think we have to try to figure out how were going to reduce the shootings. Its not even a left or right decision any more, its just what are the right or wrong policies to put in place to see if we can get a reduction in the shootings. For me its obviously a Mental Health issue. You look at the personnd with what people were saying about the person, you have to work on the signalling on this stuff and get it right. Martha when you have an editor who has dpechb a picture to the security guy there needs to be a way to draw a circumstance ail round that person and make sure that that is those red flags go up before Something Like this happens. Politicizing it is not going to help the situation. Bringing the president into the orbit of the thing is not fair to the president , also not fair to the situation. And so im glad that guy walked it back. Martha some of what happened this week, obviously news that a lot of people were not expecting, Justice Anthony kennedy stepping down from the bench. The president has said that hes going to have his nominee ready by july 9 which is a week from monday. A short time frame. He says he has five people in mind, two women. Do you know who hes going to pick . I dont 100 know who hes going to pick. I know the family seems to be close to a few of these guys. We will to have see what happens. The president picked a great jurist last time, justice gore sich is a phenomenal jurist. Hell pick a phenomenal jurist this time. People should relax for a second and give him the opportunity to pick somebody before they start digging trenches again. So this is sort of weird, i was thinking about justice ska lea, he was 9 Justice Scalia 970 oi painted to the Supreme Court. Were where it goes down the partisan lines. To go into the Nuclear Option for this situation. When you think about the quality of the people that the president is going to pick from and interview, theyre all exceptional americans, exceptional people. I hope we can dial it back a little on the politics. Martha in terms of the white house, the chief of staff yesterday made comments, Kellyanne Conway came out, we have no indication john kelly is leaving the white house. Tonight it sounds like the president opened the door. Its the president s choice. Chief of staff kelly wants to leave he can leave voluntarily. Its going to be up to the two of them. We can speculate about that. But hm i think im not in love with the leaking. You know, john kelly deserves the opportunity to have that conversation the president. And it deserves to stay inside of that circle. I find it ironic that every time something super sensitive is happening, one way or the other, it ends up dispersing from the white house in a ridiculous, anonymous way. Martha a lot of people like to talk. Yes. Anonymously. They run out, get their cell phone out of the locker, run the outside, and they, like, chiterchattering. Its not fair. I have had issues with general kelly in the past, he has issues with me. But i think hes owed right expect, frankly, of having that conversation with the president. Hes been a decorated veteran, he served his country well, and should be able to leave gracefully. Martha i want to play something for you. Watch the contrast between what President Trump said yesterday when when he was at foxcon in wisconsin, and what some of his critics are saying about what they hope will happen to the economy. Watch this. President Trump America is open for business more than it has ever been open for business. Made in the usa, its all happening and its happening very, very quickly. If a recession hits. You think thats where the bo on the many falls out . I they so. I feel like the bottom has to fall out. Im hoping for it. One way you get rid of trump is crashing economy. Martha hoping for recession. Hoping for recession. That is all part of the derangement that people talk about. The same thing that got the reuters editor in trouble. They just severely dislike the president. Some of it is related to his style. Really not related to the policies. I challenge, im sure ill get lit up on twitter, but challenge to you come up with one policy over the last 17 or 18 months that the president has prom you will dpalted that led to a disruption in your life or lower Living Standard or disavow of your standard. There hasnt been any. Obviously the economy does fall, there will be an issue for all politicians and issue for all companies in america. That will be a lot of pain. I really wish bill didnt say that. Having said that, the very good news the policies have been fantastic. The stimulus is fantastic, the tax cuts they were celebrating earlier today. You will see maybe a 4. 5, 5 print on gdp for the second quarter. The economists at skybridge think we have a good, ak sell rated quarterly growth going into the end of the year. Martha and the president , lets play this, with maria. Watch this. Weve seen the impact to the economy. What do you want today happen now, does the economy need more stimulus, are you looking for phase two . President trump were doing a phase two, we will be doing it in october, maybe a little sooner than that. And it will be more of a middle class. We did a lot for the middle class but this is aimed more at the middle class. Bringing the 21 down to 20. For the most part the rest goes to the middle class. Its a great stimulus. Martha which tax cut 21 to 20 . Thats the Corporate Tax cut, maybe bringing it down to 20. Which means probably will happen. Heres the great thing about him, and this will ultimately be his legacy. He recognizes that he has to close the gap here in terms of income spread. And helping middle class families and lower middle class families on the campaign that was his pledge. Its policies like that free market based in their orientation that get that done more than any other policy. Martha do you think thats an offset for the trade issues, if you lower Corporate Tax rates further is that an incentive for Companies Like harleydavidson, for example, to change their mind . On the margin. Theyre jumping the gun on the president , missizing his negotiation strategy. Hes asking them to be patient. Those allies of ours, also the chinese, know that the trade situation is unbalanced. They know hes using that as a cudgeol to bring it down. I call on all corporations to give the president a little bit of time to watch him work this thing, the way he worked the north korean situation. For me, by the end of the year, my guess is hes very close on nafta, hes very close on negotiating something with the eu. And i think its going to be good news for everybody. Martha big week for mexico, big election. Happy 4th. Martha to you, too. A heated political battle brewing over the next Supreme Court justice. 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Martha first of all, he spoke with maria and she asked him are you going to want to know from this potential justice where they stand on roe v. Wade and whether or not they would overturn. Hes didnt think he would get specific about that in his discussions with the potential justices. Do you think about that . Its circumspection and restraint which is reassuring in the president. He deals with the cards face outward. Thats been a liability in the past. Here hes playing this very smart. Not asking those type of litmus questions. If he does, the witness will have to address that. The fact is, theres lots of ways to figure out where some one else on an issue like roe v. Wade. Many of the people on the list of 25 are very familiar to people in d. C. Many of them come to conferences and their views are fairly well known. So you dont have to ask the question. I think what the president also knows, is that he promised to put two or more prolife justices on the court. If this justice doesnt prove to be prolife, it could come back to haunt him during the next president ial campaign. And so, i suspect this will be on his mind. Martha i suspect it will, too. The optics could matter, headline in politico, President Trump judged to pick a woman. He said that two of the five hes considering are women. Is that important or not . Well im some one who long criticized the selection of justices for the optics. I think they should be selected entirely on the basis of their intellectual contribution to the court. I testified at Neil Gorsuchs confirmation hearing in the senate and testified in his favor. I believed that hes an intellectual of the first order. Even if you disagree with his conclusions. That is, in fact, the model we should choose. It doesnt matter what sex or race or religion that person is. This is a court of nine. It is an honor to hold one of those seats. It shouldnt be given to you on optics. Martha certainly is. It should be based on qualifications and the way you approach the constitution and whether or not that matches up with the way the person whos nominating you, the president in this case, feels about it. July 9, i mean thats a quick turnaround. I mean obviously theres a lot of political pressure to get moving on this. Yeah, this is a nascar pace. It is a very fast turnaround. Look, the republicans dont want to be xwar land. Garland. They invented that strategy, it worked well for them. Theyre not going to hand it over to the democrats. Theyll push the nominee through before the midterm elections. Now, that means that theyre going to have to be careful f you make a vetting mistake and you have to change courses, it doesnt give you a lot of time. Thats why theyre cutting it short. Martha like harriet meyers. Jonathan turley, thank you so much. Thank you. Martha coming up tonight, kim jongun gave his word that the remains of u. S. Servicemen killed in korea would be sent home. 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Joining me on that and other hot topics is my panel, tom, cat and our own ed henry, chief national correspondent. Tom, he cries, sometimes. Yeah. Martha when hes watching the news. You do, too. Definitely, definitely. [laughing] but hes telling me to get off the couch. Michael moore is telling me to get off the couch. [laughing] kind of weird. Martha true. But he says martha he admit heed was sitting on the couch watching news crying. But me wants us to put our bodies on the line. Michael moore, wants bodies on the line, we need a wall, am i the only one putting two and two together . I felt like i knew where you were going. Body blocker. Martha a lot of images going through my head of Michael Moore on the couch putting his body on the loin. Cat . I think that if you are crying every day watching the news, then that is a you problem. Thats not the way things are going problem. I watch a lot of news and i manage to cry about other things rather than the news. I dont think we should be taking advice from somebody who is so irrationally emotional about nothing. Over and over again a lot of super antitrump people say we need to rise up. This is awful. Everything is awful. End of the world. And i keep waking up every morning with everything being kind of fine. Sometimes even, you know, kind of nice. So i think that maybe he should take a bath, candles, relax. It can help me sometimes. Candles are good. Maybe fragrance. Hes a little too high strung. Martha i think youre on to something. I have been spending a lot of time, martha, trying to get in touch with my emotions. Its been a long journey. What is going on in this country. When people say this stuff. Its like, i honestly think on Election Night when we su all those people at the Javitz Center waiting for Hillary Clinton and they were trying and you had the people in the Obama Administration waiting for president obama to comment, they had long faces. Theyve spent a lot of democrats a year and a half emoting about things and kicking Sarah Sanders out of a restaurant and doing ridiculous things. This week, its funny that Michael Moores interview, its like things finally got real. Democrats have spent a year and a half on russia and everything else. When you had the Supreme Court decisions which showed actually travel ban is going to stick. By the way, Justice Kennedy is stepping down. And President Trump is actually president. Even though you dont want to ak nl it. Martha that was the thing Michael Moore, he said he plans on being president , again. I was like, thats not how it, would. You have to run. You have to be elected. He plans on doing it again. For another four years. I thought, you know, love to talk about being president for life. Unfortunately thats not the way it works in the country. And i often feel, i understand the tears on Election Night, they were shocked. Things did not go the way they thought it would go. At some point there has to be an accounting for real changes, actual things happening. And i think the situation at the border is a real situation. You can talk about whether or not it existed, in a similar way, last administration. But some of these realities really came home to roost this week, especially with the Supreme Court decision. Kristin gillibrand is sure that all democrats will vote against the new nominee just as they did last time, with gorsuch. Watch this. Are you right that he didnt get one vote, didnt he get three, didnt he get nompblts democratic votes. Manchin, heitkamp . He did not. They stood strong strong and passed with it republican votes. I thought he got three. You might be right, chris, but i believe the Democratic Caucus will stand together. Obviously not there. We neededted jeopardy sound. Wrong. It was three. Martha now were looking at collective outrage and a lot of plans to try and figure out some way to prevent this nominee from happening. Yet it looks pretty difficult. Again, you have to go back into fact land and look how it works and how it goes. They will have a tough time. Yes, its sad. I think the president gets his pick, thats what happens. The president picks, and unless theres something wrong with the person i grew up, when i was in college, it was bourque, this was the big thing. First big fight. Theyve been fighting ever since. Clarence thomas, it becomes this big thing. Martha kennedy was approved 900. That will never happen again. 1988. Which was a president ial election year. So guess what. Both parties came together and said Ronald Reagan found a way out, hes president , and george h. W. Bush ended up winning. Maybe they thought he would shape the court. You win, you get to shape the court a lot of democrats, a year and a half ago, didnt get that, like, this was real. And donald trump was going to govern. Martha its sinking in. You know what else is sinking in, bad reality as a result of a jimmy johns delivery. So this young woman thinks shes going to do something nice for her boyfriend, only dating three months, going to send him jimmy johns, hes studying finals. She said i live far away but im sending something over. The delivery guy delivers it. And when he gets there, he finds an unfortunate set of circumstances playing out in the home. And this is what she tweeted after. I promise ill fill in the blanks. Look at the tweet. She says, i do want to thank jimmy johns for their Incredible Service to their customers. Not many would do what that Delivery Driver did. Im grateful that he called me and was honest about the situation. Tom, it turns out that when the guy delivered the sandwich there was some other girl at the apartment, and her supposedly studying boyfriend for finals was boxers only at this point. Yeah. Martha so the jimmy johns delivery guy took it upon himself to call her. He narced. He told about the cheating boyfriend. Its great. You cant cheat on your girlfriend, especially, this woman, theres a think called guy code. Guys are supposed to stick together. I dont stick together with this guy. If you had a girlfriend who is sending you submarine sandwiches, you keep that g i recall friend, you dont cheat on her. I wish there was jimmy johns in new york city. Ever since i read this story, all can i think about is jimmy johns. There are no jimmy johns. They bring you sandwiches and they tell you if your boy friend is cheating on you. Thats not a restaurant, thats a best friend forever. Martha the problem is that we are all so infiltrated into other peoples lives. I think through social media. Oh, i know them on twitter, facebook. This is none of your business mr. Delivery boy. Drop the sandwich, and leave. Its like the elective device. I started hearing, theyre spying on you, listening to conversations, people push the wrong button. There is a jimmy johns like a block from the white house, im sorry you dont have it in new york. Go there between live shots. The tuna country club sandwich. I dont have jimmy johns around, or a boyfriend. Martha but youre not crying on the couch every day. No. Martha thanks, good to see, happy 49sdz of july, have a great week. Coming up next, there is news breaking in the biggest sports scandal in the United States history. Texas prosecutors have now come to a decision about the karolyis. These families have waited for the remains of their loved ones for 65 years. Now theyre waiting for kim jongun to make good on his word. Their story next. I am optimistic that we will begin to have two opportunities, one to receive some remains in the not too distant future. Greatness of an suv . Is it to carry cargo. Or to carry on a legacy . Its show of strength. Or its sign of intelligence . In crossing harsh terrain. Or breaking new ground . 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New mexico breaking tonight, there will martha there will be no charged for bella and Marta Karolyi. Texas prosecutors announce they did not find wrongdoing by the couple in connection with the larry nassar sex scandal. Some called on texas to investigate why Marta Karolyi knew what she knew about nassars abuse while they trained at the karolyi ranch, the ucla olympic training center. The karolyis maintained they did not know what was going on. Texas prosecutors filed new charges of sexual abuse against nas sachlt ar who is in prison on charges for the rest of his life. I am optimistic that we will begin to have two opportunities, one is to receive some remains in the not too distant future. Were dogged in trying to facilitate as quickly as we can. Thank you, i appreciate that. And just to be clear, we have not yet received any correct, snorp. We have not physically received them. Martha secretary of state mike pompeo delivering the update this week. No remains of u. S. Troops returned yet from north korea. Around 7700 u. S. Troops are still unaccounted for from the korean war. But pompeo is optimistic about President Trumped agreement with kim jongun to bring the nations heros home. Family members are Still Holding out hope that they will be reunited with their loved ones. We follow up with two of the families who joined us before. First lt. Robert schmidt fought forward through the most brutal battle of the korean war but sadly never returned. And captain john henry zimmerly went out on a Night Mission in korea but his plane disappeared and only questions remained. Here, now, their family members, still fighting to bring them home. Joan morris is the niece of first lt. Robert schmidt. John zimmerly is the son of captain zimmerly. We have so much feedback from your stories, and i think people want so much for you to have the circle closed on what this situation has brought to your families. Joan, let me start with you, remind us, about your uncle bobbys service. Well, uncle bobby served in world war ii for over three years. Then he came back to north dakota and graduated with an rotc degree and became an army officer. And he was stationed in japan, then he went to korea. And he was killed at the reservoir on december 1, 1950. Martha john, your dad . Yes, my father was an air force navigator, went out on a small plane on a Night Mission in march of 1952, Radio Communication around 9 00 p. M. And thats the last we heard from him. No one knows whether they crashed into a mountain, shot down, whether they were taken captive. No one really knows. There are some documents that give us hints that some of them may have been in captivity. But even that is not positive evidence. Martha joan, you know, obviously these are difficult circumstances and you heard secretary pompeo say theyre committed to bringing them back. What we know about some of the grave yards that were used and some of the situations. How difficult do you think it will be to see this through . Well, i think it will be very difficult. One end, youre dealing with the north korean government, even though its humanitarian type of issue. In the past, the return of your soldiers remains as a bargaining chip with the United States. The other issue that im very worried about is the department of defense and their capabilities, their competent, and the overall direction theyre using as far as identifying the remains. And i say that, because some of the remains were returned over 20 years ago and havent been identified. The department of defense is not using updated Dna Technology. Theyre using very Expensive Technology that takes four to five months for a test result to come in. Where if they were using nuclear Dna Technology the test results would come in within a week. Theyre ten times less expensive than the dna test theyre using now. And they have a higher degree of accuracy as far as identifying the particular soldiers. Martha yeah. John, you share that concern, i know. In terms of the response from the d. O. D. And exactly where these remains are. Some of them are in u. S. Territory. Yes. In fact, the dpaa announced they made an identification of a person who was of unidentified remains, buried in hawaiian cemetery for 65 years. That remains was tentatively associated with this particular individual. It took them 60 years to even read the document. They dug him up four years ago from the cemetery. And just now, four years later, are identifying him with the micro the mitochondrial dna joan is referring to, which is really antiquated. Martha so much is about the war getting the respect that it deserves. Is that part of what drives you, in your missiontor your family . Yes. Sorry. Martha go ahead, joan. I dont think its the overall view of the war. I think its a very personal type of issue for our family. My grandmother was very concerned about the fact that my uncle did not have a proper burial. And when she moved, she sent letters to the department of defense indicating her new address and was there any updates or anything like that. So i think we take it personally, this is something that since that generation has gone, were the ones that hopefully will bring uncle bobby home and have a proper burial. Martha john, quick thoughts on that . Yes, we feel that our government has not shared all of the information they have with us over all of these years. This is an opportunity for the media to put pressure on the government to release a lot of that information and a 4r069 details on the remains. Martha well stay on your story, hope you come back, and thanks to both of you. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you. Martha controversial conservative commentator moan in a serron says feminism got it wrong, telling women in america to wake up. Hear that sizzle . 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That has not stopped mona cherren calling out what she sees as blatant hypocrisy in both parties. Tonight she has a new book that targets in part the me too movement and modern day memnism. She believes the movement has lost its way. Earlier this week i sat down with moan ta in a, the author of sex matters how modern memnism lost touch with science, love, and common sense. Fascinating. And, really, youre pushing back on very sort of uniformly accepted norms about how feminism is supposed to be empowering to women. Its supposed to be pro woman. In some ways it was. The point of my book, memnism took a couple of really devastating wrong turns. One was in embracing the sexual revolution. The other was in rejecting family life as a trap for women. Instead what we found, this has had 50 years of experience with modern memnism. What we have seen is families are disintegrating, women are struggling, single women struggling to do everything themselves. Men are disconnected from their families and sometimes even from the workforce. Its time to rethink some of the assumptions that got us here. Martha one. Things you say, is that you see declining female happiness. Its really interesting f you look at the General Social survey, they started asking questions in 1972, how happy are you, and what they noticed is that every year since, women have been less happy and men have gotten more happy. If the feminist movement with all of its achievements were supposed to be the answer for womens happiness you wouldnt expect to see that help are happier than women and womens happiness has steady in declined. I think a lot of it is about how insecure modern women are. They dont have the structure of marriage, family, that security that women need because we are the ones that have babies and we do need to be taken care of when were in those vulnerable stages of our lives. Martha are you a very independent woman, you have had a big career, very successful career, married, you have children. Some people say that is difficult to have it all. Right. As we the line i always repeat, is you cant have it all you can have it all but not all at once. Also, i kind of reject this whole notion of having it all. Because first of all we dont know what it is. It doesnt necessarily mean you have 2. 5 kids and x number of the huge income and great career. It may mean having a fulfilled and happy and balanced life. And if thats your goal, then you definitely want to place family security right at the center of your life plan. Instead of something you hope will come along later. That applies to men as well as women. Martha very important to get to the me too movement and how we got here. How did during the empowerment phase of women in this country, did we find ourselves falling prey to these awful situations with men . Right. So in some ways i think the me too movement is good, its women saying i have had enough, its almost you could interpret it as a rejection of the sexual revolution that the feminist unwisely endorsed in the 1970s and since then. But the fact is, that by endorsing the sexual revolution and agreeing that we drop the old standards how men should behave, what it meant to be a gentleman, that we kind of open the door to this kind of loudish, gross behavior that we have seen in so many men. And if women are pushing back against it, great. But they should understand the feminism bears some part of the responsibility for how we got here. That when they said, of course we dont want any particular sensitivity by men. We dont want you to hold doors. We dont want you to be gentlemen. Thats con descending. Well the are the is men didnt know how to behave. Some of them became gentlemen. Martha what about dating and flirting and how difficult those things become now in this environment where men in some cases who dont want to get sucked into trouble feel like they just cant exactly. Martha be themselves. They have trouble knowing what the parameters are. We need to return to some basic rules about behavior. One of them is, if youre married you absolutely shouldnt be looking or touching anybody who isnt your spouse. But also, you know, just basic things like so many of these women who came forward with the me too movement, were saying they went to Harvey Weinsteins hotel room for a business meeting. They didnt know thats something you shouldnt do. That should be just part of the rules. Theres never a reason for a male boss to ask a woman to come to his hotel room for a business meeting. Women should be empowered, really empowered, right, to say not happening. Not appropriate. Martha exactly, to send that signal clearly, if you are interested in a professional relationship, if thats not what this is, thats it. To lay down that marker. Mona, theres so much more to talk b i encourage everybody to read your book, its fascinating, going to be controversial, no doubt, as you often are. And were so glad you came here first, great to see you. Thank you. Martha good luck. Thank you. Martha so when we come back, remembering the five victims of yesterdays shooting at the capitol gazette newspaper in maryland. This is not a cloud. This is a tomato tracked from farm to table on a blockchain, helping keep shoppers safe. This is a financial Transaction Secure from hacks and threats others cant see. This is a skyscraper whose elevators use iot data and ai to help thousands get to work safely and efficiently. This is not the cloud you know. This is the ibm cloud. The ibm cloud is the cloud for smarter business. Let with one a day womens. 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This page is intentionally left blank to commemorate those victims at the shooting at our office. Tomorrow the page will return to the steady purpose to offer informed opinions about the world around them that they might be bert citizens. Our thoughts and prayers are with the Capital Gazette staff and their families tonight. That is our story. Tucker is up next. Tucker good evening. Welcome to Tucker Carlson tonight. For centuries america fought crime by hiring police. Now democrats have a new plan. Fire the police and redefine lawbreaking as an act of virtue. If there is no enforcement, there is no crime. Well, shocking speed that this has become normal on the left to demand the abolition of i. C. E. And the 20,000 agents that work there and enforce the immigration laws. A few weeks ago it was only a few activists on the far left calling for this. Then this week on tuesday, congressional candidate alexandria ocasiocortez won a democratic primary against

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