Video games, what makes these killers so different . Dr. Warren farrell has been studying men and boys in america for over two decades and he sees this as this hole in their lives, their missing piece and violent young man as something that has been brewing in a changing america for very long time and it boils down to a number of things, but in part one element is what he calls the dad deficit. Deprivation is common to 26 out of 27 of the mass shooters who have killed eight or more people. That is where we start tonight. Author of the boy crisis. Why are boys are struggling. Thank you for being here. Its a pleasure. Shannon obviously there is a big picture of what is going on in america and then there is this subset, very tiny subset, violent and you see some Common Threads among these young man and we are still waiting to learn more about the killers over the last couple of days, but what is the dad deficit and how do you see it coming to play through your research . What i found was that in the prison population and the ice is population of the mass shooter population they all have in common very high percentage, 90 dad deprived. They dont have any male role models to channel their testosterone constructively in the mail mold rado, in addition to bml role model , they tend to be much tougher on boundary enforcement and the boundary enforcement creates gratification which leads the boys to be successful at school or sports or to feel more proud of themselves and not ashamed of themselves. They get praised from women and teacher, male peers and at home and those boys are also much more likely to learn how to be empathetic because they do roughhousing and dad says, you put your elbow and your sisters face there will be no more roughhousing and so the boy learns to think of his sister rather than to think of themselves. Its the difference between being assertive or aggressive. All of these things, empathy as empathy as assertiveness creates friendships that allow him to be involved and engaged and has ability allows him to feel a purpose, so boys with dads and the more the father is involved in the more that boy is likely to find, to discover himself and be successful. Shannon i want to point out. There are plenty of families who grow up with parents and two different houses who do fine and we are not making in overgeneralization, we are looking at this subset and trying to figure out where it breaks down. That is not a scientific term. A way of looking at it. We showed that chart in the beginning and all of those men were mass killers, only one woman among them since 1966. These young girls grew up in the same circumstances. Dad has left. They have access to the violent video games and axes in some cases to guns, but they dont do it, why . Girls are more likely to be brought up by a role model, a female mom and secondly as they learn to have as much ramification, but girls without that that i dont do as well, boys are still interested. That is not the primary way. They are more likely to have a mom to empathize with them and work with them. They dont have as much tendency towards violence. Testosterone doesnt challenge in itself into a negative and purposeless outcomes as often, however on action the children that do best tend to have a checks and balance parenting of the dads for times a day to do and the mom to do more nurturing so when those two come together those children do significantly better. Shannon he pointed out and one of the talks, a young man who shot and killed, his last words, i wish i had a dad. There are other examples from the studies and first this is from Elliott Rogers manifesto, another young shooter who said after i picked up the handgun i brought it back to my room had filed a new sense of power. I was now armed. Who is the alpha male now . You can see the expletive. Its the opposite of the alpha male what he has done. He came from a divorced home, when boys dont know how to succeed and have purpose and he was very sensitive and he felt that change. Mom said, girls like sensitive guys. He sees the girls going out with the Football Players and a not so sensitive guys and he becomes angry and hurt and feels rejected and so boys who hurt, hurt us. Shannon we have heard so much about empowering girls and women over the last years and you started your career working on woman studies in the Womens Movement in the 60s, but you say it is time for a white House Counsel on men and boys. Why . Boys have increasing numbers of problems. Boys are much more likely to commit suicide now than girls, 46 times as likely, their Life Expectancy is going down. Thats amazing that any Life Expectancy is going down. Girls Life Expectancy is not going down. Their sperm counts are going down. There are cues are going down. They are much more likely to feel that anger that comes with having jobs, Federal Reserve chair jared powell pointed this out, the psychological warfare and the boy crisis and if we are not preparing our schools with teachers and communication assistants and teaching girls and boys in Elementary School to communicate with each other rather than bully each other and teaching their parents to communicate so that there onto the divorces that lead to the absence of fathers. Shannon very interesting. We want to have you back. Thank you so much. Very interesting research. Good to see you. Thank you for caring. Shannon here is another piece of it. What about the loss of what one a sociologist referred to as mediating institutions in our society . The churches, rotary clubs, girl and boy scouts. Since the beginning of america these were the bedrock subcommunities as villages and towns popped up across the country, churches and libraries and those were their centers but not have taken a backseat for what many prefer in these social Media Community that often ends up leaving them, feeling more detached than anything else. Former governor of arkansas Mike Huckabee on this part of that, the bowling leagues and all these institutions that still exist but they have far less emphasis in our communities. A lot of the institutions even like the boy scouts are in the process of collapsing. They are going extinct and kids are not growing up. Belonging to things whether its a club or being as involved in community activities. Everything that the doctor just said, a brilliant guest and im so glad you had him on because his assessment was spot on. There are so many boys were growing up were lost, lonely, they feel a sense of rage because perhaps their fathers have left them. They would love to identify with their fathers but they cant, they take it personally. They feel like maybe they did something wrong and let me tell you that one of the consequences of that is those of us who would try to say, look for spiritual answers. How can you tell a young man that god wants to be his father if his image of a father is someone who abandon him or beat up his mother . This is where we have to rethink, but i recognize that ultimately the whole of the human heart can never be filled just by human things, it has to be filled by spiritual things that give a person a higher sense of who they are, their real identity and why they matter. Shannon let me ask you this. Im sure there are some people who watch this segment and they say look, these young men are twisted. They are evil. A couple years in the boy scouts as a going to change anything for these individuals. They have a deepseated issue and some of them are driven by some extremist ideologies out there and we all read with this manifesto. What you say to that . I would say to them, where did they get the appetite for these ideas . The one in el paso, white supremacist and that is evil by anyones definition. That is a hideous evil. The young man in dayton appears to have been someone who identified with leftist politics, all of his social media pointed to a very different ideology. Even though the media hasnt discussed that as much because that doesnt for the narrative, but the point is that both were drawn to something that most of us would say it is destructive. Why were they drawing to win it . Because they were looking for significance in their lives and sometimes that significance is the simple relationship they can have with their family and their god and if i dont have that relationship then we all better luck out because they will find a way to express that hate and anger and hostility and we see it in advance likely dead this weekend and it breaks all of our hearts. Shannon ed absolutely does. I want to show you a tweet from hillary clinton. Its not as simple as getting your hands on a gun and fixing someones Mental Illness but she says, peoples offer from Mental Illness in every other country on earth. Play video games and every other country on earth. The difference is the guns. Some countries where suicide bombers and people do horrible things in other ways. I understand that before the bodies were taken out of the walmart in el paso, there were many politicians running two cameras to politicize the issue. I dont remember anybody blaming bill clinton, her husband or barack obama. We had Mass Shootings when they were president s. It is not a president s fault, whether its trump, obama or george w. Bush. Its our cultural fault and part of what we have done, we have created a culture in which we said there is no god and human life isnt worth that much in life is expendable and there are lives that are disposable and one a young man believes his life is disposable he thinks the lives around him are. Why are we so shocked that he would be taking mass killings as has avenue of expressing his rage . Shannon a lot of these are suicide the suicide of these young men is the goal and its not that different with a bomb strapped around you and killing as many people as you can, they are doing it as this way as they headed with the hopes that they will also be killed. One obviously survived over the weekend, despite the fact that he said that wasnt his intentions. 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We must reform our Mental Health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who commit acts of violence and make sure those people not only get treatment, but when necessary involuntary confinement. Shannon that is a big phrase, involuntary confinement and it has been a taboo phrase in recent years and decades, but is it time to have a conversation about it again . A conversation that has been put off for some time. Back in 1984 the New York Times sounded the alarm on the closure of our nations mental institutions. There was a growing economic and political liability faced by state legislators. Enormous amount of tax revenues are being used to support the mental hospitals and the institutions themselves were increasingly thought of as snake pits or facilities that few wanted. In that same article, the doctors admit that closing these facilities had turned out to be a big mistake. They say this, the belief was widespread at the same scientific researchers who had conjured up antibiotics and vaccines during the outburst of medical discovery in the 50s and 60s had discovered penicillin to cure psychosis and revolutionize the treatment of the mentally ill. Joining me now, correspondent geraldo rivera. Good to have you here. This is something that we talk about every time it happens. There are cases, there were reports that some people and their circle said that his mother wanted to have him committed and that may have been what tipped him off but it was difficult to do so because he didnt have any rap sheet, any violations. You did a documentary some investigative work that really changed institutions in many ways in new york which dealt with children who were deemed to be mental disabilities. Different kind of situation, but that was part of the whole deinstitutionalization of these kinds of Mental Health care issues. What you think about all of that . Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clear up what could be a misunderstanding amongst some people. The story i did about the population we use to describe as mentally, you cant use that phe people historically like those with down syndrome, those who have other, Cerebral Palsy and other developmental disabilities, often if not always having low iqs, these folks who were institutionalize institutionalized, 60 to a room, crowded in there with one attendant and smeared with their own, naked and not getting proper nutrition. They had to be liberated from their institution and we set up this wonderful moment that was communitybased residences where instead of 60 in one place there are three or four and they are cared and they work and they are supervised and they have lives. The population that youre describing in the 1984 New York Times article on the people who are accused were guilty of these crimes we are seeing now or not the mentally retarded or disabled, the mom who drowned five of her children and postpartum depression. That is Mental Illness. There never was a system set up for them to be an alternative to the institution. They closed those institutions for the mentally ill and they never opened the Community Residences so that is why you see the home was. Shannon they were supposed to. As it states in that article, the idea was that they were going to be local institutions or communitybased areas like the ones you are talking about and the work you did was revolutionary. It did change so many things for the better. This issue has put us in a place where almost, its very difficult to have someone who does need to be institutionalized, for the safety of society. Its almost impossible to put someone like that away. It is. Look at this, the one that is worse in el paso, the Sutherland Springs where you have a guy who was kicked out of the air force for all kinds of problems. He beat his wife. He gets mad at his motherinlaw and so he goes and he kills 26 people and a church. Shannon he had escaped from a place where he was being held for Mental Illness in 2012 by the way. The president is onto something. It will be very difficult and it has to be done on a task force with professionals and consumers of these services and they can talk about the appropriateness and also the creation if not of the communitybased residences, at least of the safe space where someone who is or someone who was writing manifestoes about killing latinos in texas shannon lets face it. People are ticked off and family members know that this person is dangerous and some of them in some cases would like the option to have somebody help them by taking this person and putting them where they will be safe for themselves and other people will be safe because they are being watched 24 7. A very difficult thing. Thank you very much. Good to see you tonight. 30 seconds, that is how long it took four gunmen in ohio to kill nine people it is fundamentally problematic to have that level of weaponry in a civilian environment unregulated, thats problematic. Shannon that puts the white house under pressure again to act on gun control, they respond next. The military family and it really shows. T take care of us. It was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. It was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say oh we cant beat usaa were the webber family. Were the tenneys were the hayles, and were usaa members for life. 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Martha heres what happened when republican Governor Mike Dewine tried to speak to a crowd, they started chanting, do something. Do something x back we are here tonight. Do something do something martha here exclusively, Kellyanne Conway. When i hear those people shouting goes right through me i think every american wants to figure out how to make this stop. Theres so unusual. This doesnt happen in other countries and we heard what the president said today, all things that everybody thinks our steps in the right direction, but when it comes to do something, what action is the president prepared to take specifically . Thank you for having me. The president laid out some concrete proposals and many of them require bipartisan support by the congress on capitol hill. You can get around the fact that we need legislation. I think it a positive way i can refer back to the act and 2018 that the president signed, a bipartisan measure that really strengthened the system where criminals and also a lot more data sharing among state governments and federal Law Enforcement officers. Also ending the bump stocks was critical following the Las Vegas Las vegas shootings where authorities have never come up with a motive for that shooter. The president stands ready to act and i think today it was important for the president to speak to and on behalf of a grieving nation and to offer anger and sympathy and condolences and to point out that he is directing his fbi and department of justice to continue its work against domestic terrorism, white supremacy. The fbi director testified on july 20th heard about this issue and he laid out in detail what the fbi is doing to combat terrorism and other race and hatebased crime. Shannon i have to jump in. People look at the bump stock move is a step of the right direction but weve seen an acceleration. They are happening by one count, 250 Mass Shootings this year and we havent even had 250 days this year. People can squabble with those numbers, but its unbelievable. When i go back and i cover these stories and its hard to remember which one was that . When you start getting confused by the numbers of shootings, people look to the president and they want to see his heart on this and his action and its difficult. Its a vexing question. You have the New York Post today. Their editorial page, a conservative page that came out today and said President Trump you are positioned to switch that fear. You are problematic centrist. Somebody who knows they are the vast majority of americans who are not the extreme left or right, they want the killings to stop. What do you say . Those are powerful words and this president is finding ways to enhance checks on criminals and talking about the red flag legislation, bipartisan fashion. Lindsey graham and blumenthal, democratic connecticut are coming together. They spoke to me about their legislation. He is willing to do things that keep the guns out of the hands of the wrong people without aggregating the rights of citizens to have these. In dayton, ohio, that killer, that monster who killed his own sister and is now dead, he in high school had a kill list and a rape list. People knew this. See something and say something. That was years ago. Shannon how does someone like that get a gun legally . It wasnt in his background check. I know firsthand there are exceptions to the law that for other reasons when our local Law Enforcement can get that information when someone is applying for the firearm, the kill list in high School Shannon let me ask you this. I heard the mayor of dayton who has been very articulate and i think has handled this as well as anybody could, she said she spoke with the president and she shared with him her belief that we needed to reenact the assault weapon ban and the definition is something that needs to be refined in this piece. What did the president say to her . He said he was open to hearing anything that could work. Is he open on banning assault weapons . He is listening to all people and he will be in dayton and he will be in el paso. If you short days, the quickest he can get there given all the security measures. The fact is the movement he is listening, but also people always say do something and then you know what . If congress does nothing. I think that is why people are so upset. We cant just lay blame. I think the president showed sympathy, but also resolve and action and is putting himself forward. It fixes the right problem. He also put out there about Mental Health, internet radicalization, there is so much going on. There is no single solution because there is no single cause. Shannon it will be interesting with that conversation and if the assault ban conversation comes up in dayton and if he is open to all options. Kellyanne conway, thank you. Joining me now, fox news senior analyst. Judge, you heard her saying that its difficult. Its difficult to keep people from getting guns and in my mind i look at this boy who was defended from school from having a kill list and a rape list. I when he goes to purchase a gun on his School Record is not there . The school list is not there. Shannon they should be. Why not . Laws have prohibited data. Thats a great point that Kellyanne Conway makes. You and i live in a state of new jersey. New jersey has the most demanding background check, both of the killers in el paso and dayton would have passed new jerseys test on the basis of what was allowed to that database. When members of congress are saying, universal background checks, they dont work unless you have the right information because you can only access what is already in the database. Shannon these are the things that. What about Mental Health . You want to keep guns out of peoples hands that have a desire to kill innocent people. Who have written things about that. In many cases people who know them, they know they are dangerous. The president is in a very difficult spot. He is the most prosecond amendment president in my memory, may be more so than ronald reagan. I understood his Statement Today as one where he still is trying to protect the core right to keep and bear arms, but touching on the fringes of people who dont belong there. The problem is that some of the things that he wants to do, what the democrats have been going for four years and even some of the republicans, profoundly violating due process. If something can be taken away or if a right, a natural right can be taken away on the basis of fear of what someone might do rather than what someone did, none of our rights are safe. I think that all of these red flags are unconstitutional because they are based on a fear of what you think the person might, could, and may do rather than what they have done and we dont punish on the basis of fear. We punish on the basis of proof. Martha laws need to be changed. I love the belief, where there is more guns there is less crime. Walmart which sells guns does not permit you to carry a gun on their promise. I dont think that guy would have gone to first base and a state like texas if the men and women who can carry guns had been able to carry there. Martha thank god and dayton, those people are running for their lives and he is running in the door and he gets taken out by an amazing response they show me some of the most Courageous Police work and my career. They were fearless. Martha apparently five of the six officers who took him out had been on the forest for less than three years. They are new and brave and they did amazing job. We will leave it there. We will pick up our conversation as we continue. Its difficult stuff. You are doing a great job and focusing on these core issues. Martha we have to get some solutions here. The federal government established an entire agency to set up security in the aftermath of 9 11, but what is being done to prevent violence from within . This conversation continues after the break. I couldnt have asked for better parents, but like most people they didnt have anyone to teach them the best financial habits. So we changed that. As a Financial Health coach, i help people every day. I try to put myself in their shoes from my own experience. I connect to them because ive been there. Helping families like mine save a little money changes everything. This is personalized guidance. This is wells fargo. 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Can retaliate. How can the treasury retaliate . Most least mostly small steps, a reaction to the weakening currency at its lowest in 11 years. Also the latest, the currency war with a weaker currency benefiting the countrys economy by making their exports cheaper. President trump tweeting saying china is intent to receive the hundreds of billions of dollars theyve been taking from the u. S. , unfair trade practices and currency manipulation. It should have been stopped many years ago. A sentiment echoed by many advisors tonight. The American Public has come to understand that because of the leadership but the stakes are involved in and what china is doing to us, thats the force to these lobbyists and swamp creatures. They want us to give up and let china have their way. China announcing it. That farm goods with the intent with 10 of the chinese goods starting september 1st and this is a serious violation between the heads of state and the u. S. This escalation and the trade dispute has investors selling off stocks. The worst day on wall street i dont expect too much bakery tomorrow with the latest move tonight. Martha susan lee, thank you. Good to have you with us. Can the lessons of 9 11 be used two and mass shooting in america . The fbi agent who helped hunt down the unabomber and karl rove, next. Thats why esurance is making the whole experience surprisingly painless. So, you never have to talk about it. Unless youre their spokesperson. Esurance. Its surprisingly painless. Dprevagen is the number onemild memopharmacistrecommendedng . Memory support brand. You can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. To the wait did frowe just winners. Prouders everyone uses their phone differently. Thats why Xfinity Mobile lets you design your own data. Now you can share it between lines. Mix with unlimited, and switch it up at anytime so you only pay for what you need. 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How do we put our best minds towards making america safe from shootings that are now coming faster than we can keep track of . The former Deputy Assistant of the counterterrorism assistant and karl rove, former advisor to president w bush. He served in the white house following the 9 11 terrorist attacks. Thank you for being here tonight. I was thinking about this, when you face a threat as a nation which clearly we face now in our churches and schools and bars and nights out on saturday night, how do you begin to sort of locked down. I thought about the fact that we listen to chatter. The terrorists are planning something. So now the chatter comes in the form on the internet, 8 can for example, is there a way to get at them at that stage of the game . There may be and we will have to be talking about that a lot and looking in the next few days and months, but the thing is, you think about statesponsored terror and organizations like al qaeda, we can apply the military and these tools to them because they are effective, but with a lone terrorist or a massive shooter and we have found that they have a lot of the same psychology. All the weaponry in the world, the surveillance in the world even listening to things and looking online are not necessarily going to help us identify those people and even a bigger problem, when we identify them are millions of people who subscribe to certain philosophies and theories and believe all kinds of things. Very few of them, hardly any will become mass shooters. It will not resort to this violence. 20 years ago we found, Mental Illness is the connection. How do we see that and identify when that is . I will stop with that. We havent gotten there. We dont have the apparatus or the structure, the right experts to figure all of that out. We waste in my opinion a lot of time by spending all this discussion, very ugly on firearms when we can spend a lot of that time with the real solutions. Martha he worked in the white house. This is a nationwide crisis. How would you advise a president at this point, the president about the capability, what can he do . What can he change . This is so fundamentally different than the threat of external fundamentalism that we face and in part because of distance. They were abroad, but they wanted to hurt us here and we could surveilled their communications. They didnt have amendment rights. We could surveilled their communications. Chatter was the communication between people as known extremists were likely extremists. Talking to each other and we were listed in their communications, electronic and wireless and digital. Somebody if they wanted to operate inside the country there was a communication. Somebody would reach out. Even if they were a lone actor, it would be communicating or attempting to reach out. I think the assistant director headed absolutely right. One of the difficulties, people who are selfmotivated and who launch themselves with little communication with others and one of the key things will have to be, you realize that if you see something, do something. Three families three families around the shooter, the el paso shooter. They should have heard or seen some of these signs of his intense anger and shared it. Martha doesnt seem like much they can do though. They say you cant act unless there is violence. We are out of time. Thank you so much. More the story after this. Not again. Limu thats your reflection. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty if you have moderate Little Things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. 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Our country adored two Mass Shootings, one was in el paso, texas, and one was in dayton, ohio. Two massacres backtoback, looking for themes that connect one, they are not political. We know that. One gunman appeared to be something of a right winger, others according to elizabeth warren, no lesson to