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Scrap the archaic, out of date term race. Its 8 pm. And this is the saturday five a. Well saturday five a. Well, come to the saturday five. Its very hot outside and its likely to get pretty heated in here as well over the next hour. So grab yourself a cold drink or two and get ready for some feisty debate. But as you know, every week ill be Emily Benjamin and myself are joined by a guest star. Tonight , its none star. And tonight, its none other than lynn. Me . Yes now, the premise of the show is each us gets 60s is simple. Each of us gets 60s to outline our argument about our chosen topic. Then we all pile in and the discussion starts. As always, please do let us know what you think. Get in touch by emailing gbviews gbnews. Com. But before we start tearing each other apart, it is your saturday night news with Aaron Armstrong. News with Aaron Armstrong. Very good evening to you. Lets get you up to date with the headlines from the gb newsroom. Escaped terror suspect daniel caliph has been apprehended bringing an end to his days the run. He was his four days on the run. He was pulled from a bicycle by a plainclothes officer canal plainclothes officer on a canal towpath in northolt, west london, 12 miles from wandsworth prison. And thats where he escaped from on wednesday. The search focussed on chiswick earlier after witnesses placed him in the area. The Prime Minister praised efforts by the police and commander dominic murphy, the mets Counter Terror terrorism chief, says the public played an integral role. Played an integral role. Weve had a significant number of counterterrorism detectives working on this and officers and staff from across so15 here, but also a huge amount of support from the wider metropolitan police who have been utterly dedicated to trying to find daniel. And so at the moment, at that moment in time, there were a large number of officers in the south west london searching for london area all searching for daniel. And im pleased to say thats to his capture thats what led to his capture this morning. Media the this morning. The media and the pubuc a this morning. The media and the public a very, very public have paid a very, very substantial role, and that cooperation so cooperation has been so significant daniel significant in finding daniel and sure that hes back and making sure that hes back in today. In custody today. More than a thousand people have killed and hundreds have been killed and hundreds more after more are injured after a powerful earthquake central powerful earthquake in central morocco. The scale of the damage can be seen in these pictures from amizmiz, a town at the foot of the Atlas Mountains around 40 miles southwest of marrakesh, which was the epicentre of the quake. And many of the deaths are understood to be in these remote areas. Further complicating rescue efforts, the 6. 8 magnitude earthquake is the strongest to hit the north african country in a century. African country in a century. Relatives of ten year old sarah sharif have been detained for questioning by police in pakistan. Her father and his partner and their children fled the uk for pakistan after sarah was found dead at her home in woking last month. A post mortem examination found she had suffered multiple injuries over an extended period of time. An extended period of time. Rishi sunak says hes optimistic that the uk and india can overcome any final hurdles in negotiations and conclude a free trade deal. The prime negotiations and conclude a free trade deal. The Prime Minister held talks with his indian counterpart, Narendra Modi at the 620 counterpart, Narendra Modi at the g20 summit of the worlds leading economies. It was in delhi earlier. Delegates have agreed on a joint declaration , agreed on a joint declaration, including a strong statement on the war in ukraine, although the statement didnt directly criticise russia. President Vladimir Putin and indeed the chinese leader xi jinping, were not at the summit. This is gb not at the summit. This is gb news across the uk on tv, on your Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker to just say play gb news. Now its back. To the. Gb news. Now its back. To the. Thanks, aaron. Its saturday night. Youre with the saturday five. Im emily carver and i can promise you are in for a very lively hour this evening. So lets crack on tonights lets crack on with tonights first debate. Now, then, darren is going tell us about why uk is going to tell us about why uk taxpayers are footing the bill for crimes committed on french soil. Yes, you heard it is grime time. Absolutely. Emily, this story absolutely. Emily, this story makes me as red as your dress. Last week i was in israel. Last week and i was right in the eye of the storm as as really police squared off with eritrean migrants. Now, this sparked a no migrants. Now, this sparked a no nonsense declaration from israels Prime Minister benjamin netanyahu. Netanyahu. What happened yesterday crossed a red line. Its a riot. Its bloodshed. These are riots we cannot accept. Therefore the first thing i do is to wish recovery to the Police Officers who were injured dunng Police Officers who were injured during the attempts to restore order. We asked for strong measures against the rioters, including the immediate deportation of those who took part in it. Now, you at home might well be thinking fair enough, but enter the london based keyboard warriors quick to racism warriors quick to shout racism and absolutely anything. Now, in my opinion , netanyahu is my opinion, netanyahu is a leader who stands his ground right defending israels borders without apology. Not just without apology. Hes not just talking about deportations. Hes actually pledging fences across its border with jordan, for example, to thwart illegal migration to israel. Now, heres migration to israel. Now, heres the kicker. Israel isnt a country that surrendered its Border Security to some pontificating European Court that loves to school britain on human rights. I was reminded of this when yesterdays headlines declared that to channel migrants who dared to assault French Police are now behind bars now , now, wait a second. Bars now, now, wait a second. Because you might think theyre in behind bars in their own countries such as iraq or sudan, where they hail from. But where they hail from. But theyre not theyre not even in france. Theyre serving time at his majestys pleasure. All on his majestys pleasure. All on your dime. And lets not kid ourselves here. Theyll be out faster than you can say britain. The soft touch nation. Can you picture a uk Prime Minister labelling these thugs as infiltrators and swearing to defend our borders come hell or high water . In comparison to netanyahu, our Current Parliament is a gaggle of parliamentary pussycats , not a parliamentary pussycats, not a single roaring british lion among them. And as for emmanuel macrons 0. 02 on britains potential exit from the strasbourg ec court or his stance maybe on migrant returns to france , frankly, i couldnt to france, frankly, i couldnt care less because, mark my words , rishi sunak your own macron level Rugby World Cup embarrassment is just around the corner. For embarrassment is just around the corner. For emmanuel macron. Corner. For emmanuel macron. And he could. Be bornu he could. Be bornu. To i mean, emily, do you agree that rishi sunakis emily, do you agree that rishi sunak is going to have somewhat cooked his goose if hes not going to be actually robust on this and actually do something because so many viewers are writing in saying , because so many viewers are writing in saying, i because so many viewers are writing in saying , i cannot for writing in saying, i cannot for the life of understand why we the life of me understand why we as taxpayers are putting as british taxpayers are putting these people up in our prisons. Well, i think its because they manage to after they tried to beat up the French Police, they managed get on a they managed to get on board a dinghy over uk dinghy and cross over to uk waters. So probably why. Waters. So thats probably why. But what cant understand is but what i cant understand is that these two guys have been charged with attempting to arrive in the uk illegally, but from what i can see and what from what i can see and what from everyone can see, many tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands have done the same thing. So im wondering why they havent been sentenced with a crime. Is it simply because they were aggressive on the French Border . Im very , very confused border . Im very, very confused about that one. I mean, benjamin, you must, as a zionist yourself, i think you may self declare as that. You may self declare as that. Would you would you agree with Benjamin Netanyahus comments . Benjamin netanyahus comments . No, because i think its a slightly different point to the one you make. But i think supporting the state of israel and incumbent and supporting the incumbent israeli is not israeli Prime Minister is not the. And im been to the same thing. And im been to israel times. Big israel many times. Im a big supporter right exist supporter of its right to exist. It but you know,. It but look, you know, netanyahu says a lot of things, but his country is in a bit of a mess domestically. So im not sure greatest leader sure hes the greatest leader going. Dont going. Now, what i dont understand these people understand with these people being that being in british prisons is that if committed a crime if you have committed a crime and you are a foreign national, you should back that you should go back to that country. Thats the same reason you same you nod. But thats the same reason begum reason why i think Shamima Begum should and not should be in prison here and not in a camp in Northern Syria because country where people are from is where they should in prison. So do think it was wrong so do you think it was wrong then for keir starmer be then for keir starmer to be against the prisoner deportations when he when he was one the 50 signatory of that one of the 50 signatory of that letter trying to get letter who was trying to get people to stop being deported to the countries that they were from theyd from because of crimes theyd done in the uk. Depends slightly well, it depends slightly on when here. Does it when they came here. So does it. Why . Because i think some of these here when they. Why . Because i think some of theselike here when they. Why . Because i think some of theselike seven here when they. Why . Because i think some of theselike seven years re when they. Why . Because i think some of theselike seven years old. Hen they. Why . Because i think some of theselike seven years old. Andthey were like seven years old. And so that say they were like seven years old. And so from that say they were like seven years old. And so from ghana, say they were like seven years old. And so from ghana, for say they were like seven years old. And so from ghana, for example, were from ghana, for example, the idea that you would send them for committing a them to ghana for committing a crime they here crime at 25 when they came here at five old, would not be at five years old, would not be reasonable if you came here as a child, no connections, child, you have no connections, maybe language skill the maybe no language skill from the country i think country youre from. I think thatis country youre from. I think that is a moral. Its unethical. But if you came here as an adult and a crime, then you and you commit a crime, then you should be out the door. But turning to you, do should be out the door. Ithink turning to you, do should be out the door. Ithink there ning to you, do should be out the door. Ithink there is1g to you, do should be out the door. Ithink there is any you, do should be out the door. Ithink there is any argument you think there is any argument that suggests maybe something theres a nuance between benjamins argument and my own argument , or benjamins argument and my own argument, or do you benjamins argument and my own argument , or do you actually argument, or do you actually side with one over the other . The thing im quite balanced on but thing that on this, but the thing that annoys me mostly about this immigration debate is how people feel in england when they say, we need to do something about migration. Stigmatised, migration. They are stigmatised, they racists. If they are called racists. But if you at some of the you look at some of the countries around the take countries around the world take from for from where im from, for example, and nigeria , example, barbados and nigeria, saudi arabia, their immigration policies are far harsher than ours. So why . Why do we never ours. So why . Why do we never criticise them . Every country should have right to protect should have a right to protect their but at the same their borders, but at the same time, i include some time, where i include some nuance and some context is that many of us now enjoy joy going to, lets say turkish deaneries and Indian Restaurants and so on and Indian Restaurants and so on and so forth. And we have to understand that many of these people did actually come here illegally not illegally because theres not safe routes of passage. If there were routes come here, were safer routes to come here, then we wouldnt see in great. Weve not seen so many people come here illegally. So im not going to say its right. I do think we need to do something about it. However, when you close so many routes, close so many legal routes, youre get illegal youre going to get illegal immigration and ask immigration and i always ask people hugely critical. People that are hugely critical. Im of our im more critical of our government opposed to the government as opposed to the people that are coming here, because you, had because wouldnt you, if you had an life, wouldnt try an awful life, wouldnt you try and somewhere . An awful life, wouldnt you try and thinknewhere . An awful life, wouldnt you try and think youree . An awful life, wouldnt you try and think youre wrong about i think youre wrong about that, though, you could that, though, because you could get the and get on a flight to the uk and then try and claim asylum. People coming this way people are coming in this way because its and can because its easier and you can get the protocols. Get around the protocols. So even so many safe and even if we had so many safe and legal , people would still legal routes, people would still take ways. So for take different ways. So for example, people coming now, people from india, we example, people coming now, peop|so from india, we example, people coming now, peop|so many from india, we example, people coming now, peop|so many visas india, we example, people coming now, peop|so many visas available to have so many visas available to people coming from india, yet they choose on dinghy they choose to come on a dinghy because want circumvent because they want to circumvent that. Cant get my that. But what i cant get my head ones head around and no ones answered this. Perhaps have answered this. Perhaps we have to judgement and to look at the judgement and look sentencing remarks. Look at the sentencing remarks. But these two sent but why were these two sent first now imprisoned for first and now imprisoned for trying to enter this country illegally . Surely that applies to anyone coming in. I am confused about this. Can it only be because of the violence . I think the french, it makes no sense. Theyve committed an offence here in france. Youve got lads and get got to get these lads and get them out. But ill on that. Them out. But ill be on that. Lin mei made a point there that i really want your opinion on, which is the fact of israel itself, what israel is doing with eritrean migrants, for example. Why does it always seem example. Why does it always seem like when britain, which doesnt have rhetoric as strong as that by netanyahu, when britain ever says something like, well, you know, we need robust controls here, why is it britain that is renowned as some kind of unique evil for wanting border controls . 7. I . I think 7 i think its em 7 i think its very bizarre when you hear these arguments coming from the left most of the time against having tough border controls. And there is controls. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying we need a controlled immigration policy. That should be something which all political parties, the parties, perhaps apart from the green , can agree upon. We green party, can agree upon. We do want open borders. That green party, can agree upon. We do beint open borders. That green party, can agree upon. We do be chaos� n borders. That green party, can agree upon. We do be chaos. Borders. That green party, can agree upon. We do be chaos. So rders. That green party, can agree upon. We do be chaos. So we s. That green party, can agree upon. We do be chaos. So we needat would be chaos. So we need a Strong Border with a strong immigration policy is both immigration policy which is both controls migration, but allows the migration in that we the skilled migration in that we need to plug the employment gaps in economy. In our economy. Well , i in our economy. Well, i think well end yes, well, i think well end it but benjamin, i never it there. But benjamin, i never knew benjamin send him knew youd be. Benjamin send him home. Anyway , the home. Butterworth anyway, the only open border party is the one thats in government because theyre the ones that are letting hundreds of thousands. Well, exactly whose identity we dont into the country. We dont know into the country. Well what . We dont know into the country. We actually what . We dont know into the country. We actually agreet . We dont know into the country. We actually agree with that. I actually agree with that. And up next, its and hes and up next, its albee and hes going talking going to be talking about parental responsibility or perhaps more accurately, the apparent take it apparent lack of it. Take it away, albee data published this week found that 1 in 5 School Children are regularly skipping school. That equates to about 1. 8 million british schoolchildren are skipping school on a regular basis. This is up from 1 in 10 School Children since the advent of the pandemic. Now why is this happening . Some people are happening . Some people are saying its because these children are more anxious, theyre depressed after the pandemic, or they simply fell out of the habit of going to school. So they dont want to go anymore. And now whilst that anymore. And now whilst that might all be true, i cant quite get my head around the prospect that todays children , they ask that todays children, they ask their parents, they dont want to go to school and their parents response is, oh, dont worry darling , if you stay at worry darling, if you stay at home then i find that absolutely absurd. And im in my 20s. Absurd. And im in my 20s. Granted my late 20s, it wasnt that long ago that i was at school the thought of me saying to my mother in the morning, mummy, i dont fancy going to school today. And letting me school today. And her letting me off just for the birds. Even off is just for the birds. Even more for the birds was stella creasy. This week on politics live when i simply stated what i thought was the obvious choice. I think this whole idea that oh, you know, its just that kids are feeling a little bit more anxious and weve got to give them more support in schools. Yes, that might be true. But yes, that might be true. But weve also to give the weve also got to give the parents in posterior parents a kick in the posterior to you need to get your to say, you need to get your children to school. This to say, you need to get your children to school. This is your responsibility. Its a partnership between school and parents. And the parents have got to obe that might sound great on gb news, but the actual reality of dealing with families, families families, especially families who working 2 3 who are probably working 2 or 3 jobs how work with them jobs and how you work with them like have all the like you can have all the rhetoric reality rhetoric you want, the reality on ground and you have on the ground and you have youve know, its just youve just, you know, its just about parents to do about telling the parents to do better. That was my parents my that was my parents in my community that was my parents in my contheirity that was my parents in my contheir kids. That was my parents in my contheir kids. Theyre facing a for their kids. Theyre facing a number of barriers can number of barriers and we can either rhetoric at the either have this rhetoric at the top and ignore can top and ignore it or we can watch this and think, watch films like this and think, how get more of those how can we get more of those people to think its people to i think its everyones responsibility. Everyones responsibility. Albion know stella. It is albion i know stella. It is not everyones responsibility to send children to school. It is the parents responsibility to send their children to school. Send their children to school. Now, i dont know why that has to only sound good on gb news it seems like plain old common sense to we children sense to me. We have children going to school today, going to reception who are unable to turn pages and books, who arent potty trained , who cant read at potty trained, who cant read at the that you would expect the level that you would expect Children Reading at when children to be reading at when theyre to for theyre going to school for the first time. When did such first time. Hmm. When did such low standards become so acceptable in Public Society . We acceptable in Public Society . We need to be getting tougher on the parents who arent doing the right thing for their children. And absolutely nothing and theres absolutely nothing wrong with saying that parents need to kick in the posterior to do thing for their do the right thing for their children. Benjamin youre a pal children. Benjamin youre a pal of stellas, arent you . Do you think she was right . Is it everyones responsibility to get children to school . I think shes dealing with the reality of those families lives far more accurately than you were. You know, its easy to say that, oh, just force the kid to go to school. Well, actually, especially once you to especially once you get to teenage, know, can be teenage, you know, it can be pretty hard to control some of these know, pretty hard to control some of thesemight know, pretty hard to control some of thesemight have know, pretty hard to control some of thesemight have all know, pretty hard to control some of thesemight have all iof w, they might have all sorts of issues, especially after covid. And so think, you know, you and so i think, you know, you have look at why is it that have to look at why is it that someone go to someone doesnt want to go to school . Being bullied school . Are they being bullied and they having a wider and are they having a wider mental you know, Mental Health problem . You know, are having with are they having an issue with the think youre the teacher . I think youre better off to look at the issues rather just shouting at rather than just shouting at a kid. Bullied at school, kid. I was bullied at school, lin and i often want lin mei and i often didnt want to school, but my mother to go to school, but my mother always sent me school. Always sent me to school. Are from a i know that you are from a west background. You west indian background. If you went your oh, went to your parents. Oh, i dont fancy going school dont fancy going to school today feeling today because im feeling anxious. Do you think they would today because im feeling anxious. Youou think they would today because im feeling anxious. You stay1ink they would today because im feeling anxious. You stay atk they would today because im feeling anxious. You stay at home . Nould today because im feeling anxious. You stay at home . Well, have let you stay at home . Well, i often do that. I often did do that. My mother couldnt force i often did do that. To my mother couldnt force i often did do that. To go 1y mother couldnt force i often did do that. To go to mother couldnt force i often did do that. To go to school. Couldnt force i often did do that. To go to school. Coul sheforce i often did do that. To go to school. Coul she had me to go to school. And she had to fathers heavy hand to have my fathers heavy hand to have my fathers heavy hand to come and and put the fear to come and say and put the fear of and problem of god in me. And the problem with that is im a bit older than im 30s and now than you. Im in my 30s and now were children empowered were seeing children empowered to saying no to their parents. Were tock videos, were seeing tick tock videos, you them from you know, preventing them from even communicating with their parents, think about their Mental Health and i dont think this is something that we just look at the parents with. This is Society Issue where is a Society Issue where children being empowered children are being empowered to have control over their parents. Now, we can see so much policy that we cannot discipline our children. We are regularly children. We are regularly seeing them to go on to things like childline for the most minor of things. So im going to pose this question to you, albie. If you were to have a 13 year old, thats says unequivocally, i am not leaving the house today, would you the house today, how would you get to school . Get them to go to school . Would up i would pick them up physically, in the car physically, put them in the car and there. Darren, and drive them there. Darren, what do . What would you do . Well, i said physically, oh, i think the police will be i think the police will not be happy i think the police will not be hapld them up the id kick them up the posterior. , i posterior. But listen, i actually think this is and its going to get on to what emilys talking later on. Talking about later on. Actually, i think this is a wider personal wider issue of personal responsibility. If you have kids, a massive response kids, that is a massive response ability. The greatest gift, perhaps anyone will ever know. But if youre not willing and the royal foundation, which was the royal foundation, which was the then duke and duchess of cambridge, now prince and princess of wales, they found had loads of stats saying that actually 59 actually reckon its the schools responsibility to teach a kid to read and write. For example. Now that to write. For example. Now that to me is a pretty indictment on where we are as a country where it says, and i did think that was a really interesting point actually, where kids feel emboldened to just say no , we emboldened to just say no, we are raising a generation of entitled little brats. Yes. Yes. Yes. But we its our generation. But we its our generation. Who are these childrens parents . Is there anything about how weve been brought up the things that weve been consuming, emily, that make people or a little bit people our age or a little bit older , worse parents than people our age or a little bit older , voura parents than people our age or a little bit older , vour parentss than people our age or a little bit older , vour parents or1an grandparents . Oh, a lot of a lot of my peers at school were allowed to do wanted. And i do whatever they wanted. And i had if shes watching, had a mum, if shes watching, i had a mum, if shes watching, i had mum who would get in the had a mum who would get in the car and drag me out of a house party if she didnt approve or if she found out that there werent parents there or something. I mean if no men. No in household and that was in my household and that was pretty much how things were done. There was absolutely no way be able not way that id be able to not go to school. Understand and to school. But i understand and i that , you know, i understand that, you know, some people have extremely difficult home lives. I think the problem also is that a lot of parents of these children who arent going to school probably dont care for school either. And thats maybe the issue. They dont its worthwhile dont think its worthwhile ehhen dont think its worthwhile either. Why would you why either. So why would you why would force child go either. So why would you why wc school, force child go either. So why would you why wc school, gone child go either. So why would you why wc school, gone up child go either. So why would you why wc school, gone up fromild go either. So why would you why wcschool, gone up from 11 go either. So why would you why wcschool, gone up from 1 in go either. So why would you why wcschool, gone up from 1 in 10 o to school, gone up from 1 in 10 before the pandemic to 1 in 5 after the pandemic . Before the pandemic to 1 in 5 aftel the pandemic . Before the pandemic to 1 in 5 aftel wonderrdemic . Is, i wonder why that is, benjamin once benjamin i did try at once i because gordon brown was delivering the budget. Oh, my god, i hate. Oh, god, oh, my god, i hate. Oh, god, how exciting. In the spare how exciting. In the Spare Bedroom to watch it on the television. Oh, my god. Its the only time i ever true. Well, theres an education, benjamin. School to watch gordon brown sell off our nations gold. Still ahead, benjamin thinks sunak should approve that. Actually, the people would pick him for pm and lynn. Sick of race baiting on both sides. And race baiting on both sides. And emily carver, well, shes asking whether or not were all turning into work. Shy radio. Welcome back to the saturday five. So youve been sending in your emails. Frank says, i hate to disagree with darren. Oh but we have to pay for it if we dont, nobody will. Well, there you go. Debbie says when in you go. Debbie says when in doubt, the french. Oh, doubt, blame the french. Oh, thats one for you, right . Lets get to our next debate. What have we got on the cards . Yes. Up next, sunak says the people want him. Benjamin butterworth says prove it. Butterworth says prove it. Right. This yeah, thats right. This week, rishi sunak called in all of his special advisers in downing street, and he said to them, you can only if you them, you can only stay if you believe i could win the election. Well, shortly after that, his head of comms quit. Election. Well, shortly after that, his head of comms quit. So that, his head of comms quit. So that, his head of comms quit. So that a great sign , but that wasnt a great sign, but its a bit him hoping he can win the election is a like me the election is a bit like me holding hope that i can holding out hope that i can still clooney. Its still marry george clooney. Its really very likely. Of really not very likely. Of course, is a year course, this week is a year since rishi sunak lost his last election against a woman who lasted less time in downing street than a lettuce lifespan. So im not sure his election winning history is very good. But he said , look, ive got five but he said, look, ive got five pledges that i will meet , that pledges that i will meet, that i will stop losing everything. So will stop losing everything. So he said hell halve inflation and stop the boats. Well, i dont want to ruin the end of the story, but hes doing nehhen the story, but hes doing neither. Now he has said that if hes got the confidence , he said hes got the confidence, he said on the flight to the g20 in india to say that he is going to win the election and that he should have confidence in him and that hes going to turn it around. Well, i think id sooner take hr advice from i take hr advice from lizzo that i would election winning advice from sunak at this stage. From rishi sunak at this stage. The that weve had the truth is that weve had years of floundering and bluster from tory pms who dont know why theyre there, dont know what theyre there, dont know what theyre doing and dont have support of the country for almost 12 months, labour has been 20 points ahead in the polls , which is the biggest long polls, which is the biggest long lead that has ever been recorded in modern polling. Even tony blair didnt get that in the 1990s, so rishi sunak is going to go around journalists and advisers saying, im going to win this. The people want me. Win this. The people want me. And ill tell you what, rishi, why dont you go to the people now . Ill be the only safe seat. I knew you were going to come to me first. I wonder why that was. Well, the only seat was. Well, the only safe seat youre desperate for than youre more desperate for than the stool sat on is a the stool youre sat on is a tory seat. Tory safe seat. Tell me, how do you think so tell me, how do you think rishi sunak can win . Look, i think the general election yet election is not yet decided yet. And only that matters. And the only poll that matters is poll on polling day. And is the poll on polling day. And youll forgetting that it is a very big feat for any Political Party to turn around an 80 or so seat majority that the conservative party is currently have. That would require a bigger swing for labour than we saw with tony blair against major in 1997. Im not saying its impossible , but im just its impossible, but im just saying its very difficult and its never actually been done before. I think maybe the most before. I think maybe the most ill be no, im not embarrassed at all. Embarrassing. But you know, you hear a lot of people on this channel who are for the right of the or right of the conservatives or right of the conservatives or right of the cause theyre the conservatives cause theyre furious. The conservatives cause theyre furi� middle who are furious the middle who are furious because getting the middle who are furious becauslike getting the middle who are furious becauslike education. Atting the middle who are furious becauslike education. Right. Things like education. Right. The are crumbling. The the schools are crumbling. The waiting nhs are waiting lists for nhs are a nightmare. You not look at nightmare. Do you not look at this and think, god, im ashamed. Im not embarrassed anymore. I was certainly embarrassed last yeah i was certainly embarrassed last year. I think the last couple of months johnson months of Boris Johnson was a disaster. The months of Boris Johnson was a disaster. The time months of Boris Johnson was a disaster. The time that months of Boris Johnson was a disaster. The time that liz truss was in office was just days air. I actually still think ihave days air. I actually still think i have trauma and ptsd from that period. So that was an embarrassing and difficult penod embarrassing and difficult period to be a conservative. But now that rishi sunak at the now that rishi sunak is at the helm, confident that were helm, im confident that were on right track. On the right track. Darren, youre from i think you support the brexit party in the is that right . You support the brexit party in the i is that right . You support the brexit party in the i have s that right . You support the brexit party in thei have. That right . I have. I have. Ive do you know what, benjamin . I cant actually remember ever voted for remember if ive ever voted for the party. Yes, i have. The brexit party. Yes, i have. In the european elections on the brexit party. Yes, i have. In tballjropean elections on the brexit party. Yes, i have. In tball aspean elections on the brexit party. Yes, i have. In tball as ever. Elections on the ball as ever. Me , do you think but tell me, do you think voters like that are likely to return to sunak as tory voters like that are likely to return when sunak as tory voters like that are likely to return when it sunak as tory voters like that are likely to return when it comes as tory voters like that are likely to return when it comes to tory voters like that are likely to return when it comes to the leader when it comes to the election . Actually would argue well, i actually would argue that voters are looking at both parties and saying i dont want them because theyre both two cheeks of the same behind. Cheeks of the same behind. Because youve got talk because youve got you talk about rishi with the list about rishi sunak with the list that not delivering. Well, about rishi sunak with the list thatlabourot delivering. Well, about rishi sunak with the list thatlabour party, vering. Well, about rishi sunak with the list thatlabour party, theyre well, about rishi sunak with the list thatlabour party, theyre doing the labour party, theyre doing more u turns than theyre going to up in the u bend theyve to end up in the u bend theyve committed so u turns. Committed so many u turns. Jeremy clarksons looking on with at them at this point. With envy at them at this point. Youve got 28 billion a year on this Green Investment that they then turned around and said, oh, actually, were not sure wed be able to fund that. And then youve got abolishing vat exemptions on school exemptions on private school fees, meaning more kids end up in schools. That means you in state schools. That means you as a taxpayer has to foot that bill and then they go on and on and on. And the labour party has taken more positions than the sodden kamasutra era. Its absurd. Benjamin i always find it hilarious when people say keir starmer, u turns. This from a party that u turned on who should prime u turned on who should be Prime Minister three times in three months. On. The level of absurdity. Hes so dup solicitous when he became leader was he became labour leader he was left wing economically. Now suddenly hes a blairite. Or actually conservative when it comes to tax and spend. He said he was a massive greenie. Now hes rolling back on those. He hes rolling back on those. He really is. No one knows who he is. And the reason why i dont want general election is want a general election is because the only more because the only thing more horrifying because the only thing more horrifyiigovernment. Have is a current government. We have is a keir government because keir starmer government because looking at that bunch, they did this video that went out on social media and i mean, what did they look like . Seriously, theyre not ready for government. Exactly. Why should the exactly. So why should the british him . British people trust him . Because himself british people trust him . Be farse himself british people trust him . Be far up. Himself british people trust him . Be far up. Jeremy himself british people trust him . Be far up. Jeremy corbyns himself so far up. Jeremy corbyns bottom at one point. Well, exactly. Lived there. Now, he exactly. Lived there. Now, he says hes a horrible thing and got rid of him. So its so interesting because the question was, sunak win as he claims was, can sunak win as he claims he cant was, can sunak win as he claims he cant offer any he can and you cant offer any of you can only attack of sunak you can only attack ideas of the opposition ideas of what the opposition might. But thats problem might. But thats a problem though , benjamin because i think though, benjamin because i think he win. He could win. I think he win. I tell i think he could win. I tell us if he was given a little more time, which i know we dont really have, but actually really have, but but i actually think sunak is what the party needsin think sunak is what the party needs in terms of stability. Hes experienced, he understands, manage movement of money, the economy, the only shame is that hes been left with such a disaster to try and turn things around. But im with you like, yes, i think the conservative moves are absolute shambles and must all political commentators would tell you that no government should be in power longer than ten years. Theyre tired, theyve had their run. However, can we really see any form of success under a Labour Government . I mean, yes , you government . I mean, yes, you know, i always find it remarkable. Well, under keir, remarkable. Well, under keir, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean when you last had a Labour Government, were Labour Government, taxes were lower, higher, lower, growth was higher, waiting shorter , waiting lists was shorter, illegal immigration was lower, all of those things that the tories claim theyre to going do because you inherited issues, because you inherited issues, because inherited perfect because blair inherited perfect conditions and sir conditions from clarke and sir john major. Thats why blair was able to do everything that he wanted to do everything that he wanted to do and john major, right . Well, yes, thats enough of that. Still come tonight, lin that. Still to come tonight, lin mei divisive race mei tackles divisive race baiters. And ill be asking why weve workshy weve become such workshy layabouts. Youre with the saturday on gb news. Saturday five live on gb news. But your weather , but first, its your weather, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. 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That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news dont go weather on. Gb news dont go anywhere because still to come, emily says we need to get our behinds in gear or were now a work shy nation here with the saturday five live on. Radio. Welcome back to the saturday five, as always. Cheers very much for your emails about tonights topic. Much for your emails about tonights topic. Pauls written tonights topic. Pauls written in, he says thats the first time ive ever agreed with benjamin. Time ive ever agreed with benjamin. Hes right. Sunak is toast. Well, there we are. Now toast. Well, there we are. Now its toast. Well, there we are. Now wsfime toast. Well, there we are. Now its time for our next debate. Its time for our next debate. Its emily. And emilys going to be asking, why do brits hate work so much . Its time for the work so much . Its time for the carver palaver. Carver palaver. Yes, brits dont like work. According to a poll of 24 countries with a least likely to think its important. Were also the least likely to say it should take priority over having fun. And only 39 of us believe that hard work will bring us a better life in the long run. Let that sink in. Only a little more than a third of us actually think hard will benefit think working hard will benefit our lives. If think working hard will benefit our lives. If you think working hard will benefit our lives. If you have that our lives. If you have that attitude, if youre thinking grafting isnt going to make the slightest bit of difference to your , would even your life, why would you even bother to get on . Lets bother trying to get on . Lets face a lot brits would face it, a lot of brits would rather feet up a rather have their feet up with a cup a pint of beer cup of tea or a pint of beer than bother trying crack on. Than bother trying to crack on. But why are we all just lazy work shy losers who care far too much about the live part of the Work Life Balance and hope somehow things will work out in the reckon theres the end. I reckon theres certainly truth to that, certainly some truth to that, but perhaps its a tad simplistic. Hear me but perhaps its a tad simplistic. Hear me out. But perhaps its a tad simplistic. Hear me out. Could simplistic. Hear me out. Could the towards work the indifference towards work actually be a rational decision for a lot of people . Work simply doesnt pay, or at least not enough to make working hard worth. You work your 9 to 5, worth it. You work your 9 to 5, you to the end of the month. You get to the end of the month. The tax man has slashed your payslip to payslip in half and you think to yourself, point in yourself, whats the point in doing more than bare doing any more than the bare minimum . A minimum . Perhaps youre a graduate faces the graduate who now faces the equivalent a 55 marginal tax equivalent of a 55 marginal tax rate and you dont a hope rate and you dont have a hope in getting the in hell of getting on the property anyway. Even property ladder anyway. And even those to those lucky, luckily enough to be on £100,000 a year, why bother putting your nose to the grindstone, more hours grindstone, taking on more hours trying a promotion when trying to get a promotion when youll about 40 of youll see only about 40 of whatever take home. Whatever extra you take home. And on top of all that, youre fed up at seeing our taxes squandered incompetent squandered by incompetent politicians. Into a politicians. It all feeds into a feeling of whats the point . Im not sure. A kick up the bum is going to solve this conundrum. So there you go. I think that so there you go. I think that was a nice, balanced perspective from who should i go to . From me. So who should i go to . May . What do you think . Now ive seen tweets of here seen a few tweets of yours here and there that suggest you might think are some think that there are some workshy about. Think that there are some worno, about. Think that there are some worno, thinkibout. Think that there are some worno, think there are. I no, i think there are. And i think we always are massively critical of specifically economic migrants. But then ive got a couple of properties and recently ive had a lot of migrants wanting to view my properties and i asked them, you know, well, what were you in your country . And i have things such as science artists and teachers and lecturers and accountants, like, well, accountants, and im like, well, what doing here . And what are you doing here . And theyre carers. And think when theyre carers. And i think when i in welfare work, i used to be in welfare to work, i used to be in welfare to work, i constantly see british i would constantly see british people they people refused jobs because they think either think theyre either too qualified, good , cant be qualified, too good, cant be bothered, the right hours or bothered, not the right hours or just dont fancy it. So we always wonder, okay, why should we migrants to come in and we allow migrants to come in and take jobs . But dont even take our jobs . But we dont even want ourselves . Want these jobs ourselves . Yeah, i think thats a really good point. Benjamin think good point. Benjamin and i think there of brits who there are a lot of brits who maybe have a bit of an arrogance. They think they think theyre going to start on loads of money and they dont have to climb the ladder and, you know, think know all . Think they know it all . No, i dont think thats fair. I mean, for a start, brits work some the longest hours work some of the longest hours of any western economy and were one of the least. Im not sure thats true. One of the least. Im not sure tha yeah,e. One of the least. Im not sure tha yeah, thats not. Thats yeah, thats not. Thats true. E also e. E of the least were also one of the least efficient in europe. So the hours we and the hours we work and the productivity that comes out of it do not correlate just a bit. Rubbish then. It rubbish then. Well it suggests a lot people at work suggests a lot of people at work are that much. Are not doing that much. And thats broader right. And thats a broader problem. Youre problem. I think youre absolutely the absolutely right to say that the reward for work does not make absolutely right to say that the reward if r work does not make absolutely right to say that the reward if you rk does not make absolutely right to say that the reward if you look es not make absolutely right to say that the reward if you look es the make absolutely right to say that the reward if you look es the costa sense. If you look at the cost of housing, particularly in big cities south east, then cities in the south east, then its difficult to get on its very difficult to get on that ladder for lots of that housing ladder for lots of salaries moment. And you salaries at the moment. And you can that puts people off can see why that puts people off pursuing same way. Pursuing work in the same way. Work is not yeah, but work is not just about monetary gain. Its about well being. About feeling well being. Its about feeling fulfilled. Its about making your mark in the world to get up in the morning say, im in the morning and say, im adding this. Im being adding to this. Im being success my role. And success within my role. And i think just look at money, think if we just look at money, were to satisfied. I mean, let me just say, which is i agree with you. First of slightly easier to of all, its slightly easier to say if youve managed to the say if youve managed to get the security few security of owning a few properties to feel like that. Right. Advantage of right. You have the advantage of because ive worked butt off because ive worked my butt off multiple many jobs have had . How many jobs have you had . How many jobs have you had . Have several ive had well, i have several jobs now. Oh, amazing. So jobs right now. Oh, amazing. So why cant people do the newspaper . Of. Exactly. P. Benjamin, you are a shining example who will get example of someone who will get up the morning, up early in the morning, whatever whenever. Whatever day, weekend, whenever. Stay up late to do. You know, im full of a cold today. Whatever you need, youre still going to still here. Im just going to say, actually to agree with lynn that i was 16 and i was that when i was 16 and i was raised my grandparents raised by my grandparents and they even they were very clear, even though maybe they had the finances for whatever was finances to pay for whatever was needed, going needed, they were not going to give the you go out give me the money. You go out and get a job and pay and you get a job and you pay for yourself. And i got a job in a centre 16 and it built a call centre at 16 and it built my confidence and socialised me in has changed the in a way that has changed the rest of my life. And thats why i think, you sell anything . Rest of my life. And thats why i tiout you sell anything . Rest of my life. And thats why i tiout and you sell anything . Rest of my life. And thats why i tiout and get sell anything . Rest of my life. And thats why i tiout and get aell anything . Rest of my life. And thats why i tiout and get a job. 1ything . Go out and get a job. Did you to sell anything . I was number one. I worked in two number two call centres. I was number one sales of all time, one telly sales of all time, gift of gab. Gift of the gab. That was probably great experience for journalism. Absolutely gab. Absolutely gift of the gab. Albie, think . Are we albie, what do you think . Are we work . Work shy . Well, think whats really well, i think whats really interesting this survey is well, i think whats really irthinkting this survey is well, i think whats really irthink they this survey is well, i think whats really irthink they surveyed survey is well, i think whats really irthink they surveyed ajrvey is well, i think whats really irthink they surveyed a number i think they surveyed a number of Different Countries europe of Different Countries in europe. And actually, i think we can probably that taxation. And actually, i think we can proba ly that taxation. And actually, i think we can proba lot that taxation. And actually, i think we can proba lot of that taxation. And actually, i think we can proba lot of otherat taxation. And actually, i think we can proba lot of other economiction and a lot of other economic situations going on at the moment, most the european moment, most of the European Countries similar. Yet countries are quite similar. Yet brits to be the ones that brits seem to be the ones that dont think work is going to pay off the end. And why is off in the end. And so why is that equivalent economies off in the end. And so why is that france, |uivalent economies off in the end. And so why is that france, germanyzconomies off in the end. And so why is that france, germany and mies off in the end. And so why is that france, germany and they; like france, germany and they seem to think working does pay even though theres similar or higher taxation. But higher levels of taxation. But in britain , we dont think in britain, we dont think work is pay off. I cant is going to pay off. I cant quite my finger why that quite put my finger on why that might be. I think innately us as brits, we to moan. I think we like to have a moan. I think also feeds into the current also it feeds into the current culture, especially with gen z and millennials, that and younger millennials, that when people overnight when we see people overnight becoming a success, whether its on the internet , it and such and on the internet, it and such and such things like that, it makes you why should i get up and you feel why should i get up and go to my 9 to 5 when mr so and so has made 20,000 being on instagram for like a year . I on instagram for like a year . I think this is feeding into a lot of people, but they dont see the that goes into that. The work that goes into that. Most will i mean, most people will roll their they think of their eyes and they think of instagram influencers, but most instagram influencers, but most instagram put instagram influencers do put in a of graft working in a lot of graft while working in other begin with. Thats a lot of graft while working in oth can email in on that one. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Let me know. Let me know. But i remember my granddad saying, you know, he was born in 1930. Hes god rest him. But hes gone now. God rest him. But he used to say when he a he used to say when he was a kid, he cycle out and go kid, he would cycle out and go look for work. Norman tebbit said same thing get your said the same thing get on your bike, your bike. Lost bike, get on your bike. Lost that that that generation. Weve lost that spirit , that sort of idea of spirit, that sort of idea of going out and doing it. So what i would say, emily, is that we need to back National Need to Bring Back National Service need to service now. It doesnt need to look doesnt need to look look it doesnt need to look like did in the past. Do like what it did in the past. Do it first. Like to see that where id like to see that where they actually have to take up some of work a community some form of work in a community where to be around where they have to be around people actually build up skill. I think thats so good. I mean, just looking at both of you, benjamin and darren, you said did these call centre said you did these call centre hairdresser that is just can be life changing, right . Just having those conversations, Building Confidence a building that confidence as a teenagen building that confidence as a teenager. So many teenagers now cant string a sentence together, cant pick the together, cant pick up the phone , cant to someone in phone, cant talk to someone in a the problem. A shop. Is the problem. Young people work or a shop. Is the problem. the ung people work or a shop. Is the problem. the ung peopolder work or a shop. Is the problem. the ung peopolder peoplek or a shop. Is the problem. the ung peopolder people who is the problem older people who are economically inactive . True, too. Well, thats true, too. Well, thats true, too. These when we have these conversations who when we have these con out ations who when we have these con out ofons who when we have these con out of work. Who when we have these con out of work. Actually, who are out of work. Actually, its not necessarily younger not necessarily the younger people. Its the older people that decided dont that have decided they dont want to go back into work. Well, at least them do at least many of them do actually at least many of them do act|butr at least many of them do act|but i think we need to but i think we need to encourage employers in employing but i think we need to enc� olderz employers in employing but i think we need to enc� older generations in employing but i think we need to enc� older generations ,� | employing but i think we need to enc� older generations , because ing the older generations, because oftentimes up against oftentimes if theyre up against some these young some of these chatter, young people whiz on people that are whiz on technology, just dismiss technology, they just dismiss them when they have a wealth of experience and knowledge. So i think employers need to employ more people couldnt agree more. I think thats very true. I think thats very true. Theres ageism in theres so much ageism in recruitment. Yes. Recruitment. Yes. But do you actually think, though, get though, that were going to get anywhere on do you think anywhere on this or do you think actually be actually were destined to be a nafion actually were destined to be a nation rac . Nation of rac . Know, because were i dont know, because were pumping people with i pumping young people with i dont if its propaganda or dont know if its propaganda or just constantly. Just bad news constantly. Theyre be getting theyre not going to be getting on want on so many young people want to move countries clearly move countries because clearly they thats easy way they think thats the easy way out. To going be out. Its not to going be greener you know, out. Its not to going be greecrack you know, out. Its not to going be greecrack on, you know, out. Its not to going be greecrack on, work you know, out. Its not to going be greecrack on, work hard, now, out. Its not to going be greecrack on, work hard, do v, well. Its the reward for work is much greater in countries like australia or canada at the moment than it is in britain. Well, and i think the labour well, i and i think the labour party taxes, party cutting our taxes, benjamin lower under benjamin so do i. Lower under the ahead . The last labour ahead . Mei is going have her lin mei is going to have her say she reckons are say on those. She reckons are dividing country. Are you dividing our country. Are you with the saturday live on gb news. Welcome back to the saturday five. Welcome back to the saturday five. Thank welcome back to the saturday five. Thank you for your emails to connor says no im not having it emily you can keep sticking up your type if you wish. Up for your type if you wish. But once generation of but once this generation of greedy have it alls are done, therell left for the therell be nothing left for the kids no matter how kids of tomorrow. No matter how hard they work. Gosh, depressing. Are they . Lot depressing. Are they . A lot of people feel like that, but at people do feel like that, but at first its what weve got to move on. Im flabbergasted by that one. I got it completely wrong, clearly. But its time for debate. For our next debate. Next, its lin mei yes. Up next, its lin mei who will be taking on those who create divide us where she reckons none ought to exist. Take it away. Lynn may may i say, i think its about time that we eradicate the whole ideology of race and we all want racism to be completely wiped off the face of the earth. What better way to do it than to actually get rid of the ideology of race . There is oftentimes so many people, you know, white, this, black that. And if we look historically at race, it was created around the 16005. Race, it was created around the 1600s. Doesnt really mean anything. Lets even look at the term white. What does white mean 7 term white. What does white mean . Who is actually even white . Go into the sun for ten minutes. Youre no longer white, even though you werent initially were to begin with. Black. Though you werent initially were does to begin with. Black. Though you werent initially were does blackgin with. Black. Though you werent initially were does black mean . |. Black. Though you werent initially were does black mean . Andick. Though you werent initially were does black mean . And for what does black mean . And for people online, they people who are online, they often create massive divide often create this massive divide and often to try and make money and often to try and make money and forward their own careers with the likes of, say, kehinde andrews, who is a professor of black studies, who what black studies, who knows what that means for the likes of sophie corcoran, who likes to now be the ambassador for white people where doesnt people where she doesnt actually represent many white actually represent so many white people out there. And of course theyre not to defend theyre not here to defend themselves. Obviously themselves. These are obviously my on what i see, but my opinions on what i see, but if we want to unite britain , why if we want to unite britain, why are trying to are we constantly trying to barrage with this whole stupid out of date, redundant term race . Now lets look at the different groups in the world. I wont be able to finish all of them, but lets say, for example, scots, english, ukrainians , russians. There is ukrainians, russians. There is a diverse amount of people who we would once upon a time would have just said, are all white, theyre all culturally different , all have their own different ways of living. The same with black people, people from, lets say, from nigeria do not necessarily relate to those from jamaica. So lets completely get rid of race. Ooh, interesting. Ooh, interesting. Hello. I want to start with hello. I want to start with darren and ive often seen you chat spinning and theres nothing actually wrong with it. I think we should be proud of who we are, but when i see you say, you know, often times white people in, lets say seaside areas are now not finding the benefits of being in the uk and there are forgotten group. Do you think that terms like white actually makes any sense . Well, i mean, first of all, you said there that, you know , you said there that, you know, white people, you go into the sun for a little bit. I could go. I could live on the sun. I still wouldnt get tan. How still wouldnt get a tan. How did get your tan now . Did you get your tan now . I was about to say, based on that fake talent, i think you are talent. Are a fake talent. Quickly point if i just quickly point if we just this you just see here this is what you would white, would you say would call white, would you say thats the same colour . Because i wouldnt. Well yeah, i wouldnt. Well i mean, yeah, right, fine. White . Well, i think are you white . Well, i think i am. Yes, i think so. But do you think the term colour to reduce ourselves to a colour. Well i dont think its useful a metric for what i, useful as a metric for what i, what ive probably been talking about you mentioned about, which you mentioned there, been there, which would have been White Working Class kids, you know, like know, from communities like that, come from but not know, from communities like that that, come from but not know, from communities like thatthat, up come from but not know, from communities like thatthat, up andie from but not know, from communities like thatthat, up and down] but not know, from communities like thatthat, up and down the� ut not just that, up and down the country actually do think country who actually i do think have been forgotten and who are doing significantly worse in education than their black counterparts. Now, thats its great that black counterparts are doing so well at school, are fantastic. But how do we actually talk about getting White Working Class kids to do better at school . But then without mentioning them, speak about without mentioning them, speak abo because without mentioning them, speak abobecause if without mentioning them, speak abo because if we just say white, because if we just say white, there are multitudes of, lets say middle to upper class people that have idea of the that have no idea of the experience of a White Working Class individual. Why not get rid of the term white . I think we need to get rid of the term bame and it does seem to have got less fashionable now. Black and minority ethnic because there are so many disparities between different groups and you cant just pit one massive blob. Against the white. Why not white if were going to get rid of bame . Because as well. Its just factual, though, isnt it . Whats factual . Well, there are white people and there are people, but theres are black people, but theres so many people in. I think i think i think but i think i think i think the question is, why we the question is, is why do we hold gravity terms like hold such gravity to terms like black and white when actually it is no more important than blonde or ginger or brunette or black hair . We dont divide people based on their hair colour. So why does it make sense to divide people based on you . Want to go back to what . Emily . Sorry if its factual, why then are there so many people actually people that dont actually belong so you have belong to a colour . So you have black and white. What are asian then . Brown. Then . Theyre not called brown. You have chinese you have arabs, you have chinese people. Not called any people. Theyre not called any colour. People. Theyre not called any colotcompletely agree with you. I completely agree with you. And agree with you to and thats i agree with you to an extent, because dont an extent, because i dont think that at to all call that its helpful at to all call someone who has dark skin, black and group people together under the umbrella of black. When we have afro caribbean , we have have afro caribbean, we have mixed race, we have african, we have so many Different Countries where can have dark skin where people can have dark skin. And then of course, you have asian people and all asian people and you have all sorts. Dont think sorts. I mean, i dont think its good to lump people in together, often together, but i think we often talk about disparities between groups within black or within asian in this country. Groups within black or within asian in this country. And so asian in this country. And so its useful to be able to delineate between people, even if not based on white or black. Yeah. What do you think, ben . Because emilys because i see that emilys placing heavy emphasis not placing heavy emphasis on not calling black people or asian people, but im still if were going not call black people going to not call black people that because theres so much different know, nuances, that because theres so much diffe|i nt know, nuances, that because theres so much diffe|i think know, nuances, that because theres so much diffe|i think white w, nuances, that because theres so much diffe|i think white should|ces, that because theres so much diffe|i think white should be ;, that because theres so much diffe|i think white should be the then i think white should be the same. Ukrainians , theyre same. Scots ukrainians, theyre all the same. Would you all not the same. Would you agree disagree . Agree or disagree . It would rewriting i think it would be rewriting history to pretend that the terms as terms dont mean anything or as though equivalent though it is equivalent to being ginger brown, but ginger or blonde or brown, but biologically it quite literally is. Yes. But thats not the reality of society, only reality of human society, only because ideology. Go because of ideology. If you go to pretty recent history in the us, people that had all sorts of fundamental rights taken away who held as slaves , that who were held as slaves, that was because they had black skin. And so i think you cant pretend that that isnt way in which that that isnt the way in which lots of people have come about in world, family in the world, their family history, experience of how history, their experience of how theyre treated. Of course, its irrational all a variety of irrational all in a variety of ways , but it is real. Ways, but it is real. But then we do rewrite the term race because when was term race because when there was a people that came a lot of polish people that came into had a into this country, we then had a box said white other. I was box that said white other. I was initially referred to as black, then in 2001, there was a consensus formulated and now im mixed. So now it keeps changing. Its all very confusing , but its all very confusing, but cheers very much. Cheers very much. Lynn, me there with a very thought provoking one. One last email mark says, has benji had a bang on the head . Ive agreed with him twice tonight. We are next up tonight its the brilliant mark dolan. Cheers very much for watching. Well see you again next week where you might agree with benjamin again. Who knows . Again. Who knows . The temperatures rising. The temperatures rising. Boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. 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And these showers could band together, bringing some heavy rain and thunderstorms as well as the risk of some hail and some strong gusty winds. But it will be another very warm day, especially in the south east with highs of 32. Now to start the new working week. Plenty of low cloud mist and fog in the north and west to start with. Some showers breaking out later. But this rain erratically making its way south eastwards, marking a change to something slightly cooler as we go into next week where it will feel quite changeable and autumnal with those temperatures closer to average. And the temperatures average. And the temperatures rising , a average. And the temperatures rising, a boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on gb news. Very good evening to you. Its 11 00. Im very good evening to you. Its11 00. Im aaron very good evening to you. Its 11 00. Im Aaron Armstrong its11 00. Im Aaron Armstrong in the gb newsroom. Two men have been arrested under the official secrets amid allegations of secrets act amid allegations of british parliamentary researcher has spying for china. Its has been spying for china. Its understood the researcher had links to a number senior tory links to a number of senior tory mps, including security minister Tom Tugendhat and Foreign Affairs Committee Chairwoman alicia kearns. He was arrested along with another man on the 13th of march. The researcher worked with mps on International Policy , including relations with policy, including relations with china. Having previously lived china. Having previously lived and worked in beijing. The and worked in beijing. The police have thanked the public for their role