Tax return that shows a billion dollars lost in the mid90s, raising the possibility that donald trump could have voided paying income taxes for 18 years. Analysts say mike pence needs to reassure traditional voters that donald trump is their best option. As for the democrat, to him, senior advisers tell us hes going to try to make mike pence own Donald Trumps agenda, in other words force the indiana governor to either defend the republican nominee or distance himself from him. Of course mike pence c senator kaine in a similar position by going after Hillary Clintons record. Polls show she has trust issues with voters, especially after her use of a private email server. A new fox news poll shows about 30 of all voters across the land say they do not know enough about either mike pence or tim kaine to rate either man. Tonight is their chance to change that. While we dont know how Many Americans will tune in, we do know Donald Trumps planning to watch. He says hell be live tweeting throughout. With a little bit of perspective. Sham on . Shep, senator tim kaine, when asked how he was feeling going into the debate, simply very good. Were told his debate prep has been very serious and focused, fueled by a steady stream of black coffee and m ms. Hillary clinton tweeted out a short time ago, tim kaine spent his whole life fighting for workingam doubt hell do the same tonight, go tim. The trump team said it would do some praying today along with a link talking about what is the most important thing for him every day. Pence says hes been preparing for this day since he got the call from trump to join the together. Scott walker has been playing the role of senator kaine in mock debates with pence. The strategy is for pence to pivot away from attacks on trump and turn criticism back on mrs. Clintons record. From key battleground states shows theres some shifting at the top of the ticket. In florida, clinton leads trump 4641 with johnson getting 5 and stein shoring 2. In north carolina, clinton is up 3 points, 4643 there with johnson at 7 . Trump is leading in ohio by a margin of 4742 , 6 for johnson and 1 for stein. In pennsylvania, clinton is up 4541 over getting 5 and stein pulling in 2, shep. Shannon, the two candidates, were told, have never met each other facetoface. They will in a few seconds. The moderator from cbs news, elaine quijano, tonight on fox broadcast network. Good evening, from Longwood University in farmville, virginia, and welcome to the first and only Vice President ial debate of 2016, sponsored by the commission on president ial cbsn and correspondent for cbs news. Its an honor to moderate this debate between senator tim kaine and governor mike pence, both long time Public Servants, also proud fathers of sons serving in the u. S. Marines. The campaigns have agreed to the rules of this 90minute debate. There will be nine different segments covering domestic and Foreign Policy issues. Each segment will begin with a question to both candidates who will each have two minutes to answer. Then item ask to facilitate a discussion between the candidates. By coin toss, its been determined that senator kaine will be first to answer the opening question. We have an enthusiastic audience tonight. Theyve agreed to only express that enthusiasm once at the end of the debate. And right now, as we welcome governor mike pence and senator tim kaine. Gentlemen, welcome. It truly is a privilege to be with both of you tonight. I would like to start with the topic of president ial leadership. 28 years ago, tomorrow night, Lloyd Bentsen said, the Vice President ial debate was about the qualifications for the vice presidency but about how, if tragedy should occur, the Vice President has to step in without any margin for error, without time for preparation, to take over the responsibility for the biggest job in the world. What about your qualities, your skills, and your temperament equip you to step into that role at a moments notice . Senator kaine . Elaine, thank you for being here tonight, and governor pence, welcome, it is so great virginia. This is a very special place. 65 years o, a young, courageous woman, barbara johns, led a walkout of her high school. Sh m htory by protesting school segregation. She believed our nation was stronger together. And that walkout led tthe brown versus board of education decision that moved us down the path toward equality. I am so proud to be running with another strong, historymaking woman, Hillary Clinton, to be president of the United States. Im proud because her vision of stronger together, building an economy that works for all, not just t safe in the a Strong Military strong alliances to battle terrorism and climate change, and also community of respect, just like johns tried to do 65 years ago, thats why im so proud to be her runninma te. Hillary told me why she asked me to be her running mate. She said the test of a Clinton Administration will not be the of a bill. It will be whether we can make councilman and mayor, a lieutenant governor, gov governor, i think you will help me figure out how to govern this success of this administration is the difference we make in peoples lives. Thats what i bring to the together, that experience, having served at all levels of government. My primary role is to be Hillary Clintons right hand person and strong supporter as she puts together the most historic administration possible. And i relish that role. We trust Hillary Clinton, my wife and i, with the most important thing in our life. Marines right now. The thought of donald trump as commander in chief scares us to death. Governor pence . Thank you, elaine, thank you to norwood university. Its deeply humbling for me to be here, surrounded by my wonderful family. Senator kaine, its an honor to be here with you as well. I just also want to say thanks to everyone thats looking in tonight who enormously important time this is for the life of our nation. For the last seven and a half years weve seen americas place in the world weakened. Weve seen an economy stifled by more taxes, more regulation, a war on coal, a Failing Health care reform come to be known as obamacare. The American People know we need to make a change. So i want to thank all of you for being with us tonight. I also want to thank donald trump for making that call and ticket. I have to tell you, im a small town boy from place not too different from farmville. I grew up with a corn field in my backyard. My grandfather had immigrated to this country when he was about my sons age. My mom and dad built everything that matters in a small town in southern indiana. They built a family and a good name and a business. And they raised a family. I dreamed some day of representing my hometown in washington, dc, but honestly, elaine, i never imagined, never opportunity to be governor of the state i love, let alone be sitting at a table like this in this kind of position. To answer your question, i would say i hope that if the responsibility ever fell to me in this role, that i would meet it with the way that im going to meet the responsibility should i be elected Vice President of the United States, and thats to bring a lifetime of experience, a lifetime growing up in a small town, a lifetime where ive served in states, where ive led a state that works in the great state of indiana. And whatever other responsibilities might follow from this, i would hope and frankly i would pray to be able to meet that moment with that lifetime of experience. Senator kaine, on the campaign trail, you praised secretary clintons character, including her commitment to public service, yet 60 of voters dont think shes trustworthy. Why do so many people distrust her . Is it because they have questions about her emails and the elaine, let me tell you why i trust Hillary Clinton. Here is what people should look at as she look at a Public Servant. Do they have a passion in their life that showed up before they were in public life . And have they held onto that passion throughout their life regardless of whether they were in office or not, succeeding or failing . Hillary clinton has that passion. From the time as a kid in a Methodist Youth Group in the suburbs of chicago, shes focused on serving others with a families and kids. As a civil rights lawyer in the south with the childrens defense fund, first lady of arkansas, and this countrys senator, secretary of state, its always the been about putting others first. Thats a sharp contrast with donald trump. Donald trump always puts himself first. He built a Business Career in the words of one of his own campaign staffers, off the backs of the little guy. And as a candidate, he started his campaign with a speech where he called mexican rapists and criminals. And he has discredited and really outrageous lie that president obama wasnt born in the United States. It is so painful to suggest that we go back to think about these days where an africanamerican could not be a citizen of the United States. And i cant imagine how governor pence can defend the insultdriven, selfish mefer style of donald trump. Governor pence, you said donald trump is compassionate feel he does not have the right temperament to be president. Why do so Many Americans think mr. Trump is erratic . Let me say first and foremost, senator, you and Hillary Clinton would know a lot about an insultdriven campaign. It really is remarkable. At a time when literally in the wake of Hillary Clintons tenure as secretary of state, where she was the architect of the obama administrations Foreign Policy, we see entire portions of the world, particularly the wid middle east, literal spinning out of control. In a situation were watching hour by hour in syria today is a result of the failed Foreign Policy and the weak Foreign Policy that Hillary Clinton helped lead in this administration and create. The newly emboldened aggression of russia, whether in you guys love russia. You both have said Vladimir Putin is better than the president. I do want to get back to these guys have praised Vladimir Putin as a great leader. Had you can they defend that . We do have that coming up here. Senator, i must have hit a nerve here, because at a time of great challenge, in the life of this nation, which weve weakened americans place in the world, stifled americas economy, the campaign of Hillary Clinton and tim kaine has been an avalanche of insults. Business through hard times and through good times. Hes brought an extraordinary business acumen. Hes employed tens of thousands of people in this country. And paid as few taxes and lost a billion dollars a year. Why this disconnect with your running mate . Theres a reason why people question the trustworthiness of Hillary Clinton. And thats because theyre paying attention. The reality is when she was secretary of state, senator, come on, she had a clinton governments. You are Donald Trumps apprentice. Let me talk about this issue. I think were still on my time. Isnt this a discussion . This is our open segment. Governor let me have an opportunity to finish my sentence. The Clinton Foundation accepted foreign contributions from foreign governments and foreign donors while she was secretary of state. Okay, now i get to weigh in. Senator, please, you have an opportunity governor pence doesnt think the world is going so well, hes going to say its everybodys fault. Let me tell you this. When Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, governor pence, did you know that Osama Bin Laden was alive . Do you know that we had 175,000 troops deployed in the battlefids in iraq and afghanistan . Did you know that iran was racing toward a Nuclear Weapon and russia was expanding its stockpile . Under secretary clintons leadership, she was part of the National Public safety team that dormant fight against bin laden and wiped him off the face of the earth. Duce their chemical weapons stockpile. She worked with nations around the world to eliminate the Iranian Nuclear went program. Eliminate . Absolutely, without firing a shot. D inof 175,000 american troops deployed overseas, we now have 15,000 these are very, very and iraq has been isis. If you want to deploy more american troops to iraq, you can do that. Hillary clinton failed to negotiate that is incorrect. We removed i would like to move on to the economy. And overrun vast areas of iraq. President bush said we would leave iraq in 2011. Elaine, iraq didnt want our troops to stay, and they wouldnt give us the protection for our troops. And guess what, if a nation does not want us to stay, were not going to stay without their its a failure of there are a lot of people wondering in this country about the economy. Lets turn to the issue of the economy. According to the Nonpartisan Committee for a responsible federal budget, neither of your economic plans will reduce the growing 19 trillion Gross National debt. In fact, your plans would add even more to it. Both of you were governors who balanced state budgets. More to the debt could be disastrous for the country . Governor pence. I think the fact that under this past administration, of which Hillary Clinton was a part, weve almost doubled the national debt, is atrocious. Im very proud of the fact that i come from a state that works. The state of indiana has balanced budgets. Weve cut taxes, made record investments in education and infrastructure. And i still finished my term than when senator kaine was governor here in virginia, he actually tried to raise taxes by about 4 billion. He left his state about 2 billion in the hole. The state of indiana, weve cut unemployment in half. Unemployment doubled when he was governor. I think hes a very fitting running mate for Hillary Clinton. Because in the wake of a season where American Families are struggling in this economy, under the weight of higher taxes and obamacare and the war on of regulation coming out of this administration, Hillary Clinton and tim kaine want more of the same. It really is remarkable, they actually are advocating a trillion dollars in taxes increases, which i get that, you tried to raise taxes in virginia and were unsuccessful. A trillion dollars in regulations, and even former about the bill clinton calls obamacare a crazy plan. Hillary clinton and tim kaine want to expand it into a single payer program. For all the world, Hillary Clinton things obamacare is a good start. Donald trump and i have a plan to get this economy moving again, just the way it worked in the 1980s, just the way it worked in the 1960s. That is by lowering taxes across the board for working families, Small Businesses and family farms, ending the war on coal that is hurting jobs and hurting this economy even here in virginia. Repealing obamacare, lock stock and barrel, and repealing the executive orders that barack obama has signed that are stifling Economic Growth in this country. We can get america moving again. Put on top of that the kind of trade deals that will put the American Worker first and youve got a prescription for real growth. When you get the economy growing, elaine, thats when you can deal with the national debt. When we get back to 3. 5 to 4 growth which Donald Trumps plan will do, then well have the resources to meet our nations needs at home and abroad, and to bring down the national debt. Senator kaine . Elaine, on the economy, there is a fundamental choice for the american electorate. Do you want a youre hired president in Hillary Clinton or a youre fired president in donald trump . Thats not such a hard choice. Hillary and i have a plan thats on the table thats youre hired plan. 5 components. First thing we do is invest in manufacturing, infrastructure, and research into Clean Energy Jobs of tomorrow. Second thing is we invest in our workforce. From prek education to Great Teachers t and tuitionfree college for families that make less than 125,000 a year. Third, we promote fairness by raising the minimum wage so you cant work fulltime and be under the poverty lel, and by paying Women Equal Pay for equal work. Fourth, we promote Small Business growth as weve done in virginia to make it easier to start Small Businesses. Hillary and i both had Small Business families. Here tonight. Then a tax plan that targets middle class individuals and Small Businesses, and asks those at the top to pay more. The trump plan is a youre fired plan. Theres a two key elements to it. First, donald trump said wages are too high. And both donald trump and mike pence think we ought to eliminate the federal minimum wage. Mike pence, when he was in congress, voted against raising the minimum wage above 5. 15. And he has been a oneman increases in indiana. The second component of the plan is massive tax breaks for the very p. To trillions of dollars of tax breaks for people just like donald trump. The problem with this, elaine, is thats exactly what we did ten years ago, and it put the economy into the deepest recession, the deepest recession since the 1930s. Independent analysts say the clinton plan would grow the cost the economy jobs. Why would donald trump do this . Because his tax plan basically helps him. If he ever met his promise and gave his tax returns to the American Public he said he would, we would see just how much his economic plan is really a trump first plan. On that point, governor point, recently the New York Times released part of mr. Trumps 1995 tax return and reported that he could have avoided paying federal income taxes for years. Yesterday, mr. Trump said he brilliantly used the as little tax as legally possible. Does that seem fair to you . Well, first, let me say, i appreciated the youre hired youre fired thing, senator, you used that a whole lot, i think your running mate used a lot of predone lines. What you all just heard out there is more taxes, 2 trillion in more spending, more deficit, more debt, more government, and if you think thats all working, of the table. The truth of the matter is, the policies of this administration, which Hillary Clinton and senator kaine want to continue, have run this economy into a ditch. Were 15 million new jobs . There are millions more People Living in poverty today and the Poverty Level and the Median Income improved dramatically. Honestly, senator, you can roll out the numbers, but people in scranton know different. The economy is struggling. The answer to this economy its not to give away tax relief to the folks at the top. I am interesting in whether hell defend his running mate not releasing his taxes, and not paying them. The question is whether it seemed fair to you that mr. Him to use the law to pay as little tax as possible. Hillary clinton and senator kaine, and god bless you for it, career Public Servants, thats great, donald trump is a businessman, not a career politician. He actually built a business. Those tax returns that came out publicly this week showed that he faced some pretty tough times 20 years ago. But like virtually every other business, including the New York Times not too long ago, he used whats called net operating loss. We hav a that actually is designed to encourage entrepreneurship. But why wont he release his tax returns . Were answering the question about his business thing. I do want to come back to that. His tax returns showed he went through a very difficult time. But he used the tax code the way it was supposed to be used. How do you know that . Because he created a business thats worth billions of dollars. His whole riff about not paying taxes and people saying he didnt pay taxes for years, donald trump has created tens of thousands of jobs and hes paid payroll elaine, let me talk about that. Senator, im going to give you about 30 second to respond. I have a question on Hillary Clinton for you. Governor donald trump started this campaign in 2014. He said if i run for president , i will absolutely release my taxes. Hes broken his first promise. And he will. Hes broken his first promise. He hasnt broken his promise. He stood oth week and whether hillary said you havent been paying your taxes, he said, that makes me start. So its smart not to pay for our military, for our veterans, for teachers. I guess all of us who do pay for those things, i guess were stupid. The last thing i want to ask governor pence, governor pence had to give donald trump his tax returns to show he was qualified to be Vice President. Donald trump must give the be president. And hes breaking his promise. Elaine, i have to respond to this. You get very little time, 20 seconds. Donald trump has filed over 100 pages of financial disclosure, which is what the law requires. But he said he would release his tax returns. The American People can review that. Senator, hes going to release his tax returns when the audit is over. Richard nixon released tax returns when he was under audit. If you cant meet the nixon standard the people at home cannot understand either one of you when you speak over each other. I would please ask you to wait until it is that the other is finished. All right. Were having fun up here. On the issue of Social Security, in 18 years when the Social Security trust funds run out of money, youll be 76. The committee for a responsible federal budget estimates your benefits could be cut by as much as 50 70 per year. What would your administration do to prevent this cut . Social security, which was one of the greatest programs that the American Government has ever done. It happened at a time when you would work your whole life, your whole life, raising your kids, being a Little League coach or sunday school teacher, and then retire into poverty. Social security has allowed people to retire in dignity. We have to keep it solvent and we will. Well look for strategies like adjusting the payroll tax cap upward in order to do that. Here is what hillary and i will not do. And i wan plain. We will never, ever engage in a risky scheme to privatize Social Security. Donald trump wrote a book and he said, Social Security is a ponzi scheme and privatization would be good for all of us. And when congressman pence was in congress, he was the chief cheerleader for the privatization of Social Security, even after president bush stopped pushing for it, congressman pence kept pushing for it. Were going to stand up against security and well look for ways to keep it solvent going forward, focusing primarily on the payroll tax cap. Governor pence, ill give you an opportunity to respond. Well, thanks, elaine. There they go again. Okay . All donald trump and i have said about Social Security is well meet our obligations towards our seniors. Go read the book. Thats what this campaign is really about, inspector. This is the old scare tactic about record, governor. I get all of that. I just look. Theres a question that you asked earlier i cant believe you wont defend your own voting record. Look, youre running with Hillary Clinton who wants to raise taxes by a trillion dollars, increase spending by 2 trillion. And you say youre going to keep the promises of Social Security. Donald trump and i are going to cut taxes. Youre not going to cut youre going to raise taxes on Social Security. If we stay on the path your party has us on, well be in a Mountain Range of debt. And were going to face hard choices. You did ask a question about debt. The debt explosion on the trump plan is much, much bigger than anything on the clinton side. Let me move on. Race relations. Law enforcement and race relations. After the Dallas Police shooting, police chief david brown said, quote, were asking cops to do too much in th country. Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough Mental Health funding, not enough drug addiction funding. Schools fail. Lets give it to the cops. Do we ask too much of Police Officers in this country, and how would you specifically address the chiefs concerns . Elaine, i think thats a very fair comment. I think weve put a lot on polices shoulders. This is something i have a lot of scar tissue and experience on. I was a city councilman and mayor in richmond. Highest homicide rates in the United States. We fault very, very hard over the course of my time in local was i, we reduced our homicide rate nearly in half. When i was governor of virginia, we worked hard too. We did something we had really wanted to do. For the first time ever, we cracked the top ten, ten safest states, because we worked together. As a mayor and e comfortable in their communities, that gap between the police and the communities they serve narrows. When that gap narrows, its safer for the communities and its safer for the police. That model still works across our country. There are some other models that dont work. An overly aggressive, more militarized model. Donald trump recently said we need to do more stop and frisk around the country. Because it polarizes the relationship between the police and the community. So heres what well do. Well focus on Community Policing. We will focus on, and Hillary Clinton has rolled out a really comprehensive Mental Health reform package she worked on with Law Enforcement professionals, and well also fight the scourge of gun violence in the United States. Im a gun owner. Im a strong Second Amendment supporter. But ive got a lot of scar tissue, because when i was governor of virginia there was a horrible shooting at tech. We learned that through that painful situation, that gaps in the background record check system should have been closed and it could have been prevented that crime. Well work on things like closing background record checks, and if we do, we wont have tragedies like we did. One of the guys killed in that shooting was a holocaust survivor. Then h survived the soviet Union Takeover of his country. But then he was a visiting he couldnt survive the scourge of gun violence. We can support the Second Amendment and do things like background record checks and make us safer, and that will make police safer too. Governor pence. My uncle was a cop, a career cop on the beat in downtown chicago. He was my hero when i was growing up. When we go up to visit my dads family in chicago, my three brothers and i would marvel at mync when he would come out in his side. Police officers are the best of us. Men and women, white, africanamerican, asian, latino, hispanic. They put their lives on the lined every single day. And let me say, at the risk of agreeing with you, Community Policing is a great idea. Its worked in the hoosier state. And we fully support that. Donald trump and i are going to make sure that Law Enforcement to be able to really restore law and order to the cities and communities in this nation. Its probably why the 330,000 members of the fraternal order of police endorsed donald trump as the next president of the United States of america, because they see his commitment to them. They see his commitment to law and order. But they also hear the badmouthing, the badmouthing that comes from people that seize upon tragedy in the wake reason to use a broad brush to accuse Law Enforcement of implicit bias or institutional racism. And that really has got to stop. I mean, when an africanamerican Police Officer in charlotte named brentley vion, an all star Football Player who went to Liberty University here in the state, came home, followed his dad into Law Enforcement, joined the force in charlotte, joined was involved in a Police Action shooting that claimed the life of keith lamont scott, it was a tragedy. I mean, we mourn with those who mourn. We grieve with those who grieve. Were saddened at the loss of life. But Hillary Clinton actually referred to that moment as an example of implicit bias in the police force, where when she was asked in the debate a week ago whether there was implicit bias in Law Enforcement, her only answer was that there is implicit bs United States. Can i ask, elaine we ought to stop seizing on these moments of tragedy. We ought to assure the public that well have a full and complete and transparent investigation whenever theres a loss of life because of Police Action. But senator, please, you know, enough o this seeking every opportunity to demean Law Enforcement broadly by making the accusation of implicit bias every time tragedy occurs. Bias in Law Enforcement. If youre afraid im not afrai t that. If youre afraid to have the discussion, youll never solve it. Here is an example. Heartbreaking, we will agree a heartbreaking example. Philando casstille who was killed in st. Paul, killed in an incident that will be discussed and when folks went and explored the situation, what they found is they called him mr. Rodgers with dreadlocks in the school that he worked. The kids loved him. That he had been stopped by police 40 or 50 times before that fatal incident. And if you look at sentencing in this country, forensic and latinos get sentenced for the same crimes at very different rates. We need criminal justice refo. Indiana has passed criminal Justice Reform. I just want to say, those who say we should not be able to the system, well never solve the problem. When africanamerican Police Officers are involved in a police shooting, why would Hillary Clinton accuse i guess i cant believe youre defending the position that there is no bias. Governor, i have a question on that point. Your fellow republican, governor pence, senator tim scott, who is africanamerican, recently spoke onhe senate floor. He said he was times by Law Enforcement in one year. A u. S. Senator. He said, i have felt the anger, the frustration, the sadness, and theiliation that comes with feeling like youre being targeted for nothing more than being just yourself. What would you say to senator scott about his experiences . I have the deepest respect for senator scott. And hes a close friend. And what i would say is that we need to adopt criminal Justice Reform nationally. In state of indiana, senator. And were very proud of it. I worked when i was in congress on the Second Chance act. We have got to do a better job recognizing and correcting the errors in the system that do reflect an institutional bias in criminal justice. But what donald trump and i are saying is, lets not have the reflex of assuming the worst of men and women in Law Enforcement. We truly enforcement elaine, can i what would you say to senator scott, Law Enforcement in this country is a force forgood. They are the they truly are people who puthe lives on e every single day. I would suggest to you, what we need to do is assert a Stronger Leadership at the National Level to support Law Enforcement. You just heard senator kaine reject stop and frisk. I would suggest to you that the cities that are besieged by crime elaine, if i can jump in, i heard senator scott make that eloquent plea. Criminal justice is about respecting the law and being respected by the law. There is a fundamental respect issue here. Donald trump during this campaigns has called mexicans rapists and criminals, called women slobs, pigs, dogs, disgusting. I dont likely saying that in front of my wife and mother. He attacked an indianaborn federal judge and said he was unqualified to hear a federal lawsuit because his parents were mexican. He went after john mccain, a p. O. W. , and said he wasnt a hero because he had been captured. He said africanamericans are living in hell. And he perpetrated this outrageous and bigoted lie that president obama is not a u. S. Citizen. If you want to have a society where people are respected and respect laws, you cant have Everybody Group that he talks about. Again, i cannot believe that governor pence will defend the insultdriven campaign that donald trump has run. I want to turn to our next segment now, immigration. Your running mates have both said that undocumented immigrants who have committed Violent Crimes should be deported. What would you tell the millions of undocumented immigrants who have not committed Violent Crimes . Governor pence . Donald trump has laid out a plan to end illegal once and for all in this country. Weve been talking it death for 20 clyeinton and tim kaine wa to continue the policies of open borders, amnesty, catch and release, sanctuary cities, all the thingshat are driving that are driving wages down in this country, senator, and also too often with criminal aliens in the country, its bringing heartbreak. But donald trump has a plan that that will dealysmatically al immigration, beginning with border security, internal enforcement. Its probably why for the first time in the history of immigration and customs enforcement, their union actually endorsed donald trump as the next president of the United States, because they know they need help to enforce the this country. Donald trump has laid out a priority to remove criminal aliens, remove people who have overstayed their once we have accomplished all of that, which will strengthen the rule of law in our country and make the country safer once the criminal aliens that are out, then well deal with those that remain. I was listening to the avalanche of insults coming out of senator kaine hold on a second, governor. Its my time. He says ours is an insultdriven to be honest with you, if donald trump had said all the things that youve said he said in the way you said he said them, he still wouldnt have a fraction of the insults that hlary clinton leveled when she said that half of our supporters were a basset of deplorables. She said they were irredeemable. They were not american. Its an extraordinary. Then she labeled one after another ism on millions of americans w b can have a stronger america at home and abroad, who believe we can get this economy moving again, who believe that we can end illegal immigration once and for all. This insultdriven campaign, i mean, thats small potatoes compared to Hillary Clinton calling senator kaine. Hillary clinton said something on the campaign trail and the very next day she said, look for donald trump apologizing to john mccain for saying he wasnt a hero, did donald trump apologizing for calling women dogs, pigs, disgusting . Did donald trump apologize for making fun of someones weight . Did he apologize for saying africanamericans are living in hell . Does he apologize for saying that president obama was not even a citizen of the United States . You will look donald trump ever taking responsibility for anything and apologizing. Immigration. Theres two plans on the table. Hillary and i believe in comprehensive Immigration Reform. Donald trump believes in deportation nation. Hillary and i want bipartisan reform that keeping Families Together is the top goal, cond, that will help focus enforcement efforts on those who are violent, third, that will do more border corol, and fourth, hard, pay taxes, play by the rules, and take criminal background record checks. Thats our proposal. Donald trump proposes to deport 16 million people, 11 people who are here without documents. Both donald trump and mike pence citizenship. Rid of birth right so i yre born but your parents dont have documents, they let to eliminate that, thats another 4. 5 million people. These guys, and donald trump has said it, Deportation Force. They wanto go house to school to school, business to business, and kick out 16 million people. I cannot believe thats nonsense. I cannot believe governor pence would sit here and defend his running mates claim that we should create a Deportation Force so theyll all be gone. Senator, we have a Deportation Force, its called immigrations and customs enforcement. Their union for the first time heir history endorsed donald trump so you like the 16 million look, what you just heard is, they have a plan for open borders, amnesty. Our plan is like Ronald Reagans plan from 1986. They call it comprehensive Immigration Reform on capitol hill, you all know the routine, its amnesty. Thats how washington always plays it. Governo three years ago was against it. Donald trump is restoring the bordersf this nation and securing our nation. How willse millions of undocumented immigrants leave . Would they be forcibly removed . I think donald trump laid out a series of priorities that doesnt end with border security. It begins with border security. And after we secure the border, not only build a wall but bee beeneath the ground and in the air, we just had a conversation about Law Enforcement, we just cities. Is that theres heartbreak and tragedy that has struck io this tiacty, a people who have overstayed their visas, were going to enforce the law of this country. Were going to strengthen immigrations enforcement with more resources to do that. And donald trump has made it clear, once weve done all of those things, were going to reform the immigration system. I have to correct governor penc thats the order that you should do it. Border security, removing criminal aliens, upholding the law, and then, senator, ill work with you when you go back to the senate, i promise you, well work with you to reform together in whatever capacities we ser i just want to make it very clear, hes trying to if you see fuzz up wha d said. Naldrump said, were building a wall and were quote, they will all be gone, they will all be gone. You can go to the tape on it and see what donald trump has said. And to add to it, and to add to it, and to add to it, we are a nation of immigrants. I mean, and i both are desceed some things maybe werent said so great against the irish when we came. Weve done well by absorbing immigrants and its made our nation stronger. When donald trump says mexicans are rapists and criminals, when donald trump says about your judge, a hoosier judge, judge curiel was unqualified to hear a case because his parents were mexican, i cant imagine how you can defend that. Gentlemen, i would like to terrorism. Do you think the world today is a safer or more dangerous than it was eight years has the terrorist threat increased or decreased . Senator its decreased inom ways because bin laden in dead, because an iranian nlear Weapons Program has been stopped. The terrorist threat to United States troops has been decreased in some ways because theres not 175,000 in a dangerous part of the world, theres onl15,000. But there are other parts of the world t let me tell you this. To beat terrorism, theres only one candidate who can do it, its Hillary Clinton. Remember, Hillary Clinton was the senator from n 9 11, she was there at the World Trade Center when they were still searching for victims and survivors. That seared into her the need to beat terrorism. She has not a plan to do it. She was part of the National Security team that wiped out bin laden. Battlefield. Shell be the leader of the team to get abu baker al bagdadi, the head of isis. Disrupt their ability to recruit on the internet, in their safe havens. Fourth, we have to work with allies to share and surge intelligence. Thats the Hillary Clinton plan. Shes got the experienceo do it. Rump ct start a twitter war with Miss Universe without shooting himself in the foot. Donald trump doesnt have a plan. He said i and then he said, umm, i know more than all the general about isil, and then he said, im going to call the generals to help me figure out a plan, and finally he said, im going to he dsnt have a plan. But he does have dangerous ideas. He trash talks the military. The military is a disaster, john mccain is no hero, i know more than the generals. Work with them if they pay big league. Hes got a personal mount rushmore, kim jong il, Vladimir Putin, and qaddafi. Oh, please. Donald trump believes that eor will be safer if more nations have Nuclear Weapons. He said saudi arabia should get them, japan should get them, korea should get them. When he was confronted with this and told, wait a minute, terrorists could get those, proliferation nuclear war, here is what donald trump said, and i quote, go ahead, folks, enjoy yourselves. I would love to hear pence tell me whats so enjoyable or comical about nuclear war. Governor pence . Id you work onhat one a long time . Because that had a lot of creative lines in it. Im going to see if you can defend any of it. I can defend i can make it very clear to the American People. After traveling millions of miless our secretary of state, after being the architect of the administration, america is less safeay than it was the day president of the United States. Its absolutely inarguable. Weve weakened americas place in the world. Its been a combination of factors. Mostly its been a lack of eripl wil give you, i was in washington, dc on 9 11, i saw the clouds of smoke rise from the pentagon. I was in virginia where the pentagon is. I know you were, we all lived through that day as a nation, it was hear i want to give this president credit for bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice. But the truth is Osama Bin Laden led al qaeda. Our primary threat today is isis. And because Hilry Clinton failed to renegotiate a status of forces agreement that would have allowed some american combat troops to remain in iraq and secure the hardfought gains the american soldier had w b literally conjured up out of the desert and has overrun vast areas that the american soldier had won in Operation Iraqi freedom. My heart breaks for the likes of Lance Corporal scott zubowski. He fell in fallujah. He fought hard through some of the most difficult days of Operation Iraqi freedom. He paid the ultimate sacrifice to secure that that nationas secured in 2009. Because Hillary Clinton and barack obama failed to provide a status of forces agreement and leave sufficient troops in there, we are back at war. The president just ordered more troops on the ground. We are back at war in iraq. And scott zubowskis mom would always come to see me and i always gave her a hug and told her we will never forget her son. Squandered in iraq because this administration created a vacuum in iraq in which isis was allowed to grow. The 150 stopping the Nuclear Weapons program without firing a shot . You didnt stop yes, we did. Even the isrilary says it was stopped. You guaranteed iran will some day become aucar power because no limitations once the period of the agreement is many of the recent terrorist attacks in the United States such as the orlando nightclub massacre and the recent bombings in new york and new jersey, those were homegrown, committed by u. Citizens and legal residents. What specific tools would you use to prevent those kinds of attacks . I think its i think its a great question, elaine. But it really does begin with us and putting the interests, putting the safety and security of the American People, first. I mean, donald trump has called for extreme vetting for people coming into this country so that we dont bring people into the United States who are hostile to our bill of rights freedoms, who are hostile to the american way of life. But also, donald trump and i are committed to suspending the Syrian Refugee Program and programs in immigration from areas the world that have been compromised by te Hillary Clinton and tim kaine want to increase the syrian elaine, i want to tell you about our plan. First, lets make sure were putting the safety and security of the American People first instead of Hillary Clinton expanding the or instead of you violating the constitution by blocking people based on their National Origin rather than whether theyre dangerous. Thats absolutely false. Thats what the seventh circuit decided. Here is the difference. We have different views on refugee issues and on enforcement based on are people dangerous. These guys all mexicans are bad. Absolutely false. With respect to refugees, we want to keep people out if theyre dangerous. Donald trump said keep them out if theyre muslim. Mike pence put a program in place to keep them out i theyre from syria. Yesterday an Appellate Court with three republican judges struck down the pence plan and said it was discriminatory. Those judges because there wasnt any evidence yet that isis had infiltrated the United States. Germany just arrested i told you theres a right way and wrong way to do it. If youre going to be critical of me on that, thats fair game. After two Syrian Refugees were involved in the attack in paris that is called pariss 9 11, at governor of the state of indiana, i have no higher priority than the safety and state. But governor pence i stand by that decision and if donald trump is president , were going to put the safety and security of the American People first. Hillary and i will do Immigration Enforcement and will vet refugees based on whether thre dangerous or not. We wont do it bed on discriminating against you, from the country you come from, or the religion you practice. That is completely antithetical to the jeffersonian the director of our fbi, Homeland Security, said we cant know for certain who these yes, we can. When we know, we dont let them in. If we dont know who they are, we dont let them in. The fbi and Homeland Security says we cant know for certain. You have to err on the side of the safety and security by trashing all syrians, by trashing all muslims . Senator kaine, secretary clinton has talked about an intelligence surge. Yes. What exactly would an how would that help identify terrorists with no operational connection to a Foreign Organization . An intelligence surge is to things, elaine. Its expanding our intelligence capacities by hiring professionals. Weve got many of our experts working for private sector companies. Its striking great partnerships with some of our cyber and intel experts in the private sector so we can, consistent with constitutional principles, gather more intelligence. But the second piece of this is really, really important. It also means created stronger alliances, because you gather intelligence, and then you share your intelligence back and forthwith allies. And thats how you find out who may be trying to recruit, who may be trying to come from one country to the next. Alliances are critical. Thats why Donald Trumps claim that he wants to in a nato is rid of nato is so dangerous. He said nato was obsolete. If you put aside your alliances youre going to share intelligence with, Hillary Clinton is a secretary of state who knows how to build alliances. She built the sanctions regime around the world that stopped the iranian Nuclear Weapons programs. Thats what an intelligence surge means, better capacity but also better alliances. The tragedy in syria. Can i speak about the cybersecurity surge . You can have 30 quickly. Donald trump spoke about this issue this week. Weve got to bring together the best resources of this country to understand that cyberwarfare is the new warfare of the asymmetrical enemies that we face in this country. I look forward, if im privileged to be in this role of working with you in the senate, to make sure we resource thatter th its important in this memo to remember that Hillary Clinton had a private server in her home that had classified information on it. Your 30 seconds is up. About drone strikes, emails from theamerica were on there. Governor, i would like to ask you about syria. You have now had a minute. A full investigation concluded that not one reasonable prosecutor would take any additional steps. You dont get to decide the rights and wrongs of this. We have a Justice System that does that. And a republican fbi director did an investigation and concluded we are moving on now. Senator, if your son or my son handled classified governor that is absolutely false and you know it, governor. The fbi did an investigation. Gentlemen. And they concluded there was no reasonable prosecutor who would take it further. Please. 250,000 people, 100,000 of them children, are under siege in aleppo, syria. Bunker buster bombs, cluster munitions and incendiary weapons are being dropped on them by russian and syrian military. Does the u. S. Have a responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on a this scale . Governor pence . The United States of America Needs to begin to exercise strong leadership to protect the vulnerable citizens and over 100,000 children in aleppo. Hillary clintons top priority when she became secretary of state was the russian ussian re. After the russian reset, the russians invaded ukraine and took over crimea. And the small and bullying leader of russia is now dictating terms to the United States to the point where all just withdraws from talks about a ceasefire while Vladimir Putin puts a Missile Defense system in syria, while he marshals the forces and begins look, we have got to begin to lean into this with strong, broad shouldered american leadership. It begins by rebuilding our military. And the russians and the chinese have been making enormous investments in the military. We have the Smallest Navy since 1916. We have the lowest number of troops since the end world war. Weve got to work with the congress. And donald trump will rebuild our military and project american strength in the world. But about aleppo, and aut syria, i truly do believe tt what america ought to do right now is immediately establish safe zones so that families and vulnerable families with children can move out of those areas, work with our arab part partners realtime to make that happen. The provocations need to be met with american strength. If russia continues to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in aleppo, the United States of america should be prepared to use military force to strike military targets in the assad regime to prevent them from this humanitarian crisis that is taking place in aleppo. There is a broad range of other things we ought to do as well. We ought to defense shield to the Czech Republic and poland, which Hillary Clinton and barack obama pulled back on out of not wanting to offend the russians back in 2009. Governor . We just have to have strength on the world stage. When donald trump becomes president , the hillary and i also agree the establishment of humanitarian zone in Northern Syria with the provision of International Human resolution passed in february 20 would be a very, very good idea. Hillary has an ability to stand up t russia in a way this ticket does not. Donald trump again and again has praised Vladimir Putin. Eats clear he has business dealings with russian oligarchs who have connections to putin. Their Campaign Manager had to be fired because of his shadowy connections to prorussian forces. Donald trump said inarguably Vladimir Putin is a better leader than president obama. Vladimir putin ran his economy into the ground. He persecutes lgbt folks and reporters. Governor pence just said donald trump will rebuild the military. No, he wont. Taxes. The New York Times story suggested he probably didnt pay taxes for 18 years starting in 1985, those years included 9 11. On 9 11, Hillary Clintons andn attacked by the worst terrorist attack in the United States. Young men and women signed up to fight terrorism. Hillary clinton wen rebuild her city and protect first responders. But donald trump was fighting a very different fight, a fight to avoid payin taxes, so he wouldnt support troops, he wouldnt support this is important, elaine. When a guy running for president will not support the troops, not support veterans, not support teachers, thats really important. And i said about aleppo, we do agree the notion is we have to create a humanitarian zone in Northern Syria. Governor pence, you had mentioned nofly zone. Where would you propose setting up a safe zone specifically . How would you keep it safe . Well, first and foremost, donald trump supports our troops. Donald trump supports our veterans. He wont pay taxes. Donald trump has paid all the taxes that hes do you not take deductions . How does that work . It is a our troops. I know why you want to the subject. And let me be very clear on this russian thing. The larger question here do you think donald trump is smart to not pay taxes . What were dealing with is, you know, theres an old proverb that said the russian bear never dies, he just hi hibernates. The weak and feckless policy of barack obama and Hillary Clinton has awakened the russian years ago, now theyve moved into the wider middle east. We fold our arms and say were not having talks anymore. To answer your question, we just need american strength. We need to marshal the resources of allies. We need to act now. How would those safe zones work . How would they remain safe . As the senator said, theres already a framework for this, its been recognized by the United States of America Needs to be prepared to work with ourllies in the region, to create a route for safe passage, and then to protect people in th eirareas, including with a nofly zone. But look, this is very tough stuff. I served on the Foreign Affairs committee for a decade. I traveled in and out of that region for ten years. I saw what the american soldier won in operati iraqi freedom. And to see the weak and feckless leadership that Hillary ClintonForeign Policy let me come back and talk about let me talk about the things governor pence doesnt wasnt to acknowledge. He doesnt want to acknowledge that we stopped the iranian Nuclear Weapons program. He have doesnt want to acknowledge that hillary was part of the team that got bin laden. He said its a good thing, not a bad thing, that were down from a 175,000 troops deployed overseas to 15,000. Let me tell what you will make th Donald Trumps idea that saudi arabia, south korea, japan, should get Nuclear Weapons. Ronald reagan back in the 1980s said the problem with Nuclear Proliferation is that some fool or maniac could trigger a catastrophic event. And i think thats who governor pences running mate is, exactly who president reagan warned us about. Senator, that was even beneath you and Hillary Clinton. Thats pretty low. More Nuclear Weapons in the world, that will make us safer . Senator thats what donald trump says. Ronald reagan said a nuclear war should never be fought because it can never be won. The United States of America Needs to make investments can you defend Donald Trumps claim that more nations should get Nuclear Weapons . Let me go back to this iran thing. He keeps saying they prevented that Hillary Clinton, who started the deal iran from getting a Nuclear Weapon. Thats what the israeli joint chief of staff is saying right now. Thats not what israel things. You can go check it. You wouldnt necessarily know that. I know you boycotted Prime Minister netanyahus speech. I visited his office. You boycotted his speech. This socalled iran deal essentially guaranteed when i a bipartisan basis with republican and Democrat Members to move fward the toughest sanctions literally in the history of the United States. And then hillary used them to get a deal. We were bringing them to heel. The goal was always that we would only lift the sanctions if iran permanently renounced their nuclear elaine, let me jus mention one thing. Elaine, let me finish a sentence. They have not renounced tir nuclear ambitions. When the deals period runs out, theres no limitation. Very quickl 1. 7 billion in a ransom payment. We need to talk about russia. Very quickly, governor. Six times tonight i have said to governor pence, i cant imagine how you can defend your running mates position on one issue after the next. And in all six cases hes refused to defend his running mate dont put words in my mouth. And yet he is asking everybody to vote for somebody that he cannot defend. Im happy to defend donald trump. I will give you an opportunity to do that. Well take them one at a time. More nations should get Nuclear Weapons. Defend that. He never said it, senator. He absolutely said. South korea, japan. Russian president Vladimir Putin invaded ukraine, annexed crimea, and provided crucial military support to the assad regime. What steps if any would your administration take to these actions. Russia. Lets start with not praising Vladimir Putin as a great leader. Donald trump and mike pence have said hes a great leader. No, we havent. Donald trump has business dealings with russia that he refuses to disclose. Hillary clinton has gone toe to toe with russia. She went toe to toe with russia as secretary of state to do the new start agreement, to reduce russias nuclear stockpile. Shes had the experience doing it. She went toe to toe with rsia went into georgia. Weve done the same thing about ukraine, but more than lodging protests, weve been punishing economic sanctions on russia that we need to continue. Donald trump didnt know that russia had invaded the crimea. Thats nonsense. He said a few months ago, i guarantee you this, russia is not going into the ukraine. He had to be reminded they had gone into crimea two years ago. He knew that. Hillary clinton has gone toe to toe with russia to work deal on new start. She got them engaged in a meaningful way to cap irans Nuclear Weapons program. Yet she stood up to them on issues such as syria and their invasion of georgia. Youve got to have the ability to do that. And hillary does. On the other hand, in donald trump you have somebody who praises Vladimir Putin all the time. America should really wonder about a President Trump who had a Campaign Manager with ties to ukraine who had to be fired for that reason. They should wonder, when donald trump is sitting down with Vladimir Putin, is it going to be americas bottom line or is it going to be Donald Trumps bottom line that hes going to be worried about with all o business dealings . This would all be solved if donald trump would be willing to release his tax returns as he told the American Public he would do. I know hes laughing at this. Every president since Richard Nixon has done it. Donald trump has said im doing business with russia. The only way the American Public conflicts of interest he hasnt said that. He has, actually. Governor. Well, thanks. Just trying to keep up with the insultdriven campaign on the other side of the table. Answering just saying facts about your returning mate. I know you cant defend him. Im happy to defend him, senator, dont put words in my mouth that im not defending him. Youre not. Most of what you said is completely false and the American People run that. Ill run through the listing of things. Look, this is the alternative universe of washington, dc versus reality. Hillary clinton said her number one priority was a reset with russia. That reset resulted in the invasion of ukraine. After they had infiltrated with what are called little green men, russian soldiers that were dressing up like ukrainian dissidents, then they moved all the way into crimea. Donald trump. He basically was saying its not going to happen again. What you have in the rise of the aggressive russia, increased its influence in iran, now because of this deal is on a pathway in the future to obtain a nuclear the leading state sponsor of terror in the world in iran now has a closer working relationship with russia because of Hillary Clinton and Barack ObamasForeign Policy. All being lifted. And then of course syria. It really is extraordinary, syria is imploding. You have just asked a very thoughtful question about aleppo. Isis is head quartered in raqqah. Senator kaine sits here, soldier, i get all that, saying that the Foreign Policy of Hillary Clinton andack obama somehow made the world more secure. It really istonishing. Weve wiped out the leader of al qaeda. Delivered 400 million in cash as a ransom payment for americans held by the radical mullahs in tehran. And we stopped their Nuclear Weapons program without a shot. Putin has no respect for why do you think hell respect a trump pence adminiration . Strength, plain and simple. Donald trumps son says that the Trump Organization please, senator. Ill give you a chance. Were going to rebuild our military. This whole putin thing, look, america is stronger than russia. Our economy is 16 times larger than the russian economy. Americas political system is superior to the crony, corrupt capitalist system in russia in every way. When donald trump and i observe that, as ive said in syria, in iran, in ukraine, that the small and bullying leader of russia has been stronger on the world stage than this administration, thats stating painful facts. Thats not an endorsement of Vladimir Putin. Thats an indictment of the weak and feckless leadership of obama. This is one that you can go to the tape on it. Governor pence said inarguably, Vladimir Putin is a better leader than president obama. That is absolutely inaccurate. I said hes been stronger on the world stage. No, you said leader. And ill just say this, governor. You just said better. If you mistake leadership for dictatorship and you cant tell the difference, a country thats running its economy into ground, murdering its journalists, if you cant tell the difference, you shouldnt be commander in chief. Russian business deals of donald trump could be disclosed by looking at his tax returns, but he wont do it. America needs to know whether hell watch utilize for americas bottom line or Donald Trumps bottom line. Hes not a leader. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesnt know russian history and doesnt know Vladimir Putin. Hillary clinton knows exactly who this guy is. John mccain said i look in his eyes and see kgb. Hillary kind of has that same feeling. How do you deal with him . We do have to deal with russia in a lot of different ways. There are areas where we can cooperate. So it was Hillary Clinton who worked with russia on the new start treaty to reduce their Nuclear Weapons stockpile. It was Hillary Clinton that worked with russia engaged in a community of nations to stop the iranian Nuclear Weapons program without firing a shot. Shes not going around praising Vladimir Putin as a great guy. But she knows how to sit down at a table and negotiate tough deals. This is a very challenging part of the world. And we ought to have a commander in chief who is prepared and done it, rather than somebody who goes around praising Vladimir Putin as a great leader. I would like to ask now about north korea, iran, and the north korea recently conducted its fifth and most powerful nuclear test. What specific steps would you take to prevent north korea from developing a Nuclear Armed missile capable of reaching the United States . Governor pence . First, we need to make a commitment to rebuild our military, including modernizing our nuclear forces. And we also need we also need an effective american diplomacy that will marshal the resources of rim to put pressure on north korea, on kim jong un, to abandon his nuclear ambitions. It has to remain the policy of the United States of america, the denuclearzation of the korean peninsula, plain and simple. When donald trump is president of the United States, were not going to have the kind of posture in e wld that has russia invading crimea and ukraine, that has the chinese south china sea, that has literally the world, including north korea, flouting american power. Were going to go back to the days of peace through strength. But i have to tell you that all this talk about tax returns, and i get it, you know, you want to keep bringing it up, it must have scored high in a focus group. Hillary clinton and her husband set up a private foundation called the clinton while she was secretary of state, the clinton accepted tens of millions of dollars from foreign governments and foreign donors. Now, yall need to know out there, this is basic stuff. Foreign donors and certainly foreign governments cannot participate in the ameri political process. They cannot make financial contributions. But the clintons figured out a way to create a foundation where foreign governments and foreign donors could donate millions of dollars and then we found, associated press, that more than half of her private meetings when she was secretary of state were given to major donors of the Clinton Foundation. When you talk about all these baseless rumors about russia and the rest, Hillary Clinton you ask the trustworthy question at the very beginning. Governor, your three minutes are up. Theyre looking at the pay to play politics she operated govern, please. Your two minutesre up, governor. Theyre saying enough is enough. Foundation, then ill talk about north korea. So on the foundation. I am glad to talk about the foundation. The Clinton Foundation is one of the highest rated charities in the world. It provides aids drugs to about 11. 5 million people. It helps americans deal with opioid overdoses. It gets higher rankings for its charity than then a red cross does. The Clinton Foundation does an awful lot of good work. Hillary clinton as secretary of state took no action to benefit investigation and they concluded that everything Hillary Clinton did as secretary of state was completely in the interests of the United States. So the foundation does good work, and hillary cnt as cretary of state acted in the interests of the United States. But lets compare this now with the Trump Organization and the Trump Foundation. The Trump Organization is an octopuslike organization with tentacles all over the world, whose conflicts of interest could only be kwn trump would release his tax returns. Ef used to do it. His sons have said that the organization has a lot of business dealings in russia. And remember, the Trump Organization is not a nonprofit. Its putting money into Donald Trumps pockets and into the pockets of his children, whereas the Clinton Foundation is a nonprofit, and no Clinton Foundation member draws any salary. In addition, donald trump whats a foundation. The foundation was just fined Foundation Dollars to a political campaign, a Florida Attorney general. They made an illegal contribution and then they tried to hide it by disguising it as somebody else. The person they donated to is somebody whose office was charged with investigating trump university. This is the difference between a foundation that does good work and a secretary of state who acted in accord with american interests and somebody who is conflicting in doing work around the world and wont share with the American Public what hes doing are. Governor, i will give you 30 seconds to respond because i know you want to, i would again remind you both this was about north korea. Thank you. Thank you. The Trump Foundation is a private family foundation, they give virtually every cent in the Trump Foundation to charitable causes. A political contribution . 20,000 portrait of donald trump . Ten cents on the dollar, the to 90 . Its been a platform for the clintons to travel tworld, to have staff. But honestly, senator, we would know a lot more about it if Hillary Clinton would just turn over the 33,000 emails that she lets go back that were in her private server. Senator kaine, if you had intelligence that north korea was about to launch a missile, a Nuclear Armed missile capable of reaching the United States, would you take action . Look, a president should take action to defend the United States against imminent threat. A president has to do that. Exactly what action, you would have to determine what your intelligence was, how certain you were of that intelligence. But you would have to take action. You asked a question about how do we deal with north korea. Im on the Foreign Relations committee. We just did an extensive sanctions package against north korea. And interestingly enough, elaine, the u. N. Followed and often china will use their detail in the Security Council to veto a package like that. Theyre getting worried about north korea too. They supported the package even though many of the sanctions are against chinese firms, chinese financial institutions. Were working together with china, and we need to. China is one of those relationships where its competitive, its also challenges, and in times like north korea, we have to be able to cooperate. Hillary well. She went once famously to china, stood up at a human rights meeting, and said, womens rights are human rights. They didnt want her to say that but she did. Shes also worked on important diplomatic deals with china. Thats what its going to take. The thing i would worry a little bit about is donald trump owes about 650 million to banks including the bank of china. Im not sure he could stand up so tough to the people who have loaned him money. I would like to focus on social issues. You have both been open about the role that faith has played in your lives. Can you discuss in detail a time when you struggled to balance your personal faith and a Public Policy position . Senator kaine. Thats an easy one for me, elaine. Im really fortunate, i grew up in a wonderful household with great Irish Catholic parents, my mom and dad are sitting right here. I was worked with jesuit missionaries in honduras, they were the heroes of my life. I try to practice my religion in a very devout way and follow the teachings of my church in my own personal life. But i dont believe in a First Amendment nation where we dont raise any religion over the other and we allow people to worship as they please, that the be mandated for everyone. For me, the hardest struggle was the Catholic Church is against the Death Penalty and so am i, but i was governor of a state. The state law said that there was a Death Penalty for crimes that the jury determined them to be heinous. I had to grapple with that. When i was running for governor, i was attacked pretty strongly because of my position on the Death Penalty. I looked the voters of virginia in the eye and said, look, this is my religion, im not going to change my religious practiceo take an oathnd uphold the law, and if you elect me i will uphold the law. I was elected, and i did. It was very, very difficult to allow executions to go forward. But in circumstances where i didnt feel like there was a case for clemency, i told virginia voters i would uphold the law, and i did. That was a real struggle. But i think it is really, really important that those of us who have deep faith lives dont feel like we can just substitute our own views for everybody else in governor pence. Its a wonderful question. And my Christian Faith is at the very heart of who i am. I was also raised in a wonderful family of faith. It was church on sunday morning and grace before dinner. But my Christian Faith became real for me when i made a personal decision for christ when i was a freshman in college. And ive tried to live however imperfectly every day of my life since, with my wife at my side, we followed a calling in where weve tried to kee faith with the values that we cherish. And with regard to when i struggle, i appreciate and i have a great deal of resct senar kaines sincere faith, i truly do. Thats shared. For me, i will tell you that proceeds out of the belief that ancient principle that where god says before you were formed in the womb, i knew you. For my first time in public life ive sought to stand with great compassion for the sanctity of life. The state of indiana has also sought to make sure we expand alternatives in health care counli alternatives. Were well on our way in indiana to becoming the most pro adoption state in america. If youre going to be prolife, you should be pro adoption. What i cant understand is with Hillary Clinton, and now senator kaine at her side, to support a practice like partial birth abortion, to hold to the view, and i know senator kaine, you hold prolife views personally, buthe very idea that a child that is almost born into the life taken from them is just anathema to me. I cant conscience a party that supports that. I kw youve historically opposed taxpayer funding of abortion. Hillary clinton wants to repeal the longstanding provision until the law where we said we wouldnt use taxpayer dolrs to fund abortion. My faith informs my life, i try and spend time on my knees every it all begins for me with cherishing the dignity, the worth, the value of every human life. Elaine, this is a fundamental question, a fundamental question. Hillary and i are both people out of religious backgrounds. Her Methodist Church experience was really form ative for her as a Public Servant. We really feel like you should live fully and with enthusiasm of commands of your faith. But it is not the role of the Public Servant to mandate that lets talk about abortion and choice. Lets talk about that. We support roe versus wade. We support the constitutional right of american women to consult their own conscience, their own supportivepartner, their own minister, but then make their own decision about pregnancy. Thats something we trust american women to do that. And we dont think that women should bepunished, as donald trump said they making the decision to have an abtion. Governor pence wants to repeal roe versus wade. He says he wants to put it on the ash heap of history. Some young people in the audience werent even born when roe was decided. This is pretty important. Before roe versus wade, states could pass criminal laws to do just that, to punish women if they made the choice to terminate a pregnancy. I think you should live your moral values, but the last thing, the very last thing that that would punish women who make reproductive choices. And that is the fundamental difference between a Clinton Kaine ticket and a trumppence ticket who wants to punish women. Its really not. Donald trump and i would never support legislation that punished women who made the heartbreaking choice to end a pregnancy. Then why did donald trump say that . We just never would. Why did he say that . Look, hes not a polished politician like you and Hillary Clinton. And so great line from the gospel, from the fullness of the heart, the mouth speaks. When donald trump says women should be punished or mexicans are rapists and criminals, or john mccain is not a hero, he is showing you who he is. Senator, you whipped out that mexican thing again. Look can you defend it . There are criminal aliens in are perpetrating violence and taking do you want to take the tar brush to mexicans on that . He said many of them are good people. You keep leaving that out of your quote. There is a and it is a choice o life. I couldnt be more proud to be standing with donald trump, who tanding for the right to life. Its a principle that senator kaine, and im very gentle about this because i really do respect you, its a embrace, and i have appreciated the fact that youve supported the Hyde Amendment which bans the use of taxpayer funding for abortion in the past. Thats not Hillary Clintons view. People need to understand, we can come together as a nation, create a culture of life. More and more young people today are embracing life because we know were better for it. We can like Mother Teresa said this is important