60 years of news because this is face the nation. Captioning sponsored by cbs good morning we start with ebola in new york city, dr. Craig spence the latest american to contract the disease remains hospitalized at bellevue hospital. But there is growing controversy over mandatory quarantine issued by the governors of new york, new jersey, illinois and florida. Quarantine applies to all passengers coming back sible to the u. S. Who have come in direct contact with ebola patients in west africa. Start our coverage with dr. Anthony fauci from the National Institutes of health. Good morning. Do these quarantines go against science . Because youve always insisted we should start with the science. First of all, the most important thing to protect the American People and as you said, you got to base your decision and policy on Scientific Evidence and scientific principles. What we are taking about Health Care Workers coming back they are at Different Levels of risk depending on their experience. And you tailor the kinds of monitoring passively, actively, direct according to that kind of risk. The idea of a blanket quarantine for people who come back could possibly have a negative consequence of essentially disincentivizing people from wanting to go there, the reason thats important because best way to protect americans is to stop the epidemic in africa we need those Health Care Workers to do that. To put them in position when they come back no matter what, automatically theyre under quarantine, can actually have unintended consequences thats reason why were concerned. Rose suppose governors would say two things, number one, if you look at monitoring it doesnt seem necessary to work. And, two, we have responsibility to make sure that panic doesnt set in. That is correct. Thats appreciated and understood. When you look at the kinds of monitoring, continually on an every day basis making sure were getting it work and doing it right, as youll see the monitoring protocol that we pit in to place will be able to be tailored according to the scientific evaluation of the risk. So when you put everyone in the same basket, that is the thing that were concerned about. In fact the nurses said im squared that they will see disorganization fear most frightening quarantine and disin senn i have to come. Right. Thats exactly what were concerned about. Its totally understandable not being critical of people who make that decision and understand why they may want to do that. But we have to keep emphasizing, be careful, make sure that what your decisions and policy are based on Scientific Data and scientific evaluation. Rose do we have more on the doctor . I cant comment on his personal care because im not directly taking care of him i just have to have see what i read in the media. Rose getting back to the science, can you get ebola from a bowling ball thats been in the hands ever someone . You have to come in to direct contact with the body fluids of someone who is sick with ebola. If a person who is without symptoms and not sick has a bowling ball, that is essentially no risk. So vanishingly small has to be unmeasurable. Rose in west africa is it moving to a Tipping Point or slowing down . Well, you know, you cant tell because lot of cases now are becoming unreported, we know from the people who are there from our own people that it is still raging, it still needs considerable amount more effort on Global Community to try to stop that. Particularly trained Health Care Workers, hospital beds, the things that would put down an epidemic. Rose still a serious problem. Someone who understands ebola, the forefront of this battle today, have you learned any new science based on whats happened so far or is it simply a new experience from the numbers involved . Its much more a new experience and different circumstances that the fundamental scientific principles of how its transmitted has hot been changed. The fundamental principles of Contact Tracing being paramount to your methodology of suppressing it. That hasnt changed. The experience of an explosion of an epidemic in highly populated area and exportation out that experience certainly is new. Rose of all the things that you have seen so far what is it that you think must be rebutted so as not to cause fear . Well, i think rather than rebut just keep stating the fundamental principles, when someone is without symptoms, if you do not come in to contact with their body fluid, this is not spread the way other diseases like in flew seen or other types of respiratory diseases are spread where you can you and i could be talking im a little bit sick i go like that you can get you dont get ebola that way. That is the thing we have to make absolutely certain. The only two people in the United States who have gotten ebola are brave, Health Care Nurses who have taken care of a patient who was seriously ill. Rose what is most important thing weve learned so far . Weve learned that weve got to be more continue to be aggressive in our educating people to understand. Because right now we have devastating epidemic in west africa, we are having epidemic of fear in the United States. Weve got to continue to try to educate people about what they need to or do not need to be afraid of. Rose so far is there no symptoms theres no contigen. Right. You have to come in to direct contact. Someone standing there looking well theyre not going to transmit it. Amber vincent just hearing from reports is doing quite well thats just second hand i havent taken care of. Nina is doing great, shes back home, feeling well. She just sent me email ten minutes ago saying, how are you doing, i miss you. Rose thank you very much. Now go to new york cbs news chief head cool correspondent. Dickerson lapook. Let me continue this conversation about Health Care Workers you have talked to the nurse and to her parents. What are you learning from them . Morning, charlie. Mid the debate on one side weve heard that about whether or not there should be mandatory quarantine. But what im learning, on other side there should be no debate about whether we treat returning Health Care Workers, who are there heroically with compassion and respect. I spoke to tracy this morning, and theres really two phases here, one is in the airport she felt that she really was not treated with respect. In fact she said at one point she felt she was being treated like a criminal. She didnt know what was going on, she was not aware of where she was going to go. Several hours went by, she was hungry, finally gave her a little bit of food. She went to the hospital in newark, University Hospital in newark, there it changed. She was put in to a tent. The personnel for the most part, nurses and doctors were terrific. But still now in the second phase she went in to sort of not knowing what was going on. She was in sort of the didnt get her clothes, she wasnt able to take a shower, still hasnt been able to take a shower she has a little basin was able to give herself sponge bath there. Is a sort of portapotty with a little curtain. Her big question, what is going to happen next. She spoke to assistant commissioner who called her, what is next. Really she wasnt given an answer shes sort of in limbo. What she wants to go is go back home. Rose has she said that it would be a deterrent for her if she knew she faced a quarantine coming back from africa . I asked her about that, what are the repercussions, she said i think wisely, im right in the middle of it i need few days to think about that. Then she added she did think that it could be deterrent to going over there. Because after all, going over there heroically to try to face people on the other side of the ocean and putting yourself in danger then on top that have to have to worry about coming back and put in quarantine. She wrote down something, were you scared and what was the hardest part of being over there with the protective equipment. She said the equipment, he watching people separated from their family sick and scared. This is somebody who is truly compassionate, she just went over there to help people. Her parents are beside themselves being so far away not being able to do something for their daughter. Rose for the record, do you think more and more people are raising concerns about the quarantine because it is not coming from science but from an effort to make sure that theres not too much fear and panic . I think dr. Fauci addressed that very well. I think what is important is that when you talk about doing the quarantine, seems like that audibles are being called. Being done on the fly. This is something that has to be sought out she ended up being taken to a place that she said only one other person had ever been in that tent. There was no television, not that thats so crucial. No books. No ability to have access to a good computer network, she did send me some pictures on her iphone. But these things have to be thought out and logistically, these are people who are doing the work that needs to be done because in order to stop from coming over here we got to get rid of it in west of aa theyre coming back here. How are we going to treat them . With respect and dignity that they deserve. Rose thank you. We want now to turn to West Virginia democratic senator from West Virginia, jo manchin, good morning, senator. Good morning, how are you . Rose good to speak with you. The republicans according to the polls even trends may lose the step at of that . Senate and implications. Our democrats that we have running right now in the socalled red state. This is the strength of our moderate team. Charlie, forever one to change washington you have to have moderates, whether it be in democrats or republicans. Im hoping all the people in the states whether down in louisiana up to alaska, and all of our people that we have in arkansas. This is the strength of our moderates. In new hampshire, we have of course these are people that are willing to reach across the aisle, trying to find solutions for americans the citizens and constituents and voters of those states. Rose how different are these moderates in terms much positions from the president . I know what people are asking, can the president help them in those states. I dont think he can help in those states. These people have voted against the president on most of what ive always said this, no matter who the president is, whether its george bush, whether its barack obama or whoever the next president. We should all want the president to do well but we have responsibility especially as senators to speak up when we think its not in the best interest of our country or our states that we represent. These are the people that do that. Lets look on republican side. Weve got lamar alexander, we have susan collins, weve got Lindsey Graham those are good people. Rose the president said in radio spot that they have been very helpful to him in getting his agenda passed. That might be his evaluation. You know one thingf that agenda looks good for america were talking about then theyre going to vote. But just saying the president calls up telling them how to vote, that doesnt happen. I know that for a fact. Im living proof of that. But when you see what is good no matter who the president is what the policy may be you do what is best for your country first. Cant we get out of this type of attacking each other and talk in be americans first. We can be conservative and liberals if you want to be. Rose if the polls are right democrats turn this around in the next nine days, the perception may have set in. Let me just say this. Ive never seen this much money, its a shame, its almost an absolute shame in what is being done to the American Voters having this much money spent trying to believe that youre somebody youre not or someone controlling your vet or controls how you think or what you say. I know these people, thats not the case. For them to say based on all this money and still every race i have seen, charlie, i just spoke about was in the margin of error it can go either way. I think hopefully when the people look at who represents them, best interest of what theyre doing and how they have been doing it, if they vote for some of these really great moderate democrats who have been there. Rose you have addressed issues of guns, another shooting incident, is guns, are they an issue in this election . Would like to think that we can have elected officials with enough fortitude to basically look at guns, i am a lifetime member of the nar i have a gun person, i enjoy. I enjoy this, i think its for good purpose, but with that being said got to have gun sense f. I dont know who you are, charlie, im a law abiding gun owner, im not going to do something wrong because i own a gun. But i also law abiding gun owner be response official i go to a commercial gun show, if i go on the internet, i want to know who wants to buy my gun and i would think they would want to know who theyre telling their gun to. That is common gun sense. Most gun owners agree with that. Thats all we did. Rose one important issue of foreign policy. Today American Marines turned over camp in afghanistan they are leaving afghanistan do you believe that afghanistan faces some consequence because of the declining American Military presence there . Charlie, hindsight is 20 20. Ive been in that area, most all senators have been over, had privilege of going and seeing the tremendous dedication from our troops that support us and defend us. With that being said i hope better evaluations have been made on ability of afghans to defend themselves, they have the will to fight, do their leaders are they committed to have tranquil type of transition, better quality of life for that part of the world and their people there. That didnt happen in iraq. We do not want to see what happened in iraq repeated. But theyre going to have to have desire to defend and die for their country. We have shed enough blood and spent enough treasury in that part of the world and havent changed it. If the people dont want change we cant give it to them. I have very thankful that our people our marines are coming home. Im very thankful for that. Rose you just rushed i think from returned and talked to officials of the british government, mike rogers just returned well talk about that, do you support what the president has done with respect to fighting isis in syria . Im not for putting american troops on the ground. Did i not vote to go in there and try to fight 5,000 Syrian Rebels who we think could be kind, considerate, compassionate. Pay 500 million expect them to turn around fight the isis then turn around to get drawn in to a civil war. I dont think after 1 years have we learned nothing ive said in great state of West Virginia we have a Little Common sense we understand the definition of insanity, continue to do the same thing and expected Something Different to happen. With that being said, certainly we should take happy to help tactical and technically helping you with the air war it should be a ground war. Saudis have to engage, turks have to engage, the kurds are only ones that seem to want to fight and defend and die for what they believe in. Until we see the other regions were not going to change that. If we can contain them there, leave them there, i dont know what else to do. They are intent on destroying each other they have been doing it for 1400 years, bottom line we should be very clear in our position, in the world, if you are training to do harm to americans well come take you out wherever you are. Rose thank you so much for joining us this morning. Well be right back. When change is in the air you see things in a whole new way. Its in this spirit that ing u. S. Is becoming a new kind of company. One that helps you think differently about whats ahead, and whats possible when you get things organized. Ing u. S. Is now voya. Changing the way you think of retirement. Rose claire man mike rogers. You just returned to britain and other places, with that said, the brits have taken a position they will do what they can do in iraq but not in syria. Were you successful in trying to change their mind . We had a lot of very destructive conversations with the Security Committee folks and Intelligence Services and defense individuals, i will say this, one of the things that i think has shocked our british friend, is this lack of strategy. I think they will be with us if we can put together a coherent strategy for syria and iraq. I really do believe that. Rose what kind of strategy that we need that we do not have now . If you think of what were doing, really very big problem. What were going to need to do is further engage our nato allies, going to need to allow special forces capability, soldiers both from britain and United States and others to go down range with these individuals that we have trained, both iraq, iraq see soldiers and seen syria that would allow more effective fighting on the ground. Rose that is putting combat troops on the ground, isnt it . We didnt have war with isis in the beginning, we had a war on semantics, that is dangerous place to be, when you think of boots on the ground, big maneuver elements, brigades. I dont think we should eliminate it. Rose if necessary would you recommend it . Military says we need it . American boots on the ground in syria to stop sizes, youre in favor. If that here is my concern f. We dont do this smaller more effective thing now we will get to the point where were going to have to have big maneuver military elements. Special forces capabilities, special capability soldiers and intelligence officials are needed if youre going to be more impactful. If you put 20year plan together to beat isil. Rose move to another concern among many people is the idea of lone wolf. People in the United States or in canada on their own, what kind of threat dos that pose to our own national security. Huge and gelling worse. Here is the problem. In britain theyre very close to being over watched, meaning resources cant keep up with the individuals that have both gone to syria and fought and have come back. There will be a point where they will have to do priority list meaning people are a danger they cant keep up with. Were not that far behind. Canadians are not behind. Australia not far behind. Australian case so concerning is these people wanted to go to syria to fight they were told by the isil leadership folks, stay in australia, spontaneous act of terror, kidnap people, cut their heads off and videotape it. Thats whats changed. Thats why people are so upset. Rose say to the report that we read in the New York Times last week that theyre unsuccessful generally when they come to the aid of these kind of people. Unsuccessful in terms of rose of providing covert aid to groups that are fighting government. Well, again, i think with more overt natobased operation is very different kind of operation. I will tell you that watching this problem develop over last three years in multiple places in the world it has been less than effective. We have not seen the kind of results that we would hope to have seen but we should learn from that experience. And one thing that we know if you have those special capability soldiers down range with them in this fight, those forces tend to fight better, they know that they can get medevaced off the battlefield, their intelligence is better and target sense are better. Rose thank you, mike rogers. Back in a moment. Stay with us. 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And afghanistan and there was ceremonial lowering of the coalition flag. Only be afghan flag flying above camp leatherneck. Rose is this really it for these marines . Aside from handful of marines that will cycle through kabul this is officially it for the marines. Been a long 13 years here particularly in helman province. But everyone ive spoken to here from the commanders on down really consider this a successful mission. They think the afghan army is up to the task of securing the region and they point to the months of that because afghan took on taliban by themselves without any ground support. They acknowledge that there is still a lot of work to be done, still some insecurity particularly on the road but they think afghans are up to the task they think its time they took over. Rose in afghanistan, thanks. Well be right back. How can power consumption in china, impact wool exports from new zealand, textile production in spain, and the use of medical technology in the u. S. . 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