the question is what changed your mind? >> well, nobody was pressing it. nobody was caring much about it. i figured you'd ask the question tonight, of course. but nobody was caring much about it. but i was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate and i think i did a good job. secretary clinton also fought it, you know, everybody in the mainstream is going to say that's not true. sydney blumenthal sent the reporter the interview with your former campaign manager and she was involved. but just like she can't bring back jobs, she can't produce. >> i'm sorry, i'm going to -- i will let you respond to that. there's a lot there. we're talking about racial healing in this segment. what do you say to americans -- >> well, i was very -- i say nothing. i say nothing because i was able to get him to produce it. he should have produced it a long time before. i say nothing. but let me just tell you, when you talk about healing, i think that i developed very, very good the african-american community. i think you can see that. and i feel that they really wanted me to come to that conclusion and i think i did a great job and a great service not only for the country, but even for the president in getting him to produce his birth certificate. >> secretary clinton. >> well, just listen to what you heard. and clearly as donald just admitted, he knew he on this debate stage and lester holt was going to be asking us questions, so he tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed. it can't be dismissed that easily. he has really started his political activity based on this racist lie that our first black president was not an american citizen. there was absolutely no evidence for it, he persisted year after year because some of his supporters, people that he was trying to bring into his fold, apparently believed it or wanted to believe it. but remember, donald started his career back in 1973 being sued by the justice department for racial discrimination because he would not rent apartments in one of his developments to african-americans and people who worked for him understood that was the policy. he actually was sued twice by the justice department. so he has a long record of engaging in racist behavior. and the birther lie was a very hurtful one. you know, barack obama is a man of great dignity and i could tell how much it bothered him and was being touted and used against him, but i like to remember what michelle obama said in her amazing speech at our democratic national convention. "when they go low, we go high." and barack obama went high despite donald trump's best efforts to bring him down. >> mr. trump, you can respond then we're going to move to the next segment. >> i would love to respond. first of all i got to this some of your debate against barack obama. you treated him with terrible disrespect and i watched the way you talk now about how lovely everything is and how wonderful you are. doesn't work that way. you were after him. you were trying to -- you even sent out, your campaign sent out pictures of him in a certain garb. very famous pictures. i don't think you can deny that. but just last week your campaign manager said it was true. so when you try to act holier than thou, it really doesn't work. it really doesn't. now, as far as the was very young, i went into my father's company, real estate company in brooklyn and queens and we along with many, many other companies throughout the country, a federal lawsuit, were sued. we settled the suit with zero, with no admission of guilt. it was very easy to do, but they sued many people. i notice you bring that up a lot, and, you know, i also notice the very nasty commercials that you do on me and so many different ways which i don't do on you. maybe i'm trying to save the money. but frankly, i look -- l amazing, because i settled that lawsuit with no admission of guilt. but that was a lawsuit brought against many real estate firms and it's just one of those things. i'll go one step further. in palm beach, florida, tough community, a brilliant community, a wealthy community, probably the wealthiest community there is in the world, i opened a club and really got great credit for it. against african-americans, against muslims, against anybody. and it's a tremendously successful club and i'm so glad i did it and i have been given great credit for what i did and i'm very, very proud of it. and that's the way i feel. that is the true way i feel. >> our next segment is called securing america. we want to start with a 21st century war happening every day in this country. our institutions and our secrets are being stolen. so my question is, who's behind it and how do we fight it? secretary clinton, this answer goes to you. >> well, i think cyber security, cyber warfare, will be one of the biggest challenges facing the next president because clearly we're facing at this point two different kinds of adversaries. there are the independent hacking groups that do it mostly for commercial make money. but increasingly, we are seeing cyber attacks coming from states. organs of states. the most recent and troubling of these has been russia. there's no doubt now that russia has used cyber attacks against all kinds of organizations in our country and i am deeply concerned about this. i know donald's very praise worthy of vladimir b >> wong. >> playing a really tough long game here. one of the things he's done is to let loose cyber attackers to hack in to government files, to hack into personal files. hack into the democratic national committee. and we've recently have learned that this is one of their preferred methods of trying to wreak havoc and collect information. it's russia, china, iran or anybody else, the united states has much greater capacity and we are not going to sit idly by and permit state actors to go after our information. our private sector information, or our public sector information. and we're going to have to make it clear that we don't want to use the kinds of tools that we have. we don't want to engage in a different kind of warfare. but we will citizens of this country and the russians need to understand that. i think they've been treating it as almost a probing. how far will we go, how much will we do? that's why i was so shocked when donald publicly invited putin to hack into americans. that is just unacceptable. it's one of the reasons why 50 national security officials who served in republican information -- in >> -- have said donald is unfit to be the commander in chief. it's comments like that that really worry people who understand the threats that we face. >> mr. trump, you have two minutes on the same question. who's behind it and how do we fight it. >> yeah, i do want to say i was just endorsed, more are coming next week. it will be over 200 admirals, many of them are here, admirals and generals endorsed me to lead this country. that just happened and many more are coming. and i'm very proud of it. in addition, i was i.c.e. they never endorsed anybody before on immigration. i was just endorsed by i.c.e. i was just recently endorsed, 16,500 border patrol agents. so when secretary clinton talks about this, i mean, i'll take the admirals and i'll take the generals any day over the political hacks that i see that have led our country so brilliantly over the last ten years with their knowledge. okay? because look at the mess that we're in. look at the mess that we're in. as far as the cyber, i secretary clinton said. we should be better than anybody else and perhaps we're not. i don't think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. she's saying russia, russia, russia, but i don't -- maybe it was. it could be russia. could also be china. could also be lots of other people. also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds. okay? you don't know who broke into dnc, but what did we learn with dnc? we learned that bernie sanders was taken ag by debbie wasserman-schultz. look what happened to her. but bernie sanders was taken advantage of. now, whether that was russia, whether that was china, whether it was another country, we don't know because the truth is, under president obama, we lost control of things that we used to have control of. we came in with an internet, we came up with the internet. and i think secretary clinton and myself would agree very much when you look at what isis is doing with the beating us at our own game. isis. so we have to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. it is a huge problem. i have a son, he's 10 years old. he has computers. he is so good with these computers. it's unbelievable. the security aspect of cyber is very, very tough and maybe it's hardly doable, but i will say we are not doing the job we should be in our whole governmental society. we have so many things we have to do better, lester, and certainly cyber is one of them. >> secretary clinton? >> well, i think there are a number of issues that we should be addressing. i have put forth a plan to defeat isis. it does involve going after them online. i think we need to do much more with our tech companies to prevent isis and their internet to radicalize, even direct people in our country and europe and elsewhere, but we also have to intensify our air strikes against isis and eventually support our arab and kurdish partners to be able to actually take out isis in raqqah, in their claim of being a caliphate. we're making progress. our military is assisting in iraq and we're hoping that be able to push isis out of iraq and then, you know, really squeeze them in syria. but we have to be cognizant of the fact that they've had foreign fighters coming to volunteer for them, foreign money, foreign weapons. so we have to make this the top priority and i would also do everything possible to take out their leadership. i was involved in a number of efforts to take out al qaeda leadership when i was taking out bin laden. i think we need to go after baghdadi as well. make that one of our organiing principles because we've got to defeat isis and got to do everything we can to disrupt their propaganda efforts online. >> you mentioned isis and we think of isis certainly as over there, but there are american citizens who have been inspired to commit acts of terror on american soil. the latest incident, of course, the bombings we just saw in new york and new jersey. the and the last year, deadly attacks in san bernardino and orlando. i'll ask this to both of you. tell us specifically how you would prevent homegrown attacks by american citizens? mr. trump? >> first, i have to say one thing. very important. secretary clinton is talking about taking out isis. we will take out isis. well, president obama and secretary clinton created a vacuum the way they got out of iraq because they got out wrong. once they got in, the way they got out was a disaster and isis was formed. she talks about taking them out. she's been doing it a long time. she's been trying to take them out for a long time. they wouldn't have even been formed if they left some troops behind like 10,000 or maybe something more than that. and then you wouldn't have had them. or as i've been saying for a long time, and i think you'll agree because i said it to you once, had we taken the oil, and we should have taken the oil, isis would not have either because the oil was their primary source of income and now they have the oil all over the place including the oil, a lot of the oil in libya which was another one of her disasters. >> secretary clinton. >> well, i hope the fact checkers are turning up the volume and really working hard. donald supported the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> that is absolutely -- >> wrong. >> -- proved over and over again. >> wrong. >> he actually advocated for the and urged that gadhafi be taken out after actually doing some business with him one time. but the larger point, he says this constantly, is george w. bush made the agreement about when american troops would leave iraq. not barack obama. and the only way that american troops could have stayed in iraq is to get an agreement from the have protected our troops and the iraqi government would not give that. but let's talk about the question you asked, lester. the question you asked is what do we do here in the united states? that's the most important part of this. how do we prevent attacks? how do we protect our people? and i think we've got to have an intelligence surge where we are looking for every scrap of information. i was so proud of law enforcement in new responded so quickly, so professionally, to the attacks that occurred by rahami and they brought him down and we may find out more information because he is still alive, which may prove to be an intelligence benefit. so we've got to do everything we can to vacuum up intelligence from europe, from the middle east. that means we've got to work more closely with our allies. and that's something that donald has been very dismiss we're working with nato, the longest military alliance in the history of the world, to really turn our attention to terrorism. we're working with our friends in the middle east. many of which, as you know, are muslim majority nations. donald has consistently insulted muslims abroad. muslims at home. when we need to be cooperating with muslim nations and with the american muslim community. they're on the front lines. they can provide anywhere else. they need to have close working cooperation with law enforcement in these communities. not be alienated and pushed away as some of donald's rhetoric, unfortunately, has led to. >> mr. -- >> well, i have to respond. >> please respond. >> the secretary said, very strongly, about working with -- we've been working with them for many years and we have the greatest mess anyone's ever seen. you look at the middle east. it's a total mess. r you look at the middle east. you started the iran deal. that's another beauty where you have a country that was ready to fall, i mean, it was doing so badly, they were choking on the sanctions and now they're going to be actually probably a major power at some point pretty soon the way they're going. but when you look at nato, i was asked on a major show, what do you think of nato? you have to understand, i'm a businessperson. i did really well, but i have common sense. and i said, well, i'll tell you, i haven't given lots of thought things. number one, the 28 countries of nato, many of them aren't paying their fair share. number two, and that bothers me because we should be -- we're defending them. they should at least be paying us what they're supposed to be paying by treaty and contract. and number two, i said, and very strongly, nato could be obsolete because -- and i was very strong on this. it was actually covered very accurately in "the new york times" which is unusual for "the new york times" to be honest. but i said, they do nos and i was very strong. and i said it numerous times and about four months ago, i read on the front page of the "wall street journal" that nato is opening up a major terror division and i think that's great. and i think we should get, because we pay approximately 73% of the cost of nato, it's a lot of money to protect other people. but i'm all for nato, but i said they have to focus on terror also. and they're going to do that. that was largely because of what i was saying and my criticism of nato. i think we have to get nato to go into the middle east with us in addition to surrounding nations and we have to knock the hell out of isis and we have to do it fast. when isis formed in this vacuum created by barack obama and secretary clinton, and believe me, you were the ones that took out the troops. not only that, you named the day. they they sat back probably and said -- >> lester, we covered this -- >> wait a minute. they said wait a minute, when they formed, this is something that never should have happened. it never should have happened. now you're talking about taking out isis. but you were there and you were secretary of state when it was a little infant. now it's in over 30 countries and you're going to stop them? i don't think so. >> mr. trump, with a lot of these are judgment questions. you had supported the war in iraq before the invasion. what makes your -- >> i did not support mainstream media nonsense put out by her because she frankly i think the best person in her campaign is mainstream media. >> my question -- >> would you like to hear? i was against -- wait a minute. i was against the war in iraq. just so you put it out. >> the record shows otherwise. why -- >> the record does not show -- >> why is your judgment any -- >> the record shows that i'm right. when i did an interview with howard stern, very likely first time anyone's asked me that, i very like li asked me that, i said, veryghtly, i don't know, maybe, who knows, essentially. i then did an interview with neil cavuto, talked about the economy is more important. i spoke to sean hannity, everybody refuses to call sean hannity. i had numerous conversations with sean hannity at fox and sean hannity said, and he called me the other day, and i spoke to him about it. he said, you were totally against the war. he was for the war. >> why is your judgment better -- >> that was before the and other people, he's willing to say, but nobody wants to call him. i was against the war. he said, you used to have fights with me because sean was in favor of the war. i understand that side also. not very much, because we should have never been there. but nobody calls sean hannity. then they did an article in a major magazine shortly after the war started i think in '04, but they did an article which had me totally against the war in iraq. and one of your co before or right after, trump was definite because if you read this article, there's no doubt. but if somebody, and i'll ask the press, if somebody would call up sean hannity, this was before the war started, he and i used to have arguments about the war. i said it's a terrible and a stupid thing. it's going to destabilize the middle east and that's exactly what it's done. >> my reference was what you had said in 2002. my question was -- >> you didn't hear what i said. >> why is your judgment any different >> i have much better judgment than she does. there's no question about that. i also have a much better temperament than she has. you know? i have a much better -- she spent, let me tell you, she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on an advertising -- you know, they get madison avenue into a room, they put names -- oh, temperament, let's go after it. i think my strongest asset, maybe by far, is my temperament. i have a winning temperament. i know how to win. she does not -- >> secretary clinton? >> wait. the afl-cio the other screen, i don't know who you were talking to, secretary clinton, but you were totally out of control. i said, there's a person with a temperament that's got a problem. >> secretary clinton. >> whew. okay. let's talk about two important issues that were briefly mentioned by donald. first nato. you know, nato as a something called article 5 and basically it says this. an attack on one is an attack on all. and you know, the only time it's ever been invoked after 9/11 when the 28 nations of nato said that they would go to afghanistan with us to fight terrorism. something that they still are doing by our side. with respect to iran, when i became secretary of state, from having enough nuclear material to form a bomb. they had mastered the nuclear fuel cycle under the bush administration. they had built covert facilities. they had stocked them with centrifuges that were whirling away. and we had sanctioned them. i voted for every sanction against iran when i was in the senate, but it wasn't enough. so i spent a year and a half putting together a coalition that included russia the toughest sanctions on iran. and we did drive them to the negotiating table and my successor, john kerry, and president obama got a deal that put a lid on iran's nuclear program. without firing a single shot. that's diplomacy. that's coalition building. that's working with other nations. the other day, i saw donald saying that there were some iranian sailors on a ship in the waters off of taunting american sailors who were on a nearby ship. he said, you know, if they taunted our sailors, i'd blow them out of the water and start another war. that's -- >> that would not start a war. >> that's not judgment. that is not the right temperament to be commander in chief. to be taunted. and the worst part -- >> no, they were taunting us. >> -- i heard donald say has been about nuclear weapons. he has said repeatedly other nations got nuclear weapons, japan, south korea, even saudi arabia. it has been the policy of the united states. democrats and republicans to do everything we could to reduce the proliferation of nuclear weapons. he even said, well, you know, if there were nuclear war in the east asia, well, you know, that's fine, you know. >> wrong. >> have a good time, folks. and, in fact, his cavalier attitude about nuclear weapons is so deeply that is the number-one threat we face in the world and it becomes particularly threatening if terrorists ever get their hands on any nuclear material. so a man who can be provoked by a tweet should not have his fingers anywhere near the nuclear codes as far as i think anyone with any sense about this should be concerned. >> getting a little bit old, i must say. >> it's a good one, though. well describes the problem. >> it's not an accurate one at all. a lot of thing, just to respond. i agree with her on one thing. the single greatest problem the world has is nuclear armament, nuclear weapons. not global warming like you think and your president thinks. nuclear is the single greatest threat. just to go down the list, we defend japan, we defend germany, we defend south korea, we defend saudi arabia, we defend countries. but they should be paying us because we are providing tremendous service and losing a fortune. that's why we're losing -- we're losing -- we lose on everything. i say who makes these -- we lose on everything. all i said that it's very possible that if they don't pay a fair share, because this isn't 40 years ago where we could do what we're doing. we can't defend japan, cars by the millions. >> we have to move on. >> they may have to defend themselves or help us out. we owe $20 trillion. they have to help us out. as far as the nuclear is concerned, i agree, it is the single greatest threat that this country has. >> which leads to my next question as we enter our last segment, on the subject of securing naerk. on nuclear weapons, president obama reportedly considered changing the nation's longstanding policy on first use. do you support the current policy? mr. trump, you have what secretary clinton was saying about nuclear with russia, she's very cavalier in the way she talks about various countries but russia has been expanding. they have a much newer capability than we do. we have not been updating from the new standpoint. i looked the other night, i was seeing b52s, they're old enough that your father, your grandfather could be flying them. we are not -- we are not keeping up with other countries. i would like everybody certainly not do first strike. i think that once the nuclear alternative happens, it's over. at the same time, we have to be prepared. i can't take anything off the table because you look at some of these countries, you look at north korea, we're doing nothing there. china should solve that problem for us. china should go into north korea. china is totally powerful as it relates to north korea. and by the way, another one powerful is the worst deal i negotiated that you started is the iran deal. iran is one of their biggest trading partners. iran has power over north korea. and when they made that horrible deal with iran, they should have included the fact that they do something with respect to north korea and they should have done something with respect to yemen and all these other places. and when asked to secretary kerry, why didn't you do that, why didn't you add other things into the deal? giveaways of all-time, of all-time, including $400 million in cash, nobody's ever seen that before, that turned out to be wrong. it was actually $1.7 billion in cash. obviously, i guess, for the hostages. it certainly looks that way. so you say to yourself, why didn't they make the right deal? this is one of the worst deals ever made by any country in history. the deal with iran will lead to nucle problems. all they have to do is sit back ten years and they don't have to do much. >> your two minutes has expired. >> i met with bibi netanyahu the other day. believe me, he is not a happy camper. >> all right. mrs. clinton, secretary clinton, you have two minutes. >> let me start by saying words matter. words matter when you run for president and they really matter when you are president. and i want to reassure our allies in japan, in south korea, and treaties and we will honor them. it is essential that america's word be good and so i know that this campaign has caused some questioning and some worries on the part of many leaders across the globe. i've talked with a number of them, but i want to, on behalf of myself and i think on behalf of a majority of the american people, say that, you know, our word is go that we look at the entire global situation. there's no doubt that we have other problems with iran, but personally, i'd rather deal with the other problems having put that lid on their nuclear program than still to be facing that. and donald never tells you what he would do. would he have started a war? would he have bombed iran? if he's going to criticize a deal that has been very successful in giving facilities that we never had before, then he should tell us what his alternative would be, but it's like his plan to defeat isis. he says it's a secret plan, but the only secret is that he has no plan. so we need to be more precise in how we talk about these issues. people around the world follow our presidential campaigns so closely trying to get hints about what we will do. can they rely on us? are we going to lead the world with strength and in accordance with our values? that's what i intend to do. i intend to be a leader of our country that people can count on both here at home and around the world to make decisions that will further peace and prosperity, but also stand up to bullies whether they're abroad or at home. we cannot let those who would try to destabilize the world american interests and security. >> your two minutes -- >> given any opportunities at all. >> is expired. >> lester, one thing i'd like to say. >> very quickly. 20 seconds. >> i will go very quickly but i will tell you that hillary will tell you to go to her website and read all about how to defeat isis which she could have defeated by never having it get going in the first place. right now it's getting tougher and tougher to defeat them. they're in more and >> mr. trump. >> it's a big problem. as far as japan is concerned, i want to help all of our allies. we're losing billions and billions of dollars. we cannot be the policemen of the world. we can not protect countries all over the world where they're not paying us what we need. >> we have a few final questions. >> she doesn't say that because she's got no business ability. we need heart, a lot of things. you have to have some basic ability. sadly, she doesn't have that. all of the things that she's talking about last ten years, let's say, while she had great power but they weren't taken care of. if she ever wins this race, they won't be taken care of. >> mr. trump, this year secretary clinton became the first woman nominated for president by a major party. earlier this month you said she doesn't have, "a presidential look." she's standing here right now. what did you mean by that? >> she doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina. i said she doesn't have the stamina. and i don't believe she does have the stamina. to be president of this tremendous stamina. >> the quote was "i just don't think she has -- >> wait a minute. you asked me a question. did she ask me a question? you have to be able to negotiate on trade deals. you have to be able to negotiate -- that's right, with japan, with saudi arabia. i mean, can you imagine we're defending saudi arabia and with all of the money they have, we're defending them and they're not paying? all you have to do is speak to them. wait, you have so many different things you have to be able to do stamina. >> let's let her respond. >> well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a cease-fire, a release of dissidents, an opening of new opportunities in nations around the world, or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina. >> the world -- let me let me tell you. hillary has experience but it's bad experience. we have made so many bad deals during the last -- so she's got experience that i agree, but it's bad, bad experience. whether it's the iran deal that you're so in love with where we gave them $150 billion back. whether it's the iran deal, whether it's anything you -- you almost can't name a good deal. i agree, she's got experience, but it's afford to have another four years of that kind of experience. >> we are at the -- we're at the final question -- >> well, one thing -- >> very quickly because we're at the final question. >> he tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs, and dogs and someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. who has said -- >> i never said that. >> who have said deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men. >> didn't say. >> and one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. he loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. and he called this woman miss piggy. then he called her miss housekeeping because she was latina. donald, she has a name. >> where did you find this? where did you find citizen and you can bet she's going to vote this november. >> okay. good. let me just tell you -- >> mr. trump, ten seconds then we'll have the final question. >> you know, hillary is hitting me with tremendous commercials. some of it's said in entertainment, some of it said, somebody who's been very vicious to me, rosie o'donnell, i said very tough things to her and i think everybody would agree that she deserves it and nobody feels sorry for her. but you want to know the truth? i was going to say something -- >> please, very to hillary, to her family and i said to myself, i can't do it. i just can't do it. it's inappropriate. it's not nice. but she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me. many of which are absolutely untrue, they're untrue and misrepresentations. i will fell you this, lester. it's not nice and i don't -- i don't deserve that but it's certainly not a nice thing that she's done. it's hundreds of thing is i saw the polls come in today and with all of that money, over $200 million is spent and i'm either winning or tied. >> one of you -- >> i spent practically nothing. >> one of you -- one of you will not win this election. so my final question to you tonight, are you willing to accept the outcome as the will of the voter? secretary clinton. >> well, i support our democracy, and sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but i certainly will support the outcome this election. and i know donald's trying very hard to plant doubts about it, but i hope the people out there understand this election's really up to you. it's not about us so much as it is about you and your families and the kind of country and future you want. so i sure hope you will get out and vote as though your future depended on it because i think it does. >> mr. trump, very quickly. the same question. will you accept the outcome as the will of the voters? >> i want to make america great again. we're losing our jobs. people are pouring in to our country. the other day we were deporting 800 people. perhaps they pressed the wrong button. they pressed the wrong button. or perhaps worse than that, it was corruption. but these people that we were going to deport, for good reason, ended up becoming citizens. ended up becoming citizens. and it was 800 and now it turns out it might be 1,800 and they don't even know. >> will you a election? >> i want to make america great again. i'm going to be able to do it. i don't believe hillary will. the answer is if she wins, i will absolutely support her. >> all right. that is going to do it for us. that concludes our debate for this evening. a spirited one. we covered a lot of ground. not everything. as i suspected we wouldn't. would. the next presidential debates are scheduled for october 9th in washington university in st. louis. and october 19th at the university of nevada las vegas. the conversation will continue. a reminder the vice 4th at longwood university in farmville, virginia. my thanks to hillary clinton and to donald trump. and to hofstra university for hosting us tonight. good night, everyone. >> first presidential debate of this campaign season is in the record books. hillary clinton, donald trump taking questions for over 90 minutes. went a little bit long. and we see them now moderaor lester holt and expect them to greet their families as is tradition on these nights. chuck todd, i'll turn to you first. what did we witness tonight? do you think either candidate moved the needle in their directions? >> before i want to talk about the candidates, this most abnormal event i've ever witnessed. not a normal political debate. let's not sit here and pretend we saw something that was a quadrennial occasion here. this was as surreal as candidates didn't lie to us about how they prepared for this debate. hillary clinton was at times even, you could argue overprepared in her opening statement must have had 15 policy proposals within that two minutes. and that was donald trump who we've all come to cover on this campaign. that was the same donald trump. very reactive. he was filled with emotion. he had a couple of decent moments at the top. but there were times where i didn't understand the point he was making. i have to say, this i tougher and tougher for trump and it exposed his lack of preparation. >> tom brokaw, win, lose or draw? >> well, i think it's settled on points. it was not a knockout evening and people are going to be at home adding up the points. and i think that hillary's composure and mastery of the detail was consistent throughout and she was pleasant throughout. even when she turned to donald trump. donald trump started in a more organized fashion than we've the kind of bombast that he's used now. my guess is that he probably kept his constituency, but i don't think he pulled anybody across the line. >> i'm with you there. the pugilistic aspect of him is what excites his voters. you hear it. the first spontaneous moment in a debate audience i remember covering the things is when he said, oh yeah, i'll release my tax returns when she does her e-mails. the pugilism of hs boy, when it came to the birther question, when if came to questions about women, he did not do anything to help him add to his support total. i don't know how suburban republicans who have had doubts about him going into this debate, i don't know what he did to somehow win them over. >> i think that there was one moment that was -- in which they were both playing to the constituency. she was not critical at all of black-on-black crime. in the criminal justice system which we do. no question about that. a lot of people are troubled about black-on-black crime. he went completely to the police piece of it. they were dividing up the black constituentties and playing to their people at that point. >> as we talk here, we're looking at pictures. president bill clinton in the hall tonight, not his national course of action in a debate. normally when you see a president in the hall at one of these things they're running for re-election. there he is. i want to g and of course has been a veteran of the republican campaigns past. nicolle, as i go to you i guess the question this morning is if this debate were fought on demeanors, on the ground of who is more likable, who has addressed some of the character or temperament issues that have dogged both of them, frankly, in this campaign, do you think one side or the other comes out on top? >> well, listen, the expectations for hillary clinton couldn't have been higher and she met those expectations tonight. but i think that we would be incorrect to think that what we told us time and time again is that with donald trump, they hold him to a different standard. i remember in the republican primary after the south carolina debate, lot of people watched that and thought that he would be out of the race within days. he blamed 9/11 on george w. bush. it was really a calamitous performance. not only did he win south carolina, but he won that state running away. it was the end of jeb bush's candidacy. so these debate performances from donald trump are not always experienced by political veterans and political operatives like me see them. so i agree with chuck todd that it was surreal, but i think he probably connected on the question of trade. i think there are some people out there certainly in his base that appreciated his answers of law and order, but in the sum of the performance from each, she certainly looked more presidential. i'm just not sure that's the standard by which we're going to pick the next president. >> nicolle, i want to go to the preparation issue. you've been involved clear no one showed him a videotape of him on mute. because during the split screens, boy did -- i think if he had seen himself in reaction shots he might have changed his demeanor. >> you know, i sent a text to one of our colleagues when i first started seeing that shot and, you know, in these general election debates, every moment of your performance is televised and it was indecipherable from a "saturday night live" skit. his faces and grimaces. you know, again, i'm just --us going to hold that against him. they like that he's real. they like that he emotes. i agree with your assessment earlier, i don't think he pulled anyone new into his cause with tonight'sle wallae appreciate that. we're joined by david plouffe, veteran democratic strategist who won barack obama's campaigns back in 2008. also was on 2012. david, good evening to you. i guess the question is, we'll just let you have a freebie here. how do you think your candidate did? it was surreal. i mean, i think one person was prepared to be president. one person wasn't prepared. there was big moments. i mean, basically saying he was smart not to pay taxes, celebrated fact he took advantage of the housing crisis, lied about the iraq war and asking people to call sean hannity. maybe some of his supporters liked it. i'm sure they did. he's losing in the election. he needs to gain support. i don't think he did anything to do that. i think hillary clinton was strong, connected with a lot of undecided voters out there. >> david, don't you think trump scored points on this issue of trade and also the fact that hillary clinton had been at this for quite a long time? she talks about hue she wants to solve problems. she's had those opportunities and hasn't seized on them. did he score only points there? >> well, i don't think so. he tried to in the longevity. i appreciate what he was trying to do. but no one watching that debate in my view who's not a trump partisan think this is anybody who's got solutions to plans. unhinged and unmoored particularly as the debate went on. he talked about his temperament. anybody watching the end of the debate would raise questions. trade is an important debate. she did a good job of explaining how she approaches trade. again, i think somebody looking at this debate who's not sure if they're going to vote for trump or clinton, i don't think trump gave them anything. i think it was a pretty dominating performance. very lopsided if you ask me. i've been through a few of these. be t very lopsided win for hillary clinton. >> david plouffe who was, of course, on team clinton tonight, as a surrogate. thank you so much. by the way, we're going to talk to rudy giuliani on behalf of the trump campaign in a few moments. when we come back, our coverage continues. chuck todd has picked key moments from the debate. we're going to look at those and assess how the two campaigns are feeling after the showdown. we'll be right back ?? before it became a medicine, it was an idea. so scientists went to work. they examined 87 different protein structures and worked for 12 long years. there were thousands of patient volunteers and the hope of millions. and so after it became a medicine, someone who couldn't be cured, could be. me. we're back live at hofstra university. and the spin room is active. the spinners are spinning. the correspondents are there. katy tur who's covered the trump campaign from the beginning. katy, good evening, what are you hearing back there? >> the donald trump campaign wanted him to come out and be presidential, wanted unnecessarily. they were going for moderate republicans. they were going for women. those are the folks that they need to win over this election. to add to his base of support. to get him past that 40% mark. did he get those folks today? it does not seem like he is going to break ground with them. donald trump fell for a lot of hillary clinton's traps, if you will. he interrupted her repeatedly. he didn't act as presidential as the campaign had hoped he would earlier on. in all, though, savannah, we she during the primary season. not the presidential donald trump that the campaign was hoping for. >> all right. ta . >> let's go to andrea mitchell, the clinton campaign, what are the moments they hope will be remembered the most? >> certainly her comments about women. when donald trump said she didn't look presidential and then pivoted to her not that said that he had pivoted from stamina to -- from look to stamina and that anyone who had traveled around to 112 countries and sat through 11 hours of the benghazi hearings, countered him on the women issue and the way he talked about women, talked about the latina woman who was a beauty contestant in a guilty of racist behavior going back to when he began his business in 1973. i think she was on the defensive on trade, on jobs. the economic issues, even though she had a lot of facts on her side were not as compelling to the way he was reaching out to his base. but not adding to that base. >> all right, andrea. i will let you go back into the spin room as they spin around. >> hallie jackson is there, too. i'm sure you were looking at your iphone or blackberry at the conversation on social media, what are the moments that are really standing out? >> some activity here, savannah, before we get to those moments. donald trump, his campaign manager kellyanne conway coming in the spin room right now. i'm going to keep an ear on them and talk to you. mr. trump, we're live on nbc network. you're seeing the trump campaign wishing they had had more about benghazi, about her e-mails. mr. trump, we're live on nbc right now. mr. trump. let's listen in, savannah, right now. >> and my you admitted you hadn't paid federal taxes and that that was smart. is that what you meant to say? >> i didn't say that at all. if they say i didn't, it doesn't matter. i will say this. i hate the way our government spends our taxes. because they are wasting our money. they don't know what they're doing. they're running it so poorly. whether it's spent in iraq or wherever they're spending it, they are wasting our money. so i do hate the way our government spends our money. >> mr. trump, that birther moment got a >> say what you said -- >> why don't you speak to wolf blitzer because i got to see that on wolf blitzer. >> in terms of just, she was explaining what happened because she was there. >> why don't you see -- >> you said when she fired a volunteer for was in trafficking in saying that he was a muslim, not about birtherism. >> why don't you do this? why don't you see the reporter from mcclatchy, speak to sydney blumenthal because he's never going to tell you the truth. takeui blitzer. >> do you apologize for the birther pass? >> i got him to put up his birth certificate. hillary clinton failed because she can't bring it home. she'll fail with jobs and fail all the way along the line. i think we proved that tonight. she failed with getting him to do it. i got limb to do. i'm proud of that. >> will you accept the outcome of this election, mr. trump? >> say it? >> will you accept the outcome of the election? >> absolutely i will. >> all right. savannah, that was a the spin room. his campaign manager kellyanne conway behind him. trump talking a bit about some of the moments tonight particularly the birther moment. republican operatives texting me tonight, one calling it devastating. we will see how this plays out with the crucial undecided voters. savannah? >> hallie jackson, thank you so much. who needs surrogates when you have the candidate, himself? chuck, you mentioned tonight was surreal. have you ever seen a presidential candidate actually go into the spinroom and do this ow spin? creature of the media. name drops members of the media, whether sean hannity, wolf blitzer. there was a few networks left out. i mean, my gosh, he does do that. can we just -- there was a big loser tonight. i think it was the american public for this reason. they spent almost, i would say, 75 minutes talking about themselves. talking about defending themselves or going after each other. i have to say this wasn't -- early on we got a little bit of back and forth on trade and i thought -- there were times where i have a feeling there is going to be this frustration from voters about the lack of substance. >> by the way, we've already seen that frustration. people are fairly frustrated. >> i thought you saw a frustrated donald trump. he didn't stop and say, i had a great evening, did you see what she did? he kept on trucking. he was doing a do-over on trade and on the deficit because he didn't think he probably put that one away when he was on the stage. it's hard to know. both of them came tonight trying to attract voters that are still sitting out there in the middle. they needed to get them to their side. it's always a guess, but my guess is that he held on to his constituency, i don't think he brought a lot of people across the line tonight because this as i said earlier, we're going from spring training now into the season. people are looking who's going to be the president and is that the president that i want? and the country is deciding, we'll know and that about does it for our coverage this evening. chuck, in about 20 seconds, what's your final thought, your verdict on this? >> we'll know how the candidates feel tomorrow morning. how pugilistic are either side? the more aggressive candidate tomorrow morning is the one who always. chuck and tom, great to have you with us. by way, the next debate takes place october 4th between vice presidential candidates tim kaine and mike pence. coverage of tonight's debate continues right now on msnbc. we will have full coverage first thing in the morning on "today," later on "nightly news with lester holt." chuck todd, tom brokaw and our entire nbc news team, i'm savannah guthrie. we're glad you were with us tonight. have a great evening. we'll see you tomorrow morning. . w?: ? it's a new dawn ? ? it's a new day ? ? it's a new life for me ? miley: i was very nervous at first to be in the chair. i was more nervous about pushing the button. [ cheering ] you don't really know what to expect when you turn around. yes! wow. ? and i'm feeling goo-o-o-o-d ? all possibilities up. yeah! daly: with the debut of alicia keys and miley cyrus... i love you. daly: ..."the voice" returned bigger and better than ever. you are the future of music. oh, my god. and you have just got to pick miley. let's go get 'em! daly: our new coaches wasted no time getting down to business. [ laughter ] -i pick alicia. -yeah! alicia: i have five artists on my team, and it's time for me to be very selective. it's hard because i don't know what else is gonna come. i only have four people on my team, so i have some space open. i just want to hear a voice that knocks me out. i pick adam. daly: but our veteran coaches showed they are still a force to be reckoned with. hey! adam: i have four very electrifying people, so i'm looking for more inspiration. [ laughs ] i want to be blown away. -i pick blake. -whoo! blake: i have five artists on my team. but miley and alicia have adam and i backed on our heels. but i know how to counteract, so you just wait and see what i got up my sleeve. the greatest and most surprising season of "the voice" continues. -you turned. -yeah! thank you for being different. what makes you be the reason to talk? i'm feeling something. did you pee in your pants? i know what music that feels good should sound like. -welcome to the best team ever. -oh, man, that's the new thing. people that stay true to who they are will get you so far. -yeah! -yeah. i actually love the fact that there are two girls this season... -yes! -whoo! whoo! whoo! [ laughter ] daly: it all starts right now! i'm gonna forget today that we've even heard anybody. i'm gonna pretend like this is the first person i'm gonna get on my team. so that if i feel like it's amazing, i'm just gonna push. i'm not gonna think about it. all you need is one. -you need -- you need a gem. but here's one thing. what do you think -- is there something you're missing? no. maybe somebody that could possibly make it to the finale, that'd be good for your team. [ laughs ] oh! huh! let's meet our first artist of the night. my name is bindi liebowitz. i'm 23 years old, and i'm from plainfield, new jersey. my parents separated when i was about 1, but they have a great relationship. it was just one of those things where they were better off as friends. my mom actually has a really great singing voice, and so does my dad, but they like to say they can sing, and i can "sang." when i was little, i was always in a school choir, and then when i was in high school, i joined the gospel choir i went to keystone college in pennsylvania, and in my first week, i founded their first choir, and it's still there, so i'm really proud of that. when i was in college, my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer. she had to have a double mastectomy, and then she had to do chemo. it was heartbreaking. i'm sorry. i went into a state of depression. i wasn't singing. i wasn't going to class. she didn't think that she should sing around the house. and i believe that it helped me get better. thank you. thank you. how do you feel, good? i have been cancer free for almost two years, so just had my last surgeries and everything. god bless you. that's wonderful. what did you think when she came to you and said she was interested in really taking music and singing so serious? as long as she continued finishing school and going through school, i was okay with it. it's not always like this. there's not always, you know, a parent that's supportive at all. yeah. what does your mom support mean to you? she encourages me to follow my dream. i need "the voice" because i gig 10 shows a month, and i work seven days a week, two different jobs, barely making a paycheck, and there's a lot of stress in trying to balance the two. it would be everything to me to work with one of these coaches. this show gives you an opportunity that you just aren't handed. if i could turn a chair today, it would change everything. this performance is for me and my mother. all right, here we go. ?? ? i bust the windows out your car ? ? and, no, it didn't mend my broken heart ? ? i'll probably always have these ugly scars ? ? but right now i don't care about that part ? ? i bust the windows out your car ? ? i didn't wanna but i took my turn ? ? i'm glad i did it 'cause you had to learn ? ? ooooh, oh ? ? i must admit it helped a little bit ? ? to think of how you'd feel when you saw it ? ? you'll probably say that it was juvenile ? did he turn? yes, you're good, you're good, you're good. ? and it don't compare to my broken heart ? ? you could never feel how i felt that day ? ? until it happens, baby, you don't know pain ? ? i bust the windows out your car ? [ cheers and applause ] no! no! thank you. -blake and adam. -oh, my god! i can already tell, i like her. i like her a lot. no! no, no! i like her a lot! [ stammers ] [ laughter ] i love her. [ stammers ] [ laughter ] what's your name? bindi liebowitz. -ooh. bindi. -bindi. -i love that name. -thank you, thank you. all right, listen. why are we standing up? i'm standing up 'cause i -- i'm feeling something. [ laughter ] did you pee in your pants or something, or what do you mean, feeling something? bindi, stay with me. i'm not letting this go there. it's too important. okay. f." i was two seconds out, and that happened! [ laughter ] what i loved about you was your choices. you made -- you made some amazing choi-- i can't believe you. no, i-i wanted to turn around. you know you regret this. she screwed the pooch. that's -- stop it. it has been an hour since she sang. can i say something now? [ laughter ] bindi. please, can i talk to bindi? i -- literally, i-i love you. -i love you, too. -i need you. she felt weird about saying "love" on the first date. -hi, bindi. -hi, blake. i am clearly the odd man out here. i'm manly enough to handle it. [ mockingly ] i'm manly enough to handle it. when you sing, you have all of these different influences, these things that are ear candy to somebody like me. and by the way, i don't have anybody else like you on my team, and if i got you on my team, i would love to protect you for a long time, bindi. same amount of time. [ laughter ] and interestingly enough, he hasn't won this as many times. [ cheers and applause ] do you know how bad i want to -- i won this show with southern rockers. oh, my god. i have won this show with country artists. i have won this show with pop singers and with an r&b guy. it has nothing to do with the fact that i'm a country artist. that's what i do when i walk onstage. i'm a coach when i'm on this show. i want to work with you, bindi. i love you. there's nothing i want more than to even the score. you really want to be with a guy like that who has nothing to prove? dang. you want to be with the champ? i mean, why would you want to do that? just hang out one second. i love your attitude and your energy. it's all coming through. -thank you so much. who do you pick as your coach? [ dramatic music plays ] [ audience shouting ] ! -i pick adam. -yes! ? got the eye of the tiger ? wow. ? a fighter ? ? dancing through the fire ? bindi: i chose adam because he comes from a background that combines different genres, and i would like to go forward combining genres. we could really do something with that. alicia: bindi was fantastic, but i really am trying to understand, what do i have already, and what do i -- what do i want to fill it with now? -wave goodbye. bye. -bye. blake: i think bindi is a really unique singer. i was pretty sad she didn't choose me as her coach. every chance the guy gets, he cuts me down. ? you're gonna hear me roar ? you just wait and see what i got up my sleeve for adam. it's an arm. ? i got the eye of the tiger ? this is my mother. -oh, congrats. -thank you. she's special. [ laughter ] -whoo! -thank you so much. there you go. congratulations. you got a great singer, and you beat blake, all in one. [ laughs ] that's my day. ? every day ? daly: ...epic performances... ? ay como me duele ? what?! whoa! thank you for being different. daly: ...that leave our coaches blown away. look how powerful you are. you built a bridge between us, man. that's never happened. -oh, my god. -[ laughs ] look at him on his toe. 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[ voice breaking ] i'm sorry. at first, it wasn't easy, but it was who he was. it's the way he felt, and so, you know, i'm just gonna love him, no matter what. my fianc?, tyson, and i have been together for 2 1/2 years. tyson: my favorite thing about zack would be and no matter what's going on during the day, whether it's the worst day or the best day, he'll make it the best day. i'm just so thankful to have him as part of my life, so... back home, there's not a lot of ways to get recognition with music. this will definitely be the biggest stage i've ever been on. i need "the voice" today because... it's gonna make my dreams come true. ? what did you think ? ? i would do at this moment? ? ? when you stand here before me ? ? with tears in your eyes ? ? trying to tell me ? ? that you found another ? ? did you think i could hate you ? ? or raise my hands to you? ? -come on, miley. -they're just listening. -come on. -come on, coaches. ? i never hurt you, oh ? ? if you stay ? ? i'd subtract 20 years from my life ? ? i'd fall down on my knees ? ? kiss the ground that you walk on, baby ? ? if i could just hold you ? -come on, blake! -come on! ? yeah ? [ applause ] -oh! -man. ?? -what's your name, dude? -my name's zack hicks. zack, personally a-as a singer, i always commend anyone that's able to fill the room with a vocal and i kind of wanted to feel a little more urgency from you in there. i was waiting for that big, crazy moment where we were all, like, "ahh!" and we just had to do it. but i feel like it was really, really, really, really close. thank you. what kind of music would you want to do? 'cause i feel like maybe that wasn't the right style. i'm usually country, like, country soul. oh, damn it. i wish you would have come out and done some country soul... yeah. ...'cause i feel like it maybe would have been better for that -- for that kind of voice. exactly, exactly. alicia: one thing that i would suggest, try to sing the song purposefully without vibrato. , then when you start adding back in the vibrato, it'll be sweet and special. so, that's just a cool exercise to vary it. -thank you. thank you. -if country soul's your thing, maybe a chris stapleton, maybe a ronnie milsap to give me a heads up. -yeah. that's the lane that he's in. i can see where he's going, but i feel like that was a little bit of a departure just based on what you said, so keep that in mind hopefully if you come back and audition for us. and they said a lot of positive things. hopefully, i'll be able to come back and show 'em what i got next time. hope to see you again, zack. good luck. blake: zack needs to come back and try out again. the song that he chose to perform took him away from what he ultimately wants to do, which is country music. never forget that, when people are up there, blinds are scary. -i'm scared. -i was scared. i'm glad, now i feel better, but it was scary in the beginning. this game is tricky. daly: coming up... how do you pronounce your name? el-ia. el-ia. e-lia. it's elia, you guys. they can't even say your name. you have to pick me. elia, elia, elia. 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[ laughs ] we're always dancing. we're always singing. . mwah. elia was never shy. there's some families here, and their kids are well-behaved. elia will be all over the place at that age. that's why we waited eight years to have another child because we just couldn't handle it. elia: growing up, i just always performed, and then once i got to high school, i was full theater, full choir, and i was just so involved because i knew that's where my lane is. ?? after high school, i moved to new york, with like 75 cents in my bank account and thinking, "how am i gonna make this work?" to make ends meet, i work as an entertainer at kids' birthday parties. what's up, boys and girls? my name's bubbles, and this is my best friend, bobo! it's insane how many parties we do. i get to dress up as a princess or a fairy or red riding hood. i'm the ultimate entertainer. just hold onto that, okay? okay. [ laughter ] where did it go? lately, i've been performing about twice a month. it is not easy to make a living as an artist in new york city. for my blind audition, i'll be singing "como la flor" by selena. i'll be singing solely in spanish, and i know it's a risk, but i think it'll catch the coaches' ear. i've never had a chance like this. my whole life could be 180. whoa! ? yo s? que tienes un nuevo amor ? ? sin embargo, te deseo lo mejor ? ? si en m?, no encontraste felicidad ? ? tal vez, alguien m?s te la dar? ? ? me diste t? ? [ cheers and applause ] ? se marchit? ? ? me marcho hoy ? [ cheering ] ? yo s? perder pero ? thank you, thank you, thank you. that's all you need. ? ay c?mo me duele ? ? como la flor ? ? con tanto amor ? ? me diste t? ? ? se marchit? ? ? yo s? perder ? go ahead. ? ay como me duele ? go! come on! ? ay como me duele ? [ cheers and applause ] yeah! oh, my. thank you for being different. -beautiful voice. -what's your name? elia esparza. -go ahead, elia. -elia esparza. [ laughs ] -elia! -where you from? -i'm from el paso, texas. -whoo! listen, i understood every word. [ laughter ] when you do a song like that, we don't know necessarily what -- what you want to do, so what do you want to do? -i want to do pop music... -yeah. ...in english and spanish. well, i love that you can do both. i mean, that -- that's a great thing for the show. -thank you. -you have a good voice. , but you did something that was very refreshing. i think that should be rewarded. [ applause ] thank you. i want to say your name right. el-ia or e-lia? -el-ia. -el-ia. i use my button like i use my radio in my truck, and if i hear something i like, i crank it up. turn it up. i may not seem like the right pairing, but i don't think it always matters what your coach does. what i do is just try to make you stand out above the competition. -thank you, blake. -you're right, blake. you did something completely new. people that stay true to who they are, that will get you so far. -that's right. -yeah. -thank you. -how do you pronounce your name? -elia. -it's elia, you guys. elia. they can't even say your name. you have to pick me. elia, elia, elia. [ laughter ] they can't say your name, and that should be acceptable. i don't -- i don't even know where i am right now. [ laughter ] elia, who do you pick as your coach? [ dramatic music plays ] [ audience shouting ] come home! i love you, blake. i love you, miley. -ahh! -i pick adam. what?! ? bang, bang, into the room ? ? i know you want it ? ? bang, bang, all over you ? i kind of had a feeling that she wasn't gonna choose me, but i dang sure didn't see her choosing adam. once adam turned around, i was, like, "oh, my goodness." and then blake, and i love miley. like, i'm just overwhelmed. this is amazing. [ speaking spanish ] you went with adam. he was the first to turn around, and he really works with the artist and really listens for something specific. -congratulations. -thank you so much. thank you. -see you in the battle rounds. -yes, thank you. elia was great. my team is kind of filling up very quickly, and so i need to, you know, pause and kind of just assess what it is that i'm missing and what it is that i need. good work, adam. he's coming alive. you starting to feel bad for me, alicia? no way in the world. [ laughs ] hopes to impress our coaches. will you just scream one time like you were doing? ? yeah-hoo ? yeah! 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[ zydeco music plays ] my uncle is roddie romero, and he's grammy-nominated for cajun and zydeco music. growing up, i would go to all of his shows. 2010. the first thing i did was go to work for my dad's business. one of the main reasons is that i get to make my schedule and be able to take off when i need to play music. we've been finishing cabinets together for 15 years now. we do paintwork on cabinetry, so we start prepping, we start tearing down. at the end, we got a nice, finished product we can definitely be proud of. it's great that i'm able to work with family since he was about 2, lane was mr. cool. i'm very proud of him as a father and a musician. i just love him. [ laughs ] both: ? walking down the street to the barbershop ? lane: i've been playing live music, writing songs since early high school. my wife, mekail, and i, we've been together for over 10 years now. she's extremely supportive. has definitely changed my life. anything that i'm doing, i like to put 100% of myself into, and it's not just for me anymore. you know, it's for my kids. and i want them to be able to see that, you know, anything they want to do, it can be achieved. [ laughs ] hey, buddy. "the voice" has always resonated with me because it's exactly about that. it's about your voice. this is a dream that i've had, so to be able to showcase my talent, it means everything. look, there he is. you see him on tv? [ levi babbles ] ?? ? every day ? ? every day i have the blues ? ? every day ? you i'd hate to lose ? ? nobody loves me ? ? nobody seems to care ? ? ahh ? ? nobody loves me ? ? nobody seems to care ? ? said worries and struggles, baby ? ? well, you know i had my share ? ? every day ? ? every day ? ? every day ? ? every day, i have the blues ? ? ho! ? high five! give me a high five! yes! ? when you see me worried, baby ? ? and it's you i'd hate to lose ? congratulations. ? every day ? ? every day i have the blues ? ? hey ? ? when you see me worried, baby ? ? and it's you i'd hate to lose ? h me. i'm your coach. yay, daddy! -how you doing? -yes, i love you! -i know. -that's fantastic. -good. -stoked. i got him. yes! -what is your name? -lane mack. welcome to the best team ever. -you're right about that. -you got on the denim. i'll glue on flowers to your shirt and everything. -almost a canadian tuxedo. -come on. he's got it on. i've been giving him a hard time. will you do me a favor? will you just scream one time like you were doing? ? yeah-hoo ? yeah! [ applause ] yeah, man. that was awesome. miley: the reason i chose you is i feel like you and i might have a similar taste in music. when you started screaming, i was picturing jeff buckley when he's doing, like, the live sessions. -yes. -lane, how good was your day? you got picked by miley, and she has a team full of girls. -i know. -yeah. it doesn't get better than that, but i'm married! d to work with you. -i'm so pumped. -come on! -that's nice. -yeah. my girl. [ cheers and applause ] miley: nice to meet you. thank you so much. lane -- he had a very buckley tone to me, and i would love to see some of that on this show. and i think he'll do a great job. yeah. -that's a great voice. all it takes is one, right, and it was the one that i wanted. i am so pumped to be on team miley. i mean, what are you waiting on? i don't -- what do you think you're gonna hear? i don't know. [ laughs ] daly: next, miley makes it tough for blake to get a word in. you're, like, nervous to me. blake, you can go for it. okay. i-i feel good on this one. i could break you out of that shyness. -not shy. -definitely not. she's the person that will teach you that you'll never have to speak again. alicia: oh. the chase freedom unlimited card earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you buy. that's 1.5% cash back on whatever these billboards are selling. what are they selling? the products not so subtly placed in this movie - the cash back is unlimited and you can spend it on anything. like, whatever the next ad is selling. get the chase freedom unlimited card. ugh, celebrity endorsements are the worst. oh hello, you caught me working on my leather crafting. carmax offers a 5-day money-back guarantee on all their cars. the guarantee is set in stone, but i also thought it might look good in leather. as all things do, including me. . ? this is "the voice" ? daly: welcome back to the blind auditions. karlee: i am karlee metzger. i am 22 years old, and i am currently living in springfield, missouri. growing up, we moved around a lot because of my dad's job. it was harder to make friendships. there were a few times in middle school and high school where i was teased for my weight, and it made me really insecure. music was always kind of my escape. i sang at every sporting event. i sang at every school talent show. after graduating high school, i enrolled at northern michigan university, and in michigan, there aren't very many opportunities. so, i post a lot of videos on youtube. and i was able to see my potential, and that it wasn't just a hobby. it was something that i wanted to make a living on. i feel like this show, it's given me an amazing opportunity to show people that i can do this. this would open so many doors for her. it would change everything. whatever makes her happy. [ laughter ] coming from a town where i don't have any options, this is incredible. singing in front of four of the biggest names in music is just a crazy experience in itself. "the voice" is the only show that can allow me to get my voice out there o be heard. -there she is. -there she is. ?? ? you are my sweetest downfall ? ? i loved you first ? ? i loved you first ? ? beneath the sheets of paper ? ? i have to go ? ? i have to go ? ? your hair was long ? ? when we first met ? [ cheers and applause ] ? samson came to my bed ? ? he told me that my hair was red ? ? oh, i cut his hair myself one night ? ? a pair of dull scissors in the yellow light ? ? he told me that i had done all right ? ? and he kissed me till the morning light ? ? the morning light ? ? and he kissed me till the morning light ? ? you are my sweetest downfall ? blake. are you going? ? i loved you first ? go. [ cheers and applause ] -oh, yes! -just at the last second. -whoo! -was right in there. ?? hey, darling, what's your name? i'm karlee metzger. i loved the fact that it was really vulnerable, but then humongously powerful. the contrast of that is really interesting. -thank you. -i love that song. you executed so well, and actually, you seem like even maybe a little shy. you're, like, nervous to me, and i think i could break you out of that shyness. -not shy. -definitely not, and i -- no, she's the person that will teach you that you'll never have to speak again. i'll speak for you, so it's perfect. the quieter you are, the better i am and spoke for them. blake, you can go for it. i-i feel good on this one. i feel like you and i have a connection. -thank you, miley. -i'd love to work with you. -hi, karlee. -hi, blake. [ laughs ] , missouri. that's the home of bass pro shops, by the way. -yes, it is. -don't get her with the, like -- and the little -- the little farm team for the cardinals, too, they're there, right? -oh. -yeah. -i know nothing about that, but i can beflower your outfit or anything you need like that. [ laughter ] there's a lot of different elements to your voice. the parts that i was hesitant about pushing my button on was a couple of the falsetto notes kind of got away from you a little bit. they went nuts every time you did one of those. you did a bend. sometimes bends are controversial with us coaches. it's, like, why are you doing that? but yours are quick enough that it made us realize you're doing that as a little flavor to the performance, and not just a trick to get to the note, you know? and i think if i could help you in anything, i'd like to work on where you could use those tricks. 'cause i have that, too, where i -- i always fall back on these little yodel-y things or riffs. i'd love to help you find those places where you can freestyle and make them your own without it being too much. i love the song choice. that is obviously something that resonated with you, and that really came through. -thank you. i felt that. thank you. [ applause ] -karlee. -yes. who do you pick as your coach? who is she gonna pick? she's loved blake forever. [ audience shouting ] come on, karlee! come home, karlee! -um, i pick... ...miley. [ laughs ] -yes! [ cheers and applause ] -thank you! -you did that. no, i didn't. meet your almost coach. blake: karlee definitely has great instinct when it comes to hitting big notes. the only thing that she did wrong, she chose miley as her coach. man, this has been a tough night azy right now. i'll see you soon. karlee: i love miley 'cause she's just so fun and carefree. i do think she'll help me get out of my shell a little bit. you tried, alicia. you tried. miley: i love going against blake. they make fun of me for talking so fast, but i feel like people can feel my enthusiasm. sometimes there's just no helping me. -what did i do, blake? -you stayed out of it. i don't appreciate that. i need you to help me. i'm sorry. -there she is. -yay. ? told me that i'd done all right ? daly: you can buy full versions of tonight's blind audition songs on itunes... ? and it's you i'd hate to lose ? daly: ...or listen to them on apple music. ? yeah-whoo-hoo-hoo ? daly: coming up... you turned! ...alicia finds the artist she's been waiting for... i know what music that feels good should sound like. daly: ...but blake calls in unlikely backup. what makes you be the reason to talk? thank you, adam. ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ma'am? own your everyday runway. now that's the good stuff. kohl's. hello. hi. welcome. this is the chevy malibu. it was awarded "most dependable midsize car" by j.d. power. it looks great. wow! what is happening? oh my gosh, it's going up! but the malibu's not the only vehicle that was awarded. this is mind blowing. the chevy camaro, equinox, and silverado hd this is extremely impressive. there's so many! doing it once, yea, great job, four times, obviously, they're doing something right. absolutely i am here for your heads! 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[ male announcer ] you're not you when you're hungry?. ? ? power, power to the lord ? ? power, power to the lord ? ? . ? this is "the voice" ? daly: welcome back to the blind auditions. so far tonight, adam scored blues artist bindi liebowitz and pop vocalist elia esparza. yes! daly: miley scored blues rock artist lane mack and indie pop artist karlee metzger. while blake and alicia ?? josh: i'm josh. i'm 31 from west, texas. this is my wife, rexana, and my son, thunderbird. we came up with the name thunderbird because it's a powerful symbol in the native american culture. my mom, she's a sioux indian. she tried to instill that into our lives a lot. my dad had me on ranches, working cattle since i was 12 years old. it's a tough job. never was really into the cattle business. he was always more artistic. josh: i started playing the piano when i was 5 years old. i started the guitar and wrote my first song when i was 21. traveling around texas as a songwriter, it's hard to find gigs that pay money to support my family. rexana: josh, he's a great husband, a great father. i'm just really proud that he's able to share his music. can you say "adam"? "the voice" will give me the opportunity to do what i'm supposed to do and play music. i'm so thankful that i get to play for the coaches and express my heart to them and to the rest of the world. this song, it's a testament to my son... -here we go. -there's daddy. josh: ...that he may always be forever young. -daddy josh. -dada. ? may your wishes all come true ? ? may you stay ? ? mm, mm ? ? forever young ? he's got a good voice. ? may you grow up to be righteous ? ? may you grow up to be true ? ? may you always be courageous ? ? stand upright and be strong ? ? may you stay ? -come on! -come on! please! ? won't you stay forever young? ? ? forever young ? ? may you stay ? ? forever young ? -yeah! -[ screams ] you turned! you turned! you got it. you got it. you got it. you got it. he did it. i'm josh halverson. josh, you're a badass, you look cool, and i'm stupid. [ applause ] i really do truly believe that everything happens for a reason. i just felt so wrapped up in what you were singing, and now turn around and seeing you, i love listening to your voice. i love for you to play guitar, and me to sit there and sing with you and us to figure out a way we can do something together and what else you can do on the show. i would love to work with you. [ applause ] i don't want to let you go, for sure. thank you. and when did you start playing, how you started falling in love with music. i grew up in texas on ranches my whole life. my dad was in the cattle business, but i'd really like this opportunity to provide a good life for my family and be able to do what i love to do, which is music. -that's right. miley: yeah. that's right. i turned around because your voice is striking. i know what music that feels good should sound like, i think that it would make something that would be really powerful, so i'd love to be your coach. yes, ma'am, thank you. blake: hey, josh. you guys are in the -- the ranching business. do y'all run yearlings, or is it a -- yeah, yearlings, all the way up to full-grown and also day-olds. wow, this is getting, like, more country than country. i know. i know where the guy comes from. i don't know, i just felt, like, some sort of kinship to this voice that i'm hearing behind me. and then turn around and see you and hear your story. -yes, sir. thank you so much. -all that cattle talk. i had no idea what you were talking about. that's what i'm trying to get away from, though, that cattle talk. -that's what i'm saying! well, good, then come over to my side. [ laughter ] -that's what i'm trying to say. -i'm a vegetarian! let's move away! i'm as far away from cattle as you can go. let's go away! technically, alicia knows the least about cattle probably for these three. yeah, we don't have to talk about cattle or anything. [ laughs ] let's just get lost in good music. god, it's hard to say, but i think -- well, why are you saying it? 'cause i do -- because you know why? why you can't just let him -- 'cause in my heart -- in my heart, i actually believe -- what makes you be the reason to talk? [ laughter ] like, i'm not sure -- [ applause ] i really do believe that blake would be an amazing coach for you, i really do. thank you, adam. thank you. i never say that. in fact, i may have never said that in my life. -look how powerful you are. -[ laughs ] you built a bridge between us, man. that's never happened. -aww. you must have done some moving stuff. look at him on his toe. [ laughter ] -it's all about the love. -oh, my god. -all right, can i say it? -i want my man, josh. it's time for you to decide, who do you pick as your coach, josh? music for me is all about feeling and spreading the truth. uh-oh. and so the coach that i would like to be with is, um... whoo! whoo, whoo, whoo! [ cheers and applause ] ? i want to get high, yeah ? ? feel my heart beating out my chest ? alicia: i was just holding out, being picky, but it was pretty much undeniable. he was like a real artist. honestly, i totally didn't expect josh to pick me, and i was very excited. -you tried. -i did try. i thought that cattle talk had him. that's your mistake. even with adam's endorsement, josh didn't pick me. just stay out of it. ? when i see your face ? [ cheers and applause ] wow! i did it! -congratulations. -daddy! mwah! mwah! why'd you pick alicia? she's been a major influence in my musical career from the beginning. -you're perfect for her team. -cool. thank you so much, carson. congratulations, brother. all right. blake was, like, talking about cattle. he's, like, "i'm trying not to talk about that." right now on 12 news. >> we don't have the money >> and maybe because you have not paid federal income tax for years. >> i will bring back jobs. you can't bring back jobs. >> actually i have thought about this for quite a bit. >> for 30 years. >> not quite that long. >> reporter: what does their body language say and do brain scan determine which candidate to choose? >> valley woman and her dog. and only on 12 news, the new apps that let your kids talk to each other without you knowing about it. monday night quarterback. the team leader. not sure his roster is on the same page. and arizona grocery store is relaxing check out rules.

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