Mark boal coming up. 19th, nationwide on friday january 11th. An extraordinary movie. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Good evening. Tonight i can roar to the American People and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama Bin Laden, the leader of alqaeda. And a terrorist who is responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women and children. For over two decades, bin laden has been alqaedas leader and symbol, and continued plot attacks against our countries, friends and allies. The death of bin laden signifies the most significant achievement to date in our effort counterterrorisms professionals to work tire loalsly to achieve this outcome. The American People do not see their work nor know their names but tonight they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice. Rose that was president obama in may announcing the killing of americas most wanted terrorist. A new film about to be released by the oscar winning director Kathryn Bigelow and screen writer mark boal examines the tenyear hunt for bin laden. It is called zero dark thirty, and here is the latest trailer. Can i be honest with you . I have bad news. Im not your friend, im not going to help you. Im going to break you. Do you have any questions . I want to make something absolutely clear. If you saw someone coming to rescue i want you to know that youre wrong. This isnt, theres nobody else, theres just us. We are failing. You really believe this story, Osama Bin Laden . Yeah. What convinced you. Her confidence. If youre right, the whole worlds going to want in on this. You will never find him. It is one of the few moments rose this is movie journalism that snaps and stains and par fi the decades clamor and clutter into narrative clarity with a sale tree kick. Joining me is scribe writer mark boal and director of zero dark thirty Kathryn Bigelowing im very please to do have them back at this table, welcome. Thank you. Rose i dont know where to start. Let me start with the idea of bin laden and his, and the search to find him. When did that get inside your brain so that you thought maybe maybe. Sometime, i dont remember exactly when. Rose it was before hurt locker was it not. It was around then, and after hurt locker was finished we were talking about what the next picture might be. With a decided to focus on the attempt to kill bin laden in from the editors of cooks illustrated magazine, its torabora in 2001 when special forces more or less had him in americas test kitchen with your host christopher kimball, one square mile box. And the peas of the world were featuring test kitchen chefs on him eyes of the world were julia collin davison, bridget lancaster, becky hays, with on him and it was fresh in everybodys mind. We were working on that film for adam ried in the equipment corner and jack bishop in the a number of years researching it, writing it and we were tasting lab. Pretty close to actually make it discover the secrets of americas foremost food testers a couple months away. Rose it was about and tasters, today on americas test kitchen. Torabora. A subject i pursued on this program many times. Its one of the great today on americas test military stories of our time. Kitchen, julia shows chris how rose had him in your to make a moroccanstyle chicken sight and he slips away. Tagine at home, th and the story of u. S. Special forces working with local afghan warriors in the culture clash there. So that was the idea. And then things changed. Rose things changed meaning what happened. But take back before the fact. You were working on the movie before the may operation. Yes. We were, i was actually casting, i was auditioning actors. We had a scout in kazakhstan and we had a trip in order to see the area in which i would be replicating in kazakhstan and history intervened. Rose what intrigued you about this story. Why is it so intriguing of all the options you had coming off the Great Success of hurt locker . Well i think both of us thought this was potentially certainly a fascinating story. Maybe the worlds greatest man hunt. And no question perhaps the worlds most dangerous man. Rose pretty good element. Pretty good element. Rose and intense interest in this from around the world. Exactly. But i think we were both curious just as americans or as citizens, what have you, what was going on there, why did it take so long, we were they doing. You have america the most powerful nation on the planet and you have this guy and ten years to try to unpack that and take people behind the scene and show them what it would be to be an intel officer, what it would be like tracking him and to bring that hunt to life and how they did it. Rose so the questions come up before, how much cooperation from the c. I. A. Dod from the whitehouse, a. And did it affect at all the release date . Well the release date was generated by the production schedule. I only finished the movie id say about 10, 12 days ago. Rose right. So we couldnt have release this movie any earlier than we are releasing it now. Rose [indiscernible] it helps, it definitely helps but mark was reporting the story and he was the one communicating with various sources. And really kind of getting inside that community in order to tell this story as faithfully as we could. Rose what did you know, both of you, but what did you know before may that you were working on . What kind of story were you doing. I was completely focused on toraboa. Rose really. Do you know why he got away from torabora. Can we make that movie. I can show you in the movie. Rose can you make that movie now . I dont know. Rose you worked on it, you got the elements there. Just like in story how they got them. Theres no one piece of the intelligence puzzle. Its a constellation, its a lot of different thing coming together. Rose ive always been interested in that because all the people who sort of around that story have come here to this table. So how did you go about building on the announcement that the president made that night all of us, that sunday night waited for him to say what he said. So what do you do then . Because this is not a story that anybody inside at that time was talking about. Well, thats not exactly right. Rose i know i know its not exactly right. They were on tv pretty quickly giving a talk. And considering that it was a pretty recent special forces mission, there was a lot of discussion about it in washington and details were coming out all over the place. But the intelligence hunt was, took a little longer to report out. Rose is what came out from brennan and what we now know, is it different . Its been, its been, its been clarified over time. Rose when he was shot, that kind of thing. The details of the raid have come into better focus. Rose how do you explain that variance. I dont think theres any great mystery to it. Rose is it the fog of war or something else. 20 odd guys and they all have slightly different recollections and informations being passed up the food chain very quickly and you know, its pretty remarkable. I mean theyre being debriefed probably within minutes, you know, and then as soon as they land, im sure theyre being debriefed and people then passing that information along. It doesnt seem that extraordinary to me. But i will tell you that we were, i thought that there was going to be a 40minute fire fight in this movie. And we were actually, because rose extraordinary 20 minutes. Yes. Probably that was first information out from the assault. The first description. Rose is that, would you say youre made to make that kind of movie, the last 40 minutes, to capture the essence of that 40 minutes. That somehow when it comes to action, you par. Extraordinary. Well thank you very very much. That was a very logistically challenging sequence to shoot, but fascinating. I mean obviously. Rose why fascinating. Why fascinating. Because just learning about the methodology how the special forces operate. For instance you know the way they move, theres a kind of methodical nature to the way they move, very careful, very considered. And having to shoot in a quote unquote low light condition because it was meant to be a moonless night. So we were shooting, we decided, we opted for a digital format in order to do that. We also used real night vision lenses that we put on to the lens themselves. So then we had to go into of no light conditions so that those lenses would operate, they would operate, you know, to the best of their ability. So that was basically we had to figure out all the logistics, all the choreography. We built that compound from the ground up, and it had to be built with a really pretty serious foundation because of the black helicopters and the roto wash would have taken apart any normal lets say movie set tore taking that down. There were a lot of physical elements before we broke down. Rose what sound me was how many doors they had to blow up to get to him. You had some sense there was a compound yes but they would walk in and therefore they would be there and go get him. It wasnt like that at all. No not at all. Rose and these guys trained every aspect. I think some of thats been overstated. Rose the training. I think some rehearsals but most of the training to my understanding had to do with the fact that these helicopters wee fairly experimental at the time and werent used in combat mission at all. There was a lot of questions about the avionics in which we saw in the aftermath one of the helicopters actually crashed. So it was from a military perspective getting the guys to and from was one of the most unusual parts because they operate using technology that hasnt really been used before. Rose i should set this up for the audience at home who hasnt obviously seen the movie. This is a story how they would lead him to pakistan and a story about how they made a decision to go in and either capture or kill Osama Bin Laden. Theres are two different stories. And theres the story. Theres a third story when they go in and actually do it. Two for the price of one. Rose talk about the c. I. A. Aspect of this. How long did it take them to get on the trail that would lead them somewhere . Because we know that after 9 11 i mean they were all kinds of things going on with American National security people to get somebody to give some information as to where Osama Bin Laden was, to get their hands on Osama Bin Laden. Well, i mean my humble opinion, mark did an extraordinary job of reporting this and then out of the reporting turning this into an incredibly dramatic screen play. Im the recipient of that trying to transform those pages into a screen. But early on and again indemnify understanding from the first hand accounts, there was a courier that was somebody that in the case of this movie, the woman in the Intelligence Community decided to focus on. Rose played by jessica beautifully played by jessica chastain, she pursued the courage, the conviction that there was something in this lead. There are multiple leads that various people are tracking but there was something in this lead. She has a theory that there were two, when they were acquiring information, there were two individuals that, whose whereabouts were withheld. And that was the courier and that was Osama Bin Laden. Everybody else there was information on. So that was significant in and of itself but these two individuals were you know kind of rose they were the too you knew nothing about. You knew nothing about. Rose and maybe there was and therefore there was a kind of significance in the fact that you knew nothing. And that was certainly in the early days im sure that was important, important enough to pursue. Rose so if i go find a young agent that looks like jessica chas tain that was at the center of this team that found the courier. Well first of all, we, you know, there are some public figures that are represented. Everybody else in the film, we didnt have actor that had any physical resemblance because these are Civil Servants and we want to be respectful of their privacy. Rose but you know. Its not to say there arent attractive people at the c. I. A. There actually are. Rose of course. But you know them. You know them. Well, the film, i dont want to tell you about me personally. Rose you did the research. I did the research. Rose based on the story before you became a screen writer. Yes and i gathered a lot of firsthand accounts from people that were directly involved in this operation. Rose how did you do that. And was able to somehow make them into a screen play. Rose how did you do that. The same way i would have reported an article if i was writing an article. In the same waive you would report a book or a tv. To me the hardest thing in the word would be to report a tv show because you go would microphone and camera and say talk to me. The second hardest thing would be a book or lets say an article because you say look, i got a source thats pretty particular because my editors are going to require me to point some foundation for this information. The easiest thing would be to go and say look its a movie, its a movie. If you talk to me we can hopefully represent the spirit of what youre saying. But i dont have, im not held to the same journalistic standards. Rose tell me how you work together. Youre the director, hes the writer but this is a team. Well its very collaborative. I mean, i am, i love work thats challenging. I love work that is you know kind of feels, i suppose the only way to describe it is sort of like contemporary. In other words theres Something Interesting working in the space of the iraq war while the wars going on. In this case, you know, a mystery that probably is pretty fascinating to a lot of people in this country. Maybe even many other place in the world. So you know this kind of contemporaneous qualities. You can see rose yes. What more do you want. Rose fabulous screen writers right. Were interested, we have a shorthand now. We made one movie together which was, it did all right the it was a lot of work and it was really a labor of love and this one was too really a labor of love. So weve got kind of a shorthand. Rose there is this scene in which i think she says the courier is in the files. Yes, yes. Rose tell me about that. Well so thats towards the, we spend most of the movie tracking, tracking this ghost to is meant to be the courier. Theres an immense amount of effort trying to find out this guys annual name. Then you find out where they are located in the planet. All you had was his war name. And theres a scene in the film towards the back half of the film 2009 2010. Where they discover, one of the analysts discovers in fact they have the name of the courier in their files so to speak. I dont know if its a computer or filing cabinet. Since shortly after 9 11 and thats something that came out of the reporting i did. And theres a lot in the two hour movie thats you know ten year thats compressed but we thought that was an important piece of information. Rose that gave them the link they needed, a name. A name thats like saying charlie rose from detroit. Its like saying charlie from detroit. Charlie from detroit, excuse me. Getting the name, theres no one thing. Theres no one thing that gets you to the bottom line. That was a huge then you can get the phone number. Now you have a maim and phone number. Then you start listening to the calls. A year goes by listening to telephone calls because theyre listening to calls of the saide family and then locating the people making those crowds and then finding that person in a crowded marketplace and them tracking the car back to the compound. Thats when you see in the movie. Rose look to america. He hadnt bought a cell phone. Its another big turning point. Rose one of the interesting things bit is many of the people in alqaeda learned that lesson, not to deal with, not to use cell phones. He knew it too. He turned the cell phobe off and took the batteries off. That was revealing. Part of what made him pop up on in sort of radar of all this data coming in is wait a second who in 2010 only uses their cell phone once every two weeks. Who does that. Rose also this thing about absence of substance whats that. That was my point about their only two individuals whose whereabouts were being withheld no matter how they tried to ascertain that information. And that was this particular courier and hesman. That gave a kind of significance greater than all the others because that was the case with Osama Bin Laden. A lot of this is hindsight too. They were tracking as you point out, they were tracking many different leads. And its only in hindsight that the courier lead seems to be the winner. Like money rose significant. So significant. Because there was a pareto brotherinlaw in the tribal areas. I think ones going to lead you to the family member. He got killed in a drone strike a couple within six months when this whole thing happened. Up until then they thought maybe hes going to be money for walkins family and the courier. Im sure there were many others. Rose they were dedicated. I want to look at some clips here so we can identify the quality of the action here. This is the scene in which the c it a operative maya played by the extraordinary jessica chastain. Briefs the troops on two narratives about bin laden. Youll notice the panels similar to what we use on the b2. Theyve been muffled with decibel killers but it can hyde what do we need these for, its certainly antiair do you want to brief him . There are two narratives about the location of Osama Bin Laden. The one youre familiar with is ubl is hiding in a cave in the tribal areas surrounded by a large contingent of loyal fighters. That narrative is pre 911. Understanding of ubl. The second mayorive that is living in the city, living in a second with multiple points of egress and entries, access to communications so that he can keep in touch with the organization. You cant run a Global Network and interconnected cells from a cave. Rose there we see her explaining. This scene in fact is talking to before as theyre preparing on this mission and shes sort of providing information. This is a scene where they learn the objective of their profession. Rose before that they did not know. No. It was secret even to them. Rose how soon before the mission did they announce. They knew they were going on some high value target all that kind of stuff but they didnt know it was Osama Bin Laden but they werent stupid either. I would have to go back and look. Less than a month probably. Rose this is a scene which was led by team leader patrick played by Joel Edgarton get into helicopters and head out on their mission. Here it is. Rose do you know whether they the c. I. A. Agent who was part of tracking down the courier was there watching them lead, is that factually accurate. Physicianly standing at that exact place in time . Rose yes, sir. I did not get into a scene by scene analysis. First of all this is not a documentary. Rose afghanistan. Thats in afghanistan. It is a Motion Picture. However, to the best of my ability within the constraints of a Motion Picture i tried to be as faithful as i could. And theres going to be a lot of books written about this event so hopefully im consistent with those books and im gratified so far no one has stood up and said. But then there was definitely an agent Forward Deployed and then i think that hopefully we pre that to life. Rose fair enough. Im not going to make you go through scene and of by scene and say is this accurate. Its a true story, thats what i can tell you. Rose theres evidence of a capture the bottom of the ocean somewhere. I want to see one more scene. This is where the c. I. A. Station chief Joseph Bradley and his colleague dan talk about meyer. Here it is. Third floor Northeast Corner [indiscernible] for the hard stuff. Washington says shes a killer. Rose whats the significance of the scene we just saw . 18 seconds. Well, its, its really how she interfaces with her colleagues and her colleagues kind of adjusting to the new person, just fresh in from washington. And its sort of gives you an impression of their assess the of her. Rose its fair to say that at some point between 2012 and 2002, there was some exasperation within the United States government about the failure to find Osama Bin Laden. And if you ask anybody as i did often at this table, they would say we dont know. They would say weve lost the trail. Fair enough. So there was some pressure on the people who were charged with doing this because the president had set first thing on panetta, get this guy. Its an enormous amount of pressure and what we try to demonstrate in the film, the stake werent just about 9 11 right because alqaeda continued to attack western targets. And you know, to have the job where if you make a wrong decision, you know, you might somehow be comfortable for not preventing an act tack spain. For every day, there could be another london bombing or another marriott. A myriad of events could happen so thats the pressure youre under as well. Rose but not to contradict that point we also know events took place and continue to take place after Osama Bin Laden was killed because alqaeda spawned kind of different organizions, in asia. Yes. Rose what was the most difficult thing for you as a filmmaker to take this brilliant screen play, screen writing and turn it into an adventure story . Trying to be faithful to the research, be faithful to the characters, be faithful, really give the audience a look at what it might be like to work in the Intelligence Community on a hunt this important. What would that be like. I didnt have a clue before he began reporting this. Can i let you in on a secret please. Its easy for her. Rose its easy for her because shes good. Its not her first radio. Yes, exactly. I mean, you cant say that but i can say it for you. If you cast it right you have great material in front of you, its a great story and you have great actors and a great crew. I mean, i dont know. Rose but youre good in every aspect of this. Look at casting and what you did in hurt locker. Introduced to an actor people knew but you made him even more known and he was the perfect casting. Jessica chastain. Why her for this role . Well rose other than the fact she was a hot actress. I dont mean the way they looks but she does but she had other roles offered to her. Her facility with language theres a kind of precision she has. Shes extraordinarily talented and her ability to kind of, she has a real beautifully highly nuanced, very finely calibrated performance shes able to deliver from scene to scene to scene to scene. And she humanizes this hunt. I have been a familiar of hers since i saw i think i saw a raw cut of her years ago. The subtlety this woman is capable of and yes theres a ferocious quality. She is fearless. Rose you just said the word that makes this a great movie for me. She humanized it. We know in this movie these are real people and they have experiences and careers and relationship that made up this story thats historic. Thats what the movie does. Thank you. Rose dont you agree. I think we hope for that. Rose youre going to say we had many other things. We had many conversations about that trying to really bring this story to life, you know. Rose to make it a real story not just reading what the storys about. The people behind the scenes that do it. And of course the president s are important and of course the people you see on television are important. Rose so you made a decision in making this movie not to show the situation room at the whitehouse where those that famous photograph of the secretary, the president in a jacket, the secretary of defense, secretary of state, and others in that room. Why . Well again i think what was interesting to us the people at the heart of this hunt, people on the ground, people in pakistan, the people you know with surveillance just good old fashion. Whatever means they were utilizing, you know, what, peel back the curtain and show an audience what it would be like to be at the center of this operation. Besides, youve seen that photo. You really want to see it again. Rose well i do but thats just me. I want to know what the president might have said in that room. That will be another movie. If you do that and its Denzel Washington or some other great actor playing the president you say thats not right, thats not really him. Rose because you know them. You know them. Rose you didnt want to go back and use footage. Its also, theres a certain narrative imperative when you tell a story through one persons eyes that you sort of try to channel the audience through that character. It breaks the immediacy of it. Were almost in real time. Even though its ten years compressed into two andahalf hours, youre kind of in real time tracking this guy. Rose because im fascinated by the korea story, i did want to know more about her, you know. We see her and we understand what her role is and shes at the center of your action and she is represented, she not a composite but shes part of a group. I wanted to know shoe she was, where she came from. Did you not tell us it was a judgment about making movies or did you not tell us about her because there was some el the of being respectful of the c. I. A. Both, i guess i like those Clint Eastwood movies where the guy comes into town and you dont know where hes from and you lean into him. To me theres something the storys specific theres a ton of information but hopefully theres something universal about the character as well. And so kind of a little bit of mystery goes a long way. Shes only defined by her actions. I think theres something very significant about that and kind of extraordinary about a character that reveals himself that way. Rose youve identified with her . Thats a difficult question because rose youre a pioneer filmmaker. Thank you. Rose because of talent and gender. I admire that character i admire her taught tenacity. As a man or woman we can certainly aspire to those qualities. Rose youre the wrong person to ask. Whats the answer to my question. So kick me under the table. I can tell you charlie that she, knowing her as well as i do, it was the story, it wouldnt have mattered to her one bit if it was a man. The story led us to this, it was what we found. Its what the reporting reveal. And, you know, im pretty sure that when she wakes up in the morning and thinks about the day, its you know can i make this shot, can i hit the budget. If not, its the same thing any director thinks about. Rose i think it was tom hangs who said all Great Stories are about lones. Was she lonely. Theres a difference between lonely and a loner. Maybe shes a loner but not lonely. I think shes, its an interesting question. I mean, i think shes so completely consumed by her quest, by her objective, by this drive. Shes truly immersed. Shes alone with her work. Shes alone with her work, thats beautifully put. Sometimes that teamwork really well. Rose when people talk about that do they try to find some connection between her and the character claire deign plays. Ive heard that. Rose its a driven cia person. I havent seen the show but my understanding of it is thats its based on an israeli. So this is a true story. Rose yes. I suppose its an interesting coincidence. Rose tell me about casting beyond jessica. You were looking for . Great actress. Great actress. Rose did you want people that were not necessarily wellknown as actors. I did. Rose why . Well, first of all i was looking for actor that had a significant body of work, thats really substantive actors but perhaps were not yet household names. I think especially when youre dealing as mark said its a true story when youre dealing with characters that are meant to be true, meant to be true to life, you want to have an original relationship with them. You dont want to kind of have to sort of be watching them and sort of scrubbing past performances or past characters away so you can have sort of a clean true line to them. And i think, and its an opportunity to work with these, even you know just extraordinary talents like jason clark, mark strong, edgar ramirez, carl chandler, jennifer eely. And these are people that are significant actors, represent ta, with a tremendous body of work. They just havent kind of made it to that place where theyre household names for instance. And theres something exciting about that. Rose let me look at jennifer healy. This is scene four and an alqaeda leader. Here it is. Why are there gate guards there. We talked about this. No one is supposed there. You might have spooked him already. The procedures only work if we follow them every time. This is different, im sorry i cant explain but its for a good cause. Look im going to stop for everybodys safety okay not just about you. I just need them to go away for a minute. You can search. Rose this is extraordinary because this is real life too. This is a real story. This is a story we all know and people have written at least one book about this. You probably covered. Rose i did indeed. And this is a story of how somebody connected to alqaeda gained access to c. I. A. Agents that were on ground and walked in and trusted him and they would lead him to Osama Bin Laden. He was wearing a suicide vest. How many lives lost . Seven lives lost and some extraordinary c. I. A. Civil servants. Rose you said about this movie you wanted to show a human face of the world of counterterrorism which is part of what we alluded to earlier about humanism the humanity of these people or humanizing them. But tell me about what it is, how that fits into what you did here. Well i think its, you know its certainly a world that i can speak for myself. I knew very little about. I mean i just sort of imagined its sort of, you know takes place in the shadows, as it should, as it needs to. But then you know to be able to, to be able to peel back the curtain and have a glimpse at a process and a character and what kind of, what is the psychology behind somebody that dead indicates ten years of their life exclusively to finding one person. You have to see the movie. Exactly. Rose okay. But its also, its also you know, these are, its saying we dont have to mythologize everything in this country. He was killed by ordinary people doing extraordinary things and demythologizing that and maybe we can demythologize alqaeda. Rose interviewing the admiral he said to the president we do 13 missions like that every night. Thats our mission. This is what we do. We go in a helicopter and go get somebody and then we fly every night. Every night. And sometimes more than that. Rose and thats the easy part of it too. Its the job. Rose the job. And here whats interesting about the movie too. In a sense its not just going in there and accomplishing your mission, its getting home. And how fast can you do the mission, how fast can you make sure that youre not stopped. How quick will the pakistanis figure out what youre doing and do something about it. Pretty quick. Thats about the special operations and he says 30 minutes is the most time youre supposed to spend on the ground. 30 minutes. Rose the thing that also amazes me about this movie is where you started. And tell me why. You started with looking at a man in custody being tortured. Whats the point . Well actually we started with a black screen. Rose of course you did but the first thing. And 911. Rose the voices of 9 11. The voices of 9 11. And you know the enhanced interrogation was part of that history. And it was what the research shows. And it was again part of that ten year journey. We used many different. There are many different methods utilized. Electronic surveillance, track and trace as the years go boy. But thats one of the, that was one of the methodologies early on. In that hunt. Rose if you did not know what water boarding is, you do now. This is tough stuff. Its controversial. It will continue to be controversial. But its part of the story here. I mean the Detainee Program was a big part of what the c. I. A. Was involved in. And i think theres something you know worthwhile talking about that to some degree and not white washing it. But not being gratuitous hopefully and not taking it over the top. Rose whats interesting about the fact that a former art student in San Francisco is now directing movies like this. What is it about you that likes this kind of challenge . Think of the movies youve made. Its so hard to answer that. You know i think that theres a kind of responsibility to tell a true story that affects all of our lives and i think thats what motivates me. Rose does life and definite motivate you. The movies you make are about life and death. Theres a gravity at the heart of this piece. There were many lives lost over the course of those ten years. So i suppose a kind of real substantive gravity moves me. And thats really motivating. Rose whats interesting im using the only skills that i have to try to express it. Rose you said that before about yourself, you felt a sense of mission or responsibility to push the frontiers of the genre. This is a genre and youre pushing the frontiers, yes . Shes never going to admit to that. Rose thats why were here. You look at that but i know you dont want to appears because you think its self serving. Much ill come back to this, the people at home. Zero dark thirty is the title which means . 12 30 at night. Rose 12 30 at night. That day. It refers to the timing. Rose we also remember and this is in the film too. This is all we know about this so im going to tell you anything you dont know. We know that they had problems with the helicopter and bob gates said to me boy when he saw that. Because he was down at the heart of it and he remembered that. He says, you know, is this he had actually part of why he was in favor of the bomb as opposed to the helicopter raid. He was afraid of that. Rose heres the professionalism again. They said mission continues. There was not a moment that they didnt say. They may have considered it but they were so professional and so well trained that they knew the mission was still open to success. Well it hadnt been, it was a hard landing, so there were no casualties, and i think the guys got shook up pretty good. But. Like you said, they do assaults every night. Rose the two of you when you were making this movie look at each other and say were making a movie about one of the Great Stories of our time. I dont think well get another one this good. Kind of the story of a lifetime. The whole time. Rose this is the story of a lifetime and weve been given this opportunity because we were prepared to do it and we had the right combination of skills to do it. Not just as screen writers but as a reporter. I think reporting is just as important as the screen writing. Thank you. Rose its true. I had to report it. Rose i need you to confirm him and him to confirm you. When i started this, there wasnt a lot of source material. You know. And there just werent a lot of books. Im reporting this contemporaneously. There are really big guns in this field. The books were coming they were in process at the same time of the movie. Rose there are a lot of books and interviews. 60 minutes had an hour on the guy. What have you learned that you didnt really know since the fact that theres more come out or did you already know all that because you were talking all the sources that are now writing all the things. Pretty good question. That is a pretty good question. I might take the fifth on that one. Rose the answers yes. Theres no one hero here, theyre all heroes. Its a combination of things coming together from the c. I. A. Side, you know. And then the operational side. And you see sort of the moving parts of a variety of government, theyre cooperating. Yes. Its a three, i guess its not branches but dod, c. I. A. Command and role in the whitehouse. Obviously theres a lot of turf battles there. Somebody growing up being a metro reporter a lot of times you pop the hood of government and you look inside and say thats how you guys do it. Rose remember watergate. Any kind of daily corruption. But it was kind of, i have to say just to look under the hood and see a v12 there lets sort of working. Its really admirable. Its really nice to know thats also a side of the story. Kind of made you proud to be an american. Not to say they dont do things that are really ugly and try to document. Rose speak to that. There was purpose in that. A lot was at stake here and things done that not necessarily americans would call, might make americans question. Yes. Its been a dark, there should be no doubt, its been a dark period since 9 11 and yes theres been dead case but there are also you know, i think there are mistakes made. Rose so this movie against, i mean this story begins at 9 11 obviously but we knew Osama Bin Laden before 9 11 we know what happened, we know therefore the search and we know that in 2008 president obama said to leon panetta as choice