Into the world, they bring people together. Rose and we conclude this evening talking to nicole hurd of the college ad college advis. We have a barrier endangering our democracy because the young people are not going to college and obtaining degrees and our Global Competitiveness and democracy depend on bright young people out there. So we are marrying the idea of kids finishing themselves, and the counselors and teachers trying hard but without capacity, and Holding Hands and saying i believe in you. You. You. Rose rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. With our continuing coverage of the brussels attacks and other issues. 31 people were killed and more than 300 wounded. Belgian authorities have acknowledged their errors, among them the failure to detain one of the attackers. Turkey said it had deported and warned belgian authorities about him. Secretary of state john kerry addressed the attacks thursday during his visit to moscow. Yesterdays events in brussels underscore to all of us the urgency of every country that has an ability to make a difference to end this evil scourge that comes from daesh and violent extremism. Rose kerrys trip to russia comes after president putin said he would withdraw most of the Russian Force now sir. I cant peace talks in geneva are ongoing as russia and the United States said progress had been made. Ian bremmer, founder and president of Political Risk consultancy eurasia group. Pleased to have him back at the table. Thank you, charlie. Rose tell me where to start. Are we looking at a any i. S. I. S. Strategy throughout europe . Should we assume if theres one cell carrying out attacks in brussels and paris, there are probably other cells throughout europe prepared to carry out attacks . Yes, and also the news that one of these bombers was actually researching nuclear work and trying to get his hands on material for a dirty bomb. I mean, clearly, they want large, coordinated these are not lone wolves and its not all about the refugee issue. Were talking about large Muslim Population living in slums, not integrated with the rest of society. In france, its 8 of the population in. Belgium its 6. The economics arent working well for the people and the politics are turning against them. Rose the attacks are coming from people who went to syria and learned some kind of craft of making bombs under those kind of circumstances and then come back. Yes, a lot of them are. Rose they all came from somewhere. They came from somewhere, and its very difficult for the authorities in these countries to get inside these communities. The United States, not only populations were talking about much smaller as a percentage, but theyre integrated in the community so its much easier for a new York Police Department representative, officer or someone else to know when there someone is thinking about getting radicalized and joining an organization. Many times when we break up wouldbe plots, its very early in the game, in fact sometimes it looks like entrapment. In belgium, france and across europe, youre not getting nuff information. Rose a failure of intelligence. Of human intelligence, an ability to get inside the communities and, also, a failure of coordination. There is, of course, a european currency, but there is not a european intelligence agency, and these countries are not sharing information nearly as well as they need to be given the scale of he threat. Rose as someone pointed out today, its even within different intelligence agencies within a nation, its not that theyre not sharing as much as simply so much is going on and different people learn different things. This is a problem that came out of 9 11, the recognition that the c. I. A. And f. B. I. Were not talking to each other as much as they should be here. Thats true. And in belgium, also finding they just dont have the numbers of people that can engage. We saw that after the paris bombings they were able to collect and filter information, but they didnt have 11,000 people on the terror list, they didnt have the agents that could actually be doing the spade work to track these individuals. One of the bombers the turkish government said they warned the europeans about when the authorities basically said, yeah, we know hes a criminal but we cant find a connection to terrorism. So again, youre watching there are so many leads and the numbers of people youre talking about are overwhelming that you need to follow, and the european societies are very porous and moving from border to border and not being followed from border to border. Rose they have passports and its a European Union. It is for now, yes. Rose you think that votes going to be impact bid this. Pretty much every political issue in europe is affected negatively by an event like the tragic ones we saw this week. The referendum is coming up june 23, so we have three months. Rose some cabinet members resigned due to supporting it. Cameron lost his chancellor but didnt make it about i his port narrowly but was a dagger about staying in the union. Boris johnson, very charismatic. Rose wants to be Prime Minister. Wants to be Prime Minister and is putting his politics ahead of that of the betterment of the nation which i would complain about except that we see plenty of it in this part of the world. Rose british politics. Indeed. But if you ask me do more brits on balance recognize they should probably stay in the union than not, the answer is yes. But if you ask me how passionately do they feel about staying in the union and thats none at all. Those who leave are feeling increasingly strong about it. Rose i was in china over the last weekend at a forum there and there were people from britain there and people from all over meeting with chinese ministers and lots of conversation. Improved dramatically. Rose indeed, but at the same time everybody was saying if print leaves the European Union it could be a disaster for the global economy. Its certainly going to be a disaster for brits. That will be clear. The best report from the confederation of british industry, they were looking at by 2020, 950,000 jobs lost and about 140 billion taken off the bridge economy and thats assuming the scots dont leave the u. K. After a british exit which itself is reasonably likely. I also think it would take at least a year to do the unwind, an enormous distraction and a run on the pound in the british markets while that happened and the europeans would need to make it painful because they dont want other countries to say look how easy it was for the brits. We want our own referendum. When you take polls across europe, you get 50 more or less from most european nations that they want their own referendum. You put it on the borders that are porous, the feeling european governments are responsible for this, there is not a lot of proeuro sentiment going on these days. Rose you said to me this evening, man, there is never been a time when so much is going on. Yeah, thats true. Rose whats going on . Every part of the world, some bad, some good, but the politics are really in flux. Think about the dramatic opening with cuba, for example. Rose we talked about terrorism. Think about the incredible, the low price of energy and what thats doing to the saudis and all the major oil producers, venezuela probably going to lead to a collapse there relatively soon. Rose how about saudi arabia . Of course, all the gulf producers, russia under less pressure but most of the other major energy producers. Rose and iran . Iran going to be producing a lot more. And that deal is happening. You have the ostensible cease fire in syria, the russians saying theyre not a part of it. North korea pushing and escalating significantly the americans exacerbating sanctions while the chinese are saying they dont want to. The number of moving pieces on the board. If you wanted to take a tour, the number of things you would likely want to hit today where things could move dramatically rose the economy slowed down . Yeah, were in a world this year, you had everyone sit doing together and recognizing, you know what . Its not a 4 Global Environment anymore, its 3 , and thats given the level of uncertainty, that makes people a little more risk averse. Rose there was a piece in the atlantic magazine by Jeffrey Goldberg. The Obama Doctrine piece. Rose yes. What did you think of the philosophy laid out by the president as to how he sees syria and the middle east and his own imperatives and how he thinks it may as important what he didnt do as what he did in looking at his impact on Foreign Policy, that his legacy may be that. This is the first time on reading this that i recognize to myself, you know, heres a president thats kind of of my generation, someone whose mind, context, thought process, whether or not i agree with it, i actually understand and this article helped me do that. Anyone out there that cares has to read this piece. Rose whats the reaction of people you know to see this president through these questions and through the gifted hand of Jeffrey Goldberg outline his Foreign Policy . Are the saudis saying, oh, my god . Are our friends in europe saying, oh, my god, he thinks were free riders . Well, you and i have talked about that issue for a while and weve talked about the saudi issue for a while but, nonetheless, seeing it on print and obama say it, the machinations of whats going on analytically in there, i think its interesting the way he has no time for the washington policy establishment and the way he treats members of his own team, not true inner circle, but everyone outside that, some very capable people with some very serious egos. Its, like, you know, you guys are causing trouble you. Read that and you realize the way he felt liberated by taking the decision many people believe was the single worst decision of his administration, syria, i dont think its the worst decision, but the fact that hes, like, i got pushed into this red line and this position, there is automatically a desire to use force rose on the part of the political Foreign Policy establishment. Yes, and specifically the idea im going to lose credibility and thats important if i dont go and bomb and by the way when i bomb, im probably going to kill civilians, they will use human shields and it wont accomplish anything, but because i need to maintain credibility, not important to me, but it is to the washington establishment rose and the council on foreign relations, perhaps eurasia. I wouldnt say that. I would like to believe washington is a part of the problem here because its more of an echo chamber, a filter bubble. Its easier when youre outside to look in. Rose i think its an Establishment Group thing. I think thats right. My point on all of this, whatever you think of any of these people is he believed that was the right decision, and rose and you dont. You know, i have to say that reading it from his position gave me more empathy for what he was going through. I think it caused a lot of damage and i think it hurt a lot of alliances. Rose hurt rappings and ht relationships and alliances. Yes. And if you want to ask has obama been successful, you want to look at when you came into office and leave office, is our position in the world better or worse. Rose and the answer to that, is our position better or worse . Its clearly worse, but its clearly better in latin america and, in part, that was strategic patience, and its clearly at least a little better with americas asian allies. Rose and how much better was it because of the cuba decision . Thats a part of it. Rose a big part of it, isnt it . Its a part of it. Rose latin america would raise that with the president every time he would try to get them to do something. True. But the fact is when he was getting whacked around by maduro, he didnt bite back. He said i know this guy is eventually on the way out and im not going to raise the bait. He did the same in argentina and now hes in argentina and he has a much better relationship as a consequence with the regime, would have much tougher if he had taken all that. Its interesting and the strategic patience which is not a doctrine, its a tool, but the tools have actually served him reasonably well. In the case of syria, theyve served him badly, i would argue not because he decided not to bomb, but because he allows himself to continue to get sucked in, in spite of himself. Rose whats amazing, when he was questioned on 60 minutes, whenever the last interview was, and he basically said, he argued that, look, the russians are in a quagmire. Theyre going to go over there, get sucked into this, and you think its wise but not wise. Putin goes there, does a certain amount of time doing what he said he would, which is prop up the government, said he was going to take on i. S. I. S. , didnt do that as well. Took on people opposed to assad. Assad is propped up, hes in a more difficult position, a better negotiating position, and says were going to leave. Even though he leaves with twothird, he says were leaving and some says that gives him some kind of influence to be a player as obviously kerry is paying attention to because hes there trying to negotiate some future of syria. Obama i have must have less empathy for obamas decisionmaking process on russia. I think he got ukraine wrong. I think he got russia on syria wrong. He clearly believed the russians were getting sucked into a quagmire not recognizing putins ability to make and implement decisions on a dime and then reverse them are vastly greater than that of any president of the United States. Doesnt have to deal with the bureaucratic restraints. So hes in and out. I think the big problem i have with obama coming out of this piece as well as what ive seen for seven years is he does have a hard time. Hes extremely thoughtful and analytical, he thinks a few moves ahead but doesnt put hemself in other peoples views easily. The thing he has in common with president bush is in their own ways theyre both exceptionallists. Rose that comes out clearly. He believes this is an exceptional nation and bleefsz and clearly says it that in the end america has to lead, everybody wants america to come up with the leadership and thats what he says happens at the g20 and other meetings coming up in september. The other thing thats interesting, it was very clear to me that obama would much rather be remembered as an extraordinarily intelligent president than as a great president but only moderate capabilities, i really believe that, and thats a problem. Ultimately, he needs to be right, even if hes not successful and even if he doesnt lead. Rose you see a bit of that in how strong his emphasis is on the rightness of his decision on syria. Hes never given an inch on that decision. Or any of the decisions. Rose what is going on in brazil . Well, i think he will be impeached in the next couple of months and that is new. The level of information against her including tapes she and her chief of staff had with lula, the popular opinion is enormous, she likely will lose all Coalition Partners in terms of the parties and probably means she cant get the votes in congress. Rose what does his presence do, protects him or her . No, his presents protects him from being arrested by a lowerlevel judge. It has to go to the Supreme Court of the land and that takes time. The facts that the tapes came out and the fact that the head of the most important Construction Firm in brazil at the head of the corruption is talking and involved in what looks like a plea bargain. I think its past the tipping point. I think there are 591 members of congress in brazil and i think Something Like 270 of them are presently being charged with major crimes. Not quite half. So it could be worse, but not by much. Ive seen this with my interactions for everyone in brazil, the olympics will be the most interesting since 1998 in seoul which brought down their military regime, this regime is gone. But i tell you, the strategic patience for obama, if i were advising the next big opportunity for the u. S. Is brazil. Once this president goes and the Vice President comes in and becomes president and we go through that, its going to be a clean slate. The same thing will happen as in argentina theyll see in venezuela, the entire western hemisphere in some ways by default and economic malfeasance but is turning back to the United States. Once they default and maduro goes, absolutely. Rose china, i just returned. Theyve announced a fiveyear plan. Went pretty well. Rose all say the same thing. Went well. They say they will grow 6. 5 to 7. They give a band, usually. Rose and they say, well open up our markets more than we ever v well allow more competition than we ever have. We understand the volatility of the market. We understand that people, because of reforming the economic picture of china, there are going to be some people that are displaced and we have 15 billion fund to take care of them. They seem to be asking the hard questions of their economy and are prepared to try to find the best answer they can within some context of who they are. There are very few leaders in the world today that are doing that, that are able and willing to think strategically about the changes that need to be made in their economy. In china, those changes are immense. Xi jinping so far has proven himself to be willing to take that on with congress and the fiveyear plan. In addition to what you said, two things, one, the anticorruption efforts are not slowing down, theyre picking up steam and actually moving up. They start in the provinces with some of the s. O. E. S, is the state enterprises, now hit the ministry. Theyre not facing opposition. Rose because xi jinping supports it. Thats great. If you had said four years ago that could be possible at this level, a million members of the communist party through an investigation process, its never happening and its happening. Second point, their growth, 6. 5 to 7, no economist believes its that number, they all say 4 or 5. But whats good is whatever it is, the stimulus and not just that 15 million billiondollar fund, the stimulus is going toward consumption, healthcare, pensions, changing tax, its not going to the fat cats who have been inefficient in strategic sectors they dont need to spend more money on so they actually are rebalancing. But youre so right, there are still huge problems. And i do worry. They clearly do not know how to manage a transition towards an open and liquid stock market. Rose not only that, an open and liquid society. And a currency. So the question on society is if you can give the people economically what they want, are they going to be satisfied with not having Political Liberties . Rose i understand the whole idea. For me the question is not are they going to have liberal elections . For me is will they be capable. Theyre all really strong, more than anyone since mao. When you move the economy toward consumption and making parts to have the chinese economy emboldened, can you decentralize the power so those parts to have the country can be governed differently . So far theyve shown no inclination to do that. In the next five years i think they will need to show an inclination but they do have time. As much as it worries a lot of countries that theyre going to build their military and so theyre going to build the islands and take more and well have a conflict, the fact is we desperately need china to succeed. If theres a good news story out there right now in the world, its coming out of asia and china. Rose brings us back to the Obama Doctrine and Jeffrey Goldbergs piece, talked about the pivot in asia and latin america to where those kinds of you know, he sees those countries as the future. He does. Rose and he sees the the extraction from mille middle eas essential. Thats what surprised me because you dont want to tell these guys youre marginally a part of the past. Rose and when they get nervous he flies over to their capital and the talks to them. And even kowtows like with the saudis on that big trip and we talked about that. Except for the fact obama believes asia is the future and i think thats right, and yet the transpacific partnership, he kind of let it go a couple of years and pushed against the clock, i think hes going to get it done but its not a complete slam dunk. His second term team he lost his top asia people and didnt seem interested in replenishing the asia piece. You cant do it yourself. You get the sense he thinks if i have the answer, i dont need these people. When i see asia pivot, i think hillary, tim geithner, those kind of people, then i think obama. While obama has had success, i was at that apec summit in manila and i was sitting next to obama when he did the Oprah Winfrey thing h he did well in south asia. But for some time, americas asian allies look to the u. S. And say we dont feel youre exphitd to us. How do you have a president who views this as americas future, so gets it and yet the allies dont feel it and its because he doesnt put hemself in their position. Rose they also talk about the difference between rhetoric and deed. Thats right. Rose and and he talks and writes a good game, but i think in terms of whether he can really get it done in asia, thats a little more challenging for him. Rose thanks for coming. Glad to have you here. You, too. Rose back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose Hank Williams was one of the most influential songwriters in history earning him the name the hillbilly shakespeare. Chart topping hits, hey good looking, your cheating heart, and im so lonesome i could cry. The talented and troubled singer died at age 29. Now a new biopic tells his story to rise to country stardom and battle with addiction. Its called i saw the light. His granddaughter calls it haunting. A rousing welcome to mr. Hank williams. Hey goodlookin came to see me to play songs hed written and i offered him a contract right then and there. Do you love me . Most the time i do. Congratulations. Yeah, mr. Williams. Hes going to have a real dad, not like it was for me. Saning sing like his daddy tonight. What are you writing, hank . A poem. Why dont you write me a poem . I might need to get to know you a little better. There is speculation about the hard lives of folks. You go out on the road and sleep with a different woman every night. I need you with me. You think you could treat me right, then . I can try. Business is tough on marriage. Marriage is tough on marriage. Youre barely even here. Youre barely even a father to him. Hank boy, im a professional at making a mess at things. Praise the lord, i saw the light everybody has darkness in them. Talking about things like anger, sorrow, shame. I show it to em, and they hear it, and theyll have to take it home. Now im so happy, to sorry in sight Country Music is sincere. A man sings a sad song, he knows its sad. I saw the light rose joining me is film star Tom Hiddleston and director marc abraham. Im pleased to have them to talk about a remarkable being, Hank Williams. He said everybody has a little darkness in them. Thats right. Rose what did he mean . Thats a good question, charlie. I think well, for us i think we the way i see hank is that every artist exposes something about human nature and has the courage to express it in their work. Rose right. And i think really great artists like Hank Williams and so many musicians, painters, writers are brave enough to acknowledge it within themselves, to write about it, to make and create art about it and by putting it into the world they bring people together. Rose and at the same time he said people dont write music, its given to them, meaning the Life Experiences give them the music, i guess. Thats right, yeah. I mean, it all comes from his heart, i think. I think i dont know where it came from with hank. I thought about it so much as i played the part. I wanted to know how you know, he was one of those guys who opened his mouth and the truth fell out. I dont know how he had access to that, but it happened some way. Rose this is not a biopic in the traditional way. No, i certainly attempted it not to be because i didnt find it was an interesting to start in the cradle and take him to the grave. I was always influenced by films that didnt do that, which actually went in to find the core of who somebody was, not necessarily the various beats of their lives. So i tried to avoid that. We just decided it told the story much more in relationships and how you know, impressive and intense relationships between men and women often influence what comes out in your work. Rose i dont think theres a bigger legend in country western music, is there . I think hes the top. Hes zeus in country. They all tip their hat, whether george jones, merle haggard, lefty frassell or kris kristofferson, all the way up, in the end, its hank. Rose what was it, the poetry . The way he could seek what everybodys pain was and express it in a way that they felt but couldnt express . I think everybody and i mean this every single person, if you and i walked around on the street and stopped the most random person and asked them if somebody in their life was addicted, somebody has an alcohol problem, somebodys grandmother just died, somebodys childs in trouble, they would have that. They wouldnt have the ability to put that into poetry. I think this is a man and i dont know how to explain it and why i didnt go into traditional biography about it, we never came to the understanding of why he was who he was. I cant tell you why Bob Zimmerman whose father ran a Furniture Store is bob dylan. Rose but bob dylan very much admired Hank Williams, his song writing. Many times hes spoken of hanks influence on him as a songwriter and how much he admired him. Thats what i found extraordinary is that the more i researched the man, the more i discovered that hank is a cornerstone in american music. Everybody tips their hat to him and i think there is a tension in his lyrics and poetry which is between his external charisma, he was clearly electrifying on stage, a real star, and his internal vulnerability is that he was so macho and, you know, his music came out in 1947, 1948, 1949, in the wake of the second world war, a and for a man so charismatic and masculine as he was to be able to say, im so lonesome i could cry, was a big thing at the time. Rose to say it. So there was strength in vulnerability. Right, and there is the sincerity of it that people like dylan acknowledge. The fact it was so authentic. He felt it, knew it, he sang it from the bottom of his soul and everybody after that, whether bob dylan or Bruce Springsteen or johnny cash or, you know, where i come from the rolling stones, you know, they remixed hanks sound and made it british rock and roll. Rose speaking of where you come from, the idea. Some hue brings, i think. And you chose to sing the songs. Yeah. I felt like marc and i agreed nobody would be interested in a movie where i lip synced. The fascinating part of acting, i find, is bridging the gap between myself and the character and trying to find in that gap the Common Ground that i can express. So, you know, i love what i do, and i feel the greatest pleasure i get is from the connection that you can make with audiences. You tell a story and you connect and you move people, one hopes. And i know hank felt the same. He felt the same connection with his audience and he loved being up on that stage. I trained in theater, and there were aspects of that experience that i could transfer, but the new thing, the New Territory for me was singing and playing and playing these songs. Rose is this your passion for authenticity here . Yeah, in terms of him singing the songs rose and being able to actually see the fingers creating the music. Yeah, for me i dont knock anybody who makes a movie where they have lip syncing, but for me it takes me out of the picture because i have to go from the real person away from the real person and back to the character. I told tom, you will never sound exactly like Hank Williams. I know Hank Williams like my mother knows her kitchen. The minute i hear a note, ill know its you. The point is to create a visceral emotion. Rose the relationship with his first wife was a fire. Yeah. Rose that burned deeply in him. Yes. She was a very, very fierce woman. A lot of people had a lot to say about Audrey Williams and, you know, i, obviously, didnt know. But she was very ambitious and she really saw herself to be side by side with him, and she didnt have the talent to do that. She did a lot of things and gave him support. But they had a fiery relationship. Up and down. Divorced once, got back together, divorced again. It was really rugged and there was a lot of pain in it. We know, you can go back, relationships love pain. Thats where this stuff comes out of and she fired a lot and thats how i really wanted to tell the story. Rose you cast elizabeth olson. Yes. Rose tell me about spina bifida. Its a degenerative disease of the spine. Spina bifida occulta, and its hidden and very difficult to detect or was at the time and it registers as a chronic problem later in life and now, of course, i think they can diagnose it in children and catch things early. But hank had this disease from birth but he didnt know about it till his late 20s, very shortly before he died, and i think it was part of why why he was so vulnerable. He was physically vulnerable. I remember watching documentaries and seeing family members and cousins and bandmates saying he never worked in the field, he never served as a soldier, and part of the reason he picked up a guitar is it was something he knew he could do. But it also formed his very unique physical. When hes on stage, his knees start to sway and his hips were so tight because to have the back pain that he couldnt swing his hips like elvis ended up doing but the rhythm went into his knees which i found fascinating. He was famous for his hats. This is a very authentic hat made by a couple of guys in tennessee and they knocked it off perfectly. They also had one that had a horseshoe shape up here, too. We try to stay as awe they wantic as possible. Rose there wassa special way he tipped it. Yeah, if you want a demonstration. Rose yeah, i want a demonstration. All right, folks, this one bought us quite a few beans and business kits, its called good looking thing cooking, how about cooking it up with me. There you go. Rose this is where youre recording the first major hit, move it on over. Reached number 4 on the billboard list. Came in last night half past ten that baby of mine wouldnt let me in so move it on over move it on over move over little dog cause the big dogs movin in she changed the lock on our front door and my door key dont fit no more so get it on over scoot it on over move over skinny dog cause the fat dogs movin in. Rose yours was not the first idea to make a film about Hank Williams . No, there was one made in 1964 where George Hamilton starred and Hank Williams, jr. Sang the music and they lip synced it. That was shepherded it by audrey. Rose honky tonking. When you were sad and lonely and have no place to go come to see me baby and bring along some dough and well go honky tonkin honky tonkin honky tonkin honey baby well go honky tonkin around this town im under no obligation to you. Well that goes both ways, huh . Hes dranking like a fish tonight. You think so . Honky tonkin honey baby well go honky tonkin around the town rose he had an addiction. Well, he rose and how powerful was that . Had him by the throat. Rose really. Apparently he couldnt go out and have just one cocktail. Even if he had two or three, he didnt have the system that could handle it. Later, because of his spina bifida and the pain he was in, he ended up having a quack doctor who got his degree at a gas station in chicago and started shooting him up with painkillers. So everything that could have gone wrong went wrong in this young mans life, 27, 28 years old. Rose he was obsessed with the grand ole opry. Obsessed with it. I think it was something you know, i found it fascinating to imagine now because it was so inundated with stimulation and opportunities for entertainment, but back in the day on the saturday night, to be on that stage with those stars, people he loved so much and respected like roy acuff and ernest tubb, for him, that was everything he wanted. That was the end of his dream. What was fascinating as i was looking into it, i remember in a document rii watched one of his touring band members said all his life, Hank Williams wanted to get up there and on that stage and be somebody, but when he got up there, he found there was nothing there. It was all back down where hed come from, which to me is such a beautiful kind of illustration of the doubleedged sword of a drive for that kind of success. Rose johnny cashs eldest daughter helped you . Rodney crowell who was married to roseanne cash once upon a time was my mentor. He was with incredible. He is based in nashville, and hes been making music for 40 years. Hes been touring with emmy lou harris, and he himself saw Hank Williams on his fathers shoulders at age two, one of his earliest memories. Hes been such a keeper of the flame of hanks legacy and was such a patient tutor for me in the ways of the blues. I had a huge distance to travel, and he was with me every step of the way. Because im a natural baratone, and hank was a tenor, so i had to change my pitch and also alter my sense of rhythm and then also commit myself to the sincerity of the songs, and rodney was my coach. It was a fun time. Rose among other things people said, what pleases you the most . I think its that they love listening to the music because that was for me, that was the biggest challenge. I felt such a responsibility to his family, to his legacy rose and when they said it was haunting. Yeah, holly williams, his granddaughter, the daughter of hank, jr. , saw the film and she wrote me a letter and its one of the let, you keep forever because she found it so touching, and she was so tickled by the fact that a british actor had played her grandfather and, in her mind, from certain angles and in certain lights, it was like looking at a ghost. I think also theres a scene in the film where Elizabeth Olsen and i as hank and audrey sang a duet of i saw the light as a lullaby to hank, jr. And she was watch ago seen that could have happened to her father and was touched by that. Rose the theme i saw the light . Because its so ironic. He saw it but for such a brief, brief, brief time, and that always struck me. I mean, there are so many great titles to a song. But that one touched me to profoundly, you know. Rose i saw the light briefly. Yeah, i saw it briefly. Rose thank you, congratulations. Thank you, charlie. Rose good to have you. Great to be here. Rose well be right back. Stay with us. Rose nicole hurd is here, c. E. O. And founder of the college advising corps. The Organization Helps to increase the number of lowincome firstgeneration College Students who enter and complete higher education, sent more than 500 recent College Graduates on twoyear stints as College Advisors to more than 160,000 students in underserved high schools around the country. Advisors work to create a collegecentric culture in the schools they serve. The model compare to teach for america or the peace corps but with a focus on college advising. Pleased to have nicole hurd at this table for the first time. Welcome. Glad to be here, charlie, thank you. Rose congratulations. Youre doing great stuff. Tell me how this came into being. Came into being realizing there are great recent College Graduates, many who are the first in the family themselves, so Service Oriented and wanting to change the world and airnessing that with a problem thats really a crisis in our country. Our counselor to student ratio is 480 to 1. We have a process way too complicated in terms of Financial Aid and filling out applications so we have a barrier thats endangering our democracy because young people are not going to college or obtaining degrees and our Global Competitiveness and democracy depend on having bright, educated young people out there. Were marrying the idea of people who just finished themselves with people who are counselors and teachers but dont have the capacity and saying i believe in you which is what all the kids need. We all have mentors. To say i can show you how to get to the finish line, too, is incredible. I was at the university of virginia, great Public Institution that believes in public imrens and i saw all these great kids applying to teach for america and they take about 11 of their graduates and peace corps take about 15 and it was, like, wheres another outlet to take the great, diverse talent. Because the young people have gone to the finishline, to be able to go back to a student and say, i have your story and you can do this. So many of our students dont think they can go to a duke, a m, carolina, whatever the school is, and the idea is only 3 of the students in the top 137 colleges in this country are from the bottom economic corridor. Rose how many . 3 . Wheres the opportunity . These schools rose education is your future. Absolutely. And these universities need to be ladders of opportunity. So we need to make sure we push great Young Students into these schools and the universities admit them and give the Financial Aid to make that happen. Rose you got a huge grant. From the Jack Kent Cook foundation to start. We started uva, 10 million to go national, spent six years at carolina incubating this. Rose six years at unc incubating this . Yes. Rose why . Belief in public excellence. The other person whos a hero is president friday. Rose my great friend. Who i miss dealer. I remember one of the first group of carolina advisors sitting around a table and president friday came in and were talking about why they were doing this. Theyre saying im from this, that part of north carolina, same schools, all saying why they were going to do this work. Bill friday afterwards smiled and said you know what you are . Youre messengers of hope. Its just the most beautiful moment. Theyre messengers of hope. Rose so youre there, got the grant, inc. Baiting at unc. Whats the next step . Were spreading across the country. In california, michigan, rhode island, massachusetts, new york, weve had Great Success in new york. N. Y. U. Has been our flagship in new york. We have kids going to college 20, 30 of the rate when we got there. Rose how do you measure success. How many people are going to college and are they finishing. Are we giving them the Financial Aid and social and emotional support they need so they have a meaningful credential. So were okay whether a credential, volkswagonle school, community college, fouryear institution, we want everyone to have the best match and fit so they will have the best opportunity thats the American Dream. If we dont do this, the American Dream is in jeopardy. Rose you cant say that enough. Absolutely. Rose and in a sense of our leadership. Right. These are our future leaders. Think about it, you know, the story of so many of us. So i think about, you know, the current chair of the board of duke is a first generation graduate, the current board of stanford, one of our great champions, men any hobson, first generation, lowincome, underrepresented student herself and came to talk to the advisors. She has a very similar story to the advisors and students and she told them all to be brave. We all need to tell each other to be brave. She motivates me when i think about i have to raise dollars and do something when i think about what do i do. I think of the democracy we need to protect and, two, i need to be brave. Rose im a first generation graduate. Were trying to find the next charlie rose and Melanie Hobson to step up. Its a privilege. Rose you say its data driven and evidence based. Yes. Im a nerd at heart. I have a ph. D. In studies. Evaluations at stanford, amazingly academic eric bedinger. We look at are we bringing in Financial Aid . We bring 76 million in Financial Aid to the students last year. We try to measure, is this going to help our economy . If someone has a college education, it changes the trajectory of their own family because their brothers and sisters and children will go to college. It increases the tax base, access to healthcare, participation, so all sorts of things to measure to give a return on investment. Were cost effective, about 154 per student to serve them. So why not invest in our kids this way. Rose when you look at all that you have done, what havent you done . What havent we done is put a microphone on this issue. Its great to be in 532 schools this year, serve 160,000 students, but there are 1. 4 lowincome students that immediate the advice. Were thinking about technology. We have Great Innovation with the College Board to reach the young people through texts and video chats and others. The thing i love about my job is whether im going to high school and what i see is a spark between advisors and students. You see that over and over again and its our job to make sure it becomes fireworks. Rose and doesnt dim. Back to the four words we talk to and. Rose how did you know peter grauer. He is one of my champions. Rose he champions you, by the way. I can remember yesterday sitting with erskine boles. He said to me, nicole, you have a great idea, there is somebody you need to meet. I said, who is that . He said, peter grauer, everything he touches, its better. The best part about him is humility. The most important thing is grace and humility. Nobody wants to see a 23 year old go in and say i want to change the school. Its about changing the story and empathy and love. Peter walks this way through life. Back to the mentors, saying i believe in you, peter not only believes in our students, he believes in me, he makes me bring hi a game every day and thats invaluable. Rose your favorite course to instruct at u. V. A. Was the history of female saints. Because we need role models . Because because i think sometimes rose their stories confront issues that are vital to us . Thats right. A lot of time people think about male saints and the dominance of male saints. I used to show beautiful writings to mydent by women saints. We work hard to make sure women have more seats in board rooms and classes and other places and i want people to know that women have a beauty and a voice and thats not new. Rose and youre doing that. Thank you for coming. Thank you, charlie. Rose wonderful. If you want to connect with you, how do you connect with you . Happy to connect. Web site is advising corps. Org. Rose thank you. Thank you. Rose thank you for joining us. Well see you next time. For more about this program and earlier episodes, visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. 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