Of course, things like gaza, but also this sense that every four years democrats come begging to black folks to safe america and then black folks deliver and then no one delivers to them. and it seems like, you know, joe biden's not talking about racial inequality, there's been no police reforms, there's been no reforms on so many of the issues that black americans go to the ballot and vote for. we don't vetch a voting rights act. we don't veven a party that's willing to v protect our right o vote. so i think that that's what we're seeing. it's just a lot of apathy. folks feeling like -- >> yeah. >> -- just always being told you have to vote against someone. >>vo and not for. >> is not enough. >> all right, we have more to talk about on this conversation. i know you're busy with book tour. nicole hannah jones, author and creator of the 1619 project. and the great dolly. thank you for your time tonight. we will be right back. r time tonight. we will be right back. i work for the city of new york as a police administrator. i oversee approximately 20 people

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