helpful to be a student of the real civil rights movement rather than the mcdonald's commercial one. it shows you the kind of conflict that goes into making something that is worth it. something that is noble. something that is true. something that is democratic. something that is democratic. and it ain't fun all the time. i will say this, though -- we have a ball at ldf. just like and i are laughing right now. not because we think any of this is funny. >> you're a profoundly joyful person in hi interaction. >> yes, we have fun. >> i'm going say something. i have been obsessed with -- i don't know if you watched the beatles documentary, "get back." >> i haven't. i've watched clips. >> it's pretty amazing. they're fighting with each other, almost breaking up. >> and they're making songs. >> they're doing something -- they love each other. they love each other, and they're in conflict with each other and they're doing something beautiful with each other and all of that is together. that's kind of good democratic