some help pretty soon, he was going to go to the cops. >> okay. give me a call tomorrow and i'll see what i can do to help you, partner. >> reporter: but after all that, frank did not make the all important and incriminating call to fred schockner asking for money. and so the very next day uncle john tried again. >> hey, did you get a hold of fred? >> no, but between you and i, i don't mind taking care of him, bud. >> reporter: frank asked for time and agreed to meet uncle john in person to hand over some money. >> do you know where the thousand oaks mall's at? >> thousand oaks mall. >> it's off of lynn road. >> lynn? >> yes, off the 101. >> reporter: lynn road, the irony was apparently lost on frank jaramillo. it was mid-morning, late november. detective nelson was worried. would he show up? >> you sit in the parking lot by it was a mild day that yourself and you kind of go particular november 8th. over -- and sure, your heart races a little bit. california weather.

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