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any way. do you want to take a bet? what are we going to bed? is he going to testify? >> i will bet. >> you will take the bet? which side? >> i would put a lot of money on that. listen, he has said this before, in multiple contexts as you and i have observed over the years, beginning with the investigation by robert mueller. he likes to show that he is not fearful, that he is a strong and aggressive, and that he can testify and prove his innocence and exonerate himself. he never ends up doing it. it is very, very rare. he did it in a civil proceeding recently and it didn't go well for him. his lawyers, certainly -- and i guess you agree with this -- are telling him, do not testify under any circumstances. part of the reason to that is he subjects himself not only to withering cross-examination and scandalous details of this payment and the relationship with stormy daniels and everything else, but also to cross-examination of the bad axiom committed. you made a mention of the sandoval hearing. that hasn't been decided, yet. but, when someone decides to

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