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Democratic efforts to destroy President Trump more than they support winning back republican support in 2022, end quote. At this surreal headline in todays paper, the party of lincoln and reagan now formally and publicly holds the position that the deadly mob of people trying to overthrow the u. S. Government consisted of, quote, ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse. In case you missed that. The official position of the rnc now is that legitimate political discourse is what happened on january 6th. A day in which resulted in the deaths of at least five Police Officers and multiple insurrectionists including one who was shot and died while attempting to forcibly breach a barricaded area of the capitol building. According to the rnc, legitimate political discourse now includes publicly chanting a desire to hang the former Vice President mike pence. It also includes bringing a preconstructed gallows along. Ive never seen a gallows in my life, not in america. The rnc believes that legitimate political discourse results in the Vice President ushered away as you see here under guard for fear of his life. Yesterday just a couple of hours after that censure vote and the release of the antidemocratic government in a speech before the Federalist Society the former Vice President mike pence indirectly weighed in on the situation while offering his most public and straightforward repudiation of the insurrectionist former president acknowledging that the big lie is a threat to american democracy. 6 was a dark day in the history of the United States capitol. Lives were lost and many were injured. I heard this week that President Trump said i had the right to overturn the election. President trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election. The presidency belongs to the American People and the American People alone and frankly, there is no idea more unamerican than the notion that any one person could choose the american president. The truth is theres more at stake than our party or political fortunes. Men and women, if we lose faith in the constitution we wont just lose elections. Well lose our country. Quite something from the former Vice President. We will lose our country. In addition to those remarks the National Archives says that pences records will be turned over to the House Select Committee on march 3rd. We also know that pences former chief of staff, mark short someone who has firsthand knowledge of the former president s efforts to pressure pence to overturn the election recently appeared under subpoena. The select committee interviewed the former secretary of the army ryan mccarthy, the official in charge of making decisions about deploying National Guard troops. Youll remember they came quite late. Joining me now is democratic representative Stacy Plaskett of the United States virgin islands. She served as an Impeachment Manager in the second Impeachment Trial of donald trump. Representative plaskett, good to see you this morning. Thank you for being with us. The Vice President s comments, you are the person that americans remember as laying out exactly what happened in the in the congress on january 6th. We know that something happened to the Vice President. We know they were chanting hang mike pence. We know there was a gallots and he was ushered out to safety and the white house seemed to have zero interest in his safety. They didnt call him. He called them, but now you are hearing from the Vice President the strongest words yet that youre wrong. I wasnt authorized to do what i can do and where the Republican Party is into dangerous antidemocratic territory. Its good to be with you, and you know, this is just a culmination of something thats been happening for a number of years in the Republican Party. Lets recall that during president Obamas Administration Mitch Mcconnell said that he would be an obstructionist. That he would not work with democrats, that he was going to be the grim reaper in which no legislation would pass. Fast forward into when the republicans had a unified government and controlled the house, the senate and the white house. What did they do . They only took care of themselves with a tax legislation, and now we see that they were unwilling to lose the grips of power at the demise of our democracy. Theyre only concerned with power. Theyre only concerned with controlling our government and if they cannot have it they will destroy it and thats what weve seen that President Trump has done through so much information thats come out in january 6th that is validating the impeachment of that president and well show history will show that individuals who did not vote to convict him were absolutely wrong. Im curious about whether this rnc censure of your colleagues, liz cheney and Adam Kinzinger may be a bridge too far. I constantly hear from republicans that there is no real civil war going and its trumps party and yet there were a number of tweets as a result of this from republicans. Mitch romney tweeted, shame for those who seek truth in the sake of vitriol. Honor attaches to liz cheney and Adam Kinzinger even when it comes at great personal cost. The rnc is censuring liz cheney and Adam Kinzinger because its a sad day for my party and the country when youre punished just for expressing your beliefs and standing on principle and refusing to tell blatant lies. Tell me about this because on january 6th in 2021 all sorts of them said this is terrible and donald j. Trump himself and people who did this should pay the price. Everybody folded. Everybody flipped. Does this flip them back a little bit . Unfortunately, the individuals that you have cited as putting out tweets are cassidy as well as romney were the brave republicans who were willing to vote to convict the president in the impeachment, and we know that Governor Hogan has in the past come out against donald trump. So we dont see those individuals who have been lockstep behind the president after january 6th now turning and actually getting a spine. That has not happened, and i dont see it happening within the Republican Party. Its a sad day when we have the opposing party that is not only not playing by the rules, but actually going after our democracy. Im not convinced that the Republican Party has a way back anymore. It doesnt seem that thats possible. It is odd because im not sure a ton of my viewers think that mike pence was the guy who was going to save democracy or the Republican Party. You did say in your presentation during the impeachment in february of 2021, you said the mob was looking for Vice President pence because of his patriotism because the Vice President refused to do what the president demanded and overturned the election results. They were talking about assassinating the Vice President of the United States. We are more than a year later. This is literally a year after you said this. I suppose better late than never, but do you think mike pence saying what he said yesterday is of any consequence . Will it have any impact on anybody . Well, you know, im a pessimist, ali, and i fear that mike pence is really just trying to save himself in his own president ial bid. We know that hes been engaged in meetings in South Carolina where there is a huge republican primary. We dont have him willing to come and testify before the January 6th Commission and those individuals from his inner circle while they did testify refused to say specifically their conversations with President Trump so lets not hail him as the great hero at this point. We are grateful that he did not succumb to pressure from donald trump to follow suit and try to overthrow the government on january 6th, but is he going to be the patriot that we see Adam Kinzinger or liz cheney and actually outright repudiating the president and what he said . Thats yet to be seen. Representative Stacy Plaskett, democratic representative for the u. S. Virgin islands. Thank you for being with us. We always appreciate your time on a weekend morning. Joining me is Yamiche Alcindor and is also an msnbc contributor and will soon join us as nbcs washington correspondent, my friend, it is always a pleasure to work with you, however it comes to be. Im dying for your take on everything that weve heard in the last week. There have been very detailed reports published about the stuff that was going on sort of from about midnovember of 2020 until january 6th and with each passing day, with each layer of the onion that peels back it seems closer and closer to donald trump knowing what was going on and perhaps having an orchestrating role in it. Well, this last week has been extraordinary because we kind of thought we knew how bad things were were. We thought we knew because former President Trump was tweeting about everturning the election something no american president has ever done which is declare victory on Election Night even though he had not won the election and here we go with memos that show that there were people, it was in the government, not just President Trump, but aides, lawyers and other people around him that were thinking of using the powers of the nsa to try to somehow overturn the election and there was this Draft Executive Order and they were talking about taking over the voting machines. I think this is why lawmakers were so insistent including representative cheney and Adam Kinzinger that were extraordinarily rebuked by their own party and they were so insistent saying we need an investigation and we need documents and we need far beyond tweets and rhetoric and far beyond rallies to hold the atmosphere that was working against american democracy and the will of the people. This is interesting because you must have had similar discussions i had post the impeachment where a lot of people said we have the impeachment and he was impeached and everything that needed to be out there is out there. Why dont we move on. Democrats are still trying to live in the past because in fact, what we have found from the January 6th Investigation so far and we still have not had public hearings other than the first day and we still have not a report from them is much, much, much more detailed than what weve had before. We now know that the ceo of overstock was involved in these meetings with michael flynn. The cyber ninja guy was involved in plotting all this nonsense that led to him getting a big contract and that Sydney Powell and rudy giuliani. Its unbelievable the number of people who were pitching a different idea and hour with donald trump . Will things change when it becomes more public when its press report after press report and its after january 6th in your committee. Isnt that the question of our generation of this moment . Will things actually change. Based on my conversations with republicans especially the ones that watch mike pence who at once was downplaying the january 6th insurrection saying they were talking about it too much in the press and finally finds a moment when he can admit reality that donald trump is wrong and no one has the power to overturn the election . Based on my conversation with those sort of republicans and those sort of conservatives and until something drastic happens and an insurrection is not draftic and just pause to remember that, they were saying that President Trump will continue to have the power. I do hear some people saying that there are some issues with vaccines which is not specifically related to january 6th, but this idea that former President Trump is having a break with his party and his followers because hes saying that he will take the vaccine and people were angry with him about that issue, but when it comes to january 6th and what well learn about the insurrection it doesnt team like the party including the rnc will be moved by that. I have to tell you when i saw mike pence yesterday say that my head started spinning for two reasons, first he was actually saying that and then my head started spinning because my head was spinning on something that was right. We grow up in times when two impeachments and an intent to incite an insurrection is career ending, but its 2022. Yamiche alcindor is moderator of news this week on pbs and a soontobe resident on msnbc news. We welcome you with open arms. Well talk to a lawmaker on the literal front lines of trying to change that and the release of Body Camera Footage showing the last moments of a young black mans life has reignited criticism over socalled noknock warrants. New reporting that some portions of the Russian Military along the Ukraine Border have reached full combat strength and the latest on the crisis overseas is next. E crisis overseas is next you could save up to fortyfive percent. man thats a whole lot of discounts. burke well, we offer coverage for a whole lot of things, and you could save a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks. kid sup, dad burke seventeencar garage you got there . We are farmers bumpadum, bumbumbumbum people with moderate to severe psoriasis, are rethinking the choices they make like the splash they create the entrance they make, the surprises they initiate. Otezla. Its a choice you can make. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats Plaque Psoriasis differently. 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According to the times, quote, though the kremlins intensions are unclear, ukrainian officials are now newly worried about the Crimian Peninsula where russia has deployed 10,000 additional troops. Back in december we first reported that putin had shipped about 90,000 troops to ukraines eastern border. Just over two months later there are now more than 130,000 troops stationed along ukraines east, North And South all of which border either russia or belarus. On thursday the u. S. Accused russia of hatching an elaborate plot to fake an attack by Russian Troops by Ukrainian Forces to justify a russianenvation to ukraine. They planned to use a fake propaganda video with actors dressed like ukrainian militia and russian soldiers purpose they were calling them nonsense and speculation. Joining me is a pulitzer prizewinning pentagon correspondent, and helena, we have been saying that rausch is on the brink of invasion for a couple of weeks now. Can russia have these 130,000 troops on the Iranian Border for weeks and months and do nothing and keep the world on edge like its doing now . Thats a great question. Hi, thanks for having me, ali. Thats a great question and its something that the short answer would be sure theyre good, but the long answer is that gets really expensive. Youre looking at Russian Troops who theyve been there for, what . Its been 30 days now and more and more are coming every day, but its very cold. Theyre not in hardship conditions. Theyre not in, you know, theyre not, like dug into trenches and stuff like this at this point. Theyre still in camps, so its not as bad as it could be, but you do have to start thinking about morale. At this point, i think the intel and the analysts and american officials assume that Vladimir Putin can keep them there for a while longer. The conventional wisdom says that the while russia can go over the border at any time that they want, the optimal conditions would begin around February 15th when the ground and ukraine is completely frozen. Its freezing now, but its not at the frozen point and then you have from February 15th to the end of march where you would have frozen, and thats the best sort of those are the best conditions for big tanks going over because the rivers are frozen and ukraine has a lot of rivers for big tanks to go over. You dont have to worry that the Ukrainian Military might blow up bridges and that sort of thing and you optimal maneuverability and theres also the Beijing Olympics issue because on a country that Vladimir Putin really needs is alienating china at a time when hes almost assuredly heading into sanctions, its not the best idea. Helene, theres some disagreement about what to do about this. In a recent piece you wrote with the New York Times, you write the allies are divided on what kind of response would be triggered by a short of war action. What does that tell us about the ways the allies are divided . What do they need to do to find Common Ground if there isnt actually a war, but russia continues to increase its pressure on ukraine . Thats where it gets really tricky for nato because if russia just nato is, what . How many countries . 32 or something . Ill say it and of course, probably get it wrong, but youre looking at all of these different democracies that are coming into this with their own views and their own fears. So a lot of these countries, one of them being in particular germany are more skittish about really alienating russia, and affect their economy and you have the North Stream Pipeline and the thing like a coalition of nato is you have to go down to the last common denominator. If Vladimir Putin called it a little bit and a minor incursion and going in the border and i think at that point he has a better chance of fracturing nato because while the United States and maybe the uk and other countries might say then we still go and this is a huge violation of sovereignty and any crossing of the border is a definite, big violation of ukrainian sovereignty and we should go to maximum sanctions. You may have a few other countries, perhaps germany saying not so fast. This is such a big deal that we will have this huge global power standoff. If mr. Putin goes for the whole hog, he and the toppling of the Ukrainian Government and a conquer and occupation of the entire country, that actually has a better chance of uniting nato in a strong response, but it would also be catastrophically you would see a catastrophic humanitarian situation with 1 million to 2 million, with 1 million to 2 million refugees is one of the estimates ive heard. Youve heard huge numbers of casualties on both sides, so its almost as if the worstcase scenario might bring the best outcome for unity, and it wont bring it for civilian reasons. Helene, we always appreciate your insight and analysis. Helene cooper is a pulitzer prizewinning correspondent for the New York Times. You know their name, and you know what they fought for, but the battle about the right to vote is not something that just exists in the pages of a u. S. History book. It is happening today. S happeni. Sorry, one sec. Doug blows several different whistles. Doug blows several different whistles. [a vulture squawks. ] there he is. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, Liberty Mission control, we are go for launch. Only pay for what you need. Um, shes eating the rocket. Lunchables built to be eaten. Ive got moderate to severe Plaque Psoriasis. Now, theres skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90 clearer skin at 4 months, after just 2 doses. 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Martin luther king, john lewis, Fanny Lou Haimer and other civil rights leaders and they were fighting an openly unjust system that shut out generations of black voters and that they literally had to put their bodies on the line, getting arrested in many cases, in order to triumph over that injustice. Fast forward nearly 60 years and the fights not over. Donald trumps big lie has millions convinced that our elections are rigged and state level republican lawmakers across the country are responding by trying to make voting harder in large part for voters of color with over 30 bills actively targeting and restricting Voting Rights. Meanwhile, the freedom to vote act and the john lewis Voting Rights advancement act are still being blocked in the senate. All of this puts access to the ballot at risk for Many Americans particularly minorities and those for marginalized communities and lo and behold some of those protesting for equal rights of all americans are being taken away in handcuffs in 2022 just like my next guest who youre looking at there was recently. Joining us now is democratic congressman jamal bowman from new york. Hes the vice chair of the house education and Labor Committee and a former middle school principal. Representative bowman, good to see you this morning. Good to see you, as well. I missed you, brother. Thanks for having me. I missed you, too. You and i always talk about other political stuff and we dont talk about what we need to talk about. I am surprised about the people arrested fighting for Voting Rights and it feels like News Reporting from the 1960s. Whats happening today . What are things getting you arrested and how are they moving the needle . As we know, donald trump happened. As we know, qanon happened, and as we know a big lie and the insurrectionists happened and unfortunately, we are still a country who has not grappled with our history in an open and honest way. Thats one of the reasons why we are still out there protesting. We are still out there getting arrested. People are going on Hunger Strike for several weeks and its just another reminder that democracy is a contact sport. Its something that we need to be engaged in and part of each and every day and in terms of that history and its why they introduced the africanAmerican History act because we have to accurately teach American History and accurately teach africanAmerican History To Tell The Truth and move forward as the nation that were supposed to be. I got a screen up there in the africanamerican act, investing 10 million over five years for the National Museum of africanamerican culture and supporting the museum efforts to include resources and curriculum. You are an educator and my only hope today in this messed up political system that we have is the kids might save us one day and yet there is a very determined effort to stop that from happening. This history that we dont fully understand yet and i hope we learn more of, folks are trying to stop that. The kids have to save us. I repeat, the kids have to save us. We must listen to them because theyre telling us what we need to know. The reason why we have mass incarceration and a school to prison pipeline, the reason why we have a rise in Mental Health concerns and issues amongst our kids. The reason why black and latino kids are suspended and expelled at a higher rate beginning in prekindergarten is because we are not connecting with them with our School Curriculum by teaching them their history and their culture, and when youre a black person or latino, asian or what have you and you dont learn about yourself you have no sense of identity and you feel lost within the School System and within your country and you end up making poor decisions. I connect this directly to gun violence. If we have a stronger curriculum and the sense of identity and community, we are less likely to commit harm against that community and its the same thing as a country. We need to be honest about our identity as a country so we can heal as a country. When you say people need to get involved and getting arrest side a choice that you made and a choice that your numbers congress made. Its a hard choice. For some people it would ruin their lives and careers and what are the other basic ways that people can participate. Youre in education and local elections get virtually no turnout in this country which means you can win a local election with 5 of the vote or 10 of the vote and yet people dont go out to vote and they dont go to the School Board Meetings and is that a good starting place for my viewers . So, absolutely. Voting in any and everything is really important, but showing up to School Board Meetings, just to listen and learn and raise your voice in connection with the topics that are being discussed, thats really important, too. So School Board Meetings, Community Board meetings, pta meetings, state, county and city meetings, just be in the building, if you can or on zoom if you have to be on zoom. Be involved in a campaign, do Postcard Writing and knock on a couple of doors and youll see how empowered you feel even by knocking on two or three doors and thats whats needed now because if people sit on the sidelines, the insurrectionists are going to win this big lie and this battle and take our democracy and replace it with White Nationalism and fascism and i cant make that happen. You are here on the day that we are launching the velshi book club. What is your Favorite Book thats challenged or banned right now . The miseducation of the negro by carter woodson. I dont know if its banned and also happy birthday to trayvon martin. Its ten years since the horrible tragedy took place. Happy birthday, trayvon martin. Congressman, good to have you on the show and its good to have time to explore things beyond what happened in congress this week. Please join us when you can. Congressman Jamaal Bowman of new york. 22yearold black man was shot dead by Police Serving a noknock warrant. Well tell you amir lockes story when we come back. Lockes story when we come back. [bacon sizzles] [bacon sizzles] [electronic music plays] [bacon sizzles] [electronic music plays] woo vo americas most Reliable Network is going ultra with verizon 5g Ultra Wideband now in many more cities so you can do more. Hey, its mindy downloading a movie up to 10 times faster than before. Oh, is that the one where the mom becomes a. mindy yep vo i knew it and claire in hd clarity. Steve, is that jelly . This place is packed you couldnt even send a text in a crowd before. Now look at david with the connection. Posting like crazy david its wild. vo 5g Ultra Wideband is now in more and more places. Verizon is going ultra, so you can too. This week we saw yet another black man die at the hands of minneapolis police. It was captured on body cam video. On wednesday morning before 7 00 a. M. 22yearold amir locke was sleeping on a sofa at his friends apartment when a s. W. A. T. Team burst into his home into the home, it was not his home. Police say locke pointed a loaded gun in the direction of officers at which point they shot him multiple times. However, the footage released on thursday puts that account into question. Its fairly disturbing so well only use still images of it. It shows a team of officers using a key to unlock the front door and they announce themselves only as they enter, feet away from where locke is laying wrapped in a blanket they yell Police Search warrant. Get on the ground and one officer kicks the back of the couch and making the gun that emerged from the blanket and the video ends. The entire encounter took less than ten seconds. The police tried to immediately render aid, but locke died later at a nearby hospital. He suffered two wounds to the chest and one to the right wrist. The minneapolis p. D. Set out that morning to execute a morning for the neighboring st. Paul Police Homicide unit. Officials confirmed that locke was never named in the warrant, they were not being looking for him. According to the attorney, locke had a license to carry the firearm and had no criminal record. Its been met with a outcry. The death of Breonna Taylor in 2020 also while she was sleeping. The mayor of minneapolis imposed a moratorium on noknock warrant, in order to execute a noknock warrant during a moratorium there must be an imminent threat of harm and the warrant must be approved directly by the chief of police. Lockes death will be reviewed by the states top cop. Minnesota attorney general Keith Ellison says hell partner with the Attorneys Office to get to the bottom of this. He led the Derek Chauvin and kim potter both who were charged respectively. Joining me is Tiffany Cross, host of the Cross Connection on msnbc. This case is so demoralizing to see this over and over. Keith ellison used to be a congressman, as well so hes very familiar with federal law, and well talk about the amir locke murder on the Cross Connection and ill be joined by the president of the Minnesota Association of black lawyers, frank abuaono. Ask what is going on with the minneapolis police. I have not heard a lot of outrage from the nra on this considering that according to his family and attorneys he was licensed to carry that firearm. Plus, ali, i dont know if you noticed this, but there are a lot of ed cares leaving the classroom. Ill talk to a Virginia School teacher and president Becky Pringle about why so many educators are leaving the classroom at record rates. Youve seen a lot of this crazy footage as i have with parents outraged at School Boards and white parents enraged over crts and we have to mix it up with a lot of culture and comedy and to do that well have actress Cheryl Lee Ralph whose latest role on screen is an educator and shell join me to talk about abbott elementary. Yet again, i was in hair and makeup taking forever because i said wait a second, ali has yamiche on and ali is talking about this other thing i didnt know and i was late for my tease. Thank you, my friend. Your show is always amazing. Theres not much advice, but i could if you had time some time and i can explain to you how i manage to spend less time in hair these days than i used to. Good to see you, my friend. You, too, ali. Thanks for being with us. Well see you at the top of the hour. Tiffany cross, stay tuned for more tiffany and the Cross Connection starts at 10 00 a. M. Eastern. Optimistic growth for Black Americans and im thinking its not enough. 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Black workers have remained at an Unemployment Rate at twice as high for white workers and the Unemployment Rate is far lower than black workers have ever experienced. The chart, let me show you another chart. The Labor Force Participation rate for hispanic, asian and Black And White workers. Lets zero in on the white workers, which is the green line over here. Once again, black Labor Force Participation did rise 62 now in january, which is the same as white workers, but the disparity between the two lines over the past year is clear. White workers consistently and continually outpaced their im not saying this new data is not optimistic or not good news but when youre trying to close a gap, Something Else needs to happen. Were seeing a bit of growth in a community thats been disproportionately impacted time and time again. The pandemic is the latest example. One example i want to show you and perhaps its the most crucial and telling. Its about wealth. The unequal distribution which is at historic and frightening levels. Half of americans hold just 2 of all the nations wealth and communities of color, hispanics in gold and blacks in red, hold just a fraction of that. This chart shows how stark Wealth Inequality really is indicating that the average Household Wealth for white, black and hispanic families, white families are at the top of the chart. 1. 3 million in Household Wealth. Black families, the number is just about 300,000. Its a difference of more than four times. What can be raise these boats so badly that need a lift. After the break aisle be joined by someone who has answers to those fundamental questions. Bill rogers is leading a Team Collecting Wealth in order to see how people of color are being held back from fully participating in this growing economy. Participating in this growing economy. I have friends. [ chuckles ] well, he may have friends, but he rides alone. 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Well, how much time do we have . Its great to see you. I do have to preface my remarks by saying these are my own personal views. They dont represent the policy of the views of the bank in st. Louis or this Federal Reserve system. What comes to mind when what you showed there is several words, scaffolding, foundation, structure. Particularly structural. What youre honing in on and wanting us to focus on is the structural challenges that blacks face and they have historically faced. Theres this amazing essay that dr. King wrote back in 1966 for the nation magazine. He talks about how its harder to create jobs than it is to create voter rolls. Now some would question that statement now because of whats been happening with people being challenged about voting but his Central Point was that if you look at blacks then and the statistics you compare to now, very, very similar. The Unemployment Rates are lower. Also if you look at a living wage, smaller share of black families have access to a living wage. How do we do this . In our institute, ray and his colleague theyve published a really outstanding volume on wealth and approaches to improving wealth and addressing this gap. Some of these policies are approaches or really practices too focus on right from cradle, right from birth providing opportunity for growing wealth. 529s which exist. Those are examples and i urge people to read that. From the standpoint of the labor market, showed growth, showed good growth coming out at the end but we have to continue to do better job on making sure that workplaces are fair and also safe. Let me ask you about when you look at the various places. You look at the various numbers we get. The Unemployment Rate itself. The Work Force Participation rate. The wage rates, the wealth disparities. Are they all connected . Whats the one you hone in on on wanting to fix . You can have lower levels of black unemployment but if black people are not earning the same amount of money, you dont close the wealth gap. Yeah. Unfortunately, theres no Silver Bullet as i wrote a couple of years ago. Theres no Silver Bullet. You have to have this comprehensive, 360 Degree Approach whether its from Cradle To Grave and talk about how do you improve Economic Security at these various junctures or the work of jon powell where the focus is about how do we improve belonging. We want to improve the ability of families to have access to pay their budget times. Thats what they call a. L. I. C. E. Most of them we know alice, your viewers know alice. These are people who dont have enough income to make the resources go. Its always god to talk to you. This isnt enough time to solve this problem. Lets have this Conversation Lot and lots and you and i have done over the years. That does it for me. Thank you for watching. Catch me here tomorrow morning from 8 00 to 10 00. 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