Good evening from new york, im chris hayes, breaking news tonight, the Associated Press citing three Administration Officials that white house lawyers have instructed the president s aides to preserve materials that could be connected to russian interference in the 2016 election and other related investigations. Much more on that story ahead but first, if, like the president of the United States, you are the kind of person that judges success solely by television ratings, then the president s address to a joint session of congress was a flop. It drew a significantly smaller audience than president obamas first address by about 9 . Viewership notwithstanding, professional observers have showered last nights speech with praise for avoiding the president s usual bombast, offering what they said was an optimistic vision for americas future. But while there was no talk of american carnage last night, make no mistake, that was the same donald trump advancing the same agenda. Oddly, the best assessment of the speech came from the white house itself. The washington posts robert costa reporting some sources in white house are frankly surprised at how pundits are warming to the speech, say trump has not changed, no big shift in policy coming. This from bloombergs joshua green, seen your white house official described trumps speech to me as nationalism with an indoor voice. That quote is revealing for numerous reasons, chief among them that indoor voice is a term associated with getting toddlers to behave. The president s rhetorical shift cannot disguise the substancive the core of the speech and this presidency to date. Take for example the way it started with a long overdue acknowledgment of the attack on two indian men in kansas being investigated as a hate crime and the countless incidents of antisemitic threats of vandalism and threats around the country. This is the first time the president addressing the shooting which took place a week ago. Before that, the white house only gave vague statements glossing over the racial aspect of the attack in which the gunman reportedly yelled get out of my country. Any loss of life is tragic. The president condemns all acts of violence against the American People. Earlier today before denouncing antisemitic attacks in the speech, the president appeared to suggest in a meeting with state attorneys general that those attacks were some kind of false flag operations. He said sometimes its the reverse to make people or to make others look bad according to the attorney general of pennsylvania. Thats something the president has suggested before. Some of the signs youll see are not put up by the people that love or like donald trump, theyre put up by the other side and you think its like playing it straight. No. It wont be my people. It will be the people on the other side to anger people like you. For all of its conventional rhetoric, last nights speech presented the same vision of a country whose very existence is constantly threatened by the invasion of some other who looks different or practices a different religion. The president , guided by a militarized americafirst philosophy determined to protect quote unquote americans from that threat. The president S New National security adviser h. R. Mcmaster reportedly advised the president last week to stop using the phrase radical islamic terrorism calling it unhelpful. The president went ahead and used it anyway warning against allowing a beachhead of terrorism to form inside america. He proposed not just a wall on the southern border but a massive overhaul of the Legal Immigration system which would change which populations are allowed into the country and though several studies over many years have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the u. S. The president distorted the facts to portray undocumented immigrants as violent criminals. He highlighted a new office created by his executive order from his office to spread antiimmigrant propaganda. I have proposed an office called voice victims of immigration crime engagement. We are providing a voice to those who have been ignored by our media and silenced by special interests. Im joined by joshua green, Senior National correspondent for bloomberg businessweek. Josh, youve profiled both bannon and Stephen Miller and there was talk that this wasnt a Bannon Miller speech but i think maybe rhetorically it wasnt but substantively it seemed to be. Thats exactly right. If you look at what trump did in ways large and small, it was clear he was hewing to his economic nationalist positions. The very first thing he did was welcome citizens of america. Not my fellow of america, citizens of america. I dont think that was an accident and if you went on to listen to what he said in the speech, everything from the props he had, the people whose relatives have been killed by undocumented immigrants and the policies he laid out which were very protectionist this was as the white house source told me, nationalism with an indoor voice, with the volume ratcheted down for a congressional audience instead of a stadium audience but fundamentally the same kinds of things trump has been saying all along. We get to the immigration part, its really important for people to note i want to play this clip of bannon and miller talking about immigration. Theres lots of ways you can think about immigration, a lot of times its couched as unauthorized immigrants are breaking the law but i think bannon and miller believe something deeper about the threat that even Legal Immigration poses to the country. Take a listen. Isnt the beating heart of this problem right now the real beating heart of it of what weve got to get sorted here is not ilLegal Immigration, as horrific as that is, and its horrific. Dont we have a problem, weve looked the other way on this Legal Immigration that overwhelmed the country. When you have 20 of the country is immigrants, is that not a massive problem . You were with jigs for many, many, many years, is that not the beating heart of this problem. Well, yes, its mindboggling and it is someone that obviously ive talked about before at some length on your program. I mean, that is pretty clear, isnt it, josh . Absolutely. The economic nationalist world view as envisioned by bannon and miller is not just about deport ing ilLegal Immigrations, its about lessening Legal Immigration, people they think are competing with marginalized u. S. Workers. In fairness, there are some liberal economists that say yes, it would be good to tighten the labor market by keeping out some of these lowskilled workers who compete with americans and drive down wages, but i think miller and bannon take it much, much further and not just immigrants but even refugees which i talk about in my cover story with miller. He said one of the rationales for banning migrants from the seven countries they tried the ban the executive order was look, these refugees come in and they take benefits that are ought to rightfully belong to amican citizens. We could also note this. The data on sort of wage competition of the low end of wage scales is pretty muddy about what immigration does and the effect is less than i think a lot of people presume. But bannon also said you have a problem with Silicon Valley with too many asians, basically. Im paraphrasing but that was the point, a nation is more than a nation more than an economy, its got to be something other than that and theres too many asians running around Silicon Valley. That was certainly the way it came off. Having talked to miller about in in some detail for the piece, i think a more polite way of putting it is that they have concerns not just about lowskilled immigrants, agricultural workers, that sort of thing but also on h1b visa reform and essentially want to do everything they can, as miller put it, to protect the jobs of american citizens in america. And that means in a lot of cases closing off the borders, rounding up and deporting people who dont belong here and are potential threats both economic threats, and this is a particular fixation of millers, also physical threats. It was no accident that trump in his campaign and in a speech last night ahad there physicall present with him people whose children have been killed by undocumented immigrants. He wants to viv phi the human cost of immigration in hopes that will change and sway Public Opinion against it. Very clearly what he wants to do. Joshua green, thanks for your time, appreciate it. Thank you. Joining me now, msnbc contributor annan gear did das. Okay, you were in a tussle with the white house about the shooting in olaf, kansas, trying to get a statement from them. What happened . I was writing a piece which ran yesterday in the the atlantic about those shootings and Donald Trumps silence, only broken late last night and more importantly about Donald Trumps enabling of the culture in this which that vie lerchs took place. So i called the white house at 6 47 a. M. Yesterday saying that this piece was coming and i thought id give them a softball. Theyre not good at this stuff that involves nonwhite people so i said is there any aspect of the crime in kansas or the motivation behind it, any aspect, you can pick one, that the president disavows. You dont have to disavow the whole thing. Any piece of it. Talking about a murder, to be clear. He could have disavowed that part a or the part where the killer went up and asked for their visas, so the white house takes ten and a half hours of not respding. I confirmed they got my email, still dont respond. The piece comes out, goes up online i get an email saying the president cob dems all acts of violence against the American People. I looked at the statement and i thought wow, these are dark geniuses because i asked about a crime against two foreigners attacked for their foreignness and in a very carefully crafted statement back said he condemns violence against the American People. Which categorically does not include the individuals who were murdered the individuals murdered and shot. And whats amazing to me but then he comes out and the first paragraph is a condemnation of that and the antisemitic attacks and everyone says oh, theres this guy, atta boy. What was your reaction . The perfect journalist for the Trump Administration is the am knees yak. The person who has the eternal sunshine of the spotless mind, wakes up everyday and is willing to look at optics and look at how todays narrative is different than the narratives before and run with it. So today you heard a man last night who was able to read from a tell plomter full sentences. Didnt seemingly attack people in a simple way. A and it was amazing to watch this army of am knees yaks forgetting russian meddling, forgetting misogyny, forgetting the white nationalistover tones and undertones of this race. But part of that i want to ask you about another thing so ill put a pin in that so i dont forget but it seems important to distinguish between the substance of the speech and whether people are analyzing whether its politically effective, the kinds of arguments that joshua green was advancing which i think is wrong, i think immigration is a benefit socially culturally politically to america. Youd be talking to a chair if my parents hadnt been all allowed to immigrate. But that argue, america for americans, america first, why cant we take care of our own people for once, there is a political potency that folks who oppose that agenda should not underestimate. Yes and by the way i think personally there is a out there in the world a positive version of that. I dont think by the way, i agree steve bannon and i had a weird dialogue for several years until he decided to go the way he has. I agree that american sovereignty and the sovereignty of many countries has been eroded by Global Market forces and multilateral bodies and Big Companies but hes going back to the oldest darkestays of White Nationalism dressed up a restoring sovereignty movement. This is not that. Anand giridharads, always good to have you. Author of true america which is a fantastic book. Up next, the president cited his defense chief on the large amount of vital intelligence in the yemen raid that claimed the life of a navy seal. Tonight, ten senior officials claim essentially the opposite. Then, senator Tammy Duckworth with harsh words for our commanderinchief in two minutes. Whole day stops. Awww. Try this. For minor arthritis pain, only aleve is fda approved to work for up to 12 straight hours with just one pill. Thank you. Come on everybody. Aleve. Live whole. Not part. With a crust made chfrom scratche and mixes crisp vegetables with all white meat chicken, and bakes it to perfection. Because making the perfect dinner isnt easy as pie but finding someone to enjoy it with sure is. Marie callenders. Its time to savor. Im ricardo, a sales and Service Consultant here at the xfinity store in bellevue, washington. Here at the store, we offer internet, tv, phone, customer service, home security. Every situation is a little different. 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Not in the audience last night was owens father who refused to meet with the president when ryan owens body was returned to the United States in a flagdraped casket. Bill owens questions the president s decision to authorize the mission telling the miami herald why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasnt even barely a week into the administration . Why . For two years prior there were no boots on the ground in yemen, everything was missiles and drones because there was not a target worth one american life. Now all of a sudden we had to make this grand display . Tonight, contrary to the president s remarks to Congress Last night, 10 10 senior officials tell nbc news that no actionable or vital intelligence has so far been gleaned from the yemen raid. Trumps comments about owens overshadowed his remarks earlier in the day when he was asked about bill owens criticism of a mission in which a senior military official told nbc news almost everything went wrong. This was a mission that was started before i got here. This was something that was, you know, just they wanted to do. And they came to see me, they explained what they wanted to do, the generals, who were very respected, my generals are the most respected that weve had in many decades, i believe. And they lost ryan. Joining me now, democratic senator Tammy Duckworth of illinois, veteran of the iraq war. Senator, before we get to your reaction to the speech last night, i wanted to get your reaction to what the president said earlier in the day and the way he characterized the Decision Making behind the raid that ended the life of a man from illinois, ryan owen. Well, it seems like, chris, that he was trying to push off the responsibility of the raid to the commanders at the pentagon and, frankly, hes the commander in chief of our entire military, he needs to take responsibility for the raid and, frankly, whether or not that raid accomplished its mission, that navy seal is still a hero. Last night, that moment in which he mentioned or sort of honored theidow o. Mr. Owen how did that moment strike you . Obviously it was incredibly intense emotionally. She is obviously in the throes of tremendous grief. Its really been just a few weeks. What did you think about that moment . Well, i think we should always honor our fallen. The chief was a tremendous hero. He had served on Many Missions before then, i think it was a moment of genuine emotion on her part and the part of the members in that room who were applauding her and his service and were honoring his service but at the end of the day i think the president needs to act like the commander in chief that he is and lets figure out whats happened, why it did not accomplish its mission and figure out what we can do better next time so there is no loss of life and equipment and that we can achieve the mission. Previously the white house suggested those who ask the questions about the raid and what it accomplished were doing disservice to the memory of ryan owen. What do you say to that . That shows how it will it will white house knows and understands our military. Everyone who wears a uniform of this great nation serves with honor. I do not agree with the war in iraq yet i was proud to serve. I didnt give up my legs and bleed for the war in iraq, i gave up my legs and bled for my country and the chief laid down his life and gave his last full measure of devotion to this great nation and that should be honored. That aside, what we can do to honor his sacrifice in addition to what we did last night is to make sure that we never let a mission go in the same manner again. We need to look and see what happened, the president seems to say he didnt authorize the mission but yet he did. We need to take a look and see whats going on there. Let me ask you this. This is part of a posture towards counterterrorism, the use of targeted kill teams, sometimes through drones, sometimes through air power, sometimes through deployment of Ground Troops in raids such as this. That was vastly expanded during the Obama Administration. What do you think about that power to essentially strike anywhere in the world at any time in the hands of this president . Well, you know, i i believe in the power and efficiency of our military, i am concerned that we have a commanderinchief right now who does not act like a commander in chief, one who after authorizing a raid then denies he authorized the raid and tries to put the blame on someone else and when you question it then try to call you unpatriotic for questioning it. At the end of the day he needs to be the commanderinchief. After all, there are many more men and women in harms way right now and by the way, chris, this is the same man who just recently said our military doesnt fight to win and never wins. If thats the case, why is he keeping our young m and women in harms way right now . Bring them home. I couldnt disagree with him more so im concerned about a commanderinchief who doesnt act like one. Senator Tammy Duckworth, thank you very much, appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up, a flood of latebreaking news on the investigations of the Trump Campaign ties to russia as republicans quietly kill an effort to get more information into the trump russia investigation. Well talk about all of it ahead. Proof of less joint pain and clearer skin. This is my body of proof that i can take on Psoriatic Arthritis with humira. Humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. Its proven to help relieve pain, stop further joint damage, and clear skin in many adults. Humira is the 1 prescribed biologic for Psoriatic Arthritis. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. 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President trumps executive order temporarily banning refugees and residents of seven majority muslim countries from entering the United States ran into almost immediate legal trouble in large part because it was reportedly rushed through the interagency process and released before it was ready. The white house argued the speed was absolutely necessary because the country was in peril. After the ban was blocked the president went so far as to tweet because the ban was lifted by a judge many very bad and dangerous people may be pouring into our country, a terrible decision. Its making sure we dont have regret that a month from now, two monthfrom now or a year from now we hadntone something to protect people so he acted as quick and decisively as possible to make sure we put the systems in place to protect our people. Quick and decisive. 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We should help americans purchase their own coverage through the use of tax credits and expanded Health Savings accounts but it must be the plan they want not the plan forced on them by our government. Today Republican Leaders met behind closed doors amid the same concerns they had before last nights speech which is whether theyll have the votes to finally repeal obamacare. The Washington Examiner now reporting the plan to do so will come tomorrow but heres the catch, it will be under proverbial lock and key. It would be made available thursday morning to republicans in a basement room of an Office Building that adjoins the capitol no one is getting a copy. Joining me now, congressman michael burgess, republican from texas, chairman of the subcommittee on health and longest serving doctor in congress. Congressman chris, good to see you again. Good to see you, too. I havent been on with you in a while. The last time i was on they clipped our banter and used it as promotional video. We can make more Television Magic again tonight. Heres my question to you i thought i damaged your ratings. You did great. Why would they keep this plan under such closely held lock and key . Its good toing p ees going to point, you guys are going to vote on it, ma inthe American People should vote on it. Not my decision and i found out about it this afternoon and my advice, should anyone wish to take it, is that people need to have access to this document and if there are problems lets talk through them. Its been a long time in the works, most of the pieces that are in there people have seen in one form or another in the past but it does need to be an open process. So you think its a mistake to keep it under lock and key . Well, i do think the leaking of an archive draft last week was unfortunate. I dont think it helped anything to be perfectly honest with you but at the same time i dont think you prevent that with the cloakanddagger stuff. I was in a different meeting with the Republican Study Committee at that time. Had anyone asked my advice but lets show our work. Its time. Put your pencils down and turn your paper in. That is you could not have said it better. Speaking of which where are we on Medicaid Expansion . Im confused. Well, the broader bill clearly contains some medicaid entitlement reform, very difficult to get to that portion in the discussion if you dont deal with the issue of expansion states versus nonexpansion states and there are im going to speak Senate Language for a moment because this is being done under reconciliation which only requires 51 senate votes in favor but still even with the expansion versus nonexpansion states, if they are firmly opposed to each other youre not going to get to that magic 51 number. If you have 19 senators in expansion states then 19 states that didnt expand. So theres a theres obviously theres going to have to be the needle is going to have to be threaded. I want to get to broader entitlement reform so its important we do bridge this gap and there are proposals that are being discussed to get us to that point. I cant say that anything is final but there has been positive movement. Im confused on this point so i want to make sure im understand where youre coming from. What im hearing from you is there is an irreconcilable political problem which is you wont get the votes you need in the senate if you take away medicaid that states that already have it. Its not irreconcilable but it requires skill to get that done and i cant say to you that were there but there are certainly there have been discussions that would lead me to think its possible to get there. The point is, for someone who believes very strongly in entitlement reform, as i do, i dont get to have that discussion if i dont get through this problem first. So let me ask you this, because i think that relates to something the Vice President said today, mike pence. No one is going to fall through the crack which is i think is a powerful and important principle. There are people out there who have children born in a nicu, people on the Medicaid Expansion. People who are can i stop you there for a second . Yes. Children, of course, blind and disabled, frail, elderly, those folks are on the legacy Medicaid Programs if you will, those are not expansion populations. Theyre never at risk. Never at risk. I meant that in terms of lifetime caps and preexisting conditions which are covered under the nonmedicaid part but even for part of the medicaid, people in the expanded pool, there are people watching this right now saying is my Health Insurance going to be taken away . Youre saying were going to thread the needle and the Vice President says no one will fall through the cracks. Does that mean if you have insurance right now through the Medicaid Expansion you, michael burgess, and your republican colleagues will not take it away . The ability to put new people on one of the expansion programs could perhaps be limited. Most states do require a reenrollment episode to occur mostly on a yearly basis. It is a possibility that you could limit future enrollment, not take anything away from anyone who has it right now. In the expansion popationnly but in that expansion popution people could lose their care. People who dont reenroll, who drop off for whatever reason, maybe they get employer sponsored Health Insurance and no longer need medicaid, those people would not come back on the expanded population. There are things you can do in a nonexpansion state such as perhaps supplemental disproportionate share funding that would be available to safety net hospitals. So im hearing from you, though, admirably honest, that you cannot make that guarantee that because of reenrollment every year there are people in the Current Population in the expansion states in medicaid who may not have the same coverage next year. It would be their choice. If they stay on the program then they would not be dropped. So that comports with Vice President pences observation and certainly that would be my desire as well. Were going to keep our eyes on that because thats an important principle. Congressman michael burgess, thank you for taking time. Thanks, chris. Joining me now, Steve Beshear of kentucky who gave the rebuttal speech who expanded medicaid in his state and set up an aca exchange that has been hailed for its effectiveness. I want you to respond. The senator seems to say the Current Population in expansion states will fine but hes saying the needle needs to be threaded. What does that mean . I tell you what it really means, chris, it means theyre going to not people out of this program. They dont want to say it. Theyre going to spout many roadblocks in the way of people reupping every year and theyre going to put so many different requirements on it that this population is a low income population. They dont understand a lot about insurance to start with and some of them are working two jobs a day, they dont have time to go down and stand in line all day long to be told oh, you have to come back tomorrow. You watch, if they go down this road youre going to have millions of people thrown out of this program. I mean, these folks amaze me. Their ideology, their rigid ideology and all of their policy are mak them forget about what were talking about. Thats human beings. Thats lives. These are people, some of them are going to die if their coverage is taken away from them. Doctors tell you this. Its a very real situation. This is life and death for millions of americans and all they want to do is play word games. So this is an important principle. I want folks to track this. Right now they have a political problem. There are people with coverage that are going to be upset if you take it away and theyre going to have hell to pay politically if they take it away but they want to take peoples coverage away because thats their vision. Youre saying theyre not going to say theyre going to take peoples coverage away but theyll put in the a set of procedures and obstacles that will result in fewer people being covered and say thats how the cookie crumbles . Sure. And then this whole idea of block granting to the states, chris, what theyre going to do is theyre going to send less money than the program currently has down to the governors so the governors, who have to have a balanced budget, will have to cut coverage, theyll have to cut people out of the program, theyll have to cut benefits out of the program and when the people come to the governor and say why did you do this to me . The governor is going to say look, i had no choice because the federal government didnt send me enough money. When those people go to the federal government and guys like the congressman, theyre going to say oh, now, wait a minute, we sent the money down to the governor, it was his decision how to decide who its going to be. So its the Pontius Pilate routine. Theyre going to wash their hands of this group and try to walk into the sun set and let everybody blame each other. The only people that lose here are americans. I mean, everyday folks who now have coverage, they like it, there may be problems with it, it may need to be fixed but by golly they dont want it taken away from them and i think theyll play hell if they try to. Steve beshear, former governorf kentucky gave the response last night. Thanks for joining us, appreciate it. Thank you. 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Whatever kind of weekender you are, theres a hilton for you. Book your weekend break direct at hilton. Com and join the weekenders. Why, in 2017, are we still questioning parents ability to exercise educational choice for their children . Im a Firm Believer that parents should be empowered to choo the learning environment thats best for each of the individual children. Choose. You know, go wherever you want your kid to go. Betsy devos, the new education secretary who just took office three weeks ago after the Vice President cast a historic tiebreaking vote in the senate, is all about choice. And on monday after meeting with president s and chancellors of hbcus at the white house, she released a statement that read in part historically black colleges and universities started from the fact there were too many students in america who did not have equal access to education. They saw the system wasnt working, that there was an absence of opportunity so they took it upon themselves to provide the solution. Hbcus are real pioneers when it comes to school choice. Choice. After it was pointed out by numerous gobsmacked lawmakers and just citizens whove read a history book that hbcus were actually created because there was no other choice under jim crow betsy devos started to backtrack telling hbcus that your history was born not out of mere choice but out of necessity in the face of racism and the aftermath of civil war. And tweeted out providing an alternative option to students denied the right to attend a Quality School is the legacy of hbcu. But your history was born not out of mere choice but out of necessity and the aftermath of the civil war. Not clear that the people who run hbcus need to be told their own history though i think the secretary of education could probably use a bit of a brushup on the topic. 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Today devin nunes agreed with Ranking Member congressman adam schiff to include possible links between russia and Trump Campaign associates as part of the scope of that intelligence committees investigation. On the house judiciary committee, republicans took advantage of the hoopla to very quietly on a Party Line Vote kill a resolution of inquiry which had been proposed by congressman jerry nadler. That resolution of inquiry is a tool that can be used by the Minority Party when the majority is stonewalling. This particular resolution asked the Justice Department to provide any documents related to any criminal or counterintelligence investigation targeting president donald j. Trump, michael flynn, paul manafort, roger stone. In other words, anything related to the interference in the election and the Trump Campaigns possible ties to russia. It asked for documents relating to trumps potential conflicts of interest around the world. 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Ask your doctor about onceweekly trulicity. Starts with turkey covered in a rich flavorful gravy,e and a crust made from scratch. Because she knows that when its cold outside. Its good food and good company that keep you warm inside. Marie callenders. Its time to savor. Of all the items fuelling the story about russian interference in the election, perhaps the most explosive was the dossier prepared by former British Intelligence agent Christopher Steele alleging, among other things, collusion between Trump Campaign associates and russia in the dnc Cyber Attacks as well as specific claims of Russia Holding compromising material about the president. So it is stunning that the fbi had once planned to pay for steele to continue his work, according to people familiar with the arranment speaking to winnipesaukee. The agreement to compensate former mi 6agent Christopher Steele came as agencies came to a consensus that russians had s interfered in the election. The agreement fell apart once the dossier became public. If the fbi was interested that interest would lend credibility to steeles efforts. According to the post, steele was familiar to the fbi because the bureau had previously hired him in unremitted inquiry. Joining me now, an fbi double agent author of how to catch a russian spy, the true story of an american civilian turned double agent. Navid, as parts of this story surface in little bits, its evaluating them in context. How strange would it be for the fbi to pay for Third Party Intelligence like this . Theres these little drips and drabs coming in. Chris, counterintelligence operations and theres counterintelligence investigations and they are two separate entities here. So its important to understand exactly where they were looking at this. Was it for the operational information intelligence or to build a case . So counterintelligence operations, which is something you worked on, is not investigative, its essentially a way of trying to attempt to disrupt the intelligence activities of an adversary . That is absolutely correct. And its important when it comes to russias look, theres little doubt that russia through wikileaks, through stealing data, that theres very little doubt they were involved in trying to disrupt our elections. I dont think youre going to find too many people that disagree with that. From a counterintelligence operations standpoint, i have to believe the Intelligence Community knows who the sort of des of that network are and i would like to believe that the those components, the russians are probably not going to use them again. I would say theyre probably burned. But as you said, chris, the goal of exposing them is not necessarily to build a case. Youre not necessarily going to put this in the light of day in a courtroom so its a terribly different silo. And that seems to be part of the problem here, right . Because at some level there are these twin imperatives that lead to i mean, the story about the New York Times is fascinating to me, that obama folks were basically making sure this is strewn across a bunch of different agencies so no one can get rid of it. Theres an imperative for public transpurple heartsy, i as a citizen want to know the truth and the truth of the exculpatory of the trump people because it seems wildly unfair for allegations to hang around them if theyre not true and the imperative for secrecy for the people operationally doing this kind of stuff. Thats exactly right. I can tell you, the counterintelligence operational world, the investigative world, in many cases you can have a division chief for these two separate communities and they dont talk to each other and they do so in part because, look, you cant necessarily mix the two worlds but theres also a little ego, cultural ego that exists. At the end of the day, the American People need to know at the core of this that our elections, our most secret part of democracy, are, in fact, safe. To that end we need to know what russia did, how they did it. The other question of was there collusion between the trump trump and russians . Certainly a question that needs to be answered. This stove piping and siloing of the data doesnt do the American Public any good. We do need to have some answers here. Do you imagine that those answers there would be a way too declassify those things that need to be known or get a Public Record from either the intelligence committees which practice largely in secret or some sort of special inquiry that could achieve that goal of transparency but not essentially compromise the kind of secrecy that you need to maintain . Yes, i do. I think the question of russias involvement in terms of with wikileaks and stealing data and trying to use propaganda, information warfare, in terms of affecting our election, that theres sources and methods that probably we want to keep close to our vest but the other part, the question of did the trump were there people that sat down with russian Intelligence Officers and colluded to turn over the election . Thats a question that can be answered, that doesnt have to release sources and methods. Its binary, we talked about did flynn offer to lift sanctions . This is a binary question. Its either yes or no. That is something that we can chris, ill be honest. I worked with the russians, i find it hard to believe a russian Intelligence Officer knowin their trade craft would ever sit down withnyone and say russia is going to deliver you the election. That sort of gotcha moment, i dont believe theres going to be a conversation like that that happened. Nonetheless these are questions that can be answered. That. Naveed jamali, thank you for your time. Up next, an msnbc special report, the trump putin power play hosted by Brian Williams and chris matthews. A twohour special and it starts right now. Wouldnt it be great if we actually did get along great with russia . I think id get along very well with vladimir putin. We were both on 60 minutes, we were stable mates, we did very well that night. If he says great things about me, im going to say great things about him. Russia, if youre listening, i hope youre able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. Wikileaks. I love wikileaks. She doesnt know if its the russians doing the hacking. Maybe there is no hacking. It could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400