Security measures. I was called unpatriotic, unamerican and essentially treasonous. And the growing firestorm over the trump adviser trying to fast track Nuclear Technology to saudi arabia. What im going to do is something different. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. The president of the United States is in day four of another racist meltdown. He is Binge Watching trump tv, and its making him feel really racist and he is expressing that, and he cant or wont stop the feedback loop that were all now trapped in. Meanwhile, there are all these official trump defenders on trump running around to vouch for the chess master at work. And then today the president looked into the camera and threw a wrench into that argument. Whats the political strategy here . It seems to be causing the attacks seems to be causing a lot of division. Are you talking with respect to Elijah Cummings . Im talking about your attack against Elijah Cummings. There is no strategy. I have no strategy. There is zero strategy. All it is im pointing out facts. I sit and watch tv and get angry and tweet. There is a strategy. Its not very sophisticated, but it is quite clear. Its not something where trump is anticipating three moves ahead about what the marginal white voter in maria butina wants to hear. Trump is mad at Elijah Cummings. He wants to cause him discomfort and he wants to chief ly discomfort him. Think about this. Just a week ago, Robert Mueller himself said he gave up trying to interview the president because it wasnt worth the protracted legal fight. Here is another one. For the past few months, donald trump has doubled down on his attacks on Federal Reserve chairman germ rojerome powell. Here is what he said this morning. I would like to see a large cut, and i would like to see immediately the quantitative tightening stop. It shouldnt with stopped. Im very disappointed in the fed. I think they acted too quickly by far, and i think ive been proven right. People said i was right. They were wrong. The fed is often wrong. The fed is often wrong. The Federal Reserve widely expected to announce a rate cut tomorrow, even as though trump will be the first to tell you the stock market is at record highs. Unemployment is near record lows. Its hard not to see some correlation when the president has repeatedly berated Jerome Powells decision making. Donald trump has operated this way for 40 years, breaking the law, violating contract, stiffing worker, steamrolling, berating anyone who challenges him. By and large he has again away with. The headlines are filled with him every day. You may hear about jeffrey epstein, seen here at maralago. That was epsteins. Many m. O. The reason why trump is mad at cummings is cummings heads up the Oversight Committee which is leading a slew of investigations into the president and his family. And trump probably shoo should be mad because those investigations are devastating. Just in the past week, trump subpoenaed trumps son and daughterinlaw. Cummings is also looking into the central con of the Trump Campaign embodied by the America First phrase. The whole idea that trump is putting americas interests above all else when from day one it has been clear he has been pursuing foreign interests in his own bottom line. The moscow tower deal trump lied about, that Michael Cohen lied about to Trumps National security adviser Michael Flynn publishing an oped on election day to advance the interests of his turkish client. Now the house Oversight Committee has found that flynn and Trumps Inaugural Committee chairman tom barrack is trying to get sensitive Nuclear Technology to saudi arabia who fear it will be weaponized. If you want the almost overwritten example, here it is. It is trumps America First speech that he gave in 2016 on our energy policy, a speech that thanks to the report released by congressman cummings committee, we know tom barrack submitted to United Arab Emirate officials for review and added their suggestions. Joining me now, a member of the house Oversight Committee conducting the investigations. Joining me krishnamoorthi of illinois. Do you think the president is attacking cummings specifically because of the chairs work on these investigations . Oh, absolutely. I think he is attacking attacking chairman cummings because he is effective. Ill just give you a kpoup of examples. Chairman cummings was the one who led the charge in removing the Citizenship Question from the census. He is the one who has been leading the charge, for instance, on the security clearance issues, including, you know, investigating why the heck Jared Kushner has access to top secret clearance and then last, among other things, hes been leading the charge on the immigration issues on the border and the separation of children and families and also Holding People like Kevin Mcaleenan accountable for the money thats being sent down to help with the humanitarian crisis, a crisis that im actually going down tomorrow to the Mexican Border to view on behalf of the Oversight Committee along with my colleagues. The subpoenas that have been issued for the president s daughter and Jared Kushner, her husband, the president s soninlaw. Yes. Among a few others, what is the substance of those subpoenas . Gosh, as you know, these folks are the subject of various investigations. Everything from security clearance issues to whether or not they are using their personal emails for official business, which would be a violation of the president ial records act. And so these are things that touch intimately obviously on the president s family, but thats obviously something that he has caused himself by appointing these people to such high positions. The Oversight Committees work, the report they just released is quite damning i think in many respects. It traces out the degree to which foreign influence. Yes. Sort of flowed through the campaign. But am i correct that that deal is still being pursued and is a live issue . Thinking particular deal, the issue with regard to the sensitive Nuclear Technologies . Yes. Yes. This is something that theyre actively pursuing. Tom barrack and ip 3 and others. Apparently in december 2017, rick perry actually gave preliminary approval on behalf of the department of energy for transferring this technology. Now, there is something called the section 123 act, section 123 of the Atomic Energy act which requires congressional approval for such transfer, namely, to make sure that there are safeguard such that such technology cannot be used to make a Nuclear Weapon. This is called the quote unquote Gold Standard which tom barrack and ip3 and other Trump Associates want to water down or completely kill in order to basically make sure that the saudis end up purchasing their technology. Do you the president the most consistent through line in the president s Foreign Policy which is even more consistent than his behavior with russia is the saudis. He broke with american tradition to go there as his first act. He has sort of lavished praise on the man who according to u. S. Intelligence agencies sent his goon squad to murder and hack to death with a saw an american newspaper columnist. At every turn, he has backed saudis. The war in yemen, on their iran policy. Are you confident he is doing that because of his Foreign Policy judgment and not because of his bottom line . No, not at all. I think he is totally this is the same issue we see with vladimir putin, okay. There is something in the financial ties between the trump family and the saudis or trump interests or People Associated with trump and the saudis that motives this very strange behavior. And in this particular case, we know that tom barrack is one of his largest donors. He is the chairman of the president s inaugural committee, and hes a confidante. And he is trying his darnedest to try to skirt congressional approval and transfer this technology. But, you know, i got to say, we cant trust the saudis with a bone saw, let alone a Nuclear Weapon. They should never get their hands on a Nuclear Weapon in a region that is basically a tinderbox. I hope that we oppose this on a bipartisan basis in congress. Congressman raja krishnamoorthi, thank you very much. Thank you. Joining me now Zerlina Maxwell and senior director of Progressive Program for siriusxm, and lynette lopez, Senior Correspondent for business insider. This sort of bullying approach, which he clearly is now bringing down upon Elijah Cummings, clearly in a retaliatory fashion, he doesnt like what cummings is doing on oversight. You went through this on the campaign as did 15 other people that faced him in the primaries. What is sort of unnerving about it is how effective it can with. Its effective, but i think there is a distinction when he attacks adam schiff and a black person or person of color. I think that distinction is where we need to focus. When he is attacking somebody who is just conducting oversight, he may call them a pencil neck or give them a cute nickname, but he doesnt go straight to the racism. And he doesnt talk about the district. Its deep inside. And of course its sort of his default position. Yes. He doesnt have a strategy. This is who he is. So you take him at his word when he said that, because i do as well. Correct. I dont even care if it is a strategy because racism is bad and it shouldnt be a part of any serious conversation. He would be able to talk about other things. Right. He had a better than expected gdp number on friday. He should be talking about how great the economy is, obviously. We discussed the fed. Its a little shaky there. But he has other things he can be talking about that he should be out thing to the American People. Its election time. But no, he cannot stop frothing at the mouth at Elijah Cummings. And yeah, maybe its to protect his family. But at the same time, you know, this is not the same thing were getting for adam schiff. And also, can i just say did Jared Kushner not think that middle east peace was a hard enough puzzle . Did he think that maybe giving the saudis the nuke would be would have more on later this show. One of the things ive been thinking about a lot this week is whether weve been talking about whether its a strategy or a tactic or whether its going to work or not work. I dont think its about whether its going work. I think its that he is willing to rip the country completely apart. Yes. In order to win reelection. He doesnt care about the consequences of basically ripping the scab off of White Supremacy and racism in this country, which already is leading to violence, can lead to more violence. Its like a tinderbox. He is basically letting it go free, and he doesnt care if anybody gets hurt. Thats the scary part for me. The story that he is hiding is that his son soninlaw. Soninlaw got together with an american billionaire to profit from selling secrets of Nuclear Secrets to a murderous Foreign Government. In the most dangerous part of the world in possible violation possible circumvention of the guard rails that are supposed to be put in place. This is what jack bauer is supposed to stop. This is bond villain stuff. Right. And it seems to be, to me, that he will stop at nothing. And if that means exploding racism in the United States, thats what were going to do. And thats what were all going to have to live through. I think its also the case, and that is important, physically, its got to roll. This is who he is. When he says its not a strategy, it is who he is, and it is going to get worse over time. Yes. And in some ways, the most sort of there are a lot of effects that are horrible. But one is watching him march the line forward and watching everyone else fall into line to defend it. Everyone should stop expecting that delaney will stop doing anything that he is doing. At what part am i supposed to stop believing that the Republican Party is for me . The republicans are completely invisible. Theyre absent. They go along with whatever he says. I dont see the racism as simply a debate or a conversation about strategy. I think its a threat. Yes. He is basically threatening us with going full racist, which can lead to violence in order to win reelection. Because certain people like Elijah Cummings are looking into the corruption in his administration, and he is afraid of that. And there is right. The part of it when the anonymous folks go out to tell reporters that he likes it or whatever, it is a little like nice country you have. It would be a shame if something oh, you think this is bad . There is a threat. Wait until he really throws his back into it. Wait until were eight months from now or a year from now. The kids to the cages new. He cannot deescalate. I dont think there is. We have hit bottom, america, we are just going to dig from here. Sorry to tell you. Well, there is also, whether question have hit bottom or not, we have 15 more months. There is a long way to go here, and they have the other thing is what will happen on the oversight side is there will be more oversight. There will be more investigations. And thats only going to precipitate more. It seems like there are too many leaks in the ship. Youve got new york state demanding tax returns. Youve got california passing legislation here. That will reveal more financial information. Youve got guys like tom barrack who are going to start being investigated who has a very shady long history on wall street. Right. Youve got wilbur ross who is maybe on his way out. Falling asleep at meetings, but who was also in these meetings. They had rick perry minding the nuclear store. Why, america . Why . Rick perry of dancing with the stars fame. This is what happens before the dissteppian future. I think with we have to be vigilant in this moment because this can go bad really fast. Thank you both. Coming up there is a lot more to talk about regarding the story of the trump adviser who tried to use his connection in the white house to push a Saudi Nuclear deal. 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We now know that the chairman of the trump inaugural committee, tom barrack, alongtime friend and adviser to the president , was also pushing a plan to help saudi arabia acquire Nuclear Reactors. We know all this thanks to the aforementioned 50page house overcommittee report that detailed how barrack used to push for this new power plant deal with the saudis. He was quoted as advocating on behalf of foreign interests seeking to obtain this u. S. Nuclear technology. Those foreign interests happen to be saudi arabia, specifically, helping the country develop its Nuclear Program by going around a longstanding u. S. Policy that prevents them from doing just that. Much to the alarm of proliferation experts. Now questions about whether or not tom barrack was working on behalf of a foreign power did come up in the special counsels investigation. In fact, we know that Robert Mueller referred that investigation into barracks ties to the middle east to the u. S. Attorneys office in brooklyn, which right now has an open and Ongoing Investigation on that topic. America first indeed. Joining me now is erin banco who is reporting on the trump World Campaign to export Nuclear Technology to saudi arabia. Erin, first, give us a sense of barracks role in trump world, the inaugural committee, how close he was to the top and the decisionmakingers. Right. Starting back, all the way back into the fall of 2016, you this firm called ip3, which is sort of made up of former generals who get in touch with former National Security adviser mike flynn and there are later introduced to tom barrack about a plan to export American Technology overseas to help build Nuclear Reactors. And the original plan is pretty broad. Its to build over 40 Nuclear Reactors in a couple of different countries. And it isnt until much later that that plan gets sort of honed down to saudi arabia. And thats where barrack really comes into play, because he has connections in saudi arabia. He has connections in the uae. So barrack as flynn leaves the government, barrack becomes ip3s point person to try to help push through the plan and to get Trump Administration officials to recognize that this is good for american businesses. Thats the plan on ip3s part. As we know from the report weve seen come out yesterday, there are a couple of ethical concerns, and more importantly, there is some National Security concerns along with this plan as well. What are the National Security concerns . So its a little complicated. But a government needs the u. S. Needs to do a couple of Different Things in signing a Nuclear Agreement with a foreign country. It needs to have a one, two, three agreement which congressman krishnamoorthi talked about. It needs to have protocols for Nuclear Safeguards. In twine there is the development of whats called the Gold Standard which the public can think about the strictest Nuclear Safeguard that you can possibly have. And what countries do, foreign countries, they say okay, u. S. Well subscribe to this Gold Standard, and we will in perpetuity not use our nuclear fuel to develop a Nuclear Weapon. Right. This is first signed with the uae. And the u. S. Has tried to uphold this standard since then there have been a couple of agreements we have signed that have not had this standard in place, but on a public facing front, the Trump Administration tries to get everyone to agree to this Gold Standard, particularly with countries that are a little risky, especially in the middle east like saudi arabia. And we should note that during the Obama Administration they refused to agree to the Gold Standard, and saudi Prince Mohammed bin salman, if iran develops a nuclear bomb we will follow as soon as possible. There is a huge sawedly interest in the ability to break out of the system. And tom barrack and Michael Flynn working over and inside the seams to try to advance this cause. Do we know if barrack has any financial interests in this or is being paid by anyone or there is any investment angle to it as he is working on behalf of the foreign interests while connected to the president. Thats part of what the Eastern District of new york is looking into now. As we know from some of the fantastic reporting from the New York Times and other outlets on this, we know that barrack has been questioned about some of this workrelated to the Saudi Nuclear project. We dont have a clear understanding yet what kind of compensation, if any barrack received to help push forward this plan. But thats definitely a big line of inquiry in brooklyn right now. He also, barrack stepped down if im not mistaken from Colony Capital i believe is the fund that he was managing. It does seem like there is some intense heat on him at the moment. Yeah, especially with this report coming out and with the Ongoing Investigations in newark related to the inaugural committee. The daily beast has done some supporting around that adds well. It seems like barrack is sort of emerging as a central figure in a couple of different probes in new york. And i think this Saudi Nuclear story as it is sort of important to understanding the lobbying work that barrack did. Right. And some of the compensation aspects to his time working as an adviser for president trump. Yeah. There is a bunch of Unanswered Questions about that as well. Erin banco, thank you very much. Thank you. Ahead, why does Mitch Mcconnell keep blocking Election Security bills . Moscow mitch as he has been called and the threat of russian interference, next. Nextsexy. Oh delicious. Or delicious. Or fun. But since you need both car and home insurance, why not bundle them with esurance and save up to 10 . 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The russians are absolutely intent on trying to interfere with our elections. We assess that foreign actors will view the 2020 u. S. Elections as an opportunity to advance their interests. We expect them to refine their capabilities and add new tactics. Theyre doing it as we sit here, and they expect to do it during the next campaign. Much more needs to be done in order to protect against this intrusions, not just by the russians but other as well. So what exactly are we doing about it . Congress has passed a few relatively minor bills. Last year it distributed 380 million to help states with Election Security upgrades such as strengthening cyber security, updating voting equipment and improving post election audits. But Election Security experts say generally thats not nearly enough. Were still learning how bad things are last week one day after Robert Muellers testimony, a Bipartisan Senate report found that russia targeted election systems in all 50 states back in 2016. Democrats and some republicans are trying to pass bills to bypass the effort. Lawmakers have put forth legislation requiring campaigns to report offers for help from Foreign Governments, the fbi, as well as a bill to protect lawmakers from cyber attacks, a bill requiring Internet Companies to disclose who is buying political adds. None of these bills are getting a vote in the senate, and that is thanks to majority leader Mitch Mcconnell, who insists the federal government is already doing enough to protect our elections so none of the legislation is necessary. Mcconnells refusal to take up the election has earned him the nickname moscow mitch which has been trending on twitter like moscow Mitch Mctreason which is a lot to say. It has prompted columns like Dana Milbanks blunt Mitch Mcconnell is a russian asset. He has blocked bills designed to protect our democracy. I dont normally take the time to respond to critics in the media when they have no clue what theyre talking about. But this modernday mccarthyism is toxic. Modern day mccarthyism . Joining me is jim manley who is spokesperson for harry reid. What did you make of that performance yesterday . For senator mcconnell, it was a miniature nutty. He rarely if ever gets that dramaticer and or gets that ramped up. But obviously he is feeling the effects of something. Something is going on. And i think thats that he is getting really uncomfortable with where the president is trying to take this whole debate. Wait, say that again . A couple of Different Things. First of all, you know, i think he is really uncomfortable with where the president what the president is doing. I see. He thinks that something should be done. But as lodge as the president isnt for it, senator mcconnell is never going to go for it. Why . Because he is a afraid of the president. He is up for election in 2020, and the last thing he wants is a primary. I see. So he doesnt want to jam the president on this. Exactly. He is blocking it to protect the white house. But he is feeling upset and hurt and frustrated and vulnerable which is why he took to the floor to whine because he is being squeezed, essentially. Exactly. He is smart enough to know there is an idea out there that the American People that somethings gotting to done to deal with this russian stuff. The president can sit in the oval office all he wants and rail against these investigations and deny that anything happened. But the reality is much different. And mcconnell knows it. Here he is acting no better, no worse than a lowly House Republican freshman whose only goal in life is to avoid getting a primary by not upsetting the president. We should note also he has a history here of protecting trump on this front. He sure does. Back in 2016 there is that meeting that has been widely reported. And joe biden talked about this recently, that he refused to sign on to a bipartisan statement. He was the lone objector. He questioned the intelligence. That was hugely helpful to donald trump. It was. And so, again, ill try it one more time. He just wants to go about confirming his nominations as he works to try and get reelected. Right. Now he is getting jammed. He is going to have to deal with the real issue, and he doesnt like it. And he lashed out yesterday, the likes of which have i never seen by mcconnell. He is being put in this position. He knows its wrong, but and so all he can do is lash out. Thats interesting. By that outrageous suggestion of mccarthyite tactics. There is Something Else he now has to do. Thing is pretty interesting. You have John Ratcliffe who has been nominated. I dont know if he has been formally nominated. He has not. No. He has been tweet nominated by the president. Exactly. This is a member of the House Intelligence Committee who served on that committee for just a few months, has no real National Security experience other than having clearance as a u. S. Attorney. This is what the president said about him today, which i dont think is going to help his case over in the senate. Take a listen. I think that John Ratcliffe is going to do an incredible job if he gets approved. Hes got to get approved. I think hell do a great job. I think we need somebody like, that that we need somebody strong that can really rein it in. As i think youve all learned, the intelligence agencies have run amok. Theyve run amok. I just think am i wrong to read the president being like i need this guy to rein them in. The run amok is not the best way to get this guy confirmed . My rough calculation is theyll probably get you ten republican votes because they hate the Intelligence Agency so much. But for an awful lot of these folks, theyre going to be really upset if forced to vote on this guy, because he is obviously highly unqualified, a, for the position. And b, they like to pretend or they like to say, excuse me, that they are defenders of the intelligence agencies. And they know damn well whats going on here, that trumps trying to get protection by getting this guy confirmed. The richard burr quote on this i thought was amazing. This is burr who is the chair Senate Intelligence doing his best mariah carey imitation. If i get nominated ill process it through committee. Which to me is a tell. Thats what republican senators always say when someone gets floated if its herman cain or ken cues nellie that they dont want to confirm. They always say if theyre confirmed. And that for me was the quote that stuck out as well. Having said that, im not so sure that senator burr is exactly a profile in courage. No. But all signs show that this guy is tanking fast. I seriously question whether he is going to be able to survive over the next couple of weeks once the senate goes into recess. That will be really interesting to watch. Jim manley, thanks for sharing your insight and experience. Still ahead, tom perez on defeating a racist president. 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You can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. As the president continues his racist meltdown hell have to deal with voters attention being focused elsewhere during this weeks democratic debates. While the candidates all continue to workshop their approaches to the vortex of insult and bigotry that is the president of the United States. Here with me now is the head of the Democratic National committee tom perez. Tom, weve seen this awful racist outburst by the president going day after day after day. Interesting conversations among democrats about how to deal with what will clearly be a centerpiece of his reelection campaign. What are your thoughts . Well, let me put on my hat as a former head of the Civil Rights Division first, chris, because when you see this rhetoric, this divisive, racist rhetoric, it should come as a surprise to no one that we see increases in the number of hate crimes across america. You cant sit here and foment unrest and then feign surprise and regret when you see hatefueled violence take place. So thats point number one. And thats unconscionable. Its unamerican. And its unbecoming the commander in chief. And we should we should always make sure that we articulate our values as democrats, and we will. Im a proud marylander. I love baltimore and i love Elijah Cummings and we will continue to call this out. At the same time, we understand that his playbook is about division, its about distraction, it is about making sure that people arent focused on the issues at hand, and he doesnt want to talk about health care. I mean, i think hes had 40,000 tweets or Something Like that and theres a small handful about health care. I understand why, because he wants to take it away. And when he goes low, i know that the first lady said when they go low, we go high. When they go low, we go vote. And when they go lower, we get more people who can vote out to vote. I said to folks here today in detroit, when they go even lower, and he will, let get a caravan of people out who vote who are eligible to vote. Well have caravans of voters. There was an interesting law today signed by gavin newsom. I dont know if he signed it or announced his intent to sign it. Its a law that would create a constraint on the availability of ability to appear on a primary and require candidates to give five years of tax returns to appear on a california state primary ballot. Lots of interesting legal questions about this clearly aimed at the president. Do you think its a good idea . Well, listen, this should be unnecessary. As you know, i think every candidate on the republican and democratic side since i think it was Richard Nixon has voluntarily turned over their tax returns until donald trump. And thats what he should do, but we know he hasnt. Thats why i applaud the actions of chairman neal. States have to take whatever action they deem appropriate for their interests. And so i wouldnt even remotely try to second guess what the what Governor Newsom is doing because hes trying to make sure that voters have access to all the information they need before they make their judgement about who to support. I understand why you dont want to second guess the governor. Just to follow up on that as someone who is an accomplished lawyer himself and did work at the doj, you imagine versions of this that would be pretty noxious, the Alabama State saying you cant appear in our primary unless you have a long form birth certificate or Something Like that. Well, the thing about tax returns is that the American People have i think an obligation i would say candidates have an obligation to make sure that theyre completely transparent with voters, and we havent had to pass a law to vindicate that principle. Right. People want to know, where is your source of income . And in the case of this president , i mean, we, you know, why is he so cozy, why is he putins poodle . I think one of the answers is that hes compromised, and the problem is we cant see his tax returns to verify or not verify that. And so were left with a series of imperfect options. But this is a problem not of anyone in californias doing, this is a problem squarely of this president s doing. And its unprecedented. And i hope that congress will act. I know mcconnell wont do anything. This is another reason we have to take over the senate and take over the presidency, so that we can enshrine once and for all something that, frankly, shouldnt need to be enshrined, but we now know it does. There are a lot of bills you just mentioned Mitch Mcconnell, a lot of bills passed by the house that he has blocked. Including Campaign Finance and a 15 minimum wage passed by the house. And Election Security, bipartisan sponsors in the senate that he blocked. He was very, very upset that people criticized him for that and called him moscow mitch. He said the Media Outlets were fomenting modern day mccarthyism. What do you think . Do you think hes got a point . Absolutely not. I mean, chris, we know from this report that the russians interfered with our elections in 2016. They did so with the intent of hurting Hillary Clinton and help donald trump. They have had no accountability for this. Theyre doing it again. Director mueller said so. We must take prompt action. The house of representatives, a number of these bills, as you correctly pointed out, were bipartisan. A bill to say i believe if somebody comes from a Foreign Government and tells you theyve got dirt or information, an obligation to report that. Leader mcconnell, like, whats wrong with that . This isnt about right versus left, this is about right versus wrong. And his absolute fealty. Hes such a lap dog to this president. He should really be ashamed of himself. This is Election Security. This shouldnt be a democratic or republican issue. This is an issue of patriotism. Youre the head of the dnc. You guys sort of oversee the National Party apparatus. Obviously the debates are sort of running the primary process. The dccc, which is an associated organization but distinct that runs congressional campaigns just had a very big staff shakeup. A whole bunch of senior staff left and there were complaints about diversity of the staffing at organization. Are you concerned about whats going on over there . Do you think the complaints about diversity were legitimate . Well, i know Speaker Pelosi and chair bustos take those complaints and concerns very, very seriously. I am confident in their leadership in attacking these challenges and i know that theyre going to move forward because we have weve worked to hard to gain control of the house of representatives. I think were going to get more seats in 2020. And we want to maybe sure that we are fully together and were certainly going to do everything we can to Work Together with them. Im proud of what were doing at the dnc, to be a partner to all of our alphabet soup of federal and state and local counterparts so that we can elect democrats. Because, chris, we need to focus 100 of every single day on defeating donald trump, plainly and simply. We cant be distracted, whether its by donald trump or by anything else, and thats why we need to focus our attention and when issues come up we will listen and we will address them promptly and fairly and comprehensively so we can get back to the task at hand, which is restoring our democracy. All right. Dnc chair tom perez in the spin room at the democratic debate. Thank you for taking a little bit of time. I really appreciate it. Chris, always great to be with you. One last thing before we go, we have a new episode of our podcast this week. Its called fury in puerto rico. Its the story of the hundreds of thousands of people who took to the streets over two weeks to protest the governor of puerto rico that led to his resignation. That story is still developing with people still in the streets day after day. Our podcast discussion breaks down the texting scandal you may have heard of along with the longsimmering frustrations of corruption in the u. S. Territory. Its an amazing story of Mass Mobilization and Julio Ricardo varela is a phenomenal journalist who can explain what pushed people to take to the streets and demand a change in leadership. Find it wherever you get your podcasts and dont forget to rate and review while you are there. That is all in for this evening. A special edition of the Rachel Maddow show starts now. I would like to welcome you to benson, arizona. Benson, arizona has about 5,000 people. Its the home of kerchner carvern state park. A big cave complex you can go see. It looks very cool, doesnt it . Im claustrophobic. 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