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After House Republicans voted to take away health care from up to 24 million americans and raise premiums on seniors. After they voted to leave it up to the states to decide whether preexisting conditions can be covered. After they voted to block medicaid recipients from getting care at planned parenthood clinics. After they voted to cut deadl 8 billion to medicaid, poor, elder and disabled. All that plus a tax cut of approximately 200,000 each to the wealthiest. 1 of americans. It was a celebration. Meanwhile, this is how protesters greeted congressman on the way to the rose garden beer party. Shame on you shame on you shame on you shame on you shame on you shame on you shame on you . 217 members of congress, all republicans, voted for this bill. These are their names. Here at am joy my tireless producers reached out to each and every one of them to ask us to join them today. I orvffered each of them the le spot on this show to go oneonone with me to explain why they voted on the bill and not a single one agreed. There they are. All the names. 217 people, not a taker, not a one. A ha, such bravery. Joining me joan walsh National Affairs correspondent at the nation, democratic strategist pierre, perry bacon jr. And ed helmsmare. It falls to you, i hope i havent mangled your name. Since we couldnt get a single one, we literally had the producers on the show ask every single one of the 217 republicans to justify a vote they cheered for, were proud of it, not one would come on and justify the vote. Can you explain why it makes sense to cut a billion dollars out of medicaid to give a tax cut to wealthy and how that is health care reform. The first problem is thats not what the bill is doing. The thing thats going on here that people have to focus on, 25 to 27 million americans who buy coverage in the individual market or have small employer plans. They get no subsidies from obamacare and they have seen their premiums go through the roof, their insurance carnes he would, access to homts and doctors you circumscribed, insurers leaving. Wead report a third insurer the other day may be leaving iowa. Those people have no choice of insurance, no ability to get will insurance. That has been Affordable Care act or obamacare, thats the constituency that elected President Trump and these republicans to repeal and replace the law. And thats the constituency they are responding to. They are looking to find ways to bring the cost of coverage do you think for those people to enable them to continue to get health insurance. The problem we have with the Affordable Care act is before the election in october, as you saw those premium increases, this law was starting on the brink of unin suring the insured. Thats what they are trying to fix. The characterizations im hearing on this channel and elsewhere is completely off the mark. Im glad you made that reported. I think its an important point. Republicans are responding to specific constituency, people in the individual market, which tend to be smaller business owners, more affluent people. Vox. Com put winners and losers. Rich people win because they get a massive tax cut of a trillion dollars. Insurance companies go in because they go out of Community Rating. They can charge people more based on their age and Health Status and Drug Companies because they are unfettered by the law. The loser, the poor, the elderly and the sick. Perry, it disls strike me they arent the constituency they are listening to because they dont vote for republicans. They respond to affluent, wanted a tax break, wanted money back, and the people who are not their constituents are the elderly, the poor and the sick. Right . Right. We had this cbo report. There was small changes in the bill last week. We had this cbo report and what it tells you is 14 Million People will be off medicaid, program for low income people and 24 million will lose insurance compared to whats under aca now. So i would say the report does suggest some people, particularly if youre young, your healthy, and youre upper income, youll have lower premium. It does redistrict effect of sorts. The net, i disagree with the panelist, the net of the cbo, more people will be uninsured in this program, the cbo says 24 million. The net, even if you have some in the individual market getting cheaper insurance, the net of the whole thing is more people uninsured than before. Youre talking about a law basically insured by 20 million and now a new law that would take away from 24. Thats the overall look at the law. I was pronouncing your name wrong, hopefully that is correct. You look at the chart of the 2. 2 Million People currently in the individual market but have preexisting conditions. The ahca high risk pools, which is what they would throw people into rather than have subsidies would cover 110,000 people. 5 of the pple currently insured using aca in the individual market youre talking about, only 5 of them would have insurance because they have preexisting conditions. Thats a particularly misleading piece. I saw it the other day. I havent had a chance to write about how grossly misleading. How is that misleading. Because under prior law, obamacare, aca, and under what the house bill just passed, those people who have insurance would not be affected. This does not take away preexisting conditions exclusions from anybody what it says, in the very limited circumstances if you have not had previous coverage, if you dont have coverage, youre just waiting until youre sick to buy coverage, then, and only then, can the insurance charge you more based on the real cost. This is one of the big problems weve had with the health law, aca, it has encouraged people to wait until they are sick to then buy coverage and that is disrupting the entire market and driving costs up. So people who have preexisting conditions now, just as the case with employer provided insurance before obamacare was passed, this is not an issue, this is not a problem. To say hold on, hold on. Everybody theres 20 Million People living on the coast of florida and they will all die if theres a hurricane. Thats not what were saying. By the way, first of all, im glad you referenced before, before, joan, there was obamacare. What hes saying is it was better, we should go back you said this was not a problem because before obamacare Insurance Companies could charge people significantly more if they attempted to enter the market with preexisting condition and that is what the law does. No. I want to let joan in on this. Two things we know will happen if its signed into law. Number one, states would have an option to get a waiver saying they no longer have to supply this baseline. They can get out of that. Also allow Insurance Companies to get out from under Community Rating meaning they can charge a senior five times more and charge them with preexisting conditions more. Mo brooks put this in more simple terms. This is mo brooks on cnn explaininghat that means. They will allow Insurance Companies to require people who have Higher Health care costs to tribute more to the insurance pool that helps offset all these costs there by reducing the cost to those people who lead good lives, are healthy, they have done the things to keep their bodies healthy. Right now those are the people who have done things the right way that are seeing their costs skyrocketing b skyrocketing. Every law chooses winners and losers. What a law is. Republicans are saying the winners should be in mo brooks words people who live good lives and healthy and unhealthy with preexisting conditions should pay more. They are admitting sick people should pay more. And they brought it on themselves. Tell that to cancer survivors, young cancer survivors. It brought insight into the mindset of the bill. I want to describe a couple of things. In the beginning you said its going take 880 billion from medicaid to give a big tax cut to the top. 1 . And our friend ed said, no, thats not what it does. It actually does do that, ed. You focused on other things it does. Thats not all it does. We have to get a baseline established. It does do that. The other argument here, i guess i would also say, im not sure, joy, this is not going to affect Donald Trumps base. Because as perry was pointing out, the first cbo score showed that a 64yearold making 25 or 30,000 a year is going to see his or her premiums jump by 10,000, their out of pocket Prescription Drug costs jump by 9,000 or so. So those are the people. Its true for people who are 50 to 64, those people are hurt the worst. If you look at maps of where the subsidies have been going, it looks like a map of Donald Trumps strength. Especially pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin. Remember, the south did not take the Medicaid Expansion by and large, which would be phased out. That would be gone by 2017. That is in the bill. Phase out Medicaid Expansions. If youre between the poverty rate. To the point just made, if you go through and look at estimated premium surcharge for somebody who is 40 years old with any of the following preexisting conditions, center for American Progress looked at how much they would pay. Met static cancer, Breast Cancer will, 42,650. Lung cancer and other severe cancers, 72,000. Rheumatoid arthritis. You know how many people suffer from that. Drug dependence, donald trump said was important. 20,000. They phase out drug control office. Heart failure, 18,000. All the way down. Diabetes, autism, pregnancy. Its inarguable a lot of people who voted for donald trump are going to pay more. Thats exactly right. Im sorry to hear about your mom, joy. Look, the republicans took a bill that was 17 Approval Rating and managed to make it even more unpopular. They gutted and took out the most important popular parts of obamacare like those essential benefits for Maternity Leave and Everything Else people really truly cared about, taking preexisting care to folks who need insurance. Then they did that and then they went and voted for something they didnt read. They didnt take a look at, look at new cbo score. Then they get on the bus like a bunch of third graders to the white house for a school trip and take a shockingly all white photoop with the president who has a really low Approval Rating for what, a bill dead on arrival at the senate, a bill that will never become law. Its just really unfathomable. Not only that, theres going to be textbooks written, entire textbooks written on the malpractice of this week alone. So now a day after you have the independent Cook Political Report come out and move 20 house member seat to the democratic side. Why . Repuican moderates voted for this. They were the deciding factor on this bill. Im going to give the last one to ed. Presumably you read the bill hopefully. On fox news friday sapg assuyind pay more. Take a listen. Under obamacare, the older folks and sicker folks could pay three times more than younger folks. This plan its five times more. Thats going in the wrong direction. Its pricing for what the individuals Health Status is. Thats to appreciate. Somebody is going to pay for Health Coverage for american people. Is it justifying and the position, i should say, of the conservative movement and Republican Party that these two things are true, older and sicker people in your view should be charged more by Insurance Companies and thats what this bill is going to do and the wealthy, essentially, should not be paying to subsidize poor folks because they are getting a big tax cut. Youre talking about age rating provisions in obamacare. Ahca. Yes. Let me just tell you, the reality is and i published on this and actuaries have published on this. People 64 consume five times the amount of health care as somebody who is 20 years old. Now, what the aca did is say you cant charge them more than three to one. Here is what happened. Remember we were talking about before the election. There werent enough young people signing up. Why . Going five to one to three to one, they drove up premiums for young adults by 30 plus percent and decreased it for somebody 55 or over by 10 pe . If you go back there will be a slilt increase older and bring down the cost of those younger. Remember, before republicans took over, before trump took over, the big complaint aca wasnt getting enough young people. Why . They made an error in this three to one in the law and they were driving young people away from the bill. Were running out of time. I want to give perry, an admission it is winners and sers, picking young and affluent saying they should lower premiums at all costs even in sick and elderly and disabled play more. Is this something republicans feel confident running for reelection on . I dont know if they feel confident about that. This week i learned the most, no republican wants to be blamed for stopping will Obamacare Repeal. Freedom caucus wanted it off their desk, now Mitch Mcconnell has the problem and republicans in the senate. They dont want to be blamed for blocking the obamacare either. The momentum will drive the process forward, about the fact everyone knows they promised to repeal obamacare and they are going to keep trying to do it. Thats why one time in my life i will disappear, this will not become law. Wait for it. Mitch mcconnell will move heaven and earth to make something of this nature law because repeal and replace obamacare is the prime directive of the Republican Party because its got the word obama in it. Back later in the show. Im sure the fight will be epic. Thank you, ed, for being courageous enough to come on and defend the bill because none of the republicans in congress were. Will a russian hack give Marine Le Pen the presidency. Stay with us. Isnt it time to let the real you shine through . Introducing otezla, apremilast. Otezla is not an injection or a cream. 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Macron is unable to respond to the tack because the leak became hours before statutory campaigning day blackout went into account. Macrons team said hacking amounts to the same kind of destabilization attack russians pulled in the u. S. Election last year. Joining me christopher dickey, daily news editor for the daily beast. The question everyone is asking and everyone is slightly freaking out about, whether or not this hack attack would have the same effect on the French Election that it had on the u. S. Election here. No, i dont think so. For starters, its practically the dog that didnt bark here in france. Because of the blackout on campaigning, theres also a blackout on news about this. Certainly the mainstream news media are not picking up on any of the supposed revelations, which vs been pretty minor anyway. A lot of people here in france dont know this happened. Thats good news, a difference between their system and hours, this blackout idea. One of the things thats similar, a lot similar, this group fancy bear, which was the russian attacking outfit that attacked Hillary Clinton campaign, released John Podestas emails but the involvement of a couple of things. This online trolling site before midnight, someone posted links to large data taken from macrons campaign, financial data, it was only a couple days ago crude forgery reporteding macron had offshore bank account in the caribbean. 4chan, material disseminated through 4chan, gig bats of data and contents of hard drive and coworkers, political officials. But the other actor that seems to be in common is wikileaks. Wikileaks retweeted this macron leaks hashtag calling it significant, saying its not feasible to fabricate the whole thing and giving credence to it. Saying, well, its a practical joke but were examining. Are wikileaks and 4chan actors in this or the same way they were used as a vessel for the foreign hackers. No, i think they are thought to be vehicles for whoever is doing the hacking. A few days ago, i was talking to i. T. People on the Macron Campaign. They were very explicit about the kinds of hackers that were going after them and have been going after them since december. They thought they had pretty good defenses against it. Maybe they did, maybe they didnt. One of the issues thats interesting here, joy, this question of how much is fake in these files. And wikileaks when they read the statement from the Macron Campaign saying a lot of these materials are fake, wikileaks very smugly said, we dont think they can read this material faster than we did and we think its legit. Here is an interesting wrinkle. They told me and we published this in the daily beast several days ago that one of the ways they fond to phishing attacks trying to get into emails with false sign on pages, that kind of thing, is to actually answer them and flood them with fake information and misleading information. So it may well be, although the macron people cant talk about it right now, it may well be they know some of this is fake because they gave them fake information. Its identified exactly who is doing this. Very interesting. One other thing interesting the daily beast wrote about, your piece, the french are not as susceptible in a lot of ways to these kinds of attacks as maybe british and u. S. Electorates are. Why do you suppose that is . Well, you know the french are very susceptible to conspiracy theories, in fact. They circulate that all the time. This kind of attack is just alien to french culture. I think the fact it was coming from the United States is very suspect in the view of a lot of french people. Finally theres an interesting wrinkle here, which is theres no bombshell that weve seen in this at all. Theres nothing that would really disrupt the Macron Campaign. Many of the supposed revelations show that macrons people are saying, no, you cant fake contributions. Paying too much. We need to give you money back. Actually it makes them sound more legitimate rather than less. So i think the point of this dump, if it was to undermine macrons campaign, and i assume it was, because it was done exactly before right before the blackout on news, the point of the dump is the dump itself because it sounds incriminating. The interesting thing, of course, the french have higher turnout. They tend to turnout against le pen when either is on the ballot. Not the trumpian effect. Our friend winds up popping back up in the story. If you remember he was on our philly focus group during the election and a boycott against star wars which went really, really well. Star wars democrats well at the box office. Put out ms that, always interesting when he pops up. Well check back with you tomorrow. Thank you. Coming up, friday night news dumping reig natured russiagate thats next. D russ thats next. D russiagate thats next. D russiagate thats next. 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Comey answered by recounting the conversation he had with himself. If i were not to speak about that, it would be a disastrous, catastrophic concealment. Incredibly painful choice but not all that hard between very bad and catastrophic. I had to Tell Congress we were taking these additional steps. I prayed to find a third door. I couldnt find it. Its difficult to measure the precise extent to which that painful choice helped deliver the white house to donald trump but comey wants us to feel his pain and know hes sick, just sick, at the very thought. This is terrible. It makes me mildly nauseous to think we might have had some impact on the election. But honestly, it wouldnt change the decision. Everybody who disagrees with me has to come back to october th with me and stare at this and tell me what you would do. Would you rms conceal. Despite the fact he may have impacted the election he was resolute about this warning with russian interference. 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Then a separate Associated Press report dropped this scoop. Flynns contacts with the Russian Ambassador set off barnicle bells for the Obama Administration about the trump teams russian ties. Obama officials became so concerned about those contacts, they decided to delay telling the trump teams about their plans to delay telling about the election, might tip off moscow. Nbc further reported Obama Administration tried to avoid that tip off by averting hours instead of days before the announcement. Here with me now malcolm nance, nbc contributor, the plot to attack america. Author o how to catch a russian spy. Msnbc security analyst evelyn farkas. I want to come to you first. I want to go around the table and everyone react to that. First to you, the idea does it ring true to you that members of the trump team, Trump Transition Team thought that perhaps mixz flynn was naive about the Russian Ambassador, he didnt know who he was dealing with given the fact he used to be head of the Defense Intelligence agency. I dont know if they thought he was naive or not. They may have thought he was taking on too much risk. Whether they cared what motivation was or not doesnt matter. They knew that what Michael Flynn was doing was dangerous, if not problematic, and so they were trying to stop him is what it appears. I happen to know these people, the people if the trump transition. Full disclosure i went to graduate school billingsley, the person said to have warned general flynn. Marshalls solid Foreign Policy expert. He knows what the russians are up to. Presumably he understood this is an adversary not an ally. Really quickly to stay with you, evelyn, since you do know mr. Billingsley who figures prominently in the ap stories, was he a trump insider or somebody coming in to try to help the trump team but not an intimate of team trump . I cant characterize his relationship, because whey know of it is just from the press. Sure. So i dont know any more than anyone else. It seems to me he was hired, brought in as an expert. Someone who may or may not have been involved in the campaign. Clearly once it came time to govern, that is his expertise. Policy foreign official worked in washington many years in the executive and legislative branch. Lets go around the table and have you respond to two things. This idea mr. Billingsley and others in the Transition Team on the trump side thought maybe Michael Flynn was just naive about russia. Maybe he didnt know who they were and who kislyak was. Does that ring true to you . No. That doesnt ring true to me at all. In fact, when i read the story, i immediately started filling in a lot of the holes of what we already know based on these behaviors. The behaviors first from the Transition Team already having suspicions about Michael Flynn. Even if billingsley thought they were naive and justomeone who didnt know what he was talking about, this is former director of Defense Intelligence agency, the First American Intelligence Officer to ever visit military headquarters of military intelligence. On the other side you have the Obama Administration. They knew what was going on with Michael Flynn way back in july and august you had the director of intelligence, remember, with his reports he was hair on fire going around to the gang of eight to talk about russian contacts with russian Intelligence Officers. And then into december we had that story of Michael Flynn may have had contact or inadvertent contact with a russian Intelligence Officer, Cambridge Intelligence group in england. All of these things put together spell out to me that Michael Flynn, for the people who really knew on the obama team was dirty. Dirty enough. Thats an intelligence term. That means he has contacts or links he may or may not know about to a Foreign Intelligence Agency. They were so concerned that they did not want him to have access to an imminent actions on the part of the government. This story is very, very much deeper than i thought it was before. I thought the guy was just an unwitting asset. Now its starting to lead to make us wonder, was he actually recruited by a Foreign Intelligence Agency. Somebody who did just that work of attempting to pretend to be recruited by the same foreign agency. Is it possible that somebody at Michael Flynns level just really didnt understand who Sergey Kislyak was and didnt understand him . Does this ring at all true to you . Absolutely not. Malcolm is 1,000 correct here. Its clear to me the relationship between Michael Jackson flynn and the russia dates back to before trump decided to run for president. This is a very long relationship. When dealing with russian intelligence, one does not collude, one is tasked, recruited. What concerns me looks there was concern about Michael Flynn. He should not have ever been selected to be nsa. Someone fired by a previous president shouldnt be picked up by following administration. That being said, the day that someone brought this information of any concern to President Trump is the day President Trump should have revoked his clearances. If there was one hour past that, he was aware of these concerns that he decided to let mr. Flynn in, that is damming. Essentially what youre saying, theres a potential risk, someone in cahoots, direction of a Foreign Intelligence Agency sitting at the high level of the white house you are allowing to continue on in that position, that is unconscionable. Two acts, one, did they recruit mr. Flynn. Secondly, when did the white house, trump transitions trump know about this, did he decide not to remove mr. Flynn knowing there were genuine concerns he was a russian agent. By the way, it wasnt the idea of trying to quarantine Michael Flynn off is made very complicated by the fact Washington Post and ap stories said Jared Kushner in one of those meetings, too. Malcolm, do you want to Say Something . Yeah. If i was a Counterintelligence Team tasked out on watching behaviors of general flynn and thinking there was some suspicion about him orhe people around him and that he may, in fact, be man it latipum the one thing i would watch out for is these behaviors when these sanctions were implemented. His immediate behavior was to reach out five times to a foreign diplomat, known intelligence collector, with authorization from donald trump, that would have been proof for me. At that point i would have been rolling this guy up. We would have pulled him in for counterintelligence polygraph, squeezed his clearance and considered him a turned asset. None of that happened. I want to really quickly while i have time play you guys what i thought was interesting 67 seconds were not going to play the whom 67 seconds. This is senator asking a specific question about Whatsapp Jim Comey is doing. In the investigations that youre currently doing on the russian interference and trump teams relationship, are you coordinating with any u. S. Attorneys office in this investigation . Two sets of prosecutors, main justice, National Security division and Eastern District of virginia u. S. Attorneys office. This was interesting. On april 28th, these sets of tweets went pretty viral. This is a guy called Claude Taylor who tweeted, this just in with a source of knowledge of comeys investigation. Two grand jurys have convened and i know one is complete. I want to ask you about this. This stood out to me. You have jim comey talking boult working with u. S. Attorneys in virginia, u. S. Attorneys office where people know Eastern District what they call the rocket docket, theres been a lot of speculation, not just by mr. Taylor but others that there may actually be grand jurys looking at this. It does feel like Michael Flynn might be somebody they would be looking at. Do you feel like that would be credible. Not just Michael Flynn. Paul manafort acting as a foreign agent. We know that, hadnt filed, hadnt declared it. The other question is whether russian meddling despite the fact they were aggressively meddling, all the workman, a fort and flynn were doing for them, it also constitutes a contribution to the trump campaign. So there are Campaign Finance laws involved as well. So a lot to be said. Iant to let viewers know, this is something were going to be looking into a lot further. Ticktock ticktock, not ending soon. Thank you guys for being here. Appreciate it. 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Joining me is Tom Perriello who is running for governor in virginia. What a great ad. You lost your seat for voting for to expand health care. Does it surprise you that your colleagues who went through that experience with you, a lot who came into office because of that, are willing to risk their seat to take health carekacare from people . For me i was happy to give up my political seat in order to ensure people actually had health care, and hundreds of people over the years have come to me and talked to me about how this saved their lives, the lives of their children, saved their businesses from bankruptcy, and thats a much greater reward than a second term in congress. But to risk your seat in congress in order to take Peoples Health care kacare awa undermine the essential benefits package seems to me like a very odd Political Risk but also resumen risk to take and thats what weve seen here with a very bad vote this week. The whole ideaf bringing up health care which waso painful for the democrats but the only lesson that the republicans learned was not to let this take long. Republicans went the express rout to this health care repeal, at least in the house. But it still has resulted in essentially the same thing. The Cook Political Report has come out and theyve put 20 gopheld seats now rated more favorable for democrats. And then if you go to just the history of this, the first Midterm Election for a new president is always bad for the president s party, right . Historically, the house the party in power has lost seats. So history is not on the republicans side, but do you think that the Democratic Party is politically prepared to take advantage of this, just from what you know of the dccc world . I think the party is ready but in many ways the energy right now is outside the party in these movements, the indivisible groups and huddle groups around the country and people are super fired up. The amount of energy weve seen to try to save the Affordable Care act which is still possible has been incredibly inspiring. But i think the republicans have to realize they didnt just put the seats in congress in play, they actually just turned this no a state issue. So now every state legislator, every state governor candidate is going to have to answer for the fact that they may have to deal with this waive request on preexisting conditions. We challenged ed gil espy yesterday about whether or not he will consider these waivers that introduce preexisting conditions and undermine issues like mental Health Coverage and pre and post natal care. Its not just the House Majority theyve put in place but also state legislators around the country starting this year in virginia. Im going to come back to virginia in a second but scott walker in wisconsin has already been confronted with this issue that hasnt even passed the senate yet. This is scott walker trying to deal with the situation. Im waiting to see what gets to the president s desk. He said he would consider seeking a waiver for a federal rule so this puts republicans in an odd position. They are against this idea o the gernment forcing and mandating rance, but then they themselves dont want to pay the price. Youre in virginia obviously where this is the ultimate swing state, the ultimate purple state. Do you think that repealing obamacare will be a voting issue and will this be what gets you in . Its certainly going to be an issue that is very relevant in this election acnd i think will be very good news for democrats but i think all of us would rather have people keep their health care because ultimately this is about peoples lives. But i hear people across the state from the reddest counties to the bluest counties who dont want to see us go back a decade on these issues of being able to be denied for preexiexisting conditions. The thing i hear about most is the issue of lifetime caps because you need to make sure youre covered when something terrible happens. The issue of Medicaid Expansion in virginia, i believe next year will be the best chance yet to expand that coverage because were seeing in red parts of virginia that can literally look across the border into kentucky and say why do those folks have the Medicaid Expansion and not us here in virginia. We think this is a huge political issue this year. One of the issues of course for democrats is that your elections take place in off years. Republicans have been very strategic about that. Th do you think thats going to hurt turnout in are you going to get the turnout you need in order to be elected govern of virginia . We are going to flip the script this year. 8 years ago the republican Tea Party Wave began in virginia. This year the progressive wave is going to begin in virginia and were going to see it go into 2018. 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Some of you might know the character as the inspiration for cher in the movie clueless. Shes rich, stylish, has a sunny disposition and diligently cares for her powerful father. Shes also a little too selfassured which in the film takes the form of cluelessly reading botched adages as tokens of advice. She says things that could be described as a strawberry milkshake of inspiration that feels like eating scented cotton balls. Thats how writers for the New York Times describe the new book by ivanka trump. Her new book women who work, is a surprisingly not ironic if you can believe it, espially after reading passages of sage advice like this. To master communication, ask questions and listen well. To communicate with her readers, ivanka borrows heavily from other successful famous people, sheryl sandberg, mark twain, Nelson Mandela and even nichy show up. She also takes these quotes completely out of context. For example, how do you tell wealthy women how to manage their emails . Well, you compare it to slavery and quote tony morrison. Seriously. Before asking her readers, are you a slave to your time or the master of it . She quotes beloved, a novel about psychological ghosts of slavery. Freeing yourself was one thing. Claiming ownership of that freed self is another. Tony morrison. Ivan ivankas telephone attempt to dr women goes beyond her book however. Last week she said she had started a global fund for female entrepreneurs with contributions from both countries and companies. Hello, clinton foundation, hi, this is the irony department. Yeah, well call you later. Thanks. After the comment sparked concerns about conflict of interest, the white house said that ivanka will not personally solicit donations and that the fund would merely be run by the world bank. Joining me is joan walsh, careen peer and lisa bloom. From the department of irony, thank you all for being here. Tony morrison was totally trying to talk about women ceos in that book, beloved. Like father like daughter is the way the New York Times describes ivanka. This is a quote from that piece. Though their demeanors are different, shes guarded where he is unfetered. Shes more like her father than people realize. Lisa bloom, she does seem to definitely be constantly marketi marketing, no . She does. So many people have this trust in ivanka, that shes progress sev sieve, an underlying force. But i think the problem is the idea that Beautiful People must be benevolent. She never takes a stand on anything thats controversial. She really doesnt say anything new. She doesnt have any insights. And this is the adviser whos whispering in the ear of the president of the United States. Yeah, and you know, the idea, joan, was that she was going to be this great moderating influence on her dad because shes so benevolent, and she was going to fight for womens issues. The New York Times profile claim that ivanka trump tried to claim that planned parenthood should be split in two with a smaller arm to provide abortions and a larger one devoted to Womens Health services. She was trying to find a common sense solution. Planned parenthood officials said they thought her advice was naive, failing to understand womens reproductive rights. Its odd because they do somewhat have separate structures for abortion and contraceptive services, so she doesnt even know that. They have to handle money that comes from the government, medicaid reimbursements that none of it goes to abortion care. She just thinks its possible to jetson your abortion services. I thought that was a really interesting example. Also, can we just go back to beloved for one second. That book is about the psychological wages and destruction under slavery and about a mothers very, very, very awful choice about what constitutes freedom. Im not going to give anything away if you havent read it. But that you could be so shallow as to take one of the more hair rowing books in our cannon and make it about time management and answering email. Thats all you need to know about this book. For affluent women. Karina, it is shocking that she thinks these quotes are about someone like her who has a fleet of nannies and lots of money that she clearly didnt understand the point of that book. Its insulting to women, women of color, black women in police offic particular, that she would try to make any connections. She has no idea. Shes always lived in essentially a castle and has no idea what real life is for every day people. Look, the apple doesnt fall far from the tree when it comes to ivanka trump. Shes very much like her father. Its all about the bottom line. Its all about profiting from the presidency, and what we saw this week with her book was pure hypocrisy. It was like it was just on full display. On the one hand shes using this book to show that shes a champion for women, a fighter for women, but then on the other hand shes cheering on her father whos passing a bill, a health care bill, that is going to hurt women greatly, defunding planned parenthood, taking away maternity care. And not only that, lets not forget the white house is rolling back workforce protection for women. Its just its just insane. Theres also the question of the book itself and the way shes promoting which is very donald trumpian. She claimed she was not going to promote the book, that she had written it before the election happened, and yet here she is on social media saying she was going to avoid promoting it but then she promoted it anyway. This is the nonbook tour book tour, and in fact many authors would love to have the social Media Campaign for their books that she has because she has millions of followers. She even had a state Department Official retweeting something that she posted that was a book promotion. Ultimately they had to delete it. So heres a little video that she made of this strange dancing with her child. I guess its cute. Thats nice. But this is to promote her book. Lets keep in mind that the whole women who work concept is something that was focus grouped years ago because women didnt relate to her for her brand. They saw her as a wealthy woman who was out of touch with them. They did focus groups and came up with the women who work hashtag and then her brand started to do better and now shes developed it into a book. Theres a real lack of authenticity here and thats why women dont connect with ivanka. I just imagine what would happen if Chelsea Clinton were out there promoting women who work. You have ivanka trump who wants to be seen as just a daughter, just daddys daughter, but she also is an official working in the white house and claiming that her niche is promoting womens issues but on the issue, for instance, of Maternity Leave, if you go back to that same New York Times proposfil theres a former executive who was at ivanka trumps company and says she was pregnant when ms. Trump offered her a job in the summer of 2013 and asked about paid Maternity Leave and described ivanka trump as saying, quote, we dont have paid Maternity Leave here. I went back to work one week after having my child so thats something im used to. And i have a fleet of nannies so i can go back to work after one week. Theres so much hypocrisy here. Also, she did stand and clap when her father was having a little party to celebrate taking health carekacare away from wom she has not pushed for parental leave even in her capacity as Top White House adviser with security clearance, so she really wants to have this appearance of being a force for good and yet shes accomplished nothing and she applauds cruelty. And sean spicer, karine, attempted to sort of explain what it is shes doing in the white house. She does have top security clearance. This is sean trying to explain what ivanka trump does for a living. Can you clarify for us what exactly her areas of responsibility are here and what here qualifications are for those responsibilities. Sure. I think ivanka has built a very successful business. Shes been working with women to talk about empowerment and education for quite some time. Its a passion of hers. And i think for her to bring both her business acumen and success, her passion for women, empowerment and education karine, is that something you worked in the white house. Is that something you need a white house job to do . Couldnt she just do that as first daughter . Yes, she could easily do it as first daughter. Shes not doing it anyway so why do you have to go into the white house. Look, were not stupid. The white house seems to think that were just a bunch of dummies out here, that we cant call out the real things that we see. And you know, at the end of the day we have to hold her accountab accountable when shes not. I think its good that we continue to talk about it. Lisa, i have to come back to this issue of the emoluments clause which is a recurring theme in this presidency. Ivanka trump not only promoting her book but also there was a piece about the manila trump tower, that she was in an ad and up until this week the projects web page and this is not owned by trump but they get a licensing fee. Donald trump several years before elected president declaring the skyscraper named near the capital is something very special like no ones ever seen before. Ivanka trump is pictured in ads for it. Also she has a jewel rry line, shoe collection. If foreign leaders for instance wanted to curry favor with the family, theres so much ivanka trump stuff they could buy, factories they could open. Is there ever going to be a zeroing in on her emoluments issues . There should be. One thing we cant measure are these words, womens empowerment, shes supporting women. Theres no Measurable Results in anything that she does. The only Measurable Results are to her pocket, from her brand, from her shoes, from her jewelry, to her dad, from the real estate empire. 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With an estate plan including wills or a living trust that grows along with you and your family. Legalzoom. Legal help is here. Theyre back. Barack obama has taken a break from the beach. Hillary clinton has come out of the woods. And they both are democrat partying like its 2008, taking their messages on the road to different audiences across america. Not everyone knows how this whole former president thing works and people are hashtag outraged that barack obama accepted 400,000 for a speaker fee. The horror. Obama appeared hashtag unbothered on wednesday when he unveiled the design for his new president ial center in chicago. What we want this to be is the worlds premiere institution for training young people and leadership to make a difference in their communities, in their countries, and in the world. Meanwhile, the resistance just acquired its most high profile member when Hillary Clinton joined the cause while offering her analysis of her election defeat. Im now back to being an activist citizen and part of the resistance. I was on the way to winning until a combination of jim comeys letter on october 28th and russian wikileaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off. Joining me now, political strategist el zoi williams and josh borrow and karen finney, former Senior Adviser and senior spokesperson for Hillary Clinton. Thank you all. Great to have you all here. When the obama outrage took place over the 400,000, it bothered a lot of people who supported him because, wait a minute, every former president does get these level of speaking fees. Hes a great speaker. The obamas also have now put up 2 million for summer jobs and apprenticeships for chicago youth which is many times the amount that they got speaker fees for. Do you think this was overdone, the outrage . Yeah, but everybodys going to outrage about everything that he does for the rest of eternity. Its not out of the ordinary and not new when its referring to president obama. Everything is an outrage, whether its something that is valid or invalid. I personally didnt care about the speaker fees but since were talking about it, i think youre right that everybody in that particular category gets speaker fees. I think i would have had a problem with it and it remains to be seen if he was only giving speeches to those companies and institutions that were paying that amount of money if he wasnt also doing other speeches, other Community Actions or things like that. So that remains to be seen, what else he does with his time afterwards. But if it becomes a pattern where he is only giving speeches or only gifving his time to people who pay that amount of money, then i think thats a problem. However, i do understand where people are trying to, you know, distance themselves or want the left to distance themselves from wall street or the appearance of being 1 or wealthy and how this can contribute to that factor which we saw during the campaign. It hurt Hillary Clinton in that aspect as well. Whats interesting, josh, i do feel like theres this wall street contagion and on the left theres a sense that anything that touches wall street is contagious, it is a disease. Even if lets say you gave a speech to some Goldman Sachs entity and turned all the money over to charity, that money is tainted forever, democrats must never touch anything thats a bank. Am i just seeing that . I dont think its about wall street being a disease. I think its about the problem with speaking fees like this is that if people expect president s and people expect that president s will take fees like this from industries that they regulate at great consequence, then people will worry that president s will make decisions in office to avoid alien yating those banks. This is a relatively recent innovation back to gerald ford. The president ial pension was created in the 1950s because harry truman refused to take speaking fees, board seats and the sort because he said that would commercialize the dignity of the office of the presidency. So really the only democrat who has done this at scale in his post presidency is bill clinton and i think the clintons postpresidency Business Activities where theyve gotten very wealthy dealing with industries that they regulated in the past and Hillary Clinton hoped to regulate in the future, i dont think thats good for the brand or the Clinton Family or the Democratic Party. Its definitely true that a lot of people have done this. Barack obama is not the first, but i think ex president s shouldnt do this. I think it would be better if obama followed the stnlandards jimmy carter and harry truman. The people who are not mentioned in what josh just said were any republicans because the only ex president that ive heard criticized for speaking fees and what they do financially after office are democrats. There does appear to be a double standard. Karen is shaking her head. There seems to be a huge double standard that only seems to talk about the clintons and the obamas. The fact of the matter is if obama was regulating and governing in order to get money from wall street, he did a pretty terrible job doing it. This is a president that helped pass doddfrank. He is speaking at a Health Care Conference and he was the president that actually guaranteed 20 million Americans Health care, so this president is not in office, he is not running for office. He has every right to do this. And i think this is viewed entirely through partisan lens and we should move on. There are more important things to talk about when you have the kushners hawking visas in china and the president using the federal government to subsidize his properties. Why are we talking about a speech that by the way got the same rate as larry the cable guy when he speaks to events around the country. I think this is all made up and ridiculous. Karen, notoriously wall street despised barack obama. He wouldnt invite them to state dinners. You had the whining of the head of chase bank which im forgetting his name at the moment who was constantly complaining, called them fat cats. Wall street hated obama, but now you have on the partisan Point Congress literally threatening to go after the president s pension, go after the pension because of obama, right . Thats Jason Chaffetz being petty and ridiculous. Lets remember that jason also wanted to bring in the guy who had been working on hillarys server a couple weeks ago, right . So thats just absolutely ridiculous, this idea of going after the fees. I agree with guy. We have so many bigger problems and as a party we have such bigger problems and things that we need to deal with. Our problem is not about, i personally think, just raising money from wealthy people. Its about how do we make sure we get back to the grassroots. If were going to raise that money, lets use it to do things like what president obama is talking about now in terms of lets have places where we are training the best and the brightest and making sure that were Building Leaders for tomorrow. Lets do those kinds of things rather than worry about how much he gets paid to go and get the same as joe the cable guy. By the way, hes also endorsed Emmanuel Macron in france and has been apparently very helpful to him so far. So hes doing other things, not just giving speeches. Lets move on for a moment and talk about the reemergence of the clinton and the obamas and what this does mean for democratic politics. Theres a sense that Hillary Clinton should stay in the woods, never come back out, and yet she came out and tweeted about the health care vote, called it a shameful failure of policy and morality, saying fight back on behalf of millions of families. Then on friday cnn reported that shes going to launch a resistance pablct. Good or bad for the party . Im much more excited about the reemergence of obama than Hillary Clinton. I think Obama Left Office very popular. I think hes a very good messenger for the ideas that the democrats will be putting out in opposition to donald trump. I think there are a couple of problems with Hillary Clintons reemergence. One, shes an unpopular figure. So many voters went into the voting booth disapproving of both candidates and they broke overwhelmingly for donald trump. Its good for donald trump when he can have Hillary Clinton out there as the counter factual for himself. I think theres internal business in the party where theres a temptation to refight Bernie Hillary proxy fights forever which is stupid. And i think it should be easy for the party to move on from that because people have shared goals and we all hate donald trump, et cetera, et cetera. But i think so long as clinton is around and running a pact, theres going to be a temptation to have these proxy fights like were seeing the primary for the governor of virginia turning into a Clinton Bernie proxy fight. I see no significant policy difference between both candidates. Lets bring karen in. Two things. Number one, this should not be a proxy fight about hillary and bernie but bernie is also giving speeches hes an elected official. Hold on. Hes doing it not just in his own state but around the country to continue to push ideas. So my point there is just to suggest that he also his being out there and continuing to talk about those ideas, keep those ideas out there. And i think we should be talking about the ideas rather than trying to put them in a Bernie Hillary frame. Second, josh, i dont know how the hell you can say Hillary Clinton is unpopular when she won 3 million more votes by reading the polls. She lost an election to donald trump. Which is a tragedy, and we messed up and she talked about that. But particularly if you look at the margins, theyre very slim. And a number of people either voted third party or didnt vote or voted for trump. Some of the people who voted for trump you and i talked about this earlier this week. I dont think you got what i was saying and ill say it again. They were more afraid of diversity than economic concerns. Thats a deep problem we need to deal with in this country. More importantly, i think the more people we have out there talking about ideas and helping look, what shes trying to do with this pact is to raise money to help to fund some of these fantastic groups that have like indivisible, i dont know specifically if theyre going to get funds but there are a number of really exciting groups that are out there. Im working with one of them. They are really trying to take charge and get involved and i think anything that we can be doing to fund our grassroots and to be supporting young people in particular who want to take up the mantle and address these problems because theyre the ones who are going to have to fix what donald trump is doing, i think that is a good thing and we should be glad for it. Are we ever going to be able to get out of this vortex that we cannot escape . Particularly because i think its partly our fault in terms of those of us who go on tv and continue to talk about polls and the fight between bernie and hillary and the party is falling victim to this and not against the people who make up that party. So there are millions of people who voted for Hillary Clinton and believed in her as a potential president , and so as the party was, you know, throwing Bernie Sanders out all across the country to try to unite the party, thats when i was here before and talking about thats what was missing. There are voters that voted for bernie. There are voters who voted for Hillary Clinton. When they saw their own values and they saw their own political ideology in a Hillary Clinton and those are, if youre saying not that she shouldnt be in the conversation, you are also telling those voters that their political values and that their input doesnt matter. I wish we had more time. Guy, i feel like i owe you an entire segment by yourself. 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Relief and remission within reach. Everything your family touches sticks with them. Make sure the germs they bring home dont stick around. Use clorox disinfecting products. Because no one kills germs better than clorox. Still, am i still the host . Im still the host at the end of that monologue i had a few choice insults for the president in return. I dont regret that. So while i would do it again, i would change a few words that were cruder than they needed to be. After receiving a litany of complaints about the now infamous monologue, the federal Communications Commission said it will investigate the comedians comments about donald trump and will take, quote, appropriate action. Colberts most vocal critics are conservatives according to a slate analysis and using the fire colbert hashtag theyve called for his removal from cbs for one particular line in the monologue, claiming that it was homophobic. Joining me now, daily beast columnist, political comedian state blakeman and actress judy gold. I want to first go ahead and play the offending remarks. Were cable so fcc cant do anything to us for playing it. This is what colbert said that people are upset about. Take a listen. Sir, you attract more skinheads than free rogaine. You have more people marching against you than cancer. You talk like a sign language gorilla who got hit in the head. In fact, the only thing your mouth is good for is being Vladimir Putins [mute]. So this was called an oreilly equivalent by people on the right. You can ruminate on the irony of the right who have antitrans bills and who want religious freedom amendments that target gay people. Putting aside the potential irony saying its homophobic but you wrote a piece saying one trump joke is not an oreilly equivalent. Explain. It means never having to say youre sorry. We never have to apologize for a donald trump ever. I dont care, anything, completely, nothing is off limits with this guy. I think comedians are playing a role in preventing him from being normalized. Yet on twitter they went crazy. Even brit hum from fox news saying what will be the consequences. They want to silence Stephen Colbert from mocking donald trump. This dictator in the making, donald trump, they were so outraged they want to silence him. They think one joke is the equivalent of bill oreilly paying rush money. Too bad little snowflakes. Were going to make as many jokes as you want. You need a safe space, go hide. Put on your big boy pants. Because its just beginning. The complaint, ill pull a little bit about the monologue and saying too many times people on the right are attacked for even the smallest reaction like bill oreillys hot chocolate. I dont remember the right being upset about bill oreilly calling that young black woman hot chocolate. Do you think this is unfair that the right gets picked on for being mean . No comedian should be punished or investigated by the fcc or anyone for a joke. This in the same week that 217 republicans laughed and whooped it up taking away health care for millions of americans. And comedians are the bad guys . Its absurd. Stephen colbert is funny, smart, fearless, everything the president is not. The kmacomplaint is that they he chose to attack donald trump was actually an attack on the lgbt community. Do you buy that . As a member of the lgbt community, no, i dont buy it at all. It was a funny joke. Its funny. Comedians are Truth Tellers and as scott said, theyre fearless. You know, to me, the outrage that we had to listen to about ann coulter and her hate speech at berkeley that the conservatives were, oh, you know, theres too much Political Correctness, too much of this and too much of that. This guys a comedian. He is telling a joke. Funny is funny. Look, the thing that really gets me is that were watching debates, and marco rubio and donald trump are doing dick jokes during the debates. Why dont we investigate that. They did them on cable though. Right. The other issue is you have this rolling thing of cancel this and cancel that. The latest is cancel colbert, trying to get it out. This was back when he did a joke at the expense of asianamericans. There was a campaign back in 2014 to do it. He did apologize for that joke which was insensitive racially. Then you fast forward to today and hes had his best ratings since 2015. Hes come a long way since that 2014 mistake. Look, every person, every american has the right dean and i and judy, some nights people think were funny, thats peoples rights. Some defend it, some do not. I stand by Stephen Colbert and think this fcc investigation by the chairman is over the top, unwarranted. Theres nothing indecent or obscene about what Stephen Colbert said. In fact, mr. Big antiregulations and wants to take regulations away from service providers, classic example of overreach. Youre not supposed to apply these rules after 10 00 p. M. Cbs bleeped it out, covered up his mouth. So theres no case at all. I think hes making a name for himself and that name is joe mccarthy. You do have a sense the that this is a white house that has mandated apparently that tvs in all federal agencies must be tune today fox news where theres a guy named jesse waters whos back from vacation after making a truly vulgar joke about the president s daughter. Donald trump in october tweeted that saturday night live should be cancelled because they didnt like them making fun of him. We have here a budding dictatorship. Theres a man donald trump likes erdogan who wanted a comedian prosecuted in germany for making fun of him through a poem. We have a real attack on free speech, its fake news, to snl. I think this should be a wakeup call for everyone on the left and right. If you value freedom of speech, freedom of expression is important to you, you have to stand up. This is absolutely wrong what donald trump is doing, absolutely wrong. Its scary and stunning. Judy, i think dean makes a very important point. While its funny to laugh at Stephen Colbert and hes obviously a funny guy, there are countries that donald trump add meyers, places like turkey where comedians are arrested for making funf the president of the United States. Do you and other comedians have a concern that at a certain point donald trump will control it . To me, you think about it and we listen to so much hate speech, so much hate speech, and as a member of the lgbt which i said before, i cant stand saying that all the time, but the point is that kids kill themselves. These kids turn on their tvs in the middle of america and hear hate speech and hate themselves. That is destructive. This was a joke. This was a joke. They defend hate speech, but they cannot take a joke. It is infuriating. I just thank god George Carlin is not alive to see this and lenny bruce is not alive to see this. Trump hates Political Correctness and they want it when it comes to comedy. The fcc should swoop in. Just reproduction were out of time. Thank you all for being here. Coming up at the top of the hour, the republicans most at risk of losing their seats after passing trump care. Up next on am joy, bad sports. What should happen when fans go too far. Are allergies holding you back . Break through your allergies. Try new Flonase Sensimist instead of allergy pills. Its more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist you may not even notice. Using unique mistpro technology, new Flonase Sensimist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances that cause your symptoms. Most allergy pills only block one. And six is greater than one. Break through your allergies. New Flonase Sensimist beckin einstein since he hange started eating beneful. 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Even passing over Jackie Robinson and willie maze as other teams integrated. The team was accused of having, a quote, anthony antinegro policy in 1984 the world series drought finally ended with the help of big papi ortiz and manny ramirez, the duo that propelled boston to two world series titles. This week a racist incident at the home of the Boston Red Sox, fenway park, has forced the city to confront its checkered racial history again. Center fielder adam jones was berated with racial heckling, including the n word, while a bag of peanuts with hurled at him. He said he had endured racist remarks at fenway before but that monday was one of the worst incidents of his 12year career. Up next, more on how boston and the rest of the sports world is reacting. Take on the mainstream. Introducing nissans new midnight edition. Everything your family touches sticks with them. Make sure the germs they bring home dont stick around. Use clorox disinfecting products. Because no one kills germs better than clorox. For years, centurylink has been promising fast internet to small businesses. But for many businesses, its out of reach. Why promise something you cant deliver . Comcast business is different. We deliver superfast internet with speeds of 250 megabits per second across our entire network, to more companies, in more locations, than centurylink. We do business where you do business. Number 10, adam jones. [ applause ] Baltimore Orioles Center Fielder adam jones got a standing ovation at bostons fenway park tuesday, just one night after enduring racial taunts from some boston fans. The Boston Red Sox issued a statement saying they have zero tolerance for such prejudice, but at that same game on tuesday, a red sox fan reported that another fan used a slur against the kenyan woman who sung the National Anthem before the game. The slur was reported by calvin hennick, who attended the game with his son and fatherinlaw in the photo. The fan has been banned from fenway for life. Joining me now is writer at large at espns the undefeated. Thank you so much, bill. Its great to see you. We were talking about the Stephen Colbert outrage and people saying, wait a minute, the fcc investigating him is a lot of overreach for a joke. Is it then wrong for us to say that people should be banned for life from fenway park, for instance, for using racial slurs against a ballplayer . Yeah, because of freedom of speech. Youre right, in some ways you cant have it both ways. So yeah, if somebody uses but heres a little i think its a little different in that number one youre in a public place and using this word that gets to sort of the core of who we are as anation, the whole n word in public. So i think its a little different. But one of the things, ive been following the story, and its nice that people we like to do that in this country. We issue a statement, we apologize, getti a standing ovation. Cool, its over, racism is done. By the way, its just boston. Wait a minute, im from chicago. Chicago is no walk in the park either. Denver. So i think thats what we do, though. We try to say one park, does one ballpark, one city, statement, what do you call it, standing ovation and were cool, were good. Lets play ball. And i think also there is a sense of trying to confine racism to the south. And anyone i lived in new england for a while. I mean it is not confined to the south, obviously. Its not confined to the past either. Curt schilling, who everybody knows, legendary ballplayer himself, in the Washington Post there was a headline that he claimed that adam jones is lying, called his assertion of racism bs. He went on his Breitbart News radio show and said that the guy is just a liar, that it never happened. See, thats the problem about where we are at this juncture. For example, theres a young lady at american university, a young black woman, who was the first black woman elected to student government. And the racial backlash was terrible. They were sending her bananas. And its awful. Its not just you know what im saying, its everywhere. For example, adam jones. How many times have you used the n word . Because i think that particularly for africanamericans, its one thing to keep pointing stuff out. Were in a climate now where people like schilling feel emboldened to say anything about black folks. So the question is, its just like when the red sox are playing the yankees, you dont see the yankees manager saying going to the red sox and saying could you please take it easy on us . How do we get our Team Together . Whats going to be our response . So as black folks, you can point to something. We are in a climate, and you know what climate we are in. What are you going to do . What are we going to do to begin to combat this. Ill tell you what some of the africanamerican players in major League Baseball are doing. Theres a yankee pitcher, c. C. Sabathia, has said players have come to expect racist taunts in boston. He said when you go to boston, expect it. He said ive never been called the n word anywhere but in boston. In 2004 barry bonds said he could never play for the Boston Red Sox. Boston is too racist for me, he said. Then you have Time Magazine wrote a piece by howard bryant. Many black ballplayers over the years have expressed hesitancy about playing in boston or inserted language in their contracts that expressly prevented them from ever beitra to the red sox. Youre talking about david justice, dave winfield. They didnt want to play there. Listen, boston has a legacy. A racist legacy. What i just dont want us to get hung up in singling out boston. Maybe c. C. Sabathia wasnt called, but ive been to boston a lot of times. So i just think lets not get hung up we are in and its not just baseball. Its government, journalism. Were in a climate now where if youre about freedom of speech, if youre about treating each other respectfully and getting rid of racism, we are in a climate where were going to have to circle the wagons. You see a position where baseball is dominated by foreignborn players. The dominican republic, venezuela, cuban players, its the lowest percentage of africanamerican players since the 50s, since 1958. Were now in a situation where also immigrant players are feeling in special jeopardy due to the times. Thats what im saying. Its not just if one group is attacked, that type of racism and bigotry, its an entire group. Absolutely. Bill rhoden, its always great to talk to you. We here at a. M. Joy would like to wish a very happy birthday to one of our favorites. Willie mays turns 86 today. Happy birthday to a living legend. Thanks for watching. Join us tomorrow at 10 00 a. M. Eastern for more a. M. Joy. 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