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A whole new addition. What exactly do we know about him . Not much other than hes a dutch citizen who takes frequent trips to belgium and loves trump. Initially he denied involved but then told nbc news that hyde asked him for information on yovanovitchs whereabouts but he declined saying i informed him its against the law. On friday after the house released messages from de calloway to hyde, he changed his tune admitting in a statement to nbc news he did send messages to hide about yovanovitch. He was not really surveilling her, and it was all, quote, ridiculous banter. And here is another twist. The little we know of him comes from his friend and spokesperson karen turk, a conservative media commentator from palm beach who was just sentenced for a month in prison for stealing her elderly mothers Social Security checks. Perfect. Meanwhile the impeachment trial of donald trump charged right along saturday night. The house impeachment managers submitted their trial brief to the senate laying out their formal case for removing trump from office. Of course, Donald Trumps team responded to the Senate Summons in typical trumpy fashion calling the impeachment charges unlawful and brazen. Joining me now, congresswoman terri sewell a member of the house intelligence committee. Congressman sewell has also endorsed joe biden for president. Congresswoman, thank you for being here. Thank you, joy. I want to start by playing some of your questioning of ambassador marie yovanovitch, and this was during the impeachment inquiry back in november. Take a listen. You spoke about how your service is not just your own personal service, it affects your family. Today weve seen you as this former ambassador, this 33year veteran of the foreign service, but i want to know about you personally and how this has affected you personally and your family. Its been a difficult time. I mean i im a private person. I dont want to put all that out there. Its been a very, very difficult time. Theres a question as to why the kind of campaign to get me out of ukraine happened, because all the president has to do is say he wants a different ambassador. Right. That was the question that i also had for Rachel Maddow in her questioning of lev parnas. Donald trump could have just fired the ambassador, but instead we have Text Messages like these between this robert hyde guy who was a congressional candidate out of connecticut and cant any caluwe saying nothing has changed, hes still not moving. Its confirmed we have a person inside. Shes being surveilled rather than fired. Can you, as a member of congress, understand any reason why that would happen . No, i cant. I want to say thank you so much for allowing me to be on your show today. Im in south carolina, about to attend church as we honor the celebration of Martin Luther king with Vice President biden. Im excited, i think Vice President biden will be the perfect person to protect the legacy of dr. King and my district where people fought, died and bled for the right to vote. Youre absolutely right to be concerned about whats going on in the senate. I think the most important thing we need to focus on is the fact that theres a lot more evidence that can come into play. We need to put the pressure where the pressure deserves to be on, and thats on Mitch Mcconnell and the senators. They can either show their loyalty to donald trump or they can show their loyalty to the constitution and the American People. 71 of the American People know they want a fair trial, and to get a fair trial you have to have witnesses and documents. I think everything weve learned about whats going on behind the scenes with ambassador yovanovitch just goes to show theres still more evidence that needs to be gathered, and we, the American People, deserve to vour senate do its job and have a fair trial. We do know that we now have the state department finally investigating after ukraine also said theyre going to investigate whether or not the ambassador was surveil. The tormenting of her is a strange thin. The other oddity here is the potential somehow involvement of amo members of congress in ts whole thing. That would be devin nunes. Here is lev parnas talking about your colleague on the House Intel Committee devin nunes, the Ranking Member, by the way. Does it strike you as unusual or inappropriate that devin nunes would be one of the lead investigators into this scandal on the house intelligence committee, the Top Republican on this committee . I was in shock when i was watching the hearings and i saw devin nunes sitting up there and there was a picture where derek harvey was in back sitting. I texted my attorney and said i cant believe this is happening. Because . Because they were involved in getting all this stuff on biden. Derek harvey is the aide to def vis nunes who has also been hes in this trunk of documents that lev parnas has turned over as having had communications with lev parnas in this attempt to find dirt on joe biden and his son. The reality is devin nunes is named by lev parnas as having been involved and his aide named. Are you concerned devin nunes is still the Ranking Member of the intel committee, how intel committee, and do you think he should be removed . Joy, im not going to comment on a sitting members of congress, especially a colleague that sits on both committees that i sit on. Im just going to say we all should be concerned about the mounting evidence thats out there. We impeached donald trump four weeks ago. In the laust four weeks so much has come out that deserves to be vetted and to come to the light. I think the American People deserve the trugt. I think we should stay focused on demanding that the Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell do his job and the senator do their job. That needs to be vetted along with a whole bunch of other evidence thats come up in the last four weeks. So we the American People must put the pressure on this president and the republican senators to do their jobs. Youre supporting, obviously, as you mentioned, and as we mentioned at the top of the show, joe biden, former Vice President joe biden for president. But are you concerned with this concerted effort to dig up dirt on him and his family that seems to have been been on going, and seems to go right up to the president of the United States, that joe biden would simply be subjected to the exact same election with foreign interference that Hillary Clinton was and there would be the same result . I think we all should be concerned about foreign interference in our elections. I think the reason why i voted for impeachment and the reason why i think so many of our colleagues felt like it was time to hold this president accountable is because he actually put pressure on a foreign ally by withholding muchneeded aid for his own personal and political gain. The fact that he would use the office of president for his own personal gain should concern all of us, and i think what we in the biden camp as well as all of us as americans should want is a fair election, and to ensure we have a fair election, we have to make sure we dont have foreign interference. I think thats why its important that all of us continue to our job as swiftly and quickly, get this trial on and make sure that its a fair trial. And lets get on with the business of doing what the American People want us to do which is to legislate and to do whats in our best interest. When i think about Election Security which is of quite concern to me, folks in my district fought and bled for the right to vote, we want to make sure every vote is counted. We want to make sure this election is fair for all candidates involved. I think the best way to do that is for congress to put our money where our mouth is. I think its important. What im asking really quickly, and i am out of time, is joe biden uniquely vulnerable here because hes the target of this campaign . Is he uniquely vulnerable as a candidate . Absolutely. I think the fact that this president saw Vice President biden as a big threat is why he did all of the things, in an effort to get dirt on Vice President biden. But i think we have to rise above this and show to the American People that he is the best candidate to beat the person who has put his own personal gain above the American People. I think thats the case we have to make to the american public, and i do believe that Vice President biden is the best person to do that. Thank you very much for coming on and making the case, congresswoman terri sewell. Thank you. Joining me, former Florida Republican congressman Carlos Curbelo. Lets talk about lev parnas for a moment. I want to show you this photo of Carlos Curbelo with someone you know well, with you lev parnas with you. How well did you know lev parnas and what was his role in politics in the state of florida that you know of . Good morning, joy. Lev parnas came to my office in the spring of 2018. He was interested in cannabis reform legislation because apparently he was pursuing a license in the state of nevada or wanting to engage in some kind of cannabis business. He came with igor fruman to my office on two occasions, to discuss that issue. Never did he discuss ukraine with me. I had no idea that any of this was going on. But i did get to know him a little bit. Mr. Parnas was very boastful about his kwloes relationshclos with the president , the president s associates, Rudy Giuliani and others. He told me on one occasion he would be having dinner with the president later that week. Of course, at the time i didnt know if that was true or not. There are a lot of people who make all sorts of claims in politics, but now, as more and more information becomes available, i do realize that, yes, mr. Parnas indeed was in this web of Trump Associates and apparently was very involved in this ukraine pressure campaign. Lets play adam schiff talking robert hyde did you know robert hyde by the way . No. So robert hyde was a congressional candidate, a wanna be in the trump orbit, too. Here he is accusing congressman adam schiff of planting this new character that weve learned about, anthony the other transcripts from the guy i was talking to that i think adam schiff put there to [ bleep ] with me. Why does everybody say the calowe, whoever he is. Honestly i have no ties to ukraine. I dont know even know if lev is ukrainian. Hes probably the only one i know or knew. I urge everyone to to ask adam schiff for the other side of those transcripts. In fairness, lets play adam schiff talking about this cast of characters in his own right. Here he is moments ago on abc. Here is adam schiff. It is the fact with many of the people surrounding the president they end up indicted. These are the people the president has chosen to work with, people like michael cohen, lev parnas, paul manafort. These are people that do have information about the president s misconduct. Right now, george, we dont know what witnesses will be allowed and even if well be allowed witnesses. We cant really make a determination on which witnesses will call in the absence of knowing whether the senate will allow any at all. A lot of these are interestingly enough, florida characters. Lev parnas is, roger stone, these characters who wind up indicted, wind up in trouble as adam schiff said. What do you make of that . Why do you think there is this nexus of this cast of characters swirling around donald trump and florida . The florida angle i hope is just a coincidence, being from the miami area, which, by the way, lev parnas lives in south florida as well. I certainly hope its nothing in the water down here. But from what i can tell, lev parnas is someone who probably accidentally ended up in this world and once he got into it he was consumed by it. He probably, and i could tell from our conversations, felt very important or privileged to be in contact with all of these high attention individuals and sure enough, he got in trouble. He got burned like a lot of other people weve seen that somehow get involved in trump world. So here is other thing ill say about him. I find him to be credible. I think everything hes saying is true. When he sat in my office and was boasting, i wasnt sure. But now that more and more evidence has surfaced, it does seem that mr. Parnas was in Constant Contact with a lot of people in trump world, that he had access to the president at least on a number of occasions and that he was thrilled by that until it ended up costing him. What do you make of the fact that the members of your party who are still in elected office seem completely unfased by the sheer number of the president of the United States associates indicted, convicted and jailed, the growing number of felons hes surrounded himself with, and this scandal that involved breaking the law which prohibited the president from not dispensing aid as congress authorized it to be dispensed. The growing sense of criminality around this president , it doesnt seem to bother your colleagues in congress. What do you make of that . Joy, our politics have become so polarize z and so tribalized, it is more than obvious that a lot of members of congress have forgotten that congress is an independent coequal branch of congress. No Congressional Committee should be an extension of any administration, republican or democrat. Again, people have become so fan nat sized that congress, the most important constitution in our government, the article 1 institution in the constitution appears to have lost its independence, its ability to process information objectively and render a fair verdict. Very quickly before we go, lev par nas called the trump world, really the Republican Party, its all the trump world, a cult. Would you agree with that characterization . Thats along the lines of what i just described. Our politics have become so tribalized that people are just about defending their side. Certainly thats been apparent in the last few weeks here with many congressional republicans. Carlos curbelo, thank you so much. 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Is there something now that can break this logjam. Washington post ipsos poll shows Bernie Sanders leading among younger black voters. Overall biden has a consistent lead. There is a logjam among people i talk to. Is there anyone that can break it . I dont think so. Here is the thing about this field. Nobody is generally exciting, right . Everybody is kind of like, all right. Youre the person who well take. Again, i think thats base so many people still have an obama hangover. They want somebody to give you that feeling on sunday morning you get from a baptist preacher. Thats not going to happen. I have to say i think this field will hedge lively on the second person on the ticket, the vp pick. It would be a bold move for any candidates to come out and say, im going to pick person x as my running mate. You remember ted cruz did this in 2016 with carly fiorina. In 1952 it was done with macarthur. And john mccain. We were saying this yesterday, that if joe biden wins the nomination, Bernie Sanders wins the nomination. If any of these four white people win, theyre going to need a dynamic woman of color on the ticket. I think the top of the ticket is going to end up being a white person. Here is whats interesting. One, i think this is key with bernie. Sanders people like to say this, he leads with black voters under the age of 35. 18 to 35. The lead is only about 10 . Every other group of voters from 35 and up, hes just being absolutely lapped by joe biden, usually a 15 or 20 lead. Nobody is doing as well as black voters as joe biden. I think really its an indictment on every other candida candidate. What is your problem . Bernie for five years, pete for a year, Elizabeth Warren for a year and a half, klobuchar for a long time. If you cant get the core constituency to listen to you, you dont deserve the job. If any of these candidates were polling with white voters, we wouldnt to your point about the second ticket. They all ought to be on the phone with stacy abrams today. I think georgia is in play. I think she would give a big boost to any of these candidates. Were in a post trump world. There are no rules. Do something to make a splash. We talked about this before, that we think val demings, kamala harris, stacy abrams. I dont know if this is among the people youre talking about, theres a malaise, a sense of nonexcitement, nobody with the obama x factor. Bernie is promoting plans most people think cant get do. Elizabeth warren is promoting things and they dont know if shes electable. Joe biden makes mistakes and says anachronistic things every other minute. Vice president s almost never matter. This is one year it matters a lot. Mccain would have gotten blown out of the water by obama. You have to remember with mccain he got a loer percentage of white women voters than any republican had in four cycles. So she didnt help him, she hurt him with a lot of people who thought she didnt seem as serious. Lets talk about this lets talk about sorry the Washington Post poll about donald trump. He is, of course the election should be about him, thats whats helping the democrats. 83 in the poll says donald trump is a racist. 13 say no. 4 for some reason have no opinion. Is that going to matter . Is the perception of donald trump going to matter . I dont think its a perception at this point. This is a reality. Im tired of the question. This is a question asked and answered many times as evidence by his misogynistic language, tweets, politics. Who are these 13 percent ter terseers. You get presented these questions, well, the democrats say the president broke the law. Tiffany, what do you think . Can we stop with these ridiculous conversations. I agree with you. The opinions of donald trump are so baked in at this point and theyre immovable. Do the opinions of him actually move the electorate in november . I think in a way they do. Once people see that what he is not going to change, i dont think you end up gaining voters that way. Almost everybody tends to lose voters the second time around. Theres nobody in this country who voted ford Hillary Clinton that saw four years of donald trump and said, you know what, babies in cages, Mass Shootings . Theyre not going to go to him. A lot of black people think a lot of white people are racist. The question is not whether or not black people think someone is racist, its does it have an impact on me . Its a question we deal with every day. I think the polls miss that nuance. The interviews around the Washington Post, there was a followup article, people were talking about the exhaustion of saying this is not just thinking hes racist, but knowing the people around them in their circle, their peers are taking on a different attitude toward them now that hes here. Emboldened. The quote from the black man in the article was so striking, when im in a room with white women, i think half of you all voted for trump. Its hurt the womens march. Feminism trumps racism sometimes. Thats going to be a challenge. We talked about this in last webbings power rankings. Because black voters are looking at what might peopwhite people 2016, they dont trust them. Thats why biden is doing well. At least they know him. Somebody people know. This is a good show. Cohost. Well put that in the june vors. A Top Republican strategist gives us his take on how to dump trump. P. We made usaa insurance for members like martin. 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So help heal your skin from within, and talk to your eczema specialist about dupixent. Earlier this afternoon, my white house released a memo to make sure federal funding is never used to violate the first amendment. The white house promoting prayer in schools, celebrating, quote, unquote, religious freedom, in the only way he knows how, bragging about the 2016 election. He displayed an overwhelmingly red electoral map in 2016 which explai exhis win over Hillary Clinton. It was by about 3 million votes, as a reminder. When democrats look at that display, they look at it and ask why is it looking like its going to be so hard to beat that g guy. Here is republican strategist rick wilson whose new and subtly titled book is entitled running against the devil, a blot to save america from donald trump and democrats from themselves. Only you, rick wilson, could get away with calling trump the devil. I may have done that a time or two. Cheeto jesus. Youve gone the full route. I have a collection. You do. How do democrats beat him . The most important thing, joy, is to remember that this election like all reelections is a referendum on donald trump. Democrats already have their base. Their base has been more motivated and fired up by donald trump than anything ive seen in my lifetime in politics. Ive been in the political business for 30 years, since i was a wee lad. Democrats have a motivated base. That means they have the luxury of making this race about trump. They have the luxury of going into the swing states in the Electoral College, love it or hate it, its still the way the ball game will be played in 2020. Maybe not forever, but 2020 will still be an Electoral College fight. The second big part of this program is democrats have to get into the swing states and work their tail there. Democrats have fallen short in florida a number of times. Unless you have a superstar like barack obama, they struggle in florida. So its important they get down and do the organizing in the swing states that matter and where trump squeezed out. In four states, over 100,000 votes. Youve got donald trump in the white house. This will be a game of narrow numbers and margins. Theyll have to do very, very aggressive campaigning in the swing states and get out of california and new york and pre tending that theyre going to they cant pretend theyre going to have to campaign in the blue states where they know the election is over. They also need to not try to swing places like texas, if you could put those resources into a place where you could swing like florida. So theres a lot of logistical and political tradeoffs that are going to happen here. The third big thing about this is in the end of the day, and it loops back to number one, policy isnt going to win this election. Nobody is going to make a decision in this election based on medicare for all versus obamacare or on the candidates k4r50i Climate Change plans. Its going to be a Reality Tv Show and its got to be something that the democratic nominee, whoever it is one of the things im doing in this book is im arguing very strongly. Im not trying to pick the democratic nominee, not trying to select a nominee. I think there are some candidates who would probably blow the whole thing up. But im not trying to choose who the democratic nominee is. Im trying to show them where the tricks and traps and systems that republicans have built up over 30plus years of winning a lot of statewide and National Elections and Congressional Elections have put into place. I was one of the people that helped build that system. So this book is a warning to democrats how not to fall into some of those traps. Thats why i call it wwrd. You want to know how to beat a republican is a republican. You guys are good at this. The reality is, as you point out and i think you and i agree on this, that donald trump could win could lose the popular vote by 5 million votes which was the reelect margin of barack obama in 2012. Draum won by 10 million votes in 2008 and won by five million votes in 2012. Trump could lose by 5 million votes and still win because of the Electoral College states. Lets zero in on those states. Were talking a small number of swing states. Add arizona. Michigan, pennsylvania, florida im not sure is still a swing state, ohio im not sure is still a swing state. Im not confident that it really is, and wisconsin. How do democrats get past the Voter Suppression in those states, particularly states like wisconsin, and make the election a referendum on trump and not whoever the democratic nominee is in those states . Part of it, joy, in those states theyve got to have accountability. Theyve got to have people on the ground in those states. In 2016, i kept asking, are hillahil hillarys people organizing puerto rican voters . They kept saying they got this. They didnt do the work. Accountability is a huge thing. We run these campaigns in an organizationally accountable way. We go in and make sure people are doing their actual jobs. That often does not happen. It doesnt always connect with the democrats. They need to go out and do the hustle hard in wisconsin and michigan suburbs particularly. There have been a lot of breck cage off the Republican Party with educated and female voters. Youre correct ohio is trending red. If you loses in ohio, you could roll up in arizona, potentially roll up in North Carolina if you play your cards right. There are a lot of places where democrats can get in the game here and can do some calculuses that mitigate losing one of the big swing states, but you cant really afford to lose more than one. Its a very narrow pathway. Very narrow pathway. People forget sometimes, barack obama won North Carolina and indiana in 2008. Correct. These states are winnable if you have the right kind of candidate. Lightning round for you. In your mind is this election you write about the fact that donald trump has broken lots of Campaign Promises. Thats a case that you can make. It says here out of 280 Campaign Promises trump has broken 43 . F it sounds like a persuasion argument. Is this a persuasion race or base turnout race . The base turnout equation is already settled. Democrats showed us in 2018 they will crawl over broken glass to vote against trump. That race was an entire referendum on trump in the off year which is remarkable. You rarely get that. 94 and 2010 are the only two examples that are close to us in time. That argument that you can persuade some voters is important. Bringing some of those republican women and suburb women and independent men in the suburbs who, remember, game of small numbers. You dont have to crush donald trump by 5 million or 10 million votes, but 271 Electoral College votes. Again, he won by 100,000 votes in four states. If you get in there and cherrypick those folks and do the right date da targeting, analytics, campaign advocacy, sometimes the message will be persuasion. Part of it will be to tell those voters, were cleaning this up. Were going to get rid of this agent of pure chaos. Were not trying to flip it over and be a left wing version of trump. Trying to get america back on its bearings so we can have fights on marginal tax rates and the small things politics whats comprised of in this country for a very long time. Rick wilson, i recommend people read the book. I would love to have you come back on and talk about the strategy. There are republicans like you who also believe a second term of donald trump would not be good for america. No. Take the help, people. Thank you very much, rick. More am joy next. Congrats on the book. 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Believe it or not, this is what arizona senator Martha Mcsally feels she needs to do to win a tight race. Call cnn reporter manu raju a liberal hack, after running away from his questions as if she was in danger and of doubling down on fox news and fundraising off of it. I get it. Its a tossup, hail mary pass kind of gamble for a politician who by any metric is in trouble in the upcoming election. She is trailing her democratic challenger, mark kelly, by four points. Kelly is outfundraising her by millions of dollars. In a new poll that underscores how vulnerable she and a handful of republicans are, not only are they under water on their own but trumps approval in battleground states is dragging them down further. Take a look at the numbers on the bottom. Trumps rating in iowa is 15 points under water. In colorado its 17 points in the red. Where Senator Cory Gardner is opting to try to seem reasonable by saying he plans to be impartial as he looks at all the evidence. Probably his best bet in a blueleaning swing state. Not Martha Mcsally, her strategy to win in a state she was appointed to, because she lost to the senior senator from that state in 2018. Shes trying to do a full fox news regardless of how she looks in the process. Joining me is eric boller, nicole hemmer, author of messengers of the right. Gabriel sherman, ougauthor of loudest voice in the room and Tiffany Cross and jason from theroot. Com. Theres a thing you have to do to be a trump republican. You have to be all the way in the church. That is what mcsally is trying to do. Its a weird thing to do from arizona which is increasingly a purple state. Its a weird thing to do in january. She has to stick with the charade for the next ten months. There will be a shortterm game, fox news wanted to talk to her because they think shes a star. She has to keep up the charade for the whole year. Is she going to yell at every reporter who asking her a question, insult every member of the press corps who asks her a simple question, like what do you think of impeachment . Shes locked in. The demographics in arizona is changing. This would make sense next october or next september, but it seems like a very weird move now. Look, this is what some increasingly women republican, who have almost no path of survival in the Republican Party anymore, members of senate, members of congress, increasingly theyre deciding this is their only chance. And just real quickly, you know, theyre going to the cupboard. The cupboard is bare and all they see is a container that says liberal media bias and theyre going to crack it open and see what happens. It does wreak of desperation at this point. Im going to jump around. Im going to my political scientist at the table. Running against the media, making media the hate object, has said that is what the Republican Party organized itself around. It works. In general, in broadbrush republican politics. Im looking at arizona and i just see colorado. Its a state increasingly purple. So, you not only have to win, to win statewide there. The trumpy people, you also have to win independents, and even some people who are on the record as democrats, but who would vote for a republican. She already tried to run as a rightwing republican and she lost. Yes. Shes in an appointed seat. And shes probably about to lose to an astronaut. Heres what people dont recognize with what happened with manu raju. The context matters. She was asked a question, do you want witnesses in the impeachment hearing . It was an easy question. It wasnt the hackie question. It wasnt the red meat question that independents and anybody else is like, come on, why are they asking her that question . Shes a woman and these things are gendered. How women are perceived when they respond in hostility to the press, even by republicans, is perceived differently than when a woman does it. When Lindsey Graham, oh, my gosh, that was so brave and bold let alone what kavanaugh did. I dont think it was a smart move. Shes desperate, going to flail around, hope shes thrown an anchor or life preserver by trump, and anyone whos running in 2020 knows trump aint coming for you. Cory gardner, again, the states are becoming more and more similar. Arizona used to be a farright winger and its changing because of the demographics whos moving there, whusz os retiring there cetera. Cory gardner is also in trouble, also under water, having an issue, hes chosen the opposite which is to seem reasonable and do what a senator is supposed to do. Im going to listen to the evidence and be objective. He also then faces a risk from fox news, because he is now off script, hes not singing from the hymnal. What are the risks to him in conservative media for just seeming reasonable . Well, exactly that. I think it helps explain why the party has become so far right. Even on the state level where you would expect more moderation. Its this idea that if you do try to sort of weave that more moderate path, youre going to get punched so hard from your right. Part is going on the offensive by making these kinds of liberal hack statements. But its also going on the defensive, keeping yourself from being attacked from the right. Whether its from fox news or from conservative websites or conservative talk radio. So, theres a defensive gesture there, too. Well see how much of that gardner picks up when he tries this more moderate path through the campaign. Yeah. Tiffany and how long it lasts, right . Trying to sort of be a regular order republican in this era is difficult. Mitt romney is rich. Theres nothing trump can really do to mitt romney, right . Hes not even up this year. But for somebody like gardner, he has to decide whether how he wants to if hes going to lose, how he wants to lose. And hes running in a state that trump will likely lose. You keep seeing colorado your hometown, as a matter of fact. Its trending more blue. Theres just this concerted effort, to quickly touch on manu raju, when he asked that question to mcsally, i have to say, manu raju, ive never heard him express an opinion. He had a recent confrontation with omar he asks this wasnt even a tough question. And i think he and murkowski a few years ago also had an exchange when he was trying to ask questions. I think, you know, there is this attempt like i said before with the media trying to present both of these arguments as if theyre coherent, legitimate arguments. I think that does a disservice to democracy. I think when we see the rules coming out of this impeachment trial, the fallout from that manu raju questions, and now reporters cant have their phones in there, they cant have access to senators leaving the trial. Im not a spokesperson for Washington Post, but its true. Voters wont be able to see how their senators are responding. They wont be able to ask the tough questions. I think this is, in part, why donald trump has assembled this parade of tv stars and personalities like ken starr and all these talking heads. Ken starr who he hated 20 years ago, by the way. Now this is your crew because that could distract the media. We have elected a clown. Were seeing the circus show. Donald trump trump remains the ringmaster. He knows he can manipulate these talking points. Republicans wouldnt have any accountability from the press if these rules are to remain in place. This the strategies are all coordinated. Thats not me giving an opinion. Thats what Mitch Mcconnell said. Hes coordinating the impeachment trial with the defendant. And so the question is, does donald trump want a full circus where he has his tv lawyers, alan dershowitz, ken starr, everyone performing for him, or mcconnell would he rather have it in darkness where he can protect his vulnerable members from having to be accountable to the public for the way they behave . What what ive heard from sources close to the president , for now hes deferred to mcconnell and will count as a short trial and basically let mcconnell drive the bus. That said, if trump perceives, and we know trump is the thinnest skin person on earth, if he perceives things arent going his way, hell throws bombs into the process, he might get jim jordan or some most fire brand Trump Supporters involved in his defense. So, really this comes down to whether jump thinks this process is working for him. And he constantly plays the victim. My bet is that, you know, by the time this is over, it will devolve into a circus. The last point i want to make, i think what is so troubling about dynamic is we aasymmetrical accountability in american politics. What i mean by that is the Republican Party, their voters get their news from fox news. And so they their politicians are not held to the same standards as democrats are interviewed aggressively by all the media, you know, msnbc, cnn, New York Times, npr. The media asks democrats questions they would never ask of the Republican Party. When Martha Mcsally makes a comment like that to manu raju, they cheer lead they run right to fox news and run right to their email list and fund raise off of it. Gabe, can you back up the reporting that weve heard this week that the white house is preparing, though, for their to be witnesses, theyre preparing for the likelihood that some witnesses will happen and theres a potential that republicans might try to turn that into a circus, too, by trying to drag adam schiff or joe biden in front of the cameras as well . Thats clearly what im hearing. The talking point thats coming out of the white house is if theres going to be witnesses, we want our witnesses. So, theyre going to call hunter biden or joe biden or adam schiff or the whistleblower. And, you know, thats going to put democrats into a bind. Clearly, you know, if they want witnesses, i dont know how theyre going to make the political argument, well, were not going to have these witnesses. They can argue its not relevant to the trial, but i think that is thats the Pressure Point republicans are going to hit on. And, eric, you know, or maybe they shouldnt resist it. The reality is, you know, i think i said this yesterday, republicans think they want adam schiff to be a witness, until hes sitting in front of them being a witness. Hes really good at this. Theres reporting that mark meadows went on Steve Bannons radio show a couple weeks ago to pitch matt gates to be. Do you want that versus adam schiff . As gabe said, nobody ever really knows how something is going to play out when trump is pulling the strings and things like that. My concern in terms of the media coverage, we saw this with the house, please dont do this both sides. Lets not have lets not have the dominant narrative be, gee, they cant agree. Lets not have hang wringing about lack of civility, our institutions are failing us. Two of our major parties in this country that have effectively, unequivocally divorced himself from reality. That is the news story. The news story is they cant agree. Democrats are running an incredibly sophisticated factual, straightforward impeachment prosecution and the Republican Party is literally saying, we dont care. Theyre down to the point where theyre saying, we dont even care if hes guilty. We dont like the democrats motivation. Thats the story. Lets not do this both sides nonsense. And, nicole, thats what the rightwing media has benefitted from. Its a different world theyre living in. They know their politicians, republican politicians, are not held to the same standard. Absolutely. One of the big stories the past 10 or 15 years in politics has been the right to hack values of mainstream journalism. They really benefitted from that. I think theres now a real pressure and importance for journalists to not only not do that kind of both sides reporting but to also do more than just debunking the lies and the conspiracy theories coming out here and exposing the systems through which those con spir connecticut spircys are built. Theres this sort of overcompensation among journalists and republicans are not making this argument in good faith. I have to come to the table here. Youre here from theroot. Com. Tiffany, youve been following capitol hill and have been in the media and both of you make this argument all the time. Journalists of color dont really have that problem. Right, right. If youre black, as a scholar or working at the root, when youre black its assumed youre liberal. Its always assumed youre supporting the democratic side. Its assumed youre aligned with certain ideas and beliefs one way or another. And it seems to give an excuse for people on the right to be hostile to you. A black person can ask you about the budget the same way as any other color person can. Thats part of the issue. The other thing is were in a complicated position right now where the press not only has to hold politicians and institutions accountable but they have to hold each other accountable. Thats a real challenge when you have to look at your colleagues at other networks and say, youre spinning a right wing talking point. The guest you have is not being honest one way or another. Thats an ecosystem weve never had to face. Were facing a culture shift. Three or four years ago if either of us said hes a racist and perpetuating racist policies, the media gatekeepers would have collected their pearls. Now its welcome, welcome to truth land. They passed a resolution saying hes a racist which is a change youve seen a changed in the lexicon. Youve seen a change in it the verbiage journalists use now. Look, i think the fact that black people have been enslaved people in this country longer than weve been free, listen to us next time White Supremacy surfaces. We should be your experts. And i think it makes another case for why you need diversity in media. A diverse not just diversity in media, diversity in decisionmakers. When you whitewash the black american experience, you are destroying democracy at the same time. Fist bump. The other issue, too, there is a way media is trained to do this which is there is there isnt a respect for the institution of the presidency. If i cannot tell you how many times weve all watched donald trump yell at members of the media, tell them to shut up, tell them to sit down, telling them they cant ask questions. I i think of Sam Donaldson continuing to yell at Ronald Reagan and what happened to the sense among media that this person is just an employee of 327 million people. Hes not our boss. Were his boss. What happened to that sense of that attitude toward power . I think it goes back to the point of working the refs. Theres an intimidation at work. You do not yell at a republican president. Sam donaldson, god bless him, did. The last 20 years, thats not a thing. That is just not a thing. So, you know, trump is the most radical player in american political history in terms of power he has achieved and the press has not adjusted. Every time trump says something, we have to give him a trump says headline. We have to pretend its true for eight hours and then well debunk it. No, journalists are smart and sophisticated. The news rooms are filled with very smart people. They are being paid to pretend they dont understand whats going on. Its kind of this kabuki dance and we shouldnt be doing it. I just got this in my ear from my ep. Keep talking to me if im saying it wrong. The hugh hewitt apparently just said on his radio show and the press just reported this said on meet the press. Hugh how wit ewitt is on meet press and he said hes going to vote for Bernie Sanders in the virginia primary. This seems to be some part of operation chaos move. Youre saying, yes, thats what youre seeing happening. This is the reason poom dont think open primaries are a good idea. Rank Choice Voting and Everything Else like that that prevents these sort of shenanigans. When republicans are voting for you, its usually i wonder if there is a is a sense that the conservative media is also trying to make those kinds of choices about the way that theyre covering these democratic nominees based on who they think trump could trump would be more helpful to trump in the election . Other, sure, theyre trying to figure out how to sow chaos in the democratic ranks. I dont think theyre the biggest threat to voting and making sure the peoples vote is reflected but it is something that, you know, Rush Limbaugh has done this through several election cycle ises. Hes been an utter failure at it, by the way. It never works. It never works. Gabe, before i let you go, because i want to get reporting from you. Does the white house have a sense of who they would prefer to run against . Clearly theyre dancing at the idea of Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. That would be the dream ticket, of course, if they joined why are they working so hard to make it joe biden . Or to take out joe biden . You know, theyre really worried that trump world is worried joe biden will peel off, has the best chance of peeling off voters in pennsylvania, wisconsin, ohio. The industrial midwest that trump carried in 2016. Thats historically been biden territory. Are they scared of bloomberg . Theyre scared of his money and the idea that he can basically has an unlimited checkbook to fund attack ads against trump. I dont think anyone says bloomberg feels as an actual threat. Bloomberg, any traction . No. Steyer is doing better than he is in most polls. The only thing i will give bloomberg, he got a huge endorsement out of south carolina. Thats a big endorsement. I asked the mayor, why did you do that . What was the kick . He said he believes bloomberg has a path to victory and a lot of the programs around mbk, my brothers keeper, that bloomberg continues to fund and be a part of. 100 billion. That will scare trump. Thats a lot of trap doors. Thank you very much. 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Not to be done by racist online trolz, the president of the United States stoked up tensions further by a twitter attacking the ban on weapons in the capitol, which is temporary and designed to prevent a repeat of the deadly violence in charlottesville, where activist Heath Heather haier lost her loif. Joining me is Darrell Jenkins and mark thompson, host of the podcast make it plain. Thank you for being here. Darrell, let me start with you. Trying to explain this lobby day, which is an annual event for this gun rights group. And the lobby day, according to fox. Com is an annual event for the progun rights group to lobby members of the state government. This year virginia is on the cusp of passing gun control laws because democrats won so many victories there. Talk a little about about them, a little about this group the base the fbi has been paying attention to, and what do you how do you assess the threat level on monday . I assess the threat level as being a lot more than just rhetoric on the part of a lot of individuals. We have seen that the characters they picked up from the base, or reputed to be in the base, were coming there with weapons, with explosives. They mean to do some harm. We have them communicating those threats of violence online. And verbally to people that who, unfortunately, is who are encouraging them from the mainstream. I dont want to mention any names right now. But the fact of the matter is, we are seeing the same people who were in charlottesville, the same exact people who were in charlottesville basically coming out to be a part of this. However, there are other white supremacists, other hate mongers in char lets vil discouraging them from coming out because theyre afraid this is a setup, if youre in the capitol area, youre going to be in the kill zone. Its going to be a mess. Its going to be a total mess. We dont know what to expect. Im going to be there on monday. But were basically going to pull back and just see how things unfold. This is, according to the New York Times about this group, the base, the fbi has grown increasingly worried about the base as it works to recruit new people. They encourage the onset of anarchy. Experts say its founder, an american, appears to be living in russia. This is according to vox for you, mark. There are three new bills on the table being proposed in virginia which is run by democrats won a lot of victories there, basically running the state now, that would require background checks, limit the handgun purchases per month and would ban guns in government buildings. We know virginia is a supermarket for guns that wind up in new york and around the country. What do you make of the fact this group has chosen to fro test those new bills on king day . Well, first of all, and thanks as well for having me, joy. Good morning to you. Morning. They have chosen virginia, obviously, because the nra is a resident of virginia. Their headquarters is right there. This is ground zero for the nra. What obviously doing this on Martin Luther kings birthday is repulsive. As a matter of fact, some of the first gun legislation, which was proposed by lbj, was right after dr. King was assassinated. In the debate went further when Bobby Kennedy was assassinated just two months later. This is an ongoing struggle around this Second Amendment argument. They obviously want to exploit it and use dr. Kings day, all in keeping with what charlottesville was all about. If youre going to have a neonazi gun rally on Martin Luther king jr. Day, whats the difference between that and charlottesville . Now you have trump tweeting about it. Is he going to say, both sides, many sides again if something happens . But what none of them seem to realize, as you said, joy, the legislature has the votes to do this because democrats won the legislature in 2018. In 2017 democrats won the Governors Mansion, which is rare, consecutively in virginia. Why did democrats win the Governors Mansion . Why did they win the state legislature . Because of charlottesville. Its ridiculous for them to say republicans will win virginia in 2020. If something terrible goes down tomorrow, even if it doesnt, just their very presence there will probably guarantee democrats once again will win whatever seats there are to win in virginia . 2020. I want to point out the virginia citizens defense league, hes not saying they are neonazis. Lets play heather who lost her daughter in the charlottesville hell that took place and her moms name is susan and she was on the today show. Here she is. I think what people often dont realize is that an ordinary white kid can easily get sucked into that. So, as parents are trying to value their childrens privacy, value their childrens space, they might want to check in a little more often, be a little more aware of whats going on. So often the kid you least expect is the one whos deeply embroiled in white supremacist movement. Its very seductive. Darrell, this is your area of expertise. What do you make of her advice . Heres the important thing to remember when we as we deal with richmond. I do not believe that the gun issue is the main issue. I doubt that sincerely. You have a legislator that is in a safe house right now because of legislation he wants to get passed that has nothing to do with the issue of guns. Theyre angry at him. Theyre filing Death Threats against him and all that. I think when it comes to those young people out there who get caught up in this kind of nonsense, its going to cost them. We see how much it cost them after charlottesville. The same thing is going to happen if theyre a part of this. I encourage many people who are still trying to be involved in this kind of nonsense to give it up. To knock it off. This is not the kind of society that is going to go forward that way. And if you insist on being a part of it, youre going to be xd out. And the white ethno state thing, isnt going to happen. No. What do you make of the fact, mark, that Jerry Falwell jr. Says that he will call for civil disobedience if virginia democrats implement these gun laws. Your thoughts . Thats ridiculous. I doubt very seriously there will be many virginians who participate in that. He ought to get out of that, too. This is just another opportunity donald trump is taking, an opportunist that he is, to try to exploit what really is a sacred holiday. How do you engage in something promoting guns on the day in which the very dreamer was assassinated with a gun . But this is his m. O. And hes trying to appeal to his base in the hopes that will help him in 2020 and probably also distract from this impeachment but its not going to work. Thank you very much. In advance, wish, you guys a wonderful and hopefully peaceful mlk day. Thank you. Same to you. Same. Thank you. More a. M. 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If president obama was calling hong kong or calling governments, asking about you and your business career, would that be a legitimate use of president ial power . Thats a totally improper characterization. When it comes to donald trump, nancy pelosi may pray for him privately but shes orchestrated the church of holy hell. Donald trumps republican lackeys were out in force on the other sunday shows this morning. Once again trying to defend his conduct as his impeachment gets under way this week. Its hard to tell with the facts of the case. Thats apparently just fine, by alan dershowitz, who says if all the allegations are true, it does not rise to civil defense. Joining me Tiffany Cross of the beat d. C. And david korn of mother jones, the author of russian rou letlette. Lets play dershowitz, so here he is. This is his argument for trump. I have limited role in the case. Im only in the case as of counsel. On the constitution aal criteri for impeachment. Not involved for witnesses and you need proof of an actual crime. Doesnt have to be statutory crime but criminal in nature. Even if everything that is alleged by the house managers is proven or taken as true, they would not rise to the level of an impeachable offense. Have you ever had a case in which you were representing someone, kind of, and also is it in your as an attorney, do you agree with the idea that the only thing that you can impeach for is an actual crime not crimes and misdemeanors or crimes and other misdemeanors . No, not at all. If you look at the constitution, its very, very clear with respect to what you can impeach someone on. But with respect to how i run my practice, i dont understand why it is that alan dershowitz, who has appeared many times and said hes represented a variety of different people, such as jeffrey epstein, i dont understand why he would be wanting to sort of have this bifurcated or weird approach with representing the president. Usually whether a client comes to you and they want you to represent them, you lay out how it is that you intend to represent them. Let me just say also, joy, with respect to documents and witnesses not being able to appear before this senate trial, i find it incredibly bizarre because when my clients come to me and they have something they want to prove, they come with a list of 20 to 30 witnesses. They come with boxes of documents. Actually, have to convince them to scale it back. Why . Because they want the truth told. But you dont see that happening here. So, you know, this is now almost a threering circus. Its unfortunate. But like ive said before on your show many times, elect the clown, expect the circus. When you just played all of those clips of elected officials, of republicans who are supposed to be representing their constituents, who take an oath to the constitution, it is clear that they have not taken an oath to the constitution or they dont take it seriously, rather, they have taken an oath to donald trump. And its unfortunate. Its bad for our democracy. Well, that is true, they have taken that latter oath. A little more alan dershowitz, lets play a little more of him on witnesses. The one thing thats very clear is if witnesses are permitted on one side, they have to be permitted on both sides. If witnesses are permitted, it will delay the trial considerably because the president will invoke executive privilege as to people like john bolton, that will have to go to the court and will have to have a resolution of that before the trial continues. I know hes a lawyer on tv. Technically youre not a lawyer, but hes john bolton has already said he would testify. He said he would do it. Hes saying he would have to go back to court and the only way it could be permitted is if the other side could call joe biden, whos not relevant to the case. Well, ill start off by sayingings if you read federalist paper 65 by alexander hamilton, he describes impeachable offenses as abuse of public trust. He also says these offenses tend to be political in nature. He put political in all caps. So, you know, dershowitzs argument that abuse of power is not impeachable or unconstitutional is something that hes sort of pulling out of thin air. You know, what we have a situation here where its really you know, we argue about witnesses. We argue about evidence. But what were really doing as you saw from those clips earlier is arguing about reality. You have members of the senate, who wont even acknowledge that trump said publicly to china, investigate joe biden, that he said, yes, i wanted ukraine to investigate. They wont put out that the gao put out a finding he broke the law. That parnas said it was a shakedown and there was a smoking gun came out this week that they wont acknowledge. Giulianis letter to zelensky, the president of ukraine, saying im representing trump in a private capacity for his personal interest. So, it wasnt about anything public dealing with corruption. He was after something for trump privately, but trump used his office to get it. I mean, its a very clearcut case. Thats why dershowitz is not arguing the facts. Hes arguing the abstract notion. Very abstract. Heres senator dick durbin and his warning to his colleagues on the republican side. This point, the senate is on trial. I hope at the end of the day enough republican senators will understand history will find you. Make certain that you make a decision that you can live with in terms of our constitution and your own professional career. You know, tiffany, youve been a long time covering capitol hill and interacting with these political figures. They have seemed to make a decision they all go in together, they all go down together with trump. And i still remember Lindsey Graham saying, if we nominate donald trump, he will destroy the Republican Party. Aold Lindsey Graham. They seem to have decided thats okay. Bravo to the producers of a. M. Joy for stringing together those sound bites at the beginning. That is so indicative of where we are now. They are literally on earth 2. They are regurgitating ridiculous things. You feel like youre watching an snl sketch. Thats why its so important to press these senators in media. Has anyone promised you or threatened you with anything for your blind allegiance of this president . Bravo to a. M. Joy for highlighting the santos connection here. He has lev parnas connection. We have him colluding with these two guys who like like they would be extras on season two of the wire. Who else, how many tentacles does this have . This is showing the deep rot throughout the trump administration, trump era. And the democrats thought they made a miscalculation. They thought they had a really neat and easy impeachment case here. You know, just the ukraine deal. Its much bigger. Its much bigger. I wish we had more time but we have a special thing coming up. Well end the segment here. Believe me, you will all thank me for this. Coming up at the top of the hour, alex will have her moment of maxine as congresswoman Maxine Waters joins her live. Up next on a. M. Joy, stay with us, the winner of who won the week. Dot, dot, dot. I think the house is changing him. [ gasps ] up and at em . Into his father. [ eerie music plays ] is it scary . [ gasps ] its in eco mode. So dont touch it. Mmhmm. I cant stop this from swinging. Must be a draft in here. But he did save a bunch of money bundling our home and auto with progressive. 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Oh, oh, oh, ozempic® announcer you may pay as little as 25 per prescription. Ask your Health Care Provider today about onceweekly ozempic®. I think you might overly intellectualize it and say its just hair. People have been reminding me of the aria song, i am not your hair, you are not your hair. And thats true. But i still want it. So, im trying to find my way here and i do believe going public will help. That video is breaking down the stigma surrounding hair loss and inspiring countless women across this country, so much so that for this weeks edition of who won the week there is no need for a competition because we have a hands down winner. Massachusetts congresswoman Ayanna Pressley. I just want to tell you, first of all, thank you for being here. Thank you for winning the week. Thank you for the honor. Well, i have to tell you, i watched that video, first of all, it was hard for me not to ugly cry watching it. It was so inspiring. You talked about dealing with a alopecia. Here you are in your beautiful self. Tell me how you decided to go public with what was a very personal struggle. Heres the thing, joy, i was suffering in silence and felt really shackled by the silence and the accompanying shame and isolati isolation. And i felt firmly that in order for me to lead authentically, that i would need to be transparent. Also, i knew i would owe people an explanation, not only because a protective hairstyle and braid had become a conflated part of my personal identity and brand, but because as a woman and a woman in politics, and certainly as a black woman, everything is political. This is not shocking. Ive introduced legislation to guard against the fact that black girls are pushed out of the classroom for how they wear their hair. I have colleagues who have been pressured by supporters and donors alike not to allow their hair to go gray. Colleagues who have been told that they should straighten their hair and not wear it curly. And so hair is political. So far as who won the week, its millions of those in this country that are living daily with the trauma and the stigma of hair loss, navigating the world bald, which challenges conventional normals and societ standards of what is beautiful or handsome. This is a transcendent issue. I want to give a shoutout to bald nation, my fellow alopecians. Ive been hearing from men and women and children alike from throughout the country. So they win the week. Im grateful i have a platform to shine a light on the issue. I have a dear friend and Family Member who both have dealt with alopecia. When you came forward with it, it was so moving for me personally. As you know, i am a beneficiary of the crown act that has freed even people in my profession to be able to wear braids. I hear from so many particularly young black women, even young black men who say wearing our hair in its natural state is so important to them, it means something to them. And you, as you said in the video, are somebody who was carrying that to capitol hill. And so for you to now embrace who you are now, as you said, as a proud alopecian, a woman who has conquered that, its this thing that we have as black women, its a heroic. You win the week for me every day, joy. We love how you are we love your crown, and we thank you for taking up that space. Again, none of us is here to simply occupy space. Were here to create it. Im very humbled we were able to do that this week. You are incredibly brave. I also want to talk about the other piece what have you are doing politically, pause you have come forward as a supporter of senator Elizabeth Warren and her run for president. And youre going to be out on the stump for her. Talk a little bit about that. Absolutely. Ive been out on the stuff for her. This is really just a continuation of what is a nearly decadelong close friendship and partnership and good. Elizabeth is my friend, she is my senator, she is my partner. Weve worked on so many issues together including Consumer Protection for those who have been victimized by forprofit colleges and universities participating in predatory and deceptive Business Practices and marketing, supporting surviving Family Members who have lost loved ones due to the epidemic and Public Health crisis that is the gun crisis. Its a testament to the Warren Campaign that they leaned up and made that decision to have three freshmen women as cochairs. Policy is my love language, and she has introduced policy and plans that are about two things. Power, and then intersectionality. None of us live in big check boxes. We love in nuance and complexity and intersectionality. You see this in her Racial Justice policies, in her lgbtqia platform and disability platform. Again, these arent set asides. Im on my way iowa imminent will he and im pleased to announce ill be making my way to south carolina. Im emboldened by the deep, diverse, multicultural and multigenerational coalition that i see her building. Her ground game is strong. And that is how we take this white house back. Its by outorganizing the other side. And its by staying focused. And you speak to this idea of intersectionality so beautifully and so brilliantly. Let me ask you a question thats come up, its a thing now were talking about, is it important in and of itself for america to have a president who is a woman, and why . Why does that even matter . We all bring our own unique, lived experiences as lawmakers to the job every day. Gender is a big part of that. We know that when we have a diversity of perspective opinion, thought, and experience around the table of policy, in the corridors of power, and indeed at the highest office, the oval office, that youll see that reflected in policies. I know there are some that would argue that identity politics is ruining our country. Thats not true. Hate and White Supremacy are ruining our country, not identity politics. There is power in the identity of a survivor. There is power in the identity of being a woman. There is power in the identity of being a black woman. There is power in the identity of being a person living with a disability. People talk about elizabeth being an extraordinary educator and professor but shes a better student. Thats what we want, somebody who will lean in and respond with policy. Ive been in proximity to her for a decade, ive seen her do it in church basements, in school gymnasiums. I want a president that will bring their identity but actively lean into the identities of all those and make sure theyre responsive to policies so everyone can heal and thrive. Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley, first of all you look like a gorgeous wakanda warrior, you are beautiful and making it fabulous, you look great. Congratulations. Thank you. And also, thank you for always encouraging black girls to vote because i know black girls vote, thats a passion we both share, that organization. Thank you for all you do. Thank you, joy. See you soon. Thank you. Have great day. Soon thank you ve great day why are we doing this . Why are we doing what . Using my old spice moisturize with shea butter body wash. All i wanted was to use your body wash and all i wanted was to have a body wash. Wean air force veteran made of doing whats right,. Not whats easy. So when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. Thats how you do it right. Usaa insurance is made just the way martins family needs it with hasslefree claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. Because doing right by our members, thats whats right. Usaa. What youre made of, were made for. Usaa looking to simplify your skin care routine without sacrificing results . Try olay total effects. 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Of 2018, are probably the best allin freshman class since 1992, the most inspirational class. She is at the top of that class. Shes brilliant, shes a Voting Rights activist. Shes just an advocate for people, an intersectional advocate. Its not political, im not even from her state, but as a human being. Does she represent your alma mater . I know she is in the cambridge area. You know what, thats a good