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Because it is definitely the last thing we want right now is for anyone to be watching this and think oh, no it is going in the wrong direction we hope 24 hours later since last night it thinks at least trending in a peaceful direction than what we were seeing. Will israel retaliate for saturdays strikes. Seeing wider conflict is ahead and that america could get dragged into it. Also tonight, pretrial tantrums, trump on the attack against key figures in his hush money trial. And on the lead back to your rights. Lets begin. We are continuing to follow this weekends major escalation across the middle east. Iran Launching Hundreds of drones, missiles, towards israel on saturday that it says probably a conflict in syria this afternoon. Some top u. S. Officials are worried that israel may in fact respond hastily and could drag the u. S. Into a conflict. We will dive in deeper in just a moment. In the past 24 hours we have seen a swift change in narrative. Much of the world focused on condemning israel for its Military Conduct in gaza to many western countries, again, reaffirming their support for israel including u. S. President joe biden. Andrea mitchell reported earlier today that President Biden told Benjamin Netanyahu that while the u. S. Commitment to defend israel is iron clad it will not participate in any offensive operations against iran and urged him not to retaliate. U. N. Secretary general antonio queut queut had similar messages to todays National Security, the u. N. Seccouncil, watch. You have a shared responsibility to work for peace. Israel for its part claimed it launched 350 drones, cruise and ballistic rockets that is up to 99 of them. Lats break all of this down and what it means for this hour, starting out with our head of special projects at nbc news. It is good to see you. Lets start with this, 24 hours, the image, the images if you can say that coming out of israel where that terrifying threat to the region nobody knowing what happened they got the reports of the intercepts. Tonight, a different attitude. The question is what will israel do. We have been speaking to u. S. Officials. What is the early indications as to where the political and security establishment is head it is a great question. The question of the hour and there is a spectrum. So, you have a number of people tweeting this morning, restraint. We can be strategic. Taking our time. You have a member of the war cabinet saying that something has to be done but lets look towards a collision in the region. Also, words of restraint but then there are wild cards. I think there was a lot of fear among the National Security council in the u. S. You know, will Benjamin Netanyahu and the work cabinet do something rash . There was fear about that. All officials that we were talking to today, nobody wants a regional war. An all out war to iran right now. But, what i think a lot of them are thinking is something has to be done for detourance. They can not just sit back and not respond at all. So, the question remains what exactly is going to happen . You bring up a good point. Even the iranians last night as this operation was unfolding before the full impact of it was, you know, aware to the world had signaled from the u. N. Office here that this was going to be the end of the matter as far as they were concerned that it concluded the response. If israel were to respond they would then feel the need to respond in a more harsh sense. Do you get a sense of what possibilities israel has at its disposal now . Based on what you have seen in the past and what they could do . They have a list of people that they want to go after. So, one of the things that they could do is to just continue going down that list of people that they believe were involved in planning the october 7th attack. And, we dont have that list but i have been told it is a long list. So, that is, that is one way. I mean we saw on april 1st what happened in domascus and several members including senior members were killed. But, we really dont know. It seems like the israelis are not sharing that with The Americans as much as The Americans would want. There is this disconnect and a understanding of where things are at. I think that breeds a frustration between the u. S. Officials and israeli officials. Yes. Walk us through that. I think that is an important point. Some u. S. Officials are concerned certainly that if israel does retaliate as much as the defense may have been and that May Drag America into a confrontation to iran and expose it to troops across the region and the proxies. Based on your reporting what is it that americans are concern about with israels response . Reporter i think there is a lack of trust at this point on the part of american officials. They feel like all of this work to get a hostage deal, they committed so many resources, made so many trips to the region. It just keeps falling apart. That is the fault of both sides, hamas, israel. But, there is a growing frustration. So, i think that they, from my colleagues, they are great reporting in that story that you showed today. They, the u. S. Officials there is a wild card that we are not sure that Benjamin Netanyahu does not wide a wider war. Even though it would be catastrophe for israel. And, you know, when you look at the israeli political spectrum you have a lot of same people who are working with the government who disagree with Benjamin Netanyahu on a lot of things. They dont want to escalate. Then you have wild card people who may be rising in the ranks or who are, you know, in bens camp and they are so far right. A challenge. You can not really paint the whole political spectrum with one color. Right. And that, i think, breeding some of the misunderstanding on the part of The Americans. Let me ask you, you brought it up. How this impacts what is happening in gaza both on the Hostages Side and i understand you have been speaking to the Family Members of the hostages and what are they telling you about last nights attacks and where that conflict between israel and iran is going and how it changes the dynamics to secure the release of their loved ones so much of it is messaging. What i noticed overnight, they put out a statement that hamas had just rejected the latest deal. But that deal has sort of been in the works. I think with the Benjamin Netanyahu administration and what they are doing is putting the focus and the blame on hamas. The hostage families, they are the ones that are freed, released and the Family Members whose loved ones are in gaza right now they were sort of cowering and worried that the missiles would hit. In the statements that i got and the conversations that i had they are thinking of their loved ones who are in gaza now, 190 days and they keep saying, hamas just release the hostages. Just release them. And looking at the Global Community do everything to get those hostages out. That is 100 their goal and they want that message to be part of the conversation right now. Yes. Of course The Americans saying the best way to do that is with a ceasefire and no commitment from the israelis there would be an immediate ceasefire until the hostages are released. Thank you very much for your reporting. Up next, president of j street. Good to have you on the show. As with you mentioned biden officials, white house officials and others are worried this evening that an israeli response might trigger a wider war. Based on what they have seen in the past when israel carried out this attack against the iranian consulate. The americans did not have a heads up about it until they were up in the skies over syria. How concerned are you that Something Like that could repeat itself or is it different because an attack directly on iran would require americans and preapproval . Well t would be stilly not to be worried. We should all be grateful for the leadership and the clear messages coming from President Biden from the white house right now. The most important thing that needs to happen here is deescalation and ensuring that this does not spiral out of control. That would be not good for the United States and its interests. Not good for the security of israel and it could not be good for any parties in the region. We are all, i think, deeply concerned by this government of israel and some of the decisions that it has made over the course of the past six months. And, strong messaging from President Biden saying dont do this. It is exceedingly important. Is the message loud enough . Is it clear enough . When you do not condition, consequences of israeli behavior. The simple words have been ignored so far. Why would this be any different in because if you follow up on just some of the comments we have been hearing from several of the far right ministers Ruling Coalition that are calling for israel to respond. The National Security minister calling for a crushing attack today against iran. It puts The Americans in a difficult position, right . It puts them in a situation where they can not just say words there has to be consequences. We have not seen that yet. This is not just consequences. This is whether or not the United States is going to be there to back israel up. The questions related to gaza and then the use of our equipment and arms in gaza and on the west bank and what the consequences should be for misusing them, a different order than if israel were to ignore the treaties and the clear lines from this administration and go ahead and do something would the United States be there in the way it was last night. It was not just the Israeli Defenses that held up last night there was a collision that allowed jordan, the u. K. , france, the u. S. , we are all engaged. Israel can not afford to risk losing that International Pro dispeaces that umbrella. Support. Russia criticizing a double standards as they condemn the attacks yesterday but then did nothing when they asked to meet after israels strike in syria earlier this month. Is it a fair criticism as to how the United Nations has been operate something the International Community is operating. You would need a tougher International Reactions to israeli behavior, when it violates other countries sovereingnty for it to be meaningful. It is all a bit rich when it is russia standing up. Right, right, [ laughter ] yes. But again it highlights the kind of hypocrisy on all of the countries, radioit . Russia, occupying and violating International Law. Saying International Law and order to be upheld in the case of iran. Reporter yes, to all of the situations there is no military solution. That is one of the things that i think it sometimes gets lost. At the end of the day if israelis and palestinians are ever going to find a way out of their conflict there is only a political resolution. I ran will be held in check. Putting it together with israel and the United States and it stands up against it. The Iran Nuclear Agreement is the right approach to get the nuclear program. That was the correct way. For the establishment taking over control in 2017 and then tank the agreement. What happened to the program. So, the only way out of all of these crisis is through a diplomatic path and not through a military solution. Let me ask you about something that you know have well. The dynamic that unfolds on capitol hill that results in this with various aspects of pro israel lobbies and organizations that come to its defense. We have seen unanimous iran attack among both republicans and democrats in the past 24 hours. How does it complicate your efforts and what jay street tries to do. One hand come to israels defense but at the same time chart a different course for how israel is behaving under this administration. The Republican Party never fails to miss an opportunity to turn the issues into a political wedge. They are trying to drive divisions within the democratic party. They prefer that these issues be political footballs rather than serious policy issues. There is a bill that is in front of the House Of Representatives that would provide aid. Not only to israel but to ukraine and provide humanitarian assistance. The bill is passed the senate. Just simply waiting for republicans to bring it to the floor and support it. If the Republican Party wants to do something positive this week to help israel and palestinians it has to bring that bill to the floor and not introduce new legislation that they designed not to actually become american policy but simply to create a political issue. That is a tall order if you are expecting them to do that. Not just this issue but many issues, ukraine and domestic policy. A pleasure, thank you very much for your time. Greatly appreciate it. Thank you. Next up, the other big story that will dominate this week. Jury selection begins in a historic trial of Donald Trumps Hush Money Criminal Trial of Donald Trumps Hush Money Criminal Trial introducing allisons Plaque Psoriasis. She thinks her flaky gray patches are all people see. 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But we know that this is how trump operates when he is desperate and when the heat is turned up on him. He deflects and points the finger at everyone else around him. On friday the judge rejected his fourth attempt at a delay just this week. In his ruling he said the defendant appeared to take the position that his situation in this case are unique and that the pretrial publicity will not subside. However, this view does not align with reality. Joining me now to discuss this civil rights attorney and a former prosecutor, david good to have you back on the show. Before we get into the specifics of the trial lets note it is the first ever criminal trial of a former u. S. President , put that in proper context for us. First thing, good to see you, too. I can not overstate how significant it is. Lawyers dont Like Surprises and lawyers dont like innovative things. We do best when we are dealing with a situation that we have seen before. Reasonably anticipate likely to happen because the president has never been on trial before and never with a personality like President Trumps. No one knows for sure exactly how things will play out in terms of Jury Selection or what to expect from him once the trial starts, but, he has gotten away with more than i would of told you any defendant could reasonably expect to without being put behind bars waiting for his trial date. Trump said that he would testify that remains to be seen. I would love to get your Legal Expertise as if that is a smart decision. If he does, the reason i ask that question is because he would be subject to cross examination boy the prosecution. How disastrous would that be for trump . What would that look like for the prosecution . Generally speaking, i think i am in the minority. I think it good to put your defendant on the stand that is what people are used to from watching tv. Any good lawyer will tell you it is different in real life than the way it is so, it v the truth is, people who have been watching law and order they just expect it so i lean towards doing it. However, it can only work when you have a client that you can control and you can not control former President Trump. I think that part of what happened is he developed so much making all of these statements was that he failed a a result with that. I and i think it would be a disaster to put this witness on the stand. Trump will have to be present every day in the hush money trial because it is a criminal case. Will this trial become an opportunity to campaign . Lack of visibility inside of the courtroom give him added advantage to manipulate it. I dont think anything inside the courtroom will help him, we will see all of the same antics occur that we saw before. To your point, him inside of the courtroom every day is a huge disadvantage. When you see him being absent from the courtroom that is not because he does not want to be there any smart trial lawyer would say you have a habit of making faces, you make noises, you can not help yourself attacking the judge. It is better if you are only there when you literally have to be there. Given what you showed in your opening click. Making statements about the judge. If you start whining and making faces and pouting in front of the judge what tends to happen in a trial things stop going your way with important evidence ruling that can effect the outcome of the case. I was going to ask you about that. How important is the conduct inside of the courtroom for trump, right . He knows in previous cases there was a thatricks. Behavior will matter to the outcome of this trial. It will. It mainly matters for the jury. The people that serve on the jury they are every day hardworking folks. Hard for them to relate to someone disrespectful in an environment like a courtroom. Most are not wealthy enough and powerful enough to get away with that behavior. They know that. They see someone behave that way inside of a courtroom they tend to des light that person. I tell my witnesses the most persuasive thing you can be in a courtroom is polite, respectful, especially to the judge and the staff of that work inside of the courtroom. That already proven to be a challenge for former President Trump. Let me ask you finally, david, up until this point trump has been able to successfully delay his cases. Tried to do it with this one. Failed. It is safe to say this is only, this is the only trial going to, i guess, trial before, the only case going to trial before the election. What does this tell us about a twotiered Justice System. That is for the very tend is the one going first. That is right. Not only is this one the one going first this is the one where he could of picked. Chosen for it to go first and we assigned so much of it, he is a former president and yes it plays a huge impact for regard of what we are talking about. The end of the day you are seeing what the Justice System looks like when someone can afford a lawyer and go the distance and tell them what they want to do. If you can afford a lawyer. Let alone a good lawyer. You can actually put up a stronger defense than you would think. I see it throughout the course of my career. Nobody beats the feds, i can name three people off of the top of my head that encountered it. I know it is a federal trial. What you can do when you can afford a good lawyer. Maybe the next week or two. I had one more question. I thought that was the last one but one more. How do you do Jury Selection . How do you even pick a jury when you are dealing with somebody as famous or infamous as donald trump . This is where it is going to come down to the skill. We are talking about people being unbias and impartial. What you want to do, really, with this Jury Selection is pick people who have the strength of character to convict the former president. The reason he is on truth social making all of the statements he is because it makes people feel high amount of pressure. And most people at the common sense to know how it will play out in their lives are going to want to run serving on the juriy and the people that might serve on the jury when they realize what might be at stake for them. They might be inclined to say you know what . I think it is wrong. And i dont think it is worth it for the next year or two. That is what you are thinking about when you are picking this jury. All right, thank you, always a pleasure. Thank you very much for breaking it down for us, appreciate it. Next up, update on this afternoons Emergency Meeting at the u. N. Security council, stick with us at the u. N. Security council, stick with us w so . 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The best way to prevent such escalation is an cond emanation from the council of irans unprecedented large scale attack and unequivocal call on it and proxies and partners to refrain from further violence. Joining me now, the executive Vice President from the Quincy Institute for responsible stage craft and author of the book, losing an enemy. It is good to have you back on the show. Lets start with those remarks from the u. S. At the meeting. Your reaction to the u. S. Not joining other members to call on all parties to cease hostilities and singling out iran. Well, it fixes the pattern we have seen in the last couple of months by the Biden Administration that is even when it wants you to have restraint and it will never call on it publicly to do so. I think it is a big mistake. If you call on israel to show restraint it makes it harder for Benjamin Netanyahu to defy biden as he has. And showing him the risks bringing the United States into a regional war that would be disastrous. It is essential that israelis at this Point Show Restraint rather than just getting either one of them i wanted to talk about this comment that you made on x this morning, you posted. If you give biden credit for having help prevent the region from falling off of the cliff last night you must give him him credit for helping to bring the region to the edge of the cliff in the first place by refusing to restrain israel and blocking a ceasefire. Elaborate on that for us and what you meant precisely. First of all that Retaliation Attack was well choreographed, coordinated, iranians gave a 72 hours heads up to the United States and others. And playing a constructive role to make sure it was all detained and you had a win, no damage was done, move on. But on the other hand, even though this was constructive. You have to keep in mind we should not be in the situation in the first place. If the Biden Administration approved the u. N. Security Council Resolutions in favor of a ceasefire early on and pushed for it from the very beginning we would not be in the situation today. If the Biden Administration, 12 or 14 days ago after the attack of the israelis on the consulate had done what it called on to date. By the Security Council of israels violation of International Law by targeting the iranian consulate and all of the other councilmembers condemned the Israeli Attack but for the United States, israeli and the u. K. It could of given them an out. Would not have retaliated in the manner they did. What do you make of President Biden telling the u. S. Will not support a counterattack against iran while at the same time committed to staying committed to israel or the commitment to israel is ironclad. Do those messages Work Together . To detour israel from doing something against iran . Reporter i think biden very much likes them to be compatible but reality is that they are nied. Biden said he would not support offensive campaign against iran. In reality, once the war begins these terms offensive and defensive start losing their meaning. If the United States does not support the israelis in a defensive campaign, fine. They will retalliat. The United States gets dragged into the war. It would be defensive in supporting this role. If you dont want it to happen you should call for restraint, make clear to israel that there will be consequences unlike previous times if they drag them into the war. That would be the most effective way to make sure they would need to have offensive or defensive support. Does iran lose support from arabs on the street to see it come to the defense of palestinians that has not done so with meaningful action in the past 24 hours that all of this bluster of getting involved and defending itself at the end was as you just said, highly choreographed Telegraph Event that was more about saving face domestically than doing anything meaningful for the region. Reporter i think amongst the arabs iran lost support. As a result the net gain could be positive. You are putting your finger on something important. At the end of the day it was costly for the iranians to do an attack that was so on the impact of it. They are clearly not ready for and does not want. Mindful of the expectation that iran has created in terms of the standing with palestinians, it will disappoint some elements in the region. Always a pleasure, thank you very much, good to see you, greatly appreciate your insights. Thank you for having me. 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Liberal organizations and labor unions are demanding that President Biden stop providing military aid until the government lifts restrictions on humanitarian aid. In a level, moving on to give working faps families. [broken audio ] it drove turnout signed on to that letter. The groups president , ramirez warns biden can lose key support from that voting block if he does not significantly change his assistants on the israelhamas war. She joins me now. Great to have you on the show. You know, first of all, how does the white house responded to your letter . Reporter i mean we have all been in communication all of the organizations over time with the white house about our fear, right . We are concerned about the humanitarian and moral implications of this war and the United States unique role in funding this war for military aid to the Israeli Government. We are organizations that supported the Biden Administration. And three of us and my organization endorsed the Biden Administration. We want to see them win but they are among young people that i represent, there is a significant number of young people that are, for the First Time Ever in our organization history, focusing on Foreign Policy. This issue in specific. To determine how they could vote this up coming election why do you think this issue or this subject or war is resinating with young people in a way it had not previously, and has really touched them in a way that has made their Political Support vulnerable. I think if we look at overall, right . A significant number of young people are paying attention on and getting their information through social media. The images are coming out, the information coming out, the ability to access information that is not through traditional news sources educated young people who have been educated by their peers on this issue. You can see it, generational groups in this country on where they stand on this issue with upwards of 70 of young people saying they want a ceasefire. I want to be clear it is not an overwhelming number of people that we are seeing that is a they will not vote for bid own this issue. However, key states like michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin you dont need an overwhelming number of young people to decide to Vote Third Party or not to vote for this issue and have great, great, great implications that could elect donald trump. That is why we are trying to push the administration in the right direction. And because the Palestinian People deserve the most basic humanitarian aid and the United States government needs to be playing a more strategic role in ensuring that. You said the reaction among young people is something you have not seen. Why is this time around is different . Do you think it reflects a generational disconnect from the white house and the base or the block of young voters that you are talking about . Why do you think this administration is not in tune with this key political block that you are talking about . Obvious to folks who are tracking it to people in the media like us following it but it does not seem to be enough to course correct on. I want to be clear on two things. One, this kungry has seen a huge increase of people increasing in Foreign Policy in the pacific. Last election when they were surveyed by young policy and ukraine. 4 said it was an important issue in the up coming election. The recent poll showed 82 of young people saying it was an important issue in this up coming election for them. On par with abortion. So, a very, very big important issue. Now, young people were critical to electing donald trump, critical to stopping the red wave in 2022. They are critical to stopping donald trump again in 2024. We need to make sure that they are while the Administration Led to gun safety, young people are continuing to try to push the admin strigs this issue just as they have on those other issues. And i think they are going to continue to see young people pushing until it is dealt with. They are, this issue it will continue to push them to push the administration. You talked about the ability or the importance of it to the president ial election. Certainly to this administration. Do you get the same sense when it comes to members of congress . It seems that not only are democrats certainly from the administrative perception but the growing calling for Conditioning Aid to israel on its Human Rights Compliance seem to be growing, is it gaining traction in a meaningful way in a way to change congresss position on this. They are seeing democrats move as well. Nancy pelosi after the seven aid workers at World Food Workers were killed by the Israeli Government also signing on to a letter calling on the Biden Administration to leverage the military aid we provide for israel to call for greater, to call for a restricting of the military aid until there was actual alignment with basic human rights in the United States. Lets be clear. U. S. Law is un. If a country blocked humanitarian aid you should not receive u. S. Military aid. So, we are simply calling for the United States government to comply with their own laws. All right, christina. Thank you very much for your time this evening, greatly appreciate it. Thank you very much. Next up, how the Republican Party has turned Judge Shopping into an art and what if anything can stop it . And what anything can stop it . Stem. Know your Glucose Levels no fingersticks needed. All with the worlds smallest and thinnest sensor. Manage your diabetes with more confidence and lower your a1c. 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