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And if she was looking the other way, i would stand there and say, terri, its mommy. She would turn right around and look at me, okay . Right at me, and nobody believed me. Well, thats their problem. Gentle Choral Music she was there. She could hear me. She knew i loved her. She wanted to be there. Gentle Choral Music hi sweetheart. Hi. It doesnt matter what was wrong if she just laid there for the rest of her life. All i wanted to do was love her and take care of her. Hi babe. But then everything changed. Terri. [interviewer] you got a letter in the mail. Do you remember what the letter said . Just that they wanna kill my daughter. dramatic music [news reporter] the battle over Terri Schiavo has come to involve state judges, federal judges, the Supreme Court, the congress, and even the president of the United States. [voiceover] you have to understand what the fear of death is. What are you so afraid of . Why do we feel so negative and so helpless . We are afraid of the unknown. [pastor] god determines when life begins and when it ends, not anybody else. Shes not a vegetable and she needs to be loved. Why do you wanna kill her . [protestors] Let Terri Live. Let terri live. Let terri live. Terri schiavo, a woman that most americans have never heard of. Let terri live. Let terri live. Now at the center of another cultural debate in america. [protester] this is the rise of christian fascism. Let her die in peace Escalator Whirring Footsteps Tapping gentle music [anita] i covered the Terri Schiavo case for the tampa bay times, and it really, really resonated with everybody. It seems to me like this case is starting another debate. When does life end . We now define life with squiggles of Electrical Phenomena and pieces of paper, and this case shows us our own feelings about our mortality. We are afraid to let her go because we are afraid of our own mortality. You know, who is to decide what is a good life and whats not . And i think that everybody has their own view on that. I would never pull the plug on anybody, because theres always the chance that they might be alive again. Even if somebody, even if a doctor tells you that they wont be. I think there is eventually a better life for people, but they need to move on to that better life, so i believe very much in pulling the plug. And so when i was writing, i struggled a little with whether it was a righttodie case or a right to life case. Totally different, but it was both of those things. Birds Chirping gentle music Traffic Rumbling i first heard about Terri Schiavo back in 2000 when i got an anonymous tip that i should go to a certain courtroom to see a trial that was about to start. It was in probate court, which is generally people you know, dealing with wills and, you know, people, what happens after they die, so i didnt know at all what it could be, and so i just kind of wanted to sit down and just listen for a little while. lawyer and judge Speaking Faintly and i had never seen anything like it. lawyer Speaking Faintly terris very difficult to take care of. She needs a lot of care. It was this family that was divided. [lawyer] and provide oral evidence. [anita] bitterly divided over this woman, terri. To say indistinct after her accident, she couldnt talk. And so they were trying to basically piece together what she wouldve wanted. lawyer Speaking Faintly you know, it was this whole trial about someone who wasnt in the courtroom. [lawyer] have you noticed any improvement in theresa schiavos mental condition . No. Ever . No. [anita] and everybody wanted to know what terri was like. I believe she understands. I believe that she knows that im there. The schindlers were positive that she was conscious, that she was thinking and feeling. She started tracking me with her eyes. But Michael Schiavo was confident that she was gone. [production staff] you ready to roll, fred . Ready . I am. Okay. Speeding here. You know when it gets into this story, sometimes you lose the perspective of time. This has been going on for a very long time. 10 years. Is there any way to express what these 10 years have been like for you . Somebody that i loved, gentle music somebody that i adored was taken away, ripped out of my life, and to see her in this condition, its awful. Static Buzzes after it happened, i remember going to visit her, and how emotionally upset i would get when i would see her like that. I guess when you see the movies, you see someone in a coma and then the next day they wake up and everything and theyre fine. You know, i didnt understand anything about brain injury, so theres probably part of me that thought that, okay, one day im just gonna walk in and terris gonna be, hey bobby, how you doing . gentle music People Chattering Faintly and when that wasnt happening, yeah, i mean that was tough. Because i knew terri before that as, i mean, just funloving, wonderful sister. Gentle Music Continues growing up, we were very close. We were just 13 months apart. Some referred to that as being irish twins, so terri and i were kind of joined at the hip. He followed her everywhere. He just followed her around all over the place. laughs we had three children. Terri was the oldest, my shy one. She had a couple friends, but not a lot. And she gained weight all the way through high school. I remember terri kind of struggling with her weight. She stayed in more. She liked to draw. She had a passion for animals. She would talk about wanting to work at a zoo, eventually becoming a veterinarian. After she graduated high school, she started to lose weight, and she just became more extroverted. Really a different person. And then she was getting attention from men, and thats ultimately how she met michael. Gentle Choral Music she was 19 when they were engaged, and 20 when they got married. When michael asked to marry her, she was just overjoyed. I, theresa, take you michael, to be my husband. I promise to be true to you in good times and bad, in sickness and in health. gentle music it was in our lady of good council, our parish. Michael wasnt catholic. He had to get a special dispensation to marry terri in the catholic church, and i remember, just a lot of dancing, you know, just a typical wedding. people cheering and clapping celebrate good times, come on were gonna have a good time tonight lets celebrate id like to thank my mom and dad and michaels mom and dad. We had a really good time. I hope Everybody Else had a good time. And what else . Say something. 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To me, they were like ken and barbie. They decided to tie the knot and move here to sunny florida. They were just happy newlyweds that were looking forward to sighs a wonderful life. gentle music when terri and michael moved down to florida, that really precipitated all of us moving, cause they went first and now we gotta go because shes down there. laughs back then, we were all so close, and michael was part of the family. Terri was very happy. She kind of came into herself through florida. I did terris hair the day before she collapsed. And when it happened, i was just, i was devastated. Everybody was just heartbroken. She was ready to start her life. Water Splashing Traffic Rumbling so that was their apartment right there. I lived just, maybe, i dont even think its a quarter mile from here. So when i got the call, i was here within minutes. I just grabbed my keys and just threw a pair of shorts on and was here pretty fast. It was such a traumatic event that is something you just dont forget. Tell me about that night, that Early Morning in 1990. Yeah, i was asleep and i heard a thud, so i ran out to the hall, jumped outta bed, ran out to the hall, and found terri laying on the floor. I picked her up in my arms and i was holding her and i was shaking her. I was like, terri, talk to me. Youre scaring me. Terri, talk to me. And she wouldnt respond. Her neck and her arms and everything were just limp. So i laid her back down on the floor. I ran over and i called 911. When i got to the hospital, the mood was very grim because nobody seemed to know what happened, other than she went into cardiac arrest, and she had been without oxygen for a very long time. Its called anoxia, and i remember them telling us that she was gonna have a significant brain injury. She couldnt talk and she couldnt walk. But what happened to her . Somebody just doesnt fall down and collapse without a reason. They were trying to understand why her heart would just arbitrarily stop like that, so i think they were looking at her imbalances in her system. Because her Potassium Level was so low, they thought that could have been an indication that there was some type of eating issue. I never suspected it. I was out with terri a lot, but at the time it sounded plausible. I didnt think she had an Eating Disorder, but i think maybe she did. You know, over the years she lost a significant amount of weight. When youre with a client, youre not six feet away. Youre right up in peoples face, i mean right next to her, and youre touchin em, and its very intimate. She didnt look healthy to me. She seemed a little bit dark around the eyes. I believed there was a problem there, but she definitely kept her secret from me, and i think she kept her secret from mike, too. [doctor] its chocolate, terri. Is she much of a Chocolate Lover . [michael] she was more into fruity flavors. [doctor] what do you think about this, theresa . Device Buzzes can you hear that . Device Buzzes they said that she was in a Persistent Vegetative State. Pvs. mouse clicking the definition of pvs is no interaction, response, unable to communicate in any way. Terri Moaning all right, relax. Itll go away. Itll go away. During that time, i just remember all the focus was on trying to get terri help and getting her rehab and try to improve her condition. terri moans itll go away. Relax. terri moans itll go away. It was stressful. You know, michael was going through a lot, but he was doing just what he needed to do to try and help terri get better. gentle music she is young, beautiful, and trapped in a coma. Her only hope, experimental treatment. No doctor can tell me that theres no hope, cause i know shes in there. Shes just having problems coming out. We heard about the doctor in california that did these brain inserts. [news reporter] doctors in california Plant Electrodes at the base of the brain of coma victims to stimulate damaged brain cells. He brought her home, but they had a thing that you had to turn. This is the button you push. Just take it up at 1. 9. [mary] and it was very complicated, but he learned all that. [michael] now, terri, youre supposed to sit up. [mary] and walk out of here. He was very dedicated. Michael was very dedicated to her. Theresa, theresa, theresa. Michael and i, we got along very well, and we needed each other. Both of us were taking care of her. Michael, he would spend half day with her. Tell you what, see the big duck sticking out . Its nice out here, huh . Stretch up. Hopefully those pathways to the brain will be reestablished. [bobby] it was gonna be expensive to care for terri to cover what she was gonna need to help her. Rehab, therapy, doctors. Theresa, theresa . Cant see any scanning. And once the insurance runs out, youre only provided a certain amount of days of rehab. Once thats exhausted, you either do it yourself, find a way to pay for it, or they gotta be put in a nursing home and basically get warehoused. So michael filed a Malpractice Lawsuit against terris previous doctors, their Family Doctor and her gynecologist, because it was felt that they could have prevented her collapse. Terri had been seeing her doctor with regards to trying to get pregnant, and the doctor should have caught her Eating Disorder because they should have seen her chemical imbalances and therefore may have been able to address that before anything happened. They awarded 700,000 that was put into a trust fund for terri that was supposed to be used for her care therapy rehabilitation. But the relationship with michael abruptly changed after the settlement came in. Michael felt differently about terris care and decided that he wasnt gonna spend any more money on terris rehabilitation. [michael] sit up. There you go. Sit up in the chair. Sit up in the chair. He said that he came to the realization that terri was no longer gonna improve. He said that he was terris caregiver. Hell be making decisions and he basically informed my parents at that time that they were no longer gonna be part of the her care moving forward. Bye, bye cough. Later Chest Congestion. Hello 12 hours of relief. 12 hours not coughing . Hashtag still not coughing . mucinex dm gives you 12 hours of relief from Chest Congestion and any type of cough, day or night. Mucinex dm. Its comeback season. Liberty mutual customized my Car Insurance and i saved hundreds. With the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. Oh. [dog barks] no its just a bunny only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. With 30 grams of protein. Those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. Ahh, here, ill take that. 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Then it was starting to sink in. Terri will never be terri ever again. Gentle Choral Music what . Terri Croaking what, baby . What . You know, we didnt know what michael was doing or not doing for terri. We just knew that we werent gonna be part of his life anymore. And then everything changed in 1997, when my parents received the letter. dramatic music Waves Splashing we knew that michael didnt believe terri could get any better, but we were totally blindsided by that letter. It was from michaels attorney. The gist of it was michael wanted to remove terris feeding tube. This portion of the tube is actually in the patients body going into the stomach, and then this end is attached to the feed like this. Terri, she wasnt able to swallow food, so that feeding tube was keeping her alive, and then michael was trying to actively end terris life to kill her. Thats when we knew it was gonna go to court. That was it. We never spoke to him again, and i still havent spoke to him to this day. Birds Squawking in our society, theres such an underlying fear of death, fear of extinguishment. Its so deeply rooted in our culture, it triggers such strong reactions among so many. And i think this case helped bring those fears to light. The bible says, dust thou art and unto dust shall thou return. The basic fact of life is that it ends. Right to die is a moniker for the legal right to refuse medical treatment that you no longer want. There was nothing else we could do. We did what we had to do. [george] it started in the 70s, and the initial cases were ventilator cases. Theres a machine that is providing respiration, and the courts agreed. Yeah, thats medical treatment and can be withdrawn. Its literally pull the plug. The electricity stops. No more breathing. And then you had the Feeding Tube Cases in the 80s. [group member] take up satans teeth and pray, lord. In the name of jesus. Oh, jesus. The blood of jesus. Ride his mighty power. People were more uncomfortable with the Feeding Tube Cases. Theres no machine, theres no plug, just a tube hanging on a pole. I handled floridas seminal righttodie case. Until that case, it was virtually impossible to remove a feeding tube in the state of florida. So i got to be known as the righttodie expert, if you like. Thats why michael came to me and he explained the family dispute. So, sure, i knew it would be a tough case, but i had no idea whatsoever it would turn into the case that it did. Okay, listen up. This is a tough question. Could you decide if a loved one lives or dies . A bay area family is having to do just that. Its now up to a pinellas Circuit Judge to decide the womans fate. Water Splashing Terri Schiavo had no advanced directives, so she had no living will, she had no healthcare surrogate. There was nothing in writing to tell anybody what she wanted done if Something Like this occurred. gentle music she was 26 when she went into cardiac arrest. people Speaking Faintly and the basic question was, what would she want . Michael had the Legal Authority to remove the feeding tube under florida law, but only if theres clear and convincing evidence of the patients intent. people Speaking Faintly michael, he had to somehow formulate some type of evidence and present to the court that terri had said that if she was ever in a condition like this, that she would want to die. In october of 85, we flew down here. So this was from michaels testimony. In reading it, she said, if i ever have to be a burden to anybody, i dont want to live like that. Well, laughs michael was making this up. He lied. Its that simple. [news reporter] a judge will soon decide if a clearwater woman should live or die. Her husband is fighting to get her feeding tube removed, but the womans parents believe that one day she could still wake up. When you make a ruling, you need to get a sense about whether or not a person is believable. gentle music michael had a conflict. If terri does die, her husband would stand to inherit 700,000 from a medical malpractice settlement. [george] so i was reluctant to base a decision solely on what michael had to say. Terri had made mention that, you know, she would never wanna be kept alive like that. [george] but at the trial, michaels brother testified and he backed up what michael said. Why prolong that persons agony . I think most people dont want to be kept alive until the second coming. If theres no hope of recovery, let me go. The story was credible, and i was persuaded beyond any real doubt that was her wish. When judge greer ruled in michaels favor, we were just, i think we were all just kind of in shock at first. We were all just kind of like, what just happened . [reporter] do you believe terri did make these comments about not wanting to live that way, to to go on that way . I dont think she ever said those comments. I knew my sister a lot longer than her husband, and i just dont believe she ever made those type of statements. No way. [reporter] what is your hope and your wish right now, bobby . Right now, im just. cries softly gentle music Wind Chimes Dinging [news reporter] last week, Terri Schiavo was moved from a nursing home in largo to a hospice in pinellas park. [news reporter] the feeding tube will be disconnected from Terri Schiavo at the end of the month. At hospice, our purpose is to help families and friends of someone who was dying to have a peaceful, comfortable, exquisite, but painful experience to be with their loved one when they pass over. You know, hospice is a movement that really started in the late 70s and early 80s. Its a very different kind of dying than being in an Intensive Care Unit hooked up on tubes and respirators and monitors and machines. We have become experts at keeping people alive because our approach to life is so completely materialistic. [annie] our relationship to death in this country has been skewed. People dont think about dying. They think theres always gonna be some technology to keep them alive. But in hospice, in addition to medical support, spirituality is an intentional part of the care model, counseling and listenings part of the care model. What does dying mean to you . Michael was a young man at that time, and i cant imagine the burden this was for him. And i said, well, youre a good person to be doing what youre doing. You know, if it was me, id want the same thing. In hospice, the goal is to help their passage be as peaceful as possible, and to help the family accept whats happening. [news reporter] in florida, a feeding tube was removed from Terri Schiavo, a woman whos been in a coma for more than 11 years. Doctors expect her to die within two weeks. Water Babbling we went to visit terri. The feeding tube had been removed and i think it was that day we left, my dad got a call from a bay news 9 reporter. So we stopped. Were now talking with bob schindler, father of Terri Schiavo. First of all, bob, you were at terris bedside fades out and i remember i was standing there watching the interview, and the reporter asked my dad how he felt about everything thats going on with terri. [reporter] tell us how youre feeling right now. As a family, our concern now is terri, and were focusing on terri, and she has a tough couple weeks ahead of her. [reporter] how was your visit today with her . Any different . Same, really the same thing, but naturally we felt a lot different. [reporter] what will it be like for you and your family . The next drowned out by bobby and, my dad, hes a strong guy, but you know, hes a father and wants nothing but to protect his daughter from harm. And hes being told you cant. You cant do a damn thing. And not only cant you do anything, youre gonna sit back and watch her die. So its a horrible thing. It really is. And you never expect your child to die before you do, let alone the way that theyre gonna kill her. So that part of it is, its tough, and then i say it again and ill say it again, please pray for her. And say one for Michael Schiavo, too. Im sure he deserves our prayers. gentle music Waves Crashing [interviewer] can you understand how her parents see their child and want nothing else but a miracle . Can you understand that feeling . I certainly can. I am not a parent, and im sure its horrible for a parent to lose a child, but mr. And mr. Schindler, theyve had 10 years to grieve. They talk miracles. If god wanted to create a miracle, he wouldve done it a long time ago. gentle music Birds Chirping Wind Chimes Dinging they had taken the feeding tube out, and it seemed like the end of this really long, drawnout saga. [news reporter] that ends a long legal battle between schiavos husband, michael, and her parents. And she was gonna die, but we had no idea what was about to happen. Sea Birds Calling carolers iphone 15 pro, your husband deserves it mom carolers . To tell me you want a new iphone . A better plan is verizon. dad no way theyd take this wreck. carolers yes, they will, in any condition. Get iphone 15 pro and ipad and apple watch all on them mom please forgive him. carolers its all good just a little awkward. soloist think well wrap this up. vo its your last chance to turn any iphone in any condition into a new iphone 15 pro with titanium and ipad and apple watch se all on us. Thats up to 1700 in value. Only on verizon. 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[cindy] and he used to go Visit A Nursing Home and he said that she would recognize his voice. Right. And she would start crying when he got ready to leave. And he was like, she has ruined years of my life. She has taken all this time and this is all her fault. And it kind of just snowballed. The schindlers had a private investigator talk to her, and she had told the investigator that Michael Schiavo said, we were young, we didnt know. You know, how could we have planned for end of life . Gentle Music Continues that he didnt know what terri wouldve wanted. Since day one, this whole case has been misrepresented and the evidence that was given to judge greer is not what it appears to be. We are hearing today from terris husband, michael. Michael has rarely spoken in public, but today he is speaking out. Bottom line here is im trying to carry out terris wishes. [interviewer] how do you know for sure what terris wishes were . She made comments to me. Now, what do you make of the comments by a woman that you dated after terri who said you told her that you two never talked about it . You were too young to be talking about things like that. I never made that comment to cindy. Okay, lets see what linda and tampa has to say. Go ahead. [linda] hi, im sure that you love her, but the mother and the father, they raised her. Now, why dont you divorce her and let the schindlers come to peace with this . Let these people have peace. In other words, let them have her to care for her . Yes. Okay. They wont carry out terris wishes. This is about terri. This is about her wishes, and thats why im trying to carry these out for her. I love terri tremendously. And you know, everybody looks at the schindlers, the poor schindlers. What about me . What do you think im losing . Im losing my wife, and nobody sees that. gentle music lets take a break. Back in a moment. [news reporter] there is a bitter legal fight thats underway right now over the right to end the life of a woman who voice fades out [news reporter] terris parents filed the lawsuit, alleging michael committed perjury. The schindlers took what Cindy Brasher said to court, but they didnt take it back to judge greer. They took it to a different judge, which was actually strategy. Well, im going to find that there is a likelihood of fraud, given the representations of Cindy Brashers. [anita] and he ordered the feeding tube back in. A Florida Appeals Court has reversed a decision to remove a longtime coma patient from life support. We were like, what . We didnt even understand what was going on. The effect of the decision is to feed her artificially, to give her medical treatment against her will. Michael schiavos Attorney Says an appeal is already in the works. I guess we got another first down, if people use the analogy of a football game. So were, you know, were still in the game. [anita] to this day its still even a little bit confusing. The tube was put back in, but there was nothing permanent about it. You know, what Cindy Brasher said to the radio show or to the investigator wasnt enough. The case went right back to judge greer. That judge had no business doing that. But the schindlers were granted a temporary injunction. The tube was reinserted. Thats when the case got legs, i think. Even though it was just temporary, i think the shiners saw that they could get what they wanted through manipulating the judicial system. This is the camera. I bought this in 1986 at a place called montgomery wards. Everybody wanted one of these and now you cant give em away. It served me well. Im michael vitadamo. I was married to suzanne schindler, and suzanne asked me if i could videotape terri. The idea was to humanize terri to make her be a, this is an actual person. This isnt just some Vegetable Lying in the bed, but there was no Video Cameras allowed in there, so we had to sneak the camera in. Suzanne went in and she opened the window and i had to hoist it up through the window and then walk around so the nurses who were on the front desk wouldnt see anything. Found a place to plug in the camera, and then we just had mary just come up to terris bed like she did every other time. Static Buzzing [mary] its mommy. Hi. Whats the matter . terri croaks haha. Whats the matter . And then somehow it got out to the media. [news reporter] in this home video, you can see Terri Schiavo laughing and moaning with her mother. [michael] it kind of just exploded. Today you would call it viral. [news reporter] look no further than this home video to see terri is conscious and even reacts to certain Family Members. And the family got their message out that this girl is alive. [interviewer] what do you see when you look at this . Theres somebody home. When you look at her, she is looking at her mother. This woman is not vegetative. [news reporter] in the middle of a clouded legal battle, a clearwater neurosurgeon, dr. William hammesfahr may have the answers terris parents have been looking for. In order to remove terris food and hydration or feeding tube, he had to prove that she was in a Persistent Vegetative State, and now because of dr. Hammesfahr, this was coming into question and the Appellate Court ordered medical examinations. The Appellate Court said, take another look at it, basically. Dont retry the case. Its over. Youve been affirmed. Heres this new thing. Review it and rule it. Nexium 24hr prevents Heartburn Acid for twice as long as pepcid. Get allday and allnight Heartburn Acid prevention with just one pill a day. Choose acid prevention. Choose nexium. From pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dogs food to the farmers dog, the effects can seem like magic. 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[william] Open Your Eyes up. Open your eyes. And terri hesitates for a few seconds, and then its undoubtable that she clearly opens her eyes on command. [william] terri, Open Your Eyes. There you go. Good. Good. laughs good job. Good job, young lady. Good job. Gentle Music Continues we were so encouraged and hopeful. If judge greer concluded that terris in a pvs, then they could move forward with removing the feeding tube. If he found that she wasnt, then it could have stopped everything from moving forward and saved terris life. Okay, baby. What . [robert] wheres that little bag . [william] okay, youre all set. Dr. Hammesfahr for shot about two hours of video during his examination of Terri Schiavo. [william] can you close your eyes for me . How much are you able to frame . So i counted the number of times he gave her a direction. [william] terri, can you close your eyes for me . I counted the number of times he asked Mary Schindler to give her direction. [william] mary, i want you to ask her to close your eyes. Terri, can you close your eyes for mommy . Close your eyes for mommy. terri groans can you close your eyes . Close your eyes tightly. Close your eyes for mommy. [william] close your eyes very tightly. Can you close them . Can you Open Your Eyes up real high . [william] close your eyes real tightly. Can you make a nice stare . [william] try and look for the red light. Open your eyes. [george] and there were over 150 directions. [william] terri, look at me. Close em real tightly, way over at me. Can you raise your eyebrows . Then i counted the number of times that he said she complied. [william] open em real wide for me. Real wide open up, real wide. Yeah, i saw that. Good job. So its almost 200 commands, and maybe five compliances. It just didnt jive to me. She collapsed in her apartment and she was diagnosed as being in a Persistent Vegetative State by a number of neurologists, classic Persistent Vegetative State. gentle music my name is jay wolfson. Im a professor of public health, medicine and pharmacy at the university of south florida. Im also a professor of health law. The extent to which we can ascertain somebody elses quality and quantity of consciousness by inference, thats what its all about. But theres a lot of ambiguity. Pvs is determined mostly with observational tests. So theres no measurable thing that you put in a beaker and say, ah, two milligrams of this, and five of this, and you every time get the same thing. Its a bit more subjective. 30,000 pages of legal and clinical documents. This is what i was asked to do. I had to make a report. I was asked by the court to provide an opinion about her diagnosis. Was there something that was missed by all the doctors and attorneys . Papers, radiograms ct scans. To make sure that there was no stone unturned going forward. So the most important thing i could do was to get to know ms. Schiavo. Terri Groaning terri would make noises during both her wake stages and her sleeping stages. Her head would move. That is part of what someone in a vegetative state does. terri laughing Cheerful Music Playing theyre not intentional, theyre just residual things that they do, Gentle Music Continues which makes it very confusing. As i felt more comfortable with her, i would hold her hand, touch her head and i would ask her, could she squeeze my hand . Could she blink her eyes . Could she follow some instructions . None of that resulted in a response, even though i did it over and over and over again. Didnt happen. This is ms. Schiavos, the ct scan. What do you see . Whats happening there . Your ventricles arent supposed to be filled that much with fluid. Whats all this stuff . A lot of dead brain tissue. A lot of dead brain tissue. Yeah. Yeah. The scan of ms. Schiavos brain showed that all of the brain itself had become liquified, including parts of the brain that are expressly responsible for cognition, for hearing, for seeing, for responding to things. All of those capacities were gone. I mean, that was not gonna change. It was not gonna grow back. The evidence supported not only the diagnosis, but the removal of the feeding nutrition tube. Did you remember that . We used to laugh at that. Youd take your eye and let it roll in the side. terri laughs you remember . [bobby] you know, you wanna label her in pvs. We didnt care. The way we looked at my sister was she had a disability, she had a severe brain injury. Then florida, you have the right, the legal right to die with dignity. Death is a part of life, dying with dignity. They say you have to give her a death with dignity, implying that living in a condition with a disability, somehow she no longer possesses dignity. I mean, theres no truth to that. The Pvs Diagnosis shouldnt mean that we should end her life. We had several doctors testified that, in fact, was the condition she was in, and in fact, it was irreversible. I felt very comfortable that this was the correct decision. Limu emu doug [bell ringing] and doug says, you can customize and save hundreds on Car Insurance with liberty mutual. he hits his mark center stage and is crushed by a baby grand piano. Are you replacing me . With this guy . Customize and save with liberty bibberty. He doesnt even have a mustache oh, look a bibu. [limu emu squawks. ] only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Onl [news reporter]u need. Doctors in florida have removed the feeding tube from a severely brain damaged woman today, ending a nearly decadelong fight that pitted her husband against her parents. Our legal avenues had been exhausted. So terris death clock was ticking, and we had to do something, you know, before the alarm went off. All right. Thanks. Thanks. And someone suggested that Randall Terry could help us. gentle music but i never heard of Randall Terry. Nobody did in our family. We had no idea who he was. Youre gonna get a sound bite from me and then weave it into the story. Im gonna get a sound bite, and then if they wanna use it on The Today Show tomorrow morning, they will. If they dont use it on The Today Show, i will set myself on fire. Oh my god. Embracing you. laughs [production staff] indistinct embracing you. Randall terry is the founder of operation rescue, and he is sort of famous for these protests outside Abortion Clinics. These really, really vocal protests. The Democratic Party has hid behind their godless, lying rhetoric for too long. [news reporter] operation rescue, a more militant approach. [news reporter] 20,000 antiabortion demonstrators have been arrested in 28 cities. The Abortion Clinic is closed. crowd cheers and applauds legalized child killings days are numbered. We will win. Gentle Piano Music music is a fun passion for me. When i was a young man, i wanted to go to julliard to play the piano, but god had other plans for my life, which im happy to have fulfilled. New york times, washington times, front page of the Style Section of washington post, there is when i had the privilege of meeting john paul ii. I invited him to come get arrested with us. He didnt come, but laughs he laughed. Randall Laughs the bible says that satan is the great dragon. My dragon is child killing. Ive spent my entire adult life fighting to end the killing of babies. Thats the mission. And the Prolife Movement is of peace. We focus on babies that are in the womb, but the commandment says, thou shalt not murder. Whether its active euthanasia or starving someone to death or dehydrating someone to death, murder is murder. Let terri live Let Terri Live Let Terri Live they are going to starve this woman to death. Let terri live Let Terri Live it is an act of cruelty, and ultimately, its murder itself. Let terri live Let Terri Live [randall] so please, in the name of truth. If they wanted to work towards saving terris life and theyre against abortion, im not gonna say no. Frankly at this point, my family didnt care about that. If he was gonna try and save terri, okay, lets do it. Thats how we felt. Camera Shutter Snapping so i told the schindlers, well rent an rv, and itll show to the media. Look, were here. Were not going anywhere. Okay. Super. [news reporter] terris parents, bob and Mary Schindler, Have Set Up Camp in this rv just across the street from where their daughter is housed. [randall] well have a 24hour vigil [group] deliver us from evil. [randall] and well get national television. The feeding tube was removed yesterday, and doctors say within the next 10 days, the 39yearold woman will die. [protesters] Let Terri Live Let Terri Live [randall] i told the family we have to get all this press coverage. Theres still hope. So we can put political pressure on people who need it. Crowd Cheering and applauding crowd laughs [anita] jeb bush was a popular governor. He had won reelection, he was a republican, and he was Hail To The Chief playing from this political family that we had all heard of, of course. People Chattering a thousand points of life. Crowd Cheering the United States and our allies have prevailed. Water Splashing just ahead on your right. There they are. The president ial gates leading to the former naval base. But jeb bush, he wanted to just kind of chart his own way, and when you look back at his legacy over his eight years, i mean the schiavo case will always be with him. Let terri live Let Terri Live Let Terri Live Let Terri Live i want to take this moment again to publicly beg Governor Bush. Randall said jeb could save terris life, but youve gotta get in front of him. You guys have to meet with him personally, humanize yourself, let him talk to mary, let him see the family, cause its gonna be harder for him to say no to your face. I was driving, it was like, okay, lets get there now. Traffic Rumbling Mariachi Music Playing jeb bush was doing some kind of groundbreaking, so i felt like we were hijacking his event laughs in order to get in front of him. Mariachi Music Playing there was a Mariachi Band and all these festivities going on, and then jeb bush walked in, no security or anything. I was surprised that this somehow happened, that this meeting actually happened. That this family is now meeting with the governor of florida. You know, he comes in and like shakes everybodys hand. And i think he looked at his sorts, because i mean, hes not expecting to meet my family that day. Before we actually met jeb bush, randall said, heres how this is gonna happen. Hes gonna meet us, hell sit and listen to you intently. When it comes to the end of the conversation, hes gonna slide to the end of his chair. Hes gonna slap the top of his knees and get up and say, i wish there was more that i could do. and thats exactly what happened. Exactly. And i just remember looking at randall like, damn. In the meeting, jeb said, im not a king. I cant just do anything i want. Mariachi Music Playing [reporter] are you looking with the attorney general, or what are you guys looking at now . I am not aware of any alternative, but im not a legal scholar either, so voice fades but i said, if we get legal opinions that say you could intervene on her behalf, as the governor, would you consider doing it . He said, yes, send them on to me. Legal advisors to the governor are continuing to look into this to see if there is anything that the governor can do. In 2003, i was a member of the florida senate. When the Terri Schiavo case really sort of burst into the public scene, we heard rumblings that Governor Bush was actually pushing a law that would allow him to reinsert her feeding tube. This is an incredible convergence of timing. Legislatures in special session, which it almost never is this time of year. I think we need to give those parents that opportunity to see if they can save their daughters life. [debbie] it was mostly on party lines. If this body does nothing, a very bad thing will happen. Its inappropriate for us to be reversing their decision that they carefully deliberated for. My first thought was, im not a lawyer, but i am very clear that the governor does not have the ability to override Court Decisions in any constitutional construction. Typically, it takes months to pass a law, but terris law was crafted in less than a day. But this really boiled down to you cant just target the law to affect one person. And thats what they decided to do with terris law. [news reporter] it applies only to cases where a patient has no living will, is in a Persistent Vegetative State, had food and hydration tubes removed, and has a Family Member challenging the removal. [protesters] Let Terri Live Let Terri Live [house speaker] all members voted. The clerk will announce the vote. [clerk] 73 yeas, 24 nays, mr. Speaker. [house speaker] the bill passes. gavel bangs i will sign it into law immediately. The law will give me that authority, and i will issue the stay. [reporter] you feel at all like youre playing god here and interfering with perhaps his will . No, im not playing god at all. This evening, an ambulance picked up Terri Schiavo and took her to a nearby hospital to begin the procedure of hydrating and feeding her once again. Traffic Rumbling Crowd Cheering and clapping bobby laughs People Chattering gentle music looks like we might see the light at the end of the tunnel here. So she came back to the hospice with her feeding tube reinserted. Shes very capable of making a recovery. You know, i think back and its the way our family, in particular, my mom and dad, they were just parents that loved their child and wanted to care for her. Its a miracle, an absolute miracle. Crowd Cheering [bobby] and just to see their joy when the feeding tube was reinserted. She looks great. Shes tired, but she just looks wonderful. Mmhmm. [robert] and were very happy about it. Yeah, it was, sniffs you know, one of the good moments. And yeah, i thought we, you know, i guess i was being naive. I thought we won. I thought it was over. You know, i didnt kind of process that it wasnt, cause felos just went into high gear after that. He was not happy. Not happy. Im a little anxious, im a little excited. Im gonna be emotional, shes gonna be emotional, but its gonna be so worth it. I love that i can give back to one of our customers. I hope you enjoy these amazing gifts. Oh my goodness. Oh, you guys. I know you like wrestling, so we got you some vip tickets. You have made an impact. So have you. For you guys to be out here doing Something Like this, it restores a lot of faith in humanity. Senator, a potentate it restores a lot of faith in humanity. gentle music should have the right to override somebodys medical treatment wishes. It was disturbing to see the raw exercise of political power in this case. It wasnt about endoflife issues anymore. Now, the case became a battle between the governor and the court system. [news reporter] the Florida Supreme Court heard arguments today in one of the nations longest righttodie disputes. The essential issue here is who is entitled to make a decision on a matter so personal and private . It would be a dangerous precedent to have the courts override it retroactively, because then there is no rule of law. Then the courts becomes subservient. Definition is gonna be done voice fades out to the executive branch, and thats a country that i dont wanna live in. Floridas Supreme Court struck down as unconstitutional a law passed to keep Terri Schiavo alive. Its not clear tonight how soon that feeding tube may now be removed. You know, we encourage people in tough situations, remember prayer and, you know, belief in prayer. Calling out to god for help in times of crisis is a very common american theme. gentle music the schindlers case looked sorta over, but they were saying, can you help us save our daughter . As a person of faith, as a christian, the answers pretty simple, that people like terri matter to god. At this point, we are deeply grateful. And again, the family has tremendous faith. They have said, we are prayerful to god. Once david gibbs got involved in the litigation, the schiavo case took a serious turn. Political and religious forces saw an opportunity to promote an agenda that went way past this family tragedy. The Gibbs Law Firm was part of a larger effort by an intricate web of religious organizations. I think the choice has to go to protecting her life. You gotta err on the side of caution. I think theyre gonna be. Who are trying to change the course of american law toward religious dogma. Our goal must be to build this country into a christian nation crowd cheers and claps firmly build on the 10 commandments. They want what they call biblical law as the law of the land. We wanna make all our decisions in light of the eternity to come. They are christian nationalists. Thats their agenda. Theocracy. Theres no other way of putting it. Thats why i got involved in the schiavo case as an appellate lawyer helping george felos. I respect peoples religious values, but i just dont want it forced on me. Everyone understands that when the pope speaks, you now have the official word of the church. This statement by Pope John Paul ii says, Withholding Food and water is equal to euthanasia. I couldnt believe it that he even knew about her, okay, and here he comes out with this, you know, this proclamation. That was amazing. He was my favorite pope anyway. gentle music youre really saying that if terri had seen what the pope said, that wouldve changed everything for her with regard to how shed want her situation to be right now . Absolutely. [jeff] gibbs filed motion after motion. They want you to believe that terri is a vegetable. Our response back, number one, is that terris not a vegetable. Making some really outland claims. And then i took her by the arms like this, and i said, terri. For example, one of his associates was at terris bedside and kept asking her, do you want to live . Do you want to live . And terri said, ah. And then she screamed, wah gibbs filed the brief saying she has now spoken. She has said, ahhhhh, waaaaaaa, which meant i want to live. Almost laughable, but this guy would do anything. 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It would be unbelievable for us to starve to death a woman. The problem is that we live under the reign of judicial tyrants. Theyre gods that walk among us. Its a clear violation of the separation of powers. Thats our contention. These judges ignore the law. Judges like greer give us pornography, no prayer in schools, no bible in schools, no 10 commandment in schools. Heres condoms for kids. Heres dead babies by abortion. Heres homosexual marriage. All your state laws be damned. Right now what we have is a little tin pot dictator judge, greer, telling everyone what to do. We dont have anyone with the guts and the backbone and the wisdom to stop him. Gentle Music Continues velcro rips there it is. I looked like michelin man when i had it on. You just hope people are shooting you where the bulletproof fest is instead of some other place. We had a lot of threats. So whenever i was out of my condo, whether i was walking the dog or going to the grocery store, i wore it. They arrested somebody in North Carolina for threatening. There was a bounty on me and Michael Schiavo. Somebody who was arrested in san francisco. I dont know if theyre religious. I dont know if theyre antiabortionists. I dont know if theyre just wackos. [news reporter] according to Law Enforcement officials, there have been many threats against the judge in this case. [george] then in early march, i got kicked out of my church because my pastor did not agree with my ruling. No one like you you save me, you save me you save me, you save me you save me, you save me you save me, you save me lord jesus theres no one like you im a good christian, and im prolife. Praise the lord but do i go to the good book to decide cases . The answer is no, because thats not what im supposed to do. My job is to apply the law to the facts. Thats it. If god says this is your day, nobody will stop it. Congregation Applauding jesus love you Camera Shutters Snapping good afternoon, everyone. Mrs. Schiavos feeding tube was removed at approximately 1 45 pm today, pursuant to the order of judge greer. People Chattering just go over here. Were all here. Were all here. Just do it. I have been told, i havent yet seen, but the tube has been removed and we are now up against a very tight clock, because terri is in the process of being starved to death, and so at this point we are moving voices fades [david voiceover] we were kind of, you know, out of options in the state courts. But it is looking more and more like washington, dc, is gonna have to step forward and save terris life. We wanted a Federal Court to review the fundamental constitutional fairness of what had occurred in all the courts prior. Airplane Soaring but to do that, we needed an act of congress. It wasnt Like Congress just decided they were gonna get involved in this situation. I flew to dc to get in front of whoever it was, democrat, republican, congressperson, senator. My sister should at least, at the very least, have a federal review. I was pleading with them to do something to stop this madness from happening. gentle music Terri Schiavo is alive. Shes not just barely alive. Shes not being kept alive. She is alive as you and i. I couldnt believe it. It was so stunning, i could hardly breathe. Like how could we be doing this again . I had just been elected to the house of representatives, and now the republicans drafted legislation. If the federal Court Decides to remove this case from that judge in florida, they can do so. And that was their crafty way of attempting to get the courts to bend to their will, to reinsert her feeding tube. Governor, do we have you on the phone . Can you hear me Governor Bush . [debbie] it felt like groundhogs day. [jeb] were continuing to work on several fronts. Governor bush, not a person who likes to lose. And so you know what he was gonna do was just call up his brother and use his power. In extraordinary circumstances like this. [debbie] to force the issue. It is wise to always air on the side of life. audience applauds and cheers but this really wasnt about Terri Schiavos life or feeling for her parents. This case. [debbie] it was about scoring political points. Breaks my heart and i think it breaks the heart of millions of americans. [debbie] because this bill was being pushed on behalf of right wing religious conservative groups. I promise you, if she dies, there is going to be hell to pay. [debbie] Randall Terry, you know, the Family Research council. And then there were, there were conflicts about her diagnosis. All of those really rightwing antichoice, get all up in a womans business groups. You just cant start killing people. And when they have a demand, the Republican Party was going to meet that demand. [jeff] bill frist, he was a republican senator and he was a doctor. Based on a review of the video footage, which i spent an hour or so looking at last night. He got up on the floor of the senate and he said, ive seen those videotapes. That footage should to me depicts something very different than Persistent Vegetative State. Its a Doctor Watching edited videotapes, making the diagnosis from the floor of the senate. Its just outrageous. The schiavo bill passed in the senate by unanimous consent. That means not one democrat, not one democratic senator was willing to go to the leadership and force a floor vote on this. They just let this thing go. No other fount i know nothing but The Blood Of Jesus nothing but The Blood Of Jesus the family is elated to find out that President Bush is cutting his Vacation Time short to get back to dc to get ready to sign this legislation, should it pass both houses. Helicopter Whirring gentle music i honestly couldnt believe that he left his vacation and came home early to sign the bill. I was dumbfounded by the way the whole thing was propelling. Helicopter Whirring its like, this is bad hollywood writing. laughs you cant make this up. But it was really happening. I was thrilled. The members are here, the hour has come. Mr. Speaker call the vote. Those favors say aye. Aye. Those opposed, no. members speak faintly gavel bangs you know, the republicans are in the majority. Its their bill. Bill was gonna pass. So our job was to really try to shine a light on this debate and engage with the American People on how inappropriate this was. I was still very new, and when you are a freshman in the minority, nobody cares what you think and nobody really knows you. Were getting a little bit bogged down in the pursuit. [debbie voiceover] you know, i had to really be kind of brazen. Where will we stop if we allow this to go forward . You will end up throwing end of Life Decisions into utter chaos and inserting ourselves in the middle of families all across america, and we cant do that. Could you explain, should there be a distinction between providing food as opposed to medical sustenance . We are members of congress. Thats the bottom line. I cant get into those kinds of questions. We dont know. Were not god, and were not Terri Schiavos husband, sister, brother, uncle, or cousin. Were members of congress. We make laws and we uphold the law, and we swore to protect the constitution, gentle music and we are thumbing our nose at the constitution if this goes forward. And then they woke up President Bush shortly after one oclock to get him to sign it, and now what weve been calling the Terri Schiavo bill is now the Terri Schiavo law. People Chattering this was our last shot. Hey, everybody. [reporter] do you have the lawsuit with you . We have the lawsuit with us, and we are on our way to file. [david voiceover] the legislation passed hours ago. [reporter] were told the court is gonna be ready to go. And so what we did is we went to the federal judge and said, well, the only way for the federal review to occur is for terri to be kept alive, and so we have to reinsert the feeding tube. And with everything on the line. Sleepy. I didnt sleep. There was no room for compromise. reporters calling out one of the most important issues under our United States constitution is the right to life. I think the intent of congress was to simply replace their judgment for that of Terri Schiavo. Terris husband, Michael Schiavo, is angry that lawmakers got involved. You know, i should be with her right now, but im so outraged at what happened with congress, i need to speak out. Has the bill thats substantially impaired. [interviewer] do you feel frustrated that youre up against the government . I dont think frustrated is a good word. Im angry. Theyre stepping into a personal private matter for votes. audience applauds and cheers theyre making the decisions for us. Big brother is gonna do that. 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Let terri live were not dead yet [david] terris case really pulled across the political spectrum. We are leftwing radicals. We are not religious people, and we are a separate disability rights group. We are here today voice fades out [david] you know, the Disability Rights World was inflamed and very concerned. People of faith were concerned. I think theres something about her struggle. It lifts us above the lines that divide. You know, moms across america were concerned. I mean this case just touched at everybodys humanity, and it also asks some very deep questions as the whole world watched to see whats gonna happen with Terri Schiavo. [reporter] everyone is really concerned in sweden and norway. They should. They should be. Yeah . Yeah. Yeah, were opening the door to euthanasia here in america. Excuse me. Group Singing softly and i give my life to you sometimes i view myself like gods blunt object. What ive been able to bring to the table over the years is a willingness to say and to do things that other people dont want to say and dont want to do, so i set out to create a shit storm. Isnt it possible that we have two different sides here . A family and a husband both love this Terri Schiavo i dont believe that he loves her. Hes very volatile. There have been women who testified under oath that he stalked them, that he tried to run one of his exgirlfriends off the road. Something is amiss. The First Casualty of a culture war is truth. She had a neck injury and she also had fractured ribs, and she had, i think, a broken pelvis. So she was just pretty well beat up, according to the radiologist. roberts voice fades out during the schiavo case, the schindlers created a campaign of misinformation. A tremendous amount of evidence that indicates that there might have been a violent episode. [jeff] about Michael Schiavo. Do you think he harmed your daughter . Quite likely, yes. In todays parlance, you might call it alternative facts. There were a lot of alternative facts. It was, i believe, a combination of two things money and foul play. Accusations that michael was a killer. Neck injury voice fades he was evil incarnate. Hes afraid that shell wake up and actually, you know, say what happened that night. I dont regret anything i said about michael. I feel like everything i say about michael, or ive said about michael, is kind of true. She had multiple broken bones. I mean, i dont know that we said anything horrible about him, just that we think he was responsible for her collapse. dramatic music we never found any proof that michael abused his wife. All these things were examined in the end, and there was no evidence for any of these allegations. And you know, when i first started covering this case back in 2000 when they had the first trial, neither side disputed that the other side loved Terri Schiavo. Nobody was talking about abuse then. Those are things that changed over time. These are crimes against god and crimes against humanity. Let terri live Let Terri Live the simple moral reality. Drum Thumping the father, the son and to the holy spirit. Protesters Shouting Bagpipes Playing [protester] were not dead yet were not dead yet. Protesters Shouting [protester] unnecessary voice fades when we would drive into work, we had to drive through the gauntlet of protestors. I never had so many people send me to hell. laughs jesus christ hates you. You better make sure youre right with jesus. Lord, in the name of jesus, i curse this place. Let terri live Let Terri Live we called it the siege. Handcuffs Snapping why dont you guys get right with god and stop supporting the homosexuals and the lesbians and the abortionists . [becky] this place that was designed Protesters Shouting to be an oasis. And there has been a lot of angry shouting, the police have moved in. Became a battleground. [protesters] give terri water give terri water and trying to set that aside so we could be present as we cared for the patients and the families. Protesters Shouting the contrast was just mindboggling. Helicopter Whirring a threat was called into the Pinellas County Sheriffs Office of there was a bomb in this area near the hospice and that it would go off if terri dies. Helicopter Whirring all right, yes or no . Are there snipers on the roofs as rumors indicate . Weve taken every position that we feel that could be threatened. I remember i thought, oh, i dont think id be able to forgive myself if a Family Member or an employee was injured. gentle music Michael Schiavo had a plan and we had a plan to support him. His brother would drive him to the hospice and he would lay down with a blanket over him so that none of the cameras could see him coming and going. And he stayed away from windows as much as he could because he told me, you know, theres some people out there that would be happy to kill me just because of what they think they know about who i am. Im afraid i wouldve had to kill him before it reached the stage. Who . Kill michael. I think somebody should speak for mr. Schiavo. This guy deserves a medal. Why . Because he is stuck by her all these years and is Still Standing by her and trying to do what she wanted. Sometimes the greater love is the love that can let go. People Chattering he was her husband. He had the right to make that decision. gentle music nobody else. Him. To have a good death is to be with people you wanna be with at your time. Thats the ideal hospice goal. We found out that most patients go through five stages in coming to terms with the fact that theyre dying and often their families go through the same stages the patient does. He firsts react with shock and denial. Mr. Gibbs said that he felt that perhaps she was beyond help, even if food and water were restored. You know, im not a medical doctor. She seems to be, you know, as i said, fighting very hard to stay alive. [elisabeth] next, the patient gets angry. He enters what we call the stage of bargaining. Michael, please, please give my child back to me. [elisabeth] then they become depressed and then reached the last stage, the stage of acceptance. The effects of her starvation and hydration are showing, but i think the people who are anxious to see her die are getting their wish. Camera Shutters Snapping its happening. She runs and plays like a puppy again. His 2s are perfect hes a brand new dog, all in less than a year. When people switch their dogs food from kibble to the farmers dog, they often say that it feels like magic. But theres no magic involved. dog bark its simply fresh meat and vegetables, with all the nutrients dogs need instead of dried pellets. 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Liberty mutual customized my Car Insurance and i saved hundreds. With the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. I was a bit nervous at first but then i figured its just walking, right . [dog barks] oh. No its just a bunny calm down taco. Sit duchess. Stop sesame no no. Archie walter dont, no, ahhhh. Ahhhhh youre lucky youre so cute. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. gentle music what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Things were starting to change, and i sat and held her hand the whole night, and i sat right there by her side, and i caressed her head, caressed her arms and told her it was okay. I had a candle going and there were some flowers in the room and some soft music was playing. At seven oclock in the morning, we got a phone call that her brother and sister wanted to come in and see her. People Chattering i left the room. Group Singing softly [bobby] we knew terri was close, so we got to visit her one last time. It was suzanne and i. gentle music it was tough. The deterioration happened. I mean, it happens slowly, but then like the last few days its like, wow, you know . We knew it was getting close and some hospice people came in and said, you have to leave. And we were like, no, were not leaving. Im not leaving my sister right now. And they said, well, just, just for a minute. We have to kind of assess whats going on, and then well let you right back in. Walked out. It was right then the police got in front of us. As i was walking past, i could see bobby standing out in the lobby arguing with the cop, and administrators telling me, you know, bobby just got in an argument. He wants to stay. What do you want . And im thinking to myself, i dont want a Police Officer in that room. I dont want any arguments. I wanna be with my wife when she dies, so i said, no. gentle music builds maybe, you know, people dont agree with that, but that was my decision at the time. protestor Speaking Faintly [bobby] they threw us out. They told us we how to lead the premises right away. [protestor] in purpose and destiny. We are voices fades out you know, its a shame. I think there were a lot of feelings that were misinterpreted, and i dont know that we ever sat down and just had a hearttoheart discussion about what we were all feeling. And maybe if michael and i wouldve been better at communicating with each other, maybe it never wouldve turned into what it turned into back then. If we wouldve sat down and really hashed things out. Im sure terri wouldve wanted us to get along and be happy, but it didnt happen. Gentle Music Continues i got back to her room. I went around to the side of the bed. I knelt next to her. michael exhales sharply i lifted her up in my arms just like that night it happened, and i told her i loved her and she died. Waves Crashing [elisabeth] acceptance is that feeling of i have finished my unfinished business. I have done my best. They are at peace, inside and outside. And ready for the last journey. Gentle Music Continues yeah. It was over. Its over and shell never have to do that again. gentle music Camera Shutters Snapping could you give us some room please . Could you give us some room please . Give us little room, please . Come on, guys. People Chattering Camera Shutters Snapping as youre aware, terri is now with god, and shes been released from all earthly burdens. Shes finally at peace for eternity. He was like a soldier. He got us through it all. I wanna just thank everybody, okay . Thank you. But once terri died, my dads health deteriorated pretty quickly. Gentle Music Continues i think he felt like he failed. He failed terri, and i dont think he could live with that. Waves Splashing and i think it killed him. Our keynote speaker tonight is bobby schindler. This case was built on lies. Just like the abortion industry is built on lies, so is imposed death and euthanasia. You cant in any way compromise when it comes to something that is wicked or evil, because it opens the door for others to die the same way. drums banging its good to come here and see everybody, see our friends, and know we have to keep fighting and protecting life. protestors chanting hey, randall. Im mellow laughs we are the mellow generation. protestors shouting say what you want about terris condition, about better brain injury. It doesnt matter and it shouldnt matter. gentle music it doesnt in any way justify something that was so wrong. My most important kitchen tool . My brain. So i choose new neuriva ultra. Unlike some others, it supports 7 brain health indicators, including Mental Alertness from one serving. To help keep me sharp. Try new neuriva ultra. Think bigger. This place try new neuriva ultra. And build a culture of life. congregation applauds after Terri Schiavo died, more than ever, i think people on the religious right realized we need to change the federal judiciary. protestors shouting has Terri Schiavo become the new face of the right to Life Movement in this country . Federal judges do matter and it does make a difference who serves on the bench. You dont like the courts . Change the membership. gentle music i samuel a. Alito jr. Do solemnly swear. Judge alitos horrendous record on the right to privacy and the womans right to make her own choices was something that really worried me. Can america risk a Supreme Court Justice Alito casting the deciding vote to drag us through another tragic saga, similar to the Terri Schiavo case . It wasnt just the us Supreme Court, it was the courts of appeal across the country, the district court, the trial courts, where litigation begins at the federal level. This is one of the greatest legacies of President Trump in this republican senate. It was a deliberate process to create a network of judges who could build momentum and were essentially willing to overturn roe v. Wade. In this historic six to three decision written by samuel alito, the Supreme Court has now overturned roe v. Wade. Reproductive choice and the right to die. Its two sides of the same coin. Its an assault on the right to personal autonomy. If schiavo would happen today, i think likely it would have a very different outcome. Gentle Music Continues i stayed in touch with michael to this day. He has a wife, he has children, he has a good job, and hes back to being a private person. Hes just a regular guy who got caught up in something really extraordinary. I didnt want to get involved in the media and there were some points where i had to, and when it was over, i wanted it to be over, move on with my life. The spotlight was brutal for him. He endured it, he survived it, and he moved on, and he has every reason to avoid it now. From his perspective, for him personally, theres no reason to dredge all this awful stuff up. And i respect that. Gentle Music Continues Footsteps Tapping throughout this whole thing, Terri Schiavo, who became the poster child for every cause, and the causes were all so different, they were opposite. Everybody saw what they wanted in her. Birds Chirping republicans saw something. What do the lives of the innocent mean to you and i . What are we willing to sacrifice . [anita] the democrats saw something. How were we going to really prioritize womens healthcare . I really wanna highlight something. The different inter groups saw something. Every cause claimed her. Both sides of her family claimed her, but from what i know about her, for what her family knows about her, she wouldve hated all of it. Gentle Music Continues its sad, you know, that all these people were sort of fighting over her, but without really knowing her. Gentle Music Continues gentle horn music shaaron anderson i miss her smile and her laughter. I miss everything about her. Its more difficult to speak in public about it now. Laughter. I miss everything about her. It is more difficult to speak in public about it now. The news swept the nation when she vanished, laci peterson, the beaming young mom to be. Please, please let her come