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Funding. He accused the organization of not being aggressive enough countering the global spread of the coronavirus. They called it wrong. They called it wrong. They really they missed the call. They could have called months earlier. They would have known. And they should have known. And they probably did know. So well be looking into that very carefully. And were going to put a hold on money spent to the w. H. O. Were going to put a very powerful hold on it. But just minutes after making that statement, the president then reversed course and walked back what he said about funding. Is the time to freeze funding during the w. H. O. During a pandemic . I mean, im not saying im going to do it, but im going to look at it. You did say no, i didnt. I said were going to investigate it. Were going to look at it. If you look back over the year, theyre very much everything seems to be very biased toward china. Thats not right. All right. Lets do a brief factcheck here. So President Trump accused w. H. O. Of missing the call. But in reality, the organization sounded the alarm in the early days of this crisis, back on january 30th, the w. H. O. s director general declared the coronavirus outbreak, quote, a Public Health emergency of international concern. That very same day, President Trump held an event in michigan where he said this. Were working very strongly with china on the coronavirus thats a new thing thanks a lot of people are talking about. Hopefully, it wont be as bad as some people think it could be. But were working very closely with them. And with a lot of other people in a lot of other countries and we think we have it very well under control. So, in the days and weeks after that the president also continued to downplay the dangers of the coronavirus which Health Experts say ended up slowing americas overall response to it. Joining me White House Reporter for politico gabby orr. Gabby, lets get into this a little bit hordes to the World Health Organization and the president s messaging, missing the mark, as this pandemic was developing around the world. What do you make of withholding funds from the World Health Organization. The president stating there yesterday evening in that briefing, the possibility of wanting to withhold funds amidst this pandemic in trying to tamp down the spread . Well, this president has long been critical of multinational organizations including the w. H. O. This is something that his administration has tried to do before. Notwithstanding, in fact, if you go back to february and you look at the trump administrations Budget Proposal they attempted to cut funding to the w. H. O. Almost in half. So, i do think this is part of a trend that weve seen since President Trump took office. But to do this in the middle of a pandemic, as america relies on not only the global coordination and the incoming shipment supplies from other countries and help from the World Health Organization is a different situation. And i think there are a lot of people inside the white house who are urging President Trump to back away from that, even as he tries to put a meaning to w. H. O. As a scapegoat. Hes done this with the media. Hes done this with china. Now, hes just trying to go to another place where he can put the blame for his own response to the coronavirus. Yeah. Now is not the time to put politics with the World Health Organization when were in the midst of a pandemic. Speaking of the w. H. O. As well, you talk about testing, right . The president could have been ahead the curve on testing had he taken the w. H. O. Tests that were originally developed with regards to figuring out coronavirus. So, we well know, at this point, the president has faced a lot of criticism over his slow response to this coronavirus. How is this pushback being received . Well, its interesting because a lot of the governors who are really facing theyre facing it hard by this pandemic are in places that will be critical to the president s election in 2020 and he has tangled with them over testing, over the availability of ventilators and Health Care Workers and medical supplies. Take michigan, for example. The president has increasingly been hostile to governor whitmer, and he really encounters, you know, certain entanglements with a lot of these governors who are going to play an Important Role in the 2020 election. And their own Approval Rating is sort of rising as we see the president s Approval Rating for his handling of this crisis go down. And thats something that paying close attention, to i know just speaking with President Trumps advisers that theyre well aware of the president s position. And how he is perceived, versus how a lot of these Popular Democratic governors are perceived so that is important for him to be mindful of, for him to Pay Attention to. Particularly as he talked about the availability of vaccines, treatments, virus testing. It will be testing to see how things emerge politically, once the dust settles with the coronavirus. Gabby orr, thank you so much. Were going to talk to you in just a little bit. Moving on, china ended its lockdown in wuhan of the city. City reopened after ten weeks, 76 days exactly. With officials allowing people out of wuhan for the First Time Since late january. Travelers, some of them head to toe in protective gear rushed to take trains and planes out of wuhan. So far, there were no direct flights to beijing in international locations. Passengers had reportedly to pass three temperature checks before boarding a plane. But lifting wuhans lockdown is only the beginning. Businesses there face tough conditions. Neighborhood authorities continue to regulate the movement of people according to the the New York Times report which frame the return to life in wuhan as a distant dream, yesterday since the First Time Since the pandemic began, china reported no deaths. Joining us live from beijing, Janis Mackey Frayer. Janis, its great to see you this morning. Talk about what officials are saying with regarding to lifting the lockdown in wuhan. Reporter well, we have seen some easing of restrictions in the past few weeks that allowed people to get around in the city a little more, to get out of their homes a little more without the time limits that have applied for the last 11 weeks. What today marks is the end of the official travel ban, which means people can leave the city, come back into the city more freely than they have been since late january. They do need to pass a series of tests as you mentioned. And even to book a ticket on a flight or a train requires each person to produce a green health code. This is now the Gold Standard for freedom of movement in china. Its a code generated in a phone app thats widely used to track covid19 cases that proves you are indeed healthy. So in order to even book a ticket you have to be able to produce that. This is one of the ways that china is trying to monitor covid19 cases even as they know and are now acknowledging that there are asymptomatic cases that they needs to concerned with. Because as conditions ease especially in a place like wuhan which, of course, was the epicenter of this pandemic, there are concerns that people who could be asymptomatic could open new transmission routes for the virus and possibly trigger the second wave of infection thats feared here. So, lets talk about some of that video were seeing there, janis, reports of people rushing to leave wuhan at this point. Talk to us more about that with regards to what you know. And what sort of regulations are still in place. Reporter well, think about it, yasmin, 76 days of lockdown, of being told you that cant leave your house. That you need a pass to even walk through your door. That one person from your family can go and get groceries every couple of days. And knowing that the hospitals were being overrun with thousands of people, battling what was still then a mystery virus. And every person, all 11 Million People in wuhan were affected by this, be it through sickness, uncertainty or by death. So, to have this now lifted and perhaps a degree of freedom of movement signifies a remarkable shift. That said, there are still no illusions. There are restrictions that are still in place. There are still concerns. Its by no means a normal life, but it is, at least, a bit better today. Yasmin. Almost, Janis Mackey Frayer for us. Great to see you today. Still ahead, everybody, wisconsin becomes the first state to hold a primary election when most states are under strict stayathome order. Plus, while the country is focused on the coronavirus, President Trump has ousted two Inspector Generals and publicly criticized a third. Those stories, and, of course, a check of your weather when we come back. Yes. Its the first word of any new discovery. But when allergies attack, the excitement fades. Allegra helps you say yes with the fastest nondrowsy allergy relief and turning a half hearted yes, into an all in yes. Allegra. Live your life, not your allergies. burke at farmers insurance, weve seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. Even a threering fender bender. clown 1 sorry about that. clown 2 apologies. clown 1 . Didnt mean it. clown 3 whoops. stilts sorry clowns were sorry scary hey, were sorry [man screams] [scary screams] burke quite the circus. But we covered it. 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However, we will not learn the results of yesterdays primary until april 13th after a federal court ruling prohibited the results from being released before then. Amid the coronavirus pandemic, President Trump has removed the Inspector General tasked to oversee the 2. 2 relief package. The ousting of glenn fine is President Trumps latest attack on watchdogs who serve as oversight on the executive branch. On friday, trump fired michael atkinson, the Intelligence Community Inspector General who forwarded the complaint that ultimately led to the impeachment in the house. On monday, the president condemned the acting health and Human Services watchdog over a survey of hospitals about the coronavirus response. Top democratic lawmakers swiftly condemned the president s latest actions. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tweeted, the sudden removal and replacement of the acting a. G. Is part of the retaliation of the president against independent overseers fulfilling their duties to conduct oversight on behalf of the american people. Lets get into this a bit. Joining me now, msnbc legal ant li analyst Danny Cevallos. Great to see you. There is a law requiring the existing attorney general to over see the response to the efforts. What happened to that oversight after the firing of the a. G. . Taking a step back, inspectors general are a relatively recent statutory creation. And the very existence of their job is that they exist within the executive branch, but they investigate the executive branch. And so that creates a very awkward situation for the very nature of inspectors general. And the interesting thing about them is that generally speaking they can be removed for any reason. They serve at the pleasure of the president. And i suspect that somebodys gotten in trumps ear and let him know that as long as he states that hes lost confidence in the Inspector General, well, a court during the Obama Administration has concluded that even this minimal statement of reasons for firing an Inspector General are enough. Thats enough, under the statute, in most cases. Theres some exceptions. A few inspectors general that require more. But generally speaking, the president can remove them for any reason. They need to do is provide 30 days notice. Lets talk about wisconsins primary here quickly, danny. There is a good chance a lot of folks are going to be challenging the results when the results actually do come out. Someone at some point will challenge the results because of yesterday. What do you make of that . First, theyre going to challenge the results based on the same Wisconsin Statutes that ordered the election to be held. And those are the same statutes that were key in the courts decision finding, the Wisconsin Supreme Court decision finding that the governor did not have the power with an executive order to override the statutory requirement that wisconsin hold its elections on a particular day. So, the challenge will probably come to the exact same statute that this statute denied its citizens, at least the allegation will be, denied its citizens that statutory and arguably constitutional right to vote and have their vote be counted and heard. All right, Danny Cevallos for us. Thank you, great seeing you, danny. Still ahead, everybody, as the coronavirus moves across the country, data shows that africanamericans are facing an alarming rate of infection. Were taking a look at the Racial Disparities, next. Its a voice on the other end of the phone. A note to say youre on our mind. A willingness to come to you. The world and how we interact with each other is changing. 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In louisiana, 70 of deaths are among black people who make up only 32 of the states population. In illinois, 15 of residents are black, yet, they represent 43 of deaths. And in michigan, 14 of the residents are black, yet, they represent 40 of the covid19 deaths. The president could not explain why blacks are more likely to die from the virus, but dr. Anthony fauci could. We want to find therapeutics. We want to find vaccines, that will solve everybodys problem. But why is it that the africanamerican community, is so much, numerous times more than everybody else, we want to find the reason for it. Weve known literally forever that diseases like diabetes, hypertension, obesity and asthma are disproportionately afflicting the minority populations, particularly the africanamericans. Unfortunately, when you look at the disproportion of the bad numbers that get people into intubation and often lead to death they are just the comorbidities that are unfortunately disproportionate in the africanamerican population. Were very concerned about it. Its very sad. Theres nothing we can do about it right now except to give them the best possible care to avoid those complications. Also after that historically lack of access to health care as well. I want to bring in meteorologist bill karins standing by for us. Tracking the weather as always, bill. But also tracking the numbers with the coronavirus. Yesterday was a tough day for new york. We were warned it was going to be a tough week overall. And also across the country, cases continuing to go up. Yourselasmin, its going to tough one or two weeks, its the lag once we get the positive cases, then the deaths from the positive cases are a week or two later. Roughly 2 , 3 in this country, we had an example yesterday, 32,000 new cases that will be 1,500 deaths two weeks from now. Dont expect this curve to go down soon. As we mentioned yesterday, almost 2,000 fatalities. The previous record was on saturday, 1,350. So were about 600 higher than that. But yesterday was a horrific day and unfortunately, well expect more days similar to this. As far as state by state went. All of the states had a Record Number of new fatalities in a 24hour period. Obviously we mentioned new york. New jersey, 229. Georgia jumped way up on this, they had only a little over 200 going into yesterdays count. Then added 119. Michigan, 118. You can see massachusetts and illinois on that list as well. Lets jump to the weather front we do have dangerous weather, we have big thunderstorms that are ending they just went through washington, d. C. Theyre done in new york. Theres a little wet weather still until areas of west virginia. But later on this afternoon, weve got this area were going to watch for enhanced risk of severe storm. We could get pretty good size storms in ohio valley and Tennessee Valley on the radar around 10 00 p. M. This evening. Thats when the storms are going to start blowing up. An overnight threat. Maybe overnight tornadoes, Southern Indiana and kentucky, and eventually tennessee. Tomorrow, what a nasty day in the northeast. Yasmin, for our friends in northern portions of maine we could be looking at 6 to 12 inches of snow as we go throughout your thursday. Wow. I know, thats an ugly day tomorrow. That is not the news that folks want about now. Thank you, bill. As bill was just mentioning, still ahead, everybody, deaths from coronavirus in new york hitting a new high. But Health Officials are still voicing optimism about reaching a plateau soon. Also, the latest on Boris Johnsons condition after the Prime Minister spent the second night in the intensive care unit. 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We begin this half hour with the state of new york reeling from the largest single day death toll since the coronavirus pandemic began. 731 people died between monday and tuesday. The number of fate facilialitie empire state has risen to 5500. Thats almost half of the total deaths reported across the united states. That is the largest single day increase. And we talk about numbers. But that 731 people who we lost behind every one of those numbers is an individual, is a family, is a mother, is a mother, is a sister, is a brother. So, a lot oaut ot of pain again for many new yorkers. Health officials believe that the spiking death toll indicates that new york is battling the outbreaks apex. It projected a plateau is next as a threeday average of hospitalizations and intensive care admissions are slowly dropping. And the city of los angeles has ordered all City Residents to wear Face Covering while shopping at essential businesses. One of the nations most aggressive mask actions. The mayor said he started midnight friday morning, businesses can refuse service to any resident who does not supply with this mandate. In addition, essential business employees will also be required to wear Face Coverings. And employers must cover the cost of purchasing these items. The move comes as the l. A. County Health Director is calling for even stricter stayathome orders this week telling residents if you have enough supplies in your home stay inside and do not leave. And speaking on msnbc last night, governor gavin newsom has he has secured 2 Million Masks for california and other states. And if the nation fails to protect american citizens during the coronavirus outbreak, hes up to the task making a pledge to keep everybody safe. Theres been great coordination. Especially over the last little while. Weve given him a lot of equipment, a lot of ventilators, a lot of equipment of all types. And i will protect you if your governor fails, if you have a governor thats failing, were going to protect you. But the governors are working well with us over the last period of time. All right. Jointing me once again, White House Reporter for politico gabby orr. Gabby, good to see you once again. The president vowing to protect americans if governors do not do enough to stop the spread of the coronavirus. We want known for a long time governors have wanted the president and the administration to step in repeatedly in their state. Are we looking at action from a National Level at this point . Thats a great question, yasmin. I know theres a lot of discourse happening inside the administration about what President Trump can do, either through executive order. Or just through his power as president. In order to protect americans. One of the things on the table that dr. Anthony fauci has talked about at a lot of these Daily Press Briefings that were seeing is some type of National Order or national curb. Of course, the big question is does President Trump have the Constitutional Authority to actually do Something Like that. Does he need Congress Approval or something that he can do during executive action. And those questions have been brought to the white House Counsel and people advising the president and by the Coronavirus Task force. I also know you that have a new story out this morning, gabby, about how evangelicals who support the president are pushing him now to punish china. What more do you have on this . Yeah. Its a really interesting situation where the president is, you know, has this relationship with evangelical voters that has been strong throughout the course of his presidency. In very rare instances have we seen the break with the president. The pullout of syria being one of the only examples. And now were seeing a growing ire of voices on the political right who really do want President Trump to take more aggressive actions to hold china accountable for what they view as a coverup of the outbreak of the coronavirus in the Hubei Province in wuhan last january. Hes facing challenge by the allies to hold china responsible. Whether thats coordinating an International Investigation into chinas practices and the way they handled the spiral outbreak, or whether its issuing new sanctions against china. All of this is being discussed by a lot of the president s closest allies. Great reporting there, gabby orr for us. Thank you, gabby. Great seeing you this morning. Lets head across the pond now. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson spent the second night in the intensive care unit. Hes being, quote, closely monitoring. Officials say johnson is receiving standard oxygen treatment and was breathing without any ventilator assistance. Johnson was admitted to the hospital late sunday after suffering coronavirus symptoms for more than ten days. His battle with the deadly virus has shaken the nation as the uk is now in its third week of lockdown. Experts say this will be the deadliest phase of the nations coronavirus which has already taken the lives of over 6,000 people there. Joining us from outside the hospital where the Prime Minister is being treated, nbc correspondent chatman bell. Chatman, ill start with you, Boris Johnson spending his second night in the icu. What is his condition as of now . Reporter well, yasmin, were expecting an update later today, however, we havent heard anything later this morning, but we do know he spent the second night in intensive care. Hes in there for close monitoring, his medical team thought it would make sense for him to remain there. And importantly, even though hes receiving standard type of treatment, hes not on any mechanical ventilator. Hes breathing on his own. The foreign secretary rand who has been deputized said hes a leader. Theres been outpouring of response from the royal family and the queen. We understand from downing street that Boris Johnson, while hes in the hospital, will not be having his weekly audience with the queen. He was doing that by phone to practice social distancing before going in the hospital, though, they say, he remains Prime Minister. The queen releasing a statement yesterday that she sent a message to mr. Johnsons family and his pregnant fiancee wishing he has a speedy recovery. Saying he is in their thought, this message echoed from leaders around the world but were expecting to hear about his current status today. And the queen giving quite an address over the weekend as well. Kyle, scientists are saying that the uk is about to see the deadliest days yet. What new measures, if any, is the country taking to fight the spread . Reporter well, the country is where it was a week ago, where it was literally three weeks ago with this sort of lockdown measures. Watching the morning news programs, this morning, the mayor of london saying that 14 transport workers have skuuccumd to the virus. Urging people if they dont need to be on public transport that its essential that they not do so. I think a lot of people here as we all sort of in this country wait to hear about the Prime Minister, and so many people identifying with the Prime Minister, of course, because hes in the same situation as everybody else are discussing whether or not there should be harsher measures. This all really started this debate about harsher measures in the uk, over a month ago, when there was some discussion about what is called herd immunity. The government saying that if many people were contracting the virus, that in the long run that could actually help the country. The problem with that is, medical officials had sort of said, look, is this much more deadly than the flu. This is not the standard flu. And the government then kind of reversed its stance. A lot of criticism is continuing to this day about whether or not the government put these stringent measures in place fast enough. And important the measures need to go further, yasmin. And just for a moment of levity, cal, we just had a cameo from your son in the background. Dont get mad at him. It was great to see him in the background there. Yeah, i noticed. I wish i could say it didnt throw me but it completely threw me. But there you go, yeah, hes headed to school like so many kids in london. Broadcasting from home. Nbcs chapman bell and caliper perry, thank you. And still ahead, your first look at morning joe is back in a moment. Heres a razor that works differently. The Gillette Skinguard it has a guard between the blades that helps protect skin. The Gillette Skinguard. 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Because yesterday we did not beat the overall number we had from new cases that we had from saturday. That number holds at 35,000. We came close, just below it, but we didnt top it. Right now at 400,000. The growth rate at 8 . Here holding at that level. What that means, every seven or eight days well double that number. From a week from now, 800,000. Remember, the fatality rate is 4 . 4 of 800,000 will be 32,000 americans. If the math implies thats how many will get up to that number. Yesterday, we had 10,000 new cases in new york city. New jersey had 3,000. The areas that really added was georgia, pennsylvania, michigan, even california came in with one of the bigger numbers yesterday. So we still have a lot of new cases being added. Even at this higher number, this plateau, its not like its going down get. This shows the steps day by day. You notice the tallest part there on saturday. A dip on sunday. Always a lag on sunday with the report. And monday and tuesday, were very similar. You can kind of see that plateau. We want to see all of the steps level out. Were not going up the steps were kind of walking on a flat and eventually we want those to go down. On the weather front, i mentioned earlier, a day for storms, 43 million americans severe Severe Weather from st. Louis to atlanta. It will start late this evening and go into the Early Morning hours. As far as areas like washington, d. C. , we did see storms earlier. New york will see improving weather. I want to give the sneak peek. A lot of rain in the country for saturday. Then for Easter Sunday, were going to watch strong storms and torrential rains in the southeast. Not exactly what you want to do when youre locked inside trying to do social distancing and, yes, even some snow on the back side of that storm. A big Easter Sunday storm. People wont be traveling bit you want the kids to get outside, at least in your own yard. Thank you, bill. Yes, important to note that. Thank you, bill. Still ahead, while President Trump endorses the drug hydroxychloroquine one leading cardiologist is raising the alarm. That warning is next. Ning is net ning is net go straight till the morning look like we wont wait, were taking everything we wanted we can do it all strength, no sweat but when allergies and congestion strike, take allegrad. A nondrowsy antihistamine plus a powerful decongestant. So you can always say yes to putting your true colors on display. Say yes to allegrad. A woman last night, i watched her on one of the shows, good show, laura. And she was she thought she was dead. A representative from michigan. She was just in horrible shape for 12 days, 14 days. She thought she was dead. Now, is this a democrat representative, a person that, you know, perhaps wouldnt be voting for me. She asked her husband, she said, please go out. Im not going to make it you have to hear her story. Please go out and get it. He went at 10 00 in the evening, he got now, you know, i wont stay works like this at all, four hours later, she awoke and she said, i feel better. The way she told the story was beautiful. I asked my husband to go and get it, he got it. She is now okay. I mean, she was interviewed last night on television. And she thanked me. There are many of those stories. And i say, try it. Okay, please. If newer trouble, if youre going to die and youre i mean, youre not going to die from this pill. So while the president yesterday continued to tout the potential benefits of hydroxychloroquine and the u. S. Scales up purchase and use of the drug to treat coronavirus patients, a leading mayo clinic card yol list cardiologist is sounding a warning. Anyone needs to look at its potential side effects. 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Just do it already one more time yeah. Joining us from washington with a look at axios a. M. , cofounder and ceo of axios, jim vandehei. Good morning to you. Talk to us about axios one big thing today. Were looking at whats happening in my home state of wisconsin with the election there yesterday where you had this extraordinary sort of 24 to 48 hours where you had the governor saying lets extend the absentee Voting Rights of the residents because of the health scare and because people were quarantined. You then had the conservative state Supreme Court say you cant do that and the national Supreme Court validate that. And the reason that it matters, it doesnt just matter to wisconsin. I think youre going to see this as a huge niissue in 2020 as yo are in the runup to the election. You have so many states that are moving to have mailin voting. We dont know what the fall is going to be like. We dont know if theres going to be a resurgence of the virus and if people are going to have a hard time getting out like they did yesterday in wisconsin to vote in a way that isnt putting their own health at miskmis risk. This is happening where were seeing on both sides court cases challenging aspects of voting. We saw a Record Number last time and well see a Record Number this time around. Lets also talk about the firing of the Inspector Generals. President this week removing one Inspector General, attacking another. How concerned should the public be, jim, about this . Most people probably arent that familiar with what Inspector Generals do. Theyre there, theyre supposed to be as nonpartisan as possible as watchdogs to make sure money is being spent and programs are being implemented the way theyre supposed to be. Theres no doubt that a purge by the president that he calls the deep state that he feels are not loyal to him. One of the things we keep hearing from people that are talking to the white house, almost the first question thats being asked is did you vote for President Trump . They dont want people who are not loyal to him. And republicans will say, well thats any administration does that, everybody wants to have loyalists around them. I cant think of one thats been this blatant about it where theyre trying systemically get rid of anyone who the president has privately called snakes, people that they cannot trust, people that might have voted for democrats in the past. People that might have been never trumpers. The reason it matters, ultimately, we just approved 2 trillion in spending. You want to make sure that companies and individuals applying for that money deserve it, that its being administered the proper way. Theres a lot of people out there that are hucksters. Theres a lot of fraud when it comes do the federal government. You want partisan people in those places so that that money is spent wisely. Were probably going to have another stimulus in the next couple of months. You might have three, 4 trillion going out the door. You dont want 5 or 10 of that being misdirected for political reasons or maintenance reasons. You want these things to be administered as professionally as humanly possible. But were in this era where everything is hyper bipartisan and you have a president who he does not want anybody who he doesnt consider a loyalist by his side working for him, working under him. Lets also quickly talk here about the coronavirus. Only essential workers at that point needing public transportation. Are the subways and the bus systems across the country, jim, are they still running . And can they actually even afford to . Some are, but theyre really getting whacked. If you dont live in a place that has Public Transit it doesnt matter. But if youre in a big city, nobody really wants to be on Public Transit right now, you dant want to dont want to be that close to somebody else. It requires funding, where budgets are crushed more than ever. And then think about your own life where things roll back to some sense of normality in june, july, are you going to want to get on a packed bus or subway . It often taikes many years like 9 11, where you have ridership get back to where it was. I think every big city thats been hit by the coronavirus is going to be feeling the budget crunch for a long time to come. We talk about it at the federal level, but a lot of these states, look what new yorks having to do. Look whats happening in new orleans, detroit, l. A. , seattle, any place thats hit by it, youre building hospitals and trying to keep your economy propped up as best you can and theres going to be a big bill for that. And Public Transit is going to be crushed by it. Yeah, what will be the new normal is the big question. Jim vandehei, thank you. Well see you again on morning joe in a bit. Thank you. Well also be ridieading axi a. M. In a little bit. You can get it at signup. Axios. Com. Morning joe starts right now. They gave us the ppe, its mandatory to wear it. So we are here today making sure we do everything safely. I think its a set of meant to the testament to the people who thought about this election. They worked really hard to make sure everyone who is here, people who are coming in in their cars everybody is here safe. They have very minimal exposure. Theres less exposure here than if you want to the grocery store. You can come to a polling place and do it safely. You have the ability to do curbside voting like theyre doing here even if its in a different municipality with driveup voting. You can request the person come out, theyll deliver you a ballot and check your i. D. You are incredibly safe to go out. What a clown. That actually is the republican speaker of the wisconsin state assembly