The woods, living in a hole im going to have to hold it there, gentlemen, citing breaking news and thank god the families can breathe relief in that area tonight. Clint and jim, thank you both. Thanks for watching. Im al sharpton. Stay with msnbc for coverage. Hardball starts right now. Going to the mattresses. Lets play hardball. Good evening, im Chris Matthews up in boston. The republicans are all of a sudden going at each other like rats in a hot tub. Governor christie fighting with anyone in sight. Acting exactly like a governor whod stick his Lieutenant Governor on a holdout mayor,
the bridgegate guy. Ted cruz is attacking jeb bush, who is now doing what he wants to do in 2016. Go oneonone with Hillary Clinton. You got to love this stuff. Two years ahead of an election, and theyre all out there brawling already. Rnc chair for a while and editor at large for salon. Lets start with christie. On the second anniversary of hurricane sandy, he unloaded on a man for testing his handling of the recovery efforts. We showed part of the exchange yesterday. Heres more of it. Listen, you all know me. So if were going to get into a debate here today, its going to get very interesting and very fun, so, yeah, i understand. So, ill be more than happy to have a debate with you, any time you like, guy, because somebody like you doesnt know a damn thing about what youre talking about, except to stand up and show off when the cameras are here. Ive been here when the cameras arent here, buddy, and done the
work. I was here when the cameras werent here and did the work. So glad you had your day to show off, but were the ones who are here to actually do the work. Turn around and get your 15 minutes of fame, and then maybe take your jacket off, roll of your sleeves and do something for the people of this state. [ cheers and applause ] so well see. Now, listen everybody what we [ inaudible ] and theres been 23 months since then when all youve been doing is flapping your mouth and not doing anything. You want to have the conversation later, im happy to have it. But until that time, sit down and shut up. [ cheers and applause ] yeah, any time you like,
bud buddy. Any time you like. Its wonderful. Absolutely. Ill tell you, theres about a thousand things ill do tonight. Going to dinner with you is about number 1,001. What do you make of that . Thats unusual for a guy auditioning to be president. This is what he thinks people right. I watch that and he thinks that his crowd, his people love that. Hes thinking about those debate audiences who cheered when talking about somebody dying without insurance. Hes thinking of that rabid audience that likes to see people bullied and shut down. The day before he said to the Public Health nurse, who he was also bullying, hey, i dont care if you sue me, get in line, im used to it. This is the persona he thinks may win the republican base. Temperamentally, hes conservative enough, hes a big bully and he was having a good time there. Its not something i want in a president , but there are people who like it. Are there people in your republican world that will like this sort of streetcorner behavior . Yeah, i think there will be a place for it. But i think a more broad audience of republicans, it probably would wear a little thin after a bit. And i think it probably has in some respects. Republicans that ive heard from, who commented on this, you know, its not been, wow, you go get them. Its been, like, really . Telling the guy lets talk about it and move on. Christie, thats his brand, i think joan is right. Its part of the public persona that he projects out there that has a resonance with a Certain Group of people, even among democrats and independents. But when youre talking about president ial temper, its a different quality set theyre looking for and i think christie is going to have to find that balance. Because doing this in the middle
of a president ial campaign would fall very, very flat. Yeah. It doesnt seem to be the perfect audition for somebody to end washington dysfunction. Anyway, today he made no apologies for his sit down and shut up behavior. Lets watch him today. If someones going to stand up and i ignore them for a while and they continue to be rude and talk over me and other people, then im going to engage. And thats what the people of new jersey and people in the country have some respect for me. I dont look forward to doing that stuff, but i dont shrink away from it either. Its just another day at the ranch. Rancho christie. Im trying to figure out how he put together the public christie with a sliver of this bullying, but its sort of acceptable to some people who grew up in the east coast, i think. And then what may be behind it. After seeing him in action yesterday, who doesnt think that gives you a vivid picture of what he was like when he told his Lieutenant Governor to go strong arm the hoboken mayor to
get that Waterfront Development approved or she wasnt going to get any money. That guy talks like the kind of guy who would say, put the pressure on this woman. Lets look back and how the mayor described that encounter which she said came at the orders, according to order, the Lieutenant Governor was told to go put the pressure on her, the strong arm on her. Lets watch it. The bottom line is, she came and she made a direct threat to me. She came, when the Lieutenant Governor comes, pulls you aside in a parking lot and says that these two things are connected, i know it shouldnt be, but they are, and if you tell anyone, ill deny it. She felt guilty about saying it, she knows its wrong, but thats what theyre trying to do. Can you be a verbal bully, a mouthy guy, and then at the same time, not look like youre guilty of the charges made against you . In the bridgegate case and all
aspects. I separate the one from the other. I separate yesterdays incidents from the bridgegate thing, because that has consequences. The bridgegate. That had an impact on people, on the economy, and a bunch of other things. This was an exchange between a reporter, between a former councilman and the governor. I separate the two. But the overarching picture of just the way christie tends to engage with people who disagree with him, i think thats something that the American People are going to pay a lot more close attention to as we go closer to these things. Whats the difference between he shouted that guy down, what we just saw, and the way the mayor of hoboken said he treated her . Because the mayor was talking about a conversation she had with the Lieutenant Governor, not the governor. Thats my point. But the Lieutenant Governor said he talked to me last night
and i know it shouldnt be this way, but again, chris, i get the dots youre trying to connect, but its not the same thing as the governor going to the mayor of hoboken and having that conversation. I dont see the difference. Of course you dont. We have one on video and the other one we dont. But mayor zimmers complaints become very believable. The bridgegate was very believable because we had the context of this guy who seems largely out of control sometimes and very willing to throw his weight around figatively, i mean. So it resonated, immediately. You have the picture of him up there making fun of reporters asking about the lane closures, saying i was the guy moving around the cones, you idiots, like how dare you ask me questions. He says in the second clip, chris, i dont really enjoy this. Thats not true. His staff follows him around. Theyre the ones for the most part who are uploading these confrontations on youtube. This is a persona hes carefully cultivated and then he got a little shy about it, when it seemed to dove tail so naturally with the bridgegate allegations. You only get one reputation and the one hes building is the one on camera. And it will intrude on how we see him. Lets move to another guy. Frank mankiewicz, i went to his funeral. He said always Pay Attention to what a politician says after they use the word but. So now lets watch ted cruz in action earlier today on cnbc. Jeb has not declared his candida candidacy. I like him. Ill let him decide if hes running, but i will say this. We need to learn from history. We need to look to history, what works and what doesnt. One thing is clear, that if republicans run another candidate in the mold of a bob dole, or a john mccain, or a
mitt romney, let me be clear, all three of those are good, honorable, decent men, patriots. But if we run another candidate in the mold of a bob dale, or john mccain or mitt romney, well end up with the same result. Millions of people will stay home on election day. If we run another candidate like that, Hillary Clinton will be the next president. What do you make of that after the word but. He said the nice flowery stuff, then says but this guys a loser. Eisenhower, nixon, reagan, lets face it, he doesnt show his far right face when he was running. W. Won. George sr won. This idea you only win with farout rightwingers, when have you been victorious with a hard rightwinger . Im going to do what you dont expect me to do. Im going to applaud ted cruz
for what he said. And heres why. Let me tell you why. Because ive said for over two years now the gop, to deal with this tension that exists within the party, go ahead and nominate the most conservative person you can find. Because every election cycle, we go through the same stuff where they look back and they point a finger at bob dole, they point a finger at mitt romney, et cetera, as if they werent conservative enough. Mitt romney was a conservative governor. And you want him to lose . This is not about winning or losing at this point. This is about this is about [ all speak at once ] chris, this is about making a conservative case with the conservative nominee, as defined by those individuals to the American People and let the chips fall where they may with the American People. Thats the only way you get past this craziness, after every cycle where we sit back and we tear down our nominee. And it really reminds me, there are people on the left i dont like to do that on the right and left. But there are people on the left
who believe all we need to do is run somebody to the left of Elizabeth Warren. State our principles more and more clearly and be more radical. And even though i share some of those beliefs, i dont believe thats a winning message. That is what the tea party is about. They truly believe that the problem was these people were too moderate and all they have to do, theres a silent majority there waiting for somebody like ted cruz. Im sure ted cruz thinks its ted cruz. I disagree with him, i think the three of us disagree with him. But it would be entertaining to see him have a shot at it. He would lose. Anyway, rand paul is picking a fight with his entire party. This is what he said while stumping in michigan yesterday. Quote, remember Dominos Pizza . They admitted, hey, our pizza crust sucks. The Republican Party brand sucks, so people dont want to be a republican, and so for 80 years, African Americans have had nothing to do with republicans. Why . Because of the perception. The problem s the perception is that no one in the Republican Party cares. Were also fighting 40 years of us doing a crappy job of republicans not trying at all for 40 years. So its a lot of overcoming. Hes obviously a very intent guy with a lot of philosophical reading behind him. He sounds like a 14yearold. What is all this language about, crapping this and crapping that, and pizza crust, whats his point . Again, im going to go there. I applaud him. And ill tell you why. Because what youre seeing was what i hope will become the beginning of a similar soldier moment that needs to happen within the gop. The way we tend to put people in boxes, we got to do minority outreach. No just talk to voters. This is not a complicated task. And so i think what rand paul is beginning to do is just trying to make this move in a direction that no one else right now in the party is moving in, in which
hes going to have a different kind of conversation. So i think the language in all that notwithstanding, i think its going to be interesting to watch how he challenges those individuals next to him on the stage in the next 18 months or so, to have this kind of conversation. And i think hes trying to be the one who leads and ultimately finishes it. Why doesnt he then come out against the Voter Suppression efforts . I was go to say that. Again, chris, this is a process. In politics in the 21st century, we evolve. This is a process hes going to go through. You dont just do it overnight. You just dont come out and take up the position right away. You work your way into that conversation. So lets see where he is in three, five, six months when it comes to issues like that. By your reference point, the republican is in the cromagnon non state right now. And theyll reach homosapien in what century . When will they reach full
development . We are at full development. The question is, we have two things go on. One is this internal struggle as to what conservativism is right now, what it means and how we talk about that to people. The next is whos going to be that leader that puts that package together for the American People . I think rand pauls real target is not so much African Americans, although i applaud his lip service to that. I think its young people. What about the language with the sucks and the dominos and the crappy. Hes trying to reach young people. Young people are a better target for the Republican Party than African Americans. But a lot of them dont like the demonization of African Americans and they dont like the racism. So rand paul may not make inroads with African Americans in the next cycle. I disagree with that. I want to make one last reference to dominos, which is the prolife pizza. I just want to say, dominos
comes in 30 minutes. When is the new Republican Party arriving . [ laughter ] anyway its going to be longer than that. I tried to bring it. That genius overwhelmed you. Anyway, well talk next about a republican sweep maybe. Races are tight, but the democrats are calling in the cavalry. The clintons are coming in to fight to stop the sweep. Plus, the governors races. From pennsylvania to florida to wisconsin, michigan, all kinds of states. Anyway, this is hardball, the place for politics. Breaking news, state police in pennsylvania have confirmed they have captured accused cop killer eric frein. Frein has been on the run since september 12th, when two Pennsylvania State troopers were shot outside a State Police Barracks in Blooming Grove in the northeastern part of that state. One of those troopers was killed. Frein, who is described as a survivalist eluded police in the mountains for 48 days. A source tells nbc news frein was caught in a hangar at the pocono Mountain Airport in an area that was not open to the public. Former fbi profiler Clint Van Zandt joins us, along with jim cavanaugh. Clint, what does where he was captured tell you . Well, a number of things. Number one, weve heard for these last almost two months that hes a survivalist, that he can hide out in the woods under any conditions. And yet it appears that a team of deputy u. S. Marshalls on a
routine sweep, were able to find him in this unused, or abandoned indoor facility. So what it says to us, Law Enforcement has really been the last 48 days, looking for him, all of the preplanned issues of food and equipment and tents and hiding spots, by their actions, they were able to take all of those away from him. Reducing him to try to find an abandoned building to hide out in, to get away from the cold, and thats where they got him without firing a shot. He surrendered his weapon and gave up. So you may think he was a really bad guy to kill a state trooper and shoot another out of ambush. But when he was faced with regular Law Enforcement officers face to face, he did what so many will do, laid down his weapon and surrendered. Now its up to the criminal justice to deal with him for the
trial. Jim cavanaugh, that he gave himself up in the end, what does that tell you . Well, he was spent. He was spent, like clint said. Spent 45 days on the run. These guys, when they go off into the mountains, we all think theyre Jeremiah Johnson and living offe ing off the land. Its not true. Hes in a hangar at the pocono airport. Hes not as rugged as purported to be. He did good for 45 days, but hes probably exhausted, and dehydrated and hasnt been eating well. He gave up. Im glad he gave up. Well fint out that his ideology was that of a loser, a violent antigovernment guy. Were going to be disappointed when we find out all of the computer stuff that the state troopers have already uncovered about him, how hes probably, you know, living in this antigovernment, antipolice ideology that destroys so many
people. And what does he do . He gives a lot of pain to trooper dixons family, trooper douglass family. But he basically destroys his own life and his own family. Theres no cause that really works. Its just sort of a crack pot ideology that these guys get sucked into. Its not that distant, really, from what we see from Even International terrorism. Its sort of a crazy thinking that killing someone, killing some innocent person is going to raise some cause. I think were going to see well be disappointed. Hes going to be just a loser and we should forget his name and remember the names of those two troopers. All right, thank you to clint and jim. Well continue to track this story tonight. Now we go back to hardball. Welcome back to hardball. Two states and two women could
hold back a republican sweep come election night. North carolina senator kay hagan and New Hampshire senator Jeanne Shaheen. In the New Hampshire senate race, a new poll shows shaheen leading republican challenger by a lot. All of a sudden 5042 among likely voters. Down in North Carolina, where we were recently, the senate race, the incumbent, kay hagan is four points ahead, not enough there to guarantee anything against republican thom tillis. Its 4541. Hagans maintained a slim but steady lead over tillis. Polls show that lead widening a bit right now. Joining me now robert costa and susan page. Put these two races in context. Not talking about whether its going to decide who controls the senate. But its interesting these two developments. It looks like a good lead for shaheen up in New Hampshire where were going tomorrow morning and where we were recently in nashl and the fact
that the clintons are jumping into these races. Put it together. Shaheen is in a stronger position than a lot of democrats because she democrats in as a u. S. Senator and former governor. Shes been in politics for three decades. And obamas popularity in New Hampshire is pretty bad. Its in the 30s, low 40s sometimes. Shes been able to eclipse that and still run a strong campaign. Down in North Carolina, kay hagan has been able to tag thom tillis the republican with all the conservative things that have happened in that state legisla legislature, dragged tillis down and kept her competitive. Can you predict the trajectories . That theyre all over the place. Is shaheen in a more solid position and hagan is on the rise . One reason republicans thought they had a shot at New Hampshire, scott brown, when he won in massachusetts in 2010, he ran hard as a hawk, he ran on
national security, he was picking up momentum when isis was a key campaign issue. When isis started to fade, shaheen started to come back. I like that. What do you think of that, susan . For some reason our country has been so compelled, in its interest about selfprotection here at home with ebola, that the focus on the beheadings and stuff over there in the levant, if you will, has really dropped off the screen. And its so well said, i think, by robert, that topics drive everything. If the topic is Foreign Policy and security, youre hawkish. You may go with the republican. But if its domestic, it gets murkier. If we look at these two races, theyll get attention because well know the results possibly early on election night. Two states that close early. But in democrats manage to hold both of those seats, all that tells you is that democrats have avoided catastrophe. It doesnt tell you theyll hold the senate. Democrats certainly are not republicans are certainly not counting on New Hampshire. That would be a big upset if
Jeanne Shaheen loses. And if kay hagan manages to hold in North Carolina, there are multiple other paths for republicans to take to get to majority. So lets not overstate what it means. But if they both win, it means democrats are probably not looking at the kind of blowout that would be their worst nightmare. But thats the way i set it up. I didnt say it would be decisive at all to the majority rule. I know youre right, but i said it before you did. I very rarely tell you anything that you do not know. That cannot be our standard. Youre so sarcastic. What im arguing, a sweep is going to look like a sweep. If this is one of those bloody nights, where you get people like al franken in trouble, and mark warner in a closer race, do you think thats possible . Might see a horrendous night . No. You think those people are
safe . I think those are safe. Has it been a surprise shaheen has been inasmuch trouble as shes been. We could have a surprise in kansas or in georgia Michelle Nunn could come through. There could be surprises. I think what were looking at, is a pretty good republican night where they take back the senate like they thought they were going to do. It looks to me like they probably get over the finish line this time. I think so too. Anyway, kay hagan and Jeanne Shaheen will be joined by bill and Hillary Clinton. Bill clinton will campaign in raleigh. And Hillary Clinton will make a trip to New Hampshire to campaign for shaheen and maggie hassan. What do you make of that . Are they timing this brilliantly to get a piece of the action . Or are they just going to help
the people at the closest races . Ive been speaking with Top Democrats and they think the clintons really have an effect in a lot of close races and not in the way you think. When you think about the clintons coming in, you think its about the urban vote, not so fast. They help in the suburbs. Theyre trying to get the obama suburban voters back to the polls. Im sure thats a big message to report on as we get closer to 2016. Democrats have opportunities for real good news in the governors races. Theyre all over the place. In pennsylvania, tom corbetts going down, the first governor to be defeated in modern times for a number of reasons there. Rick scott could lose in florida. Still very close with charlie crist, who last held the governors job as a republican. Crist leads by three in the most recent poll. Sam brownback is trailing in kansas to his democratic challenger by three points. And up in maine, paul lepage is tied with mike mish odd at 42. Hard to find a partern except maybe generally people dont like incumbents. Heres one thing i noticed. Four years ago was a great year to be running as a republican for governor. Lots of tea party support. Some of these governors got in four years ago when they might not have gotten in at another time. That was certainly true in florida. Now theyve got to run in a different climate. A climb thats less friendly. They have records to run on. So while it looks like a good night for republicans in the senate. Not such a good night for republicans as governor. Although there are some democratic governors in trouble too in colorado and connecticut. But more of them on the republican side are looking pretty chancy. Whats the pattern . In connecticut, you had a tax
increase. I know connecticut is very tax averse. Is that it . I think americans are predy fed up with politics and politicians. They dont think the economy is looking good for them, whatever the experts say has happened with the recovery and thats hurting governors wherever they are. Robert, are the democrats going to point to some victories when president obama comes out and makes a statement . Will he claim this victories . I think so. The big question is how big of a sweep will there be in the gubernatorial races. Can they take out a 2016 contender in scott walker . Can mary burke eke out a victory . Thats my question. I know who will be happen if scott walker goes down. Thats my colleague ed schultz. Chris christie may be pretty happy too. Hes in the ondeck circle waiting to move up if he wins. Thank you, robert. Susan, thank you for coming on. And youre as smart as i am, any day of the week. Youre just being cute with me. Tomorrow well have a report on how it looks from New Hampshire. Up next, weve seen politicians get folkscy, but president obama has an unusual affinity for that fine word itself. This is hardball, the place for politics. Goal is to grow. Gotta get greater growth. I just talked to ups. They got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. Like smart pick ups. Theyll only show up when you print a label and its automatic. We save time and money. Time . Money . Time and money. Awesome. Awesome awesome awesome awesome all awesome i love logistics. I take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. Because it gives me. Zero heartburn prilosec otc. The number 1 doctorrecommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. One pill each morning. 24 hours. Zero heartburn. And cialis for daily use helps you be Ready Anytime the moment is right. Cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved to treat symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently. Tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. Do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. Do not drink alcohol in excess. Side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. To avoid long term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. If you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any allergic reactions like rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. Ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30tablet trial. Ha welcome back to hardball. Time now for the side show. Heres David Letterman on the word out there that jeb bush is readying to run for the white house. Heres the late show. Jeb bush is talking about running for president. Wow, that would be the third member of the bush family to be president if he wins. We have for you now a jeb bush update. Take a look at this. Former republican governor jeb bush is considering a run for president and told the Associated Press that his mother, the former first lady, who once said that there had been enough bushes in the white house was now neutral, trending in a different direction. Keep us posted on what mommy thinks, jeb. A message from sar cast corp. Next up, mccormick, independent candidate for governor from massachusetts, his latest ad shows what always politicians need to show audacity. It always seemed impossible until it is done. Since moving to boston with 800 in his pocket Jeff Mccormick helped build successful companies, creating thousands of jobs. Now, running for governor, hes the only candidate willing to fight. Sometimes an opportunity for change is possible. Jeff mccormick, the greatest opportunity there is. I said audacity, i cant be sure, but that sounded an awful lot like Morgan Freeman voicing that ad. New data reveals that president obama likes to say the word folks a lot. The president has used that word at least 348 times during his news conferences. Heres a 2012 white house briefing. But also, asks for additional revenue from folks like me, from folks in the top 1 or 2 , to make sure that folks who can least afford it arent suddenly bearing the burden. I guess thats not all, folks. Anyway, up next, ralph nader slams Hillary Clinton, calling her a corporatist and a militaryist. A menace to the country. He warned democrats not to korinate her 2016. We have a hot debate about nader and Hillary Clinton coming up in our roundtable. Youre watching it. Hardball, the place for politics. Synchrony Financial Partners with over two hundred thousand businesses, from fashion retailers to healthcare providers,
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you for joining us. As we showed you earlier on cnbc today, ted cruz was asked, if jeb bush was too moderate to run for the white house. Lets watch. Jeb has not declared his candidacy, im a fan of jep bushs. Im going to let him decide if hes running first. And let the voters make a decision. But i will say this. We need to learn from history. We need to look to history and what works and what doesnt. The one thing thats clear, is that if republicans run another candidate in the mold of a bob dole or a john mccain or mitt romney, let me be clear, all three of those are good, honorable men, decent men, patriots. But if we run another candidate in the mold of bob dole, or john mccain, or mitt romney, well end up with the same result, which is millions of people will stay home on election day, which is what happened for all three of them. If we run another candidate like that, Hillary Clinton will be
the next president. You know, liz, way back in 1952, thats the speech Everett Dirkson made bedrofore eisenhow was nominated and went on to victory. I dont know if its right or not. Reagan became more cent rift as he ran. And certainly w. Winning and george bush sr winning. The moderates dont always lose. Whats his motive for saying Something Like that . I think ted cruz, his motive is that he wants to fire up the base and tell them something they would very much like to hear, and something that is going to inspire them to donate money to his committee. But the reason mccain and romney lost is not because they were moderate. There were specific reasons why mccain lost, that were to do with the direction the country was going in, months before we
ever got into 2008. And as far as romney is concerned, the reality is, romney didnt lose because he was moderate, he lost because he was a terrible candidate. He was too moderate for my tastes on Economic Policy topics, but the reason people didnt want to vote for him wasnt because of that. It was a whole host of other things. So i think ted cruz, when he says thats one thing thats certain, hes completely incorrect. Its one thing thats not certain. Looking across the aisle, who do you fear most as a challenger to the democratic nominee, whether its hillary or not, center right or hard right . You would fear someone who is center right. The extremes never win. They dont win if theyre hard left. They dont win if theyre hard right. Now, they may campaign, and we all know this, in the primaries, because theyre going after a certain part of the base to make sure that they especially if there are four or five
candidates, chris. They have to win. But the reality is, when it comes to the general election, we see it in the debate, we see it in the appearance, they all move right back to the center. Everybody has done that because it is the center that tends to govern, and its the center that wins elections. And so, you know, ted cruz, you know, i agree with the republican to my left here. Its just a way to try to rally the base early. Okay, lets talk about the other side. Good for the goose, good for the gander. Ralph nader had strong words the other day about Hillary Clinton when he was asked about her. He warned democrats not to coronate her in 2016. Heres ralph. Well, hillary is a corporatist and a militarist. Do we want another one of those . She thinks obama is too weak. He doesnt kill enough people overseas. So shes a menace to the United States of america. Manu, take over for rob nader, because every progressive i know is so mad at him over florida. [ laughter ] i have another theory about it. He pulled al gore to the left on the corporate issues and erks posed a lot of the middle to w. And thats how w. Got close enough to grab it in the supreme court. Your thoughts . Ralph nader represents a minority on the left. But he speaks to the populist economic message that folks on the left feel like not only obamas had missed during his time in office, but also hillary and the clintons. They dont rail against the big banks the way Elizabeth Warren does, or the way Bernie Sanders does. Thats something hillary will have to reckon with. Shell have to finetune her economic message and speak to the base at the moment that want to hear more from their politicians. Youve seen hillary try to
finetune that message in recent weeks, going into battleground states. She stumbled when she talked about businesses and whether they create jobs. But thats something shell have to deal with when she runs, because folks in her party want to hear her talk about that. I would say shes at least two notches to the right of obama on Foreign Policy, security issues, shes much more hawkish than he is. I think i know that. On the domestic side, i think shes a notch or two to his rig right with language they use. Theyve sold themselves as moderates. I think its important to distinguish bill from Hillary Clinton. When you look at his political record, versus her record in the senate. There are some fairly major differences there. Thats probably something shes going to want to underline actually if she does run, in the course of the primaries. But bill clinton, i think, is
much more of a cent rift than she is or has shown herself to be. But as far as the war record is concerned, she did have a pretty hawkish record. That being said, somebody whos been critical of president obamas ability to basically go and start wars and continue wars is pretty much all over the map. She was his secretary of state. At the end of the day, im not sure theres as much daylight there as people want to pretend. But lets go back to your original question, and that is ralph nader. And ralph nader is not even in the ballpark. I guess he doesnt have General Motors to kick around anymore. And i like ralph. When i see him, we speak, we talk. But ralph nader, you know, is just, you know, hes saying things to get attention because here we go, its campaign season. And the reality is hes right about this. I dont think she should be coronated. Shes absolutely right, and i dont think she will be. But i also say this about Hillary Clinton. And i heard your show the other day, somebody made a baseball nolg about different kind of pitches. Im going to use a different one, football. Peyton manning. She calls those plays as she sees what the defense is doing. She doesnt have a problem calling the play depending on the audience. Thats what youre supposed to do this early in the campaign. That sounds like bill right there. When cuomo was in the race, he was on the moderate side. The minute cuomo pulled out, he went right into the position and forced songas over to the other side. Thank you, by the way. The roundtable is coming back with a hot one. In the south, the democrats are trying to ignite a bigger African American turnout next tuesday by waving the bloody shirts, thats an old phrase from the civil war, and trayvon
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good, black turnout . I think there is. You look at polling and the president is overwhelming ining popular among that session. But those Democratic Senators have been trying to run away from the president. Thats going to be an issue for them come election day. Youre not going to see the same level of turn out even though democrats have listed millions of millions of dollars. Maybe they can bring out some to the polls. But enough to turn hah la louis arkansas . Yon i dont think thats going to happen. Anyway, thank you. Were up here in boston right now. As i said, whern n we return, l me ficnish with a tribt to the
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from one public event after another on into the night, he did the follow up permly. No problem was too small because tommy menino seemed convinced no person was too small. If they came to him with a problem, it was important enough for them. That meant it was important enough to him. The boston globe took a poll several years back and discovered a majority of the People Living in boston had actually met their mayor personally. Menino was a liberal and marched on the citys gay pride parade. When massachusetts made it legal, he was proud to celebrate the first samesex marriage in the city. In an era when its not so obvious, the citys beloved, long time mayor showed the honor, the joy and the big city love of big time politics. We get ahead of the people who personifies the good the public