Detained some returning fighters from syria. Authorities there say they dismantled imminent terrorist attacks on a grand scale. The suspects had Police Uniforms and radios. They were reportedly planning to kill Police Officers. This comes after a raid on one location led to a gun battle into the death of two militants. Meanwhile, in paris, prosecutors rounded up 12 people who were being questioned about whether they provided edd Logistical Support to the men who carried out the attacks on Charlie Hebdo and the kosher supermarket last week. And in germany, two turkish nationals were arrested accused of recruiting those to go fight in syria. The countrys Intelligence Service has warned of planned attacks against major train stations in berlin and dresden. Also tonight big news out of the Supreme Court. The justices will take up samesex marriage and decide once and for all whether kay couples have the right to marry under the constitution. Well get to that in a moment but we begin with the Terror Threat. Nbc news chief Foreign CorrespondentRichard Engel is in istanbul. He has this report. Reporter what were seeing now is europe rounding up the suspects. In belgium, in germany, these were islamic radicals that the government had been tracking, had phone taps on had surveillance on but just decided after paris that it couldnt wait any longer that there was the real risk of an imminent threat. In fact in belgium, police say that there was a threat that could have taken place or a terrorist attack that could have taken place within hours. And when you look at the equipment that was seized from that home in belgium, automatic rifles explosives Police Uniforms and authorities there believe that these militants would have worn the Police Uniforms in order to get close to fellow or get close to Police Officers posing as fellow Police Officers and carried out a parisstyle shooting attack. So this is a dangerous development. Europe is clearly on edge about it. You saw in paris where for several hours people around the world thought, here we go again. Turns out that that hostage situation was not terrorist related, according to french authorities. But this is what isis and al qaeda but isis in particular have been calling for. This is what they want. They mobilized their people. They put out calls of action after paris telling europeans in particular but also american supporters not necessarily to try and come and join the caliphate, which was their original message, for the last year theyve been saying come and join us come do your islamic duty and join the newly established Islamic State under the caliph ab dar al baghdadi. Now they say, if you cant come here, stay home get a weapon and carry out an attack. Back here in the United States, pb president obama and the Prime Minister of Great BritainDavid Cameron discussed the Terror Threat today. In a press conference president obama was asked about the crackdown. This phenomenon of violent extremism, the ideology the networks, the capacity to recruit young people this has metastasized and it is widespread and it has penetrated communities around the world. I do not consider it an existential threat. This is a problem that causes great heartache and tragedy and destruction, but it is one that ultimately were going to defeat. Meanwhile, Prime Minister cameron warned that combating the problem will take time and patience. We do face a very serious islamist extremist terrorist threat in europe in america, across the world. There is no single simple thing that needs to be done. It means closing down the ungoverned spaces that the terrorist operate in it mean ss this death cult of a narrative thats perverting the religion of islam. It means all of these things and it will be a long, patient and hard struggle. Joining me now michael kay, National Affairs correspondent and senior british officer and rafael pantugi at the Royal United Services institute. Michael, let me start with you. This seems like a very abrupt and dramatic departure from just a week ago, a few days ago we were talking about one of the stories out of paris of those attacks was these were guys that had been under surveillance. The authorities knew who they were and they operated in plain sight leading up to the attacks. Now it seems suddenly a very proactive, preemptive approach. Is this a beginning of a new way of handling this issue . Look with this preactive and preeminent approach you describe, that requires an amount of financing, manpower and resource to take that. Historically you get an incident and the police react to it. People are very risk adverse when it comes to looking at what happened at Charlie Hebdo and having to react to that. But one thing to pick up on here, steve, this isnt anything new. If we go back al qaeda in iraq and al zarqawi and the afghan taliban, theyve been spewing this rhetoric for over ten years but the context is difference in terms of globalization and in terms of the ability for people to travel across the world easily and travel through europe through porous borders in terms of social media, the Internet Access to internet in sort of places which historically havent had that type of infrastructure to be able to do that. And this is what the islamists, the radical terrorists are picking up on in their ability to be able to sort of get that rhetoric across. Going to the intelligence communities theyve been doing this for a long time steve. We just dont hear about it. What we hear about are the raids and the failures. Theyve been working behind the scenes for a decade and trying to ameliorate the threat. Were seeing it froth to the surface a little bit. In terms of what the Intelligence Community has been doing, we shouldnt underestimate the work theyve been doing up to the Charlie Hebdo event and what you see now is a more proactive posture to events that might happen in the future. Richard engel mentioned this in that report a minute ago, but he was talking about how isis has been agitating for attacks like the ones that maybe were being planned here. We have this report of the potential attack being foiled where they had Police Uniforms where you have isis thats calling for militants to go after police to go after military in the west is this a seeming manifestation of that . Well its possible. We dont know the plot yet or the exact nature of whether this was directed or whether this is individuals who sort of saw themselves adhering to the isis ideology and sort of deciding to launch an attack very much under their own steam but in advance of a sort of general message thing they got from the group. Weve seen a number of disruptions taking place in other countries where authorities were trying to target civilian targets or target Security Officials and what seemed to be following isis mode. What we dont know is what were looking at here yet. What we saw disrupted in belgium is a plot in close to mature form. These individual hs sort of obviously determined that they wanted to do some sort of incident wearing uniforms and they got some heavy weaponry. And they were ready to go which is why when the authorities walked in heavily armed, they reacted as they did. The bigger point is this is probably a sort of echo in some ways of what we saw happen in paris. Every time that you have some successful incident like that Security Forces will immediately go back and relook at a whole bunch of investigations that maybe theyve been watching for some time and maybe reprioritize some people because theres a tendency for people to build on success. When you see one other successful incident, others try to leap on to it. But certainly isis has been calling for these sorts of things for some time and people seem to be picking up on it. President obama today pointed to one problem European Countries face. Many of their muslim citizens feel disconnected from society. Contrasted that to the situation here in the United States. The United States has one big advantage in this whole process. Our big advantage is that our muslim populations, they they feel themselves to be americans, and there is this incredible process of immigration and assimilation that is part of our tradition that is probably our greatest strength. There are parts of europe in which thats not the case. And thats probably the greatest danger that europe faces. That idea that muslims are more or less assimilated in the United States, maybe more treated as outcasts in europe, that fosters extremism. Do you agree with the president there . Im not sure i completely do. I mean certainly there are individuals i think within european muslim communities who do obviously feel disenfranchised. This is why theyre drawn to these radical narratives. There are vast sections of britains community who are very british and very european and can feel that and express themselves in that way. What youre dealing with here is a minority that feeds off a narrative of victimization. The reason were seeing the particular problems recently of radicalization and people being drawn to go fight in syria and iraq its in part connected to the fact that this conflict is happening on europes borders. If youre sitting in london and want to go fight in syria and iraq, its easy to get to turkey and come across the border. If youre trying to do that from the United States its a long equation and complicated journey and crossing borders that are heavily watched. What were seeing at the moment and this increased problem within europe is something that could, in fact, be easily explainable as gee ogographygeography. On that subject, on the idea of extremism, on the idea of people who actually commit to this cause, muslims who actually decide that they want to take that call to be militants. Do we have an idea of the scope of this. I think its hundreds that have gone to syria that have been returned to europe. Is today what were seeing in terms of these raids just the tip of the iceberg . Do we have a sense of numbers here at all . Just to give you a sense of the context, steve. If you look at this 330 Million People in america and we reckon around 100 jihadists that have managed to get to syria, if you look at france 66 million and we reckon around 1200 jihadists. If you look at belgium, theres 11 million and 300. If you look at the ratios theyre pretty scary versus the volume in the United States. I want to pick up on one statement that Prime Minister cameron made. This is a multifaceted approach we need to take. One is ungoverned spaces that you rightly hit upon. But we need to create ungoverned ed spaces. There was no post conflict planned. Then we went into libya and made a mess out of that. Thats now an ungoverned space that al sisi is having to deal with. If you look at syria, that has no political road map. Thats an ungoverned space where isis are thriving. So malrequest al shabaab is surviving there because its ungoverned space. Nigeria boko haram. There are large swaths that are ungoverned, mali and north africa. Thats absolutely key. So weve got to look at our Foreign Policy in terms of not only creating these issues but really trying to understand the multifaceted approach across the political, economic and security paradigms when were trying to deal with these ungoverned spaces. Thats key to this as well. Thanks to both of you. Appreciate the im. Coming up Chris Christies taking on the press, scott walker is attacking Hillary Clinton and everyone seems to be against mitt romney. The knives are already out for 2016. Plus what promises to be a historic ruling the Supreme Court will decide whether or not samesex couples have the right to marry. That decision will have huge impact on the race. And president obama got momentum, now hes telling Senate Democrats behind closed doors that hes going to play offense using his veto power to protect his agenda against republicans in congress. And finally joni ernst has a chance to do something so many before her have failed to do make a good First Impression delivering the republican response to president obamas state of the union. Theyre coming. What do i do . You need to catch the 4 10 huh . The Equipment Tracking system will get you to the loading dock. There should be a truck leaving now. I got it. Now jump off the bridge. What . In 3. 2. 1. Are you kidding me . Go. Right on time. 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Look how relaxed i look. You look very relaxed tonight. Welcome back to hardball. Chris christie and everyone else sparring for the nomination for president is shaping up for a heck of a fight. While christie says hes relaxed hes out there fighting with his press corps while popularity continues to decline back home. And scott walker launched a major attack on Hillary Clinton and everyone is trying to knock out mitt romney. Michael steele was the chairman of the Republican National committee and with mother jones. During that local radio interview christie ripped into the local press in new jersey for what he saw was unfair and selfish coverage focusing on a media he held with National Media outlets before last tuesdays state of the state address. As the local papers reported local new jersey media was barred without explanation. Could you find a group of more selfconsumed people . That on a day like that theyre writing about themselves. Do you think the public cares a wit whether they got into a private meeting . And by the way, the other private meetings theyve had with me which theyve had in the last month, they didnt report on that did they . Well they were off the record. Well, you know, they can say when talking about this we had a similar meeting with the governor a month ago, but they didnt, did they . Because that would be fair. God knows we wouldnt want to be that. Listen, if they want to act like children let them act like children. Michael steel, im in the media, i should take offense and everything, but politically, the politics of this doesnt Chris Christie have a point here . Nobody likes the media, nobody sympathizes with the media, this is his bread and butter good politics, no . I dont think so exactly. Yeah, you had a meeting with the press a month ago, but its not the same as meeting with them the day before your state of the state. Thats a very different conversation. And its a very different impact has a very different impact because its about the state. So from my perspective, when you go into these types of things you have the ambitions to grow large and do all of that stuff politically beyond your state. Its always helpful to have a press corps at home thats got your back. In other words, is going to tell the narrative of the good stuff youve done even if they come after you on certain thin sgs, they wont be at odds with you. Christie has enough of the noise to deal with. What do you think the idea was there . Hes got the state of the state address. Hes trying to make a national impression. Hes talked to local press certainly before. But that does seem unusual for a governor to say im only talking to the national people. Ive got to agree with my pal, Michael Steele on this. Liberals excuse me they like when they attack the National Media, msnbc, whatever it is. They dont care if youre attacking the asbury park press. Its ridiculous to think he can score points that way. Plus he has to remember hes still under federal investigation. Who covers that story the most . The local press. So its not just the local press thats going to cover his accomplishments, if there are any, back home theyre also going to be covering this investigation. So its really not wise for him to be alienating them any more than he has to. Why did he do this . I dont think it was strategic political calculation, it was one more example of him showing his true temperament. Keep in mind the first ever Chris Christie viral moment that all conservatives went nuts about four or five years ago, whenever it was, it was a new jersey reporter that asked the question that he went off on. So i want to get to romney because it was a brutal week for mitt romney who addresses the Republican Party later tonight. Rupert murdoch called romney a terrible candidate in a scathing editorial, the wall street journal wrote, if mitt romney is the answer, what is the question . Washington post columnist Jennifer Rubin said that romneys friends need to tell him, quote, we need to find someone who can win and that is not you. Vin webber attacked him for getting into the race. I think his friends need to be honest with him about that. Hes a great man, he would be a great president , but theres not a lot of good precedent for somebody losing the election and coming back four years and becoming the nominee. Governor romney had two increasingly good years after losing the presidency now hes had one pretty bad week. Michael steele do you think mitt romney is hearing this and do you think this is how hes processing it, the idea that i put this out here and this party at least by these Public Comments seems very lukewarm at best . Do you think hes getting that . If he wasnt hearing it at the beginning of the week he was by the time the end of the week rolled around especially as he rolled into california to hear rnc members, these are the leaders of the grassroots activists around the country question his viability, question why hes doing it and really the wall street journal i think, you know that opening line from them if hes the answer whats the question was devastating. But the question is one he has to answer quite honestly. And that is so what are you going to do now differently than what you did four years ago. And thats why youre seeing this tension and people settle on a Chris Christie scott walker, ted cruz or rand paul. They dont need this replay of four years ago. So it seems, david, this is a big moment tonight in san diego. I guess theyre doing it on an aircraft carrier. If youre serious about a political speech go on an aircraft carrier. All those questions are out there. Hes got to give those answers tonight, doesnt he . Well he wont do this with one speech. I mean the message he got this week was how can we think of you fondly if you dont go away . I mean thats really what everyone said to him again and again. One speech is not going to change that. Remember, the end of the campaign, you had many people who were supporters of his saying the problem with his campaign was not anything but the candidate. So one speech aint going to change that either or change the political dynamics. I have a piece out today, steve showing in the last two years hes run a private equity firm with his son thats raised 700 million from dozens of investors and has made probably dozens of investments. Will he release and disclose who those investors are and investments are if he runs again . Hell have all the same sort of issues the second time around. A speech tonight is not going to change that. Michael steele what is the endgame here . Because im thinking just in terms of his legacy. And hes exposed himself so much now where if he backs out now, it looks like this was a guy who was desperate to win the presidency, his party told him, no, go back to the sidelines, thats humiliating. If you stay in the water, you stuck your toe in this much he could go and win it, but potentially you run a third time and lose thats the legacy. Whats the endgame here . The endgame is more the latter than the former. While im not in this fullthroated race to win the presidency theres been enough signs and the formation by activists and certain supporters to get the momentum going in that direction. So i think this is going to be a i think this is as much about that as it is jeb bush. Thats why you see mitt romney now moving more aggressively in this direction because of some of the history between the two families and those two in particular. So there are a whole lot of things here for him to play out, but i think the risks are really great because, unlike 2008 and 2012 you have a different set of potential characters on the stage, and they come to play hard. I dont know if hes ready for that. Steve, i think hes setting himself up for a statement thats going to be one word oops. I dont see how he can continue this way without that humiliation that you mentioned. And im reminded of a great comment. I think congressman moe udall made this the only cure for the president ial bug is formaldehyde. Its really hard not to run if you ran in the past. It was u dpdall who said the people have spoken the bastards. Almost overwhelmingly likely that Hillary Clinton the former secretary of state, is going to be the nominee for the other party. And i think the other big loser on november 4th wasnt just washington and the president , it was Hillary Rodham clinton. She embodies washington. She lives in washington, she worked in washington. You look at everything people dislike about washington she embodies it. What we need is a contrast to that that says we need a fresh, new perspective that says the answers to the ailments of our nation do not come out our nations capital. On walker so much talk about Bush Christie romney now, in that sort of establishment side of the party is there room for walker . Yes, absolutely there is. You heard the predicate of his potential president ial campaign and that is i governed through tough times. The solution we came up with did not come out of washington. They came out of places like wisconsin, ohio, pennsylvania. Thats a very different conversation, one that both mitt romney and jeb bush are going to have difficult times making because theyve not been governors during those tough times. Walker can go to that three elections in four years in blue states. 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For instance Bobby Jindals speech in 2009 was widely panned for being hokey and ineloquent. Just as awkward to watch today as it was six years ago. Good evening and happy mardi gras. Im bobby jindal, governor of louisiana. A year later republicans picked the up and coming governor of virginia to make their official response. Bob mcdonnell. His star was on the rise. Now hes headed to a federal penitentiary for up to two years starting february 9th. There was congresswoman Michele Bachmanns offputting tea party rebuttal to the state of the union in 2011. She managed to overshadow the official response because she was look into the wrong camera during her speech. The most cringe worthy moment was marco rubio in 2013. Midway through it it became obvious that the senator was parched an then came this. In the short time that ive been here in washington nothing has frustrated me more than false choices like the one the president laid out tonight. 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Diving head first into one of the hottest legal battles. The Supreme Court has decided to act following a tidal wave of rulings that shot down bans. They are expected to hear the case in april that will come down when the courts term expires in june. 46 states allow gay people to marry. For more on this Significant Development lets bring in tonights roundtable. An opinion write wer the washington post, sabrina with the Huffington Post and john a strategist. John, let me start with you. This is already a fact on the ground. In 70 of the country, people are living with this in threequarters of the states just a part of everyday life. Now im not a court scholar but seems to me the court is not taking this up now unless theres a pretty clear sign that okay the tide of history is finally reached a point where this is okay for the country. Thing about history here. When loving v. Virginia was decided by the court which made it possible for blacks and whites to marry and knocked down the laws around the country, interracial marriage was legal in, if my numbers are right, 34 state, but 70 of the country opposed interracial marriage. Now look at where we are now depending on your count, 35 or 37 states allow Marriage Equality but about 60 of the cub is in country is in favor of majority equality. The ground is there for the Supreme Court to make this positive decision. Its not that the court is pushing the country into doing something. It would be that the court is following the country. The countrys already there in supporting samesex marriage. Lets look at the politics of this then john we dont know what the court will do but lets say the court goes ahead and says gay marriage should be the law of the land across the country. They would be doing that a year before a major president ial election. Weve never seen a major republican candidate for president running and saying to the country, im okay with gay marriage. Is there a chance that would change in 2016 or is that suicide in the republican primary still . I think youve already seen jeb bush try to change the rhetoric on this. Its an issue that divides the Republican Party and actually the Democratic Party is united and just get it over with and get on to other issues. But i think that you know you will see if the Supreme Court does make that decision youll see some on the right who will continue to say that this is terrible and weve got to overturn it but i think that the more establishment candidates will say lets talk about other things so we can unite the country and try to get the economy back on track or whatever the issue of the day is. Well, yeah so sabrina, i wonder what you make of this. Im picturing a scenario like johns outlining and maybe jeb bush is trying to be the voice of reason and say, lets not make this our fight. At the same time you have ted cruz out there saying no we have to overturn this, we have to repeal this, constitutional amendment. How do you see that playing out in the Republican Party . I agree with john. I i think that republicans for the most part dont want social issues to be front and center of the president ial race in 2016 especially when you looked at the difficulty they faced on issues such as womens reproductive rights and even samesex marriage and the receipthetoric in 2012. They dont want a repeat scenario where the moderate candidates are forced into saying things to appeal to the hardline conservatives. Even if youre ted cruz or rubio or rand paul i think that they are looking more at the polls. They see the increased support for samesex marriage across the country and that the majority of americans do favor allowing samesex marriage. They dont want to be assailing gay marriage either. So i think theyre going to try to strike that balance. Even if you look at some of the more conservative candidates, i find it hard to believe anyone more than Mike Huckabee going out there and railing against gay marriage. A year ago Mike Huckabee was threatening to leave the Republican Party if they ever embraced gay marriage. Public opinion has shifted when it comes to Marriage Equality. When gallup first polled on this two decades ago, only 20 of those surveyed approved of samesex marriage. Last year 55 approval showing a massive change. Double in 20 years. Jonathan, im remembering after the 2012 election after the republicans did their selfautopsy, they talked about gay marriage gay rights as a gateway issue for younger voters. Younger voters flektreflected in the change in the poll numbers there. Im wondering if we get to a place where this is now legal across the country, its settled law, no longer a disputed issue, do the democrats lose a bit of an advantage theyve had on this issue for the last two years . If it goes away in time for the 2016 election sure. Thats actually a good thing. During 2012 i wrote a piece talking about how during the debates, there was silence on gay issue ss. They didnt come up at all. That was a change from say, 2004 when gay marriage was the talk. There were Ballot Initiatives all around the country. Now every Demographic Group and especially younger people the millennials and especially young republicans, conservative republicans, young conservative republican, they dont see what the big deal is. So the countrys moving forward, big chunks of the Republican Party, these people who will be leaving the party in 10 to 15 years, theyre already fine with it. 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Interesting stuff happens in the fourth quarter. President obama made clear he would not be a lame duck president at his end of the year press conference. He said im not spending the next two years on defense, im going to pay offense. He will issue more executive orders and use his veto pen liberally. Today, the president amplified that mess an. With respect to the veto i said to my Democratic Caucus colleagues yesterday that i will veto a bill that comes to my desk. My main message to continue at this point is just hold your fire. Sabrina, let me start with you, the confrontations that are coming. We talked about the idea that the poll numbers have been going up. Lets talk about keystone. What are the politics of him vetoing all of these things theyre putting on his desk. Some of them might be popular. I think the administration is approaching this on a case by case basis. A lot of legislation that he will veto are those that contradict his agenda. And then of course when it comes to the iran sanctions bills, they dont want to see those come undone. Having said that i think that he is aware that he cant just veto every jobs bill that might show up on his desk. Every education policy that might end up on his desk and he will look for areas that he can work with republicans. Reforming the tax code or on tlad agreements i think the administration feels there is room for Common Ground and it will be interesting to see how that walk that line, and it doesnt look like he is rejecting republicans in congress. Where are they most confident we talk about the politics in the Republican Party and they do Something Like obama care repeal. Where are they most thinking were for this the president will veto this it will make a positive statement about who we are to the country. What stands out there . Is there one. I think there is several all related to the jobs issue. I think they feel if they can get the bill to the desk. I think there will be tax cut stuff they will get done. You might go through a process there, and i think there will be other kind of issues that come through the pipeline that they want to work with the president , i think trade is one of the big ones. He will take credit for everything, everything that is going well in the economy, and his poll ratings have gone up because the economy is improving. If the economy stalls out, his poll rateings go back down. If the economy is heating up here and were getting signs it maybe is the poll numbers keep rising does that change the politics and put you on the defensive . If youre an incumbent, and it is going up you may be in a stronger position. But for republicans in office if the economy improves they feel like theyre in a stronger position too. They can make the case they got in office and the economy is improving. What do you make of that . How does that affect the next two years . John said something that i think is right when it comes to the economy he is not given credit he has to take credit for this. The good thing about what is happening is that however the economy is, the pop popular the president is that is less of a wait on the president. Were talking about the election of a third possible democratic term or a new republican term. The last time that happened it was Reagan Reagan bush. So you know what happened with the president s poll numbers, can and his leaning forward in these last two years, and going on offense, republicans now have the congress theyre half all of the congress they now have to be an equal partner. The government knows this and theyre putting it to the test. At the start of that seventh year he was down because of iraq the number went back up. It got that socalled reagan for a third term. Appreciate your joins us tonight, and we will be back after this. Theyre still after me. Get to the terminal across town. 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