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We know grimmie was performing a concert last night that started at 6 00. It brand up around 10 00. After the concert was over, she was in the lobby area signing autographs and selling merchandise when Orlando Police tell us an unidentified suspect approached her with two guns and shot her. Witnesses tell us they heard between four and five gunshots. They saw what looked like a bullet wound in the back of her head, her on the ground. What happened after the shots were fired, grimmies brother actually jumped in, tackled the suspect, and police are calling him a hero tonight saying he could have pre vented even more deaths, or this could have been a much worse situation. Theyre calling him a hero tonight. This is what police told us last night. The suspect walked up and shot christina. At that point we know her brother tackled the suspect and thats when the suspect shot himself. This is a very tragic event. It should have been something very fun and exciting, and for Something Like this to happen is just a tragedy. Reporter this unidentified gunman is also dead. Police right now dont know if or how he knew grimmie. Thats something theyre looking at right now. Alex . Okay. So matt, im curious about security. She was a relatively recent phenom and celebrated with her success. Did she have security traveling with her, or that area of the lobby so often when you go to any group thing, you have to open your bags or there was some sort of a checkpoint. Was that in place last night . Alex, i dont know what kind of detail she had with her. What i can tell you from what fans are telling us, there were no metal detectors last night. Sometimes there are. This was supposed to be a lowkey event, a Family Friendly event. What were hearing is the venue did have security, they were checking bags, but there were no metal detectors. Obviously this person who has not been identified again, police are not saying if or how they knew each other, but he was able to get in with two guns and unfortunately take ms. Grimmies life. What a tragedy, a shocker to wake up to this morning. Matt grant from wesh 2 in orlando. Lets go from there to politics. Five protesteders detained outside Donald Trumps rally in richmond, virginia, last night, one charged with disorderly contact. Inside the rally, the 11,000 capacity venue only about a fifth full or so according to an msnbc reporter on site. That didnt stop trump from taking a swing at his democratic opponent and the president. You have a president coming out and endorsing somebody thats under criminal investigation. Criminal investigation so you have a president , he comes out, shes under criminal investigation, and he endorses her. Is this supposed to be the way the country is supposed to be working . I dont think so. Also on the attack, twotime republican president ial candidate mitt romney who weighed in on trumps recent comments about a Mexican American judge. I dont want to see trickledown racism. I dont want to see a president of the United States saying things which change the character of the generations of americans that are following. President s have an impact on the nature of our nation and trickledown racism, trickledown bigotry, trickledown misogyny are extraordinarily dangerous to the heart and character of america. Well, trump hit back in a tweet posted just under an hour ago saying romney, quote, choked in his own president ial bid and repeating his claim that hes, quote, the least racist person there is. The former Massachusetts Governor is hosting a summit. Among the attendees, paul ryan. Hewlett packard Ceo Meg Whitman asked ryan how he could endorse trump who she called a demagogue and compared to hitler and mussolini. He said he backed trump to preserve party unity. Joining me right now, nbcs jacob rascon, getting ready for the trump rally in tampa. Jacob, good morning. What do we expect to hear today . We expect to hear more about Hillary Clinton. Hes prepping his remarks coming up on monday, another one that may be off a teleprompter. By our count, hes given six speeches off a teleprompter. Is it a change of tone . Were not sure about that. What weve seen is he has really two tones. He has one where hes given more high profile speeches like the apac speech, Foreign Policy speech, where he decides to go with a teleprompter which hes made fun of for months. At rallies hes never used a tell prompter. Last night in richmond he didnt use one. He swings through New Hampshire, pennsylvania, texas, we expect the same off the cuff trump that weve always seen. There is more pressure it seems than ever for him to change his tone a bit. During the primaries we noticed he could say just about anything he wanted and he would still win the primary and his poll numbers would still go up. In the last couple weeks, in the last week and a half, he hasnt seen any polls that had him beating Hillary Clinton. Even the fox poll or rasmussen poll that had him ahead by a few points now has him down. There is pressure growing within the Republican Party. You saw speaker ryan, mitch mcconnell, other Top Republican leaders saying we dont agree with what donald trump is saying. Well see if he shifts that at all. Whats he going to say about the judge, for example . Will he even mention it, and so forth . Let me talk about the size of this rally and whats expected. As you know last night one of our msnbc reporters on site said the number of people attending the rally in richmond about 2,000. This was in an arena that holds 11,000, 12,000. Trump books these big places because he was filling them. Behind you, given the hour were three hours ahead of when hes expected to begin speaking, does this look like what he has garnered in the past in terms of attendance . Reporter that was surprising to read that note about last night. I wasnt there. Here we probably have a few hundred people here, were still a few hours ahead of the rally. It is normal sometimes to see this and then people will go into the convention center, for example, up until hes supposed to speak and hell end up getting thousands and hell fill it up. 90 of the time he fills up whatever space hes booked. That note was surprising. Okay. Jacob rascon in tampa. Well keep our eyes peeled and see what happens. Joining me now francesca chambers and msnbcs jane timm. Good morning, ladies. Jane, ill be ginn with you. By many accounts, donald trump has had a tough week, especially with respect to his comments about the judge. Whats the major fallout. When you look at gop support, do you think he can recover . Theres a couple reasons this sticks, republicans care about their judges. They see it as a big way the country has changed. I think this one doesnt necessarily affect donald trump as much as it affects the rest of the party. We saw Donald Trumps first unendorsement, senator mark kirk said he would not be voting for the republican nominee. Hes in a vulnerable seat and got hit very hard. His rival Tammy Duckworth said what took so long. A muslim ban was okay but attacking the judge wasnt. Hes in a tough situation, hes in a more moderate state and needs to appeal to more moderate republicans. Francesca, you have a surge of unity among democrats, Vice President biden, Elizabeth Warren all officially endorsing Hillary Clinton. First of all, what is expected to be his role in the campaign . A unique role this Campaign Cycle as in outgoing president s dont typically campaign for the person who is going to replace them. George bush wasnt very popular when he left, neither was bill clinton. This president is very popular so its someone Hillary Clinton wants on the campaign trail. He will talk about a hopeful message for america and also talking about the economy and talking up her Foreign Policy experience. One thing i found very striking in his statement of endorsement for her, alex, was he talked about how we got osama bin laden, not i. Hell be talking up the Foreign Policy experience for her in green bay. Theres going to be upsides and downsides to anyone. If we look at Elizabeth Warren, a big pro is shes very progressive, well like by that wing of the party that was endorsing and supporting Bernie Sanders before. That would be a way that clinton could pull in some of those dis affected democrats who might be considering sitting out this election. On the other hand she doesnt come from whats considered a swing state this election cycle. If she wanted to go that route, she would pick someone from virginia or ohio. Shes looking at tim kaine and shared brown for that position. Jane, looking at your latest article about gop donors, hearing this pitch from donald trump this week, who are these donors and are they sold on trump or still with reservation . The group of 60 or 70 donors that gathered at the four seasons this week, they were the usual suspects, a lot of typical republican donors. What struck me the most is how much they came up with the idea, oh, nothing to see here, everything is great. Were all unified. This is not a unified party. They have a lot of questions and the donor class has largely stepped back from this race. Theyre looking at down ballot races more. There are a lot of donors who wont give money to donald trump because he is so inflammatory in many ways. These donors felt it was their duty to come together and try to bring the party together. They definitely stiffened up when i asked them, what about the controversy and judge cure yell remarks. Jane, whats the conventional question on the vp . Are there people he might want to choose who will say i dont want to be your running mate. Donald trump has made it clear he wants to bring someone in with experience on capitol hill. He needs to have somebody that has strong conservative credentials. By all accounts Donald Trumps positions have evolved quickly, rapidly, and over the years hes had more moderate positions. He needs someone to shore up his views, convince people hes as conservative as he says. I think well see somebody like a Newt Gingrich character, somebody on capitol hill that has a history and voting record. Francesca, relative to the Hillary Clinton email matter, lets listen to what press secretary josh earnest had to say on thursday. Thats why the president when discussing this issue at each stage has reiterated his commitment to this principle, that any criminal investigation should be conducted independent of any sort of political interference and people should be treated the same way before the law. Was that intended . For the first time calling it a criminal investigation, any fallout or explanation afterwards. Well, he did try to play cleanup on it a little day the next day, on friday, backing away saying the point he was trying to make is the president doesnt interfere in independent investigations and that he couldnt possibly know if it was a criminal investigation because they dont get involved in that. It was very striking, though, because Hillary Clinton has said it is not a criminal investigation at all, but what does the fbi investigate, alex . Good point. Francesca chambers, jane timm, thanks so much. Thanks. 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Whats your take on the response and the position hes in making a response like that as leader of the party. The question is unite the party behind what . Thats becoming a bigger question mark every day. In my hometown of hackensack, new jersey, yet the republican mayor left the Republican Party because they couldnt justify to hackensacks very Diverse Community as Republican LeadersDonald Trumps divisive comments. This is happening all across the country. We saw scott walker yesterday, mark kirk earlier this week. The Republican Party is in total turmoil. At the courageous conservative pac, we want to make sure the Republican Party remains a conservative party and donald trump is not a conservative. So were petitioning, we launched a petition drive this morning to get republican signatures to unbind the delegates, unbind the delegates going into the first ballot so that donald trump has to go into that convention and prove himself to those delegates. Those delegates have the moral obligation to find the best candidate to defeat Hillary Clinton. Right now donald trump is not uniting the party and he will not beat Hillary Clinton. How will this work, whats just gone up on your website . Any petition is to drive public messaging and get attention to the fact. What were saying is donald trump should not be sitting there thinking hes got it all locked up, doing the things hes doing which is hurting the Republican Party, possibly destroying the Republican Party. We want to go into this convention and make it what it is. This is not a populous vote. The Republican Party is not meant to be a place where you took the nomination because you won a beauty pageant. He has to prove hes a conservative, the principles hes going to back and unite the party. Its obvious to everyone, i think even the other 60 who think its better to stay with him to unite the party, that hes not doing it. It seems to get worse every day. We could wake up tomorrow with another cataclysmic trump statement as far as i know. Steve, do you think hes taking a read on any of this. Is there anything you think he could do before the convention that would change your mind . Hes have to make since the day after the indiana primary, alex, i wake up every morning looking for reason to support donald trump as well as many other conservative republicans across the country. So far that hasnt happened. I think whats most important about his statement about the judge, despite the fact that aside from the fact that what paul ryan said, it was a textbook case of racism is it showed tragic lack of judgment, and the fact that donald trump doesnt care about the damage hes doing. He doesnt seem to care about mark kirk or scott walker, the republican mayor of hackensack, new jersey, local officials. He doesnt seem to care. Thats whats disturbing. Hes not a politician. Do you think he understands the effect hes having. I think its bet about donald trump and hes using the Republican Party as a vehicle to advance his own agenda. Thats not the conservative agenda of people like Ronald Reagan. Remember, when Ronald Reagan was president , donald trump was supporting carter and mondale. He ran fullpage ads in reagans last year attacking Ronald Reagan. Suddenly people are equating this guy to Ronald Reagan. Donald trump is not a conservative. He doesnt understand what it means to be a conservative. Hes not sure what his political philosophies are. Its whats best for donald trump at the rallies at that moment and whats going to get the crowd to cheer from him. Its been reported the Koch Brothers wont contribute to the Republican Convention. His fundraising woes have been documented. How big a problem can this be at this stage of the race . He told people all along he was a selffunder. Now hes not a selffunder. Wait a minute, now you need to raise money hes out there attacking Hillary Clinton for being a criminal. Im as much concerned about the email scandal as anyone else. But at the same time hes going into a fraud case at trump university. How is he going to explain that . The democrats uniting every minute just gets bigger and bigger and bigger, totally united behind Hillary Clinton. Meanwhile donald trump is destroying the Republican Party. Were heading towards a cataclysmic defeat in a third obama term. Republican delegates ought to wake up and nominate the candidate who can best defeat Hillary Clinton. Hes taken fire about the comments of judge curiel. Im curious of your take on his attack against Elizabeth Warren. Tom cole says, quote, theres plenty of things he can disagree with Elizabeth Warren over. This is not something in my opinion that should enter the conversation. Its neither appropriate pernlly toward her and frankly it offends a larger group of people. I wish he would avoid that. Is this a racebased attack for you . Donald trump is so under the magnifying glass and it has so become a character risk, these issues of racism and bigotry, even if he says something slightly off color that normally wouldnt be an issue, its going to be an issue because hes under the microscope. It doesnt stop. Its getting worse and worse and worse. For decades, conservatives like me have tried to demonstrate to minorities in this country that conservative government is the best form of government to advance their prosperitity and individual liberty. Donald trump is destroying that vision. Hell set the Republican Party back more than 1 is 00 years and could destroy the tf brand. As one kwf, im not going to let that happen. Republican steve lonegan, always good to talk to you. Thank you very much, alex. When donald trump talks, at least two republicans walk. More on something tooef just mentioned. Thats next. 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Welcome back. Im alex witt at msnbc World Headquarters in new york. 2012 republican nominee, mitt romney, one of the most outspoken critics of donald trump says hes not going to vote for the presumptive nominee. I, myself, will not be voting for either one of them. I just cant bring myself to vote for Hillary Clinton. I dont think the policies she promotes are right for the country. Mr. Trump, i think is too great a departure from the values of our country for me to sign up to vote for him either. Ill be writing in someone elses name, probably another republican. Joined by former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and republican vat gist susan del perz i dont. Lets go ladies first, susan. How impressive is it for the prior republican standard bearer to not support the gop nominee . Its almost unprecedented. As a matter of fact, for donald trump you have to go back to the 1996 nominee, bob dole, for the person who is supporting him. You the bushes not supporting him. You have senator mccain not endorsing and now you have mitt romney. Thats tremendous. That does show the problem within the party, frankly. What governor romney said is important, though. Hes focusing most of his time on down ballot races, keeping the senate and the house in republican hands. It wouldnt be unexpected a former democratic president wouldnt endorse him. Lets face it. Anybody who has had the job on the gop side knows what it takes, if theyre not endorsing, theyre just staying quiet. Mitt romney is taking a stance. There are a lot of folks in the Republican Party that feel donald trump is taking it in the complete wrong direction, that in essence hes hijacked the party for his own goals, not that he has the goals of the party at heart. Now were going to see that disruption within the party really take hold. Donald trump is having a lot of problems raising money. The rnc is having problems raising money for its convention because donald trump is the nominee. The party will be splintered for loong time to come with donald trump now as its nominee. Talk strategy with me, governor. How do democrats try to capitalize on this divide . First of all, as far as we democrats are concerned, thats all good news, but i wouldnt start ordering drin nks the oval office yet. Ill tell you why. This is the year when i dont think endorsements matter. In fact, not getting endorsements may feed the narrative that donald trump is i understand dent, he belongs to know nobody and will make his own decisions on whats right for the people. You could spin that very effectively if you come from where trump has come from, someone not endorsed by all republicans an won almost all the primaries its good news because theres discord. Its good news because they splay have trouble raising money. Im not so sure that we ought to assume this is a collapse thats going to decide the election. Okay. Lets talk about Vice President ial picks. Governor, i want to start with you. You made headlines after saying Elizabeth Karen does not have the experience to be commander in chief. Here is what she said on the Rachel Maddow show. If you were asked to be secretary clintons running mate, do you believe you could do it . Ed rendell former pennsylvania governor said you were in not anyway, shape or form ready to be commander in chief. Do you think you could be . Yes, i do. Rachel ma dough was quoting you. Do you still stand by that position . Well, look, the question is anybody ready to be commander in chief. I said on the same radio show had i been chosen when i was governor, i wouldnt have been ready to be commander in chief because i didnt have Foreign Policy or National Security experience. Thats a weakness. Trying to find a president ial candidate who fits into all the boxes, who has had experience in everything is very, very difficult. People like governors because of their executive experience, but generally governors have no Foreign Policy and National Security experience. Could Elizabeth Warren learn it . Sure, she could, shes very smart. But will she be ready that first week if something happened to the president , its hard to say. I have confidence in her intellectual ability, but there are some difficult issues out there. Its what makes Hillary Clinton such a great candidate for president because shes had domestic experience, as a senator she was involved with military affairs committee. She knows National Security as secretary of state. Shes as qualified as anybody weve ever had down the pike. Do you think about, who do you like running for veep with Hillary Clinton . By the way, any interest yourself . No. I kidded around, alex. I said if Hillary Clinton picked me, wed be the aarp ticket. Hillary needs someone who is presently involved in the game, someone like a tim kaine, mark warner. Governor or senator, in mark warners case a very successful businessman. Again, the question arises, are they progressive enough . The progressive wing of this party, Bernie Sanders and Bernie Sanders supporters are going to be heard from. We have to reach out to them and do those candidates fit the progressive bill . Maybe not. But it may well be that theres no perfect candidate. One more question to you, governor, before i ask you, susan about the veep candidate. The p prkspp poll showing drum them deadlocked at 44 . Trump has had a terrible week. I dont know how much of the poll reflects that terrible week, but even at the end of the terrible week hes not going to be out of the running in a lot of battleground states, pennsylvania included. Its going to be a fight. Weve got our work cut out for us. I tell every democrat in this state dont take anything for granted. Donald trump can appeal to a lot of reagan democrats, working class, white democrats particularly in the western part of the state. Its going to be a battle here, but well be ready. Susan, what about donald trump . Is there a perfect veen candidate . What a perfect veep candidate even want to hitch their wagon to donald trump . I agree with governor rendell. There is no such thing as a perfect president ial or veep candidate. You have to go with who someone is going to be comfortable with. Thats why i think tim kaine is a great selection because shes comfortable with him. When you look at whats going to happen in pennsylvania, you may see scott brown, former senator from massachusetts who really would bring in kind of that perfect casting for donald trump. He will be able to take that pickup truck, go down and really i think get a lot of conservative democrats support. He was also the first senator, former or current, to endorse donald trump before the New Hampshire primary. I think that loyalty will matter to donald trump. Alex, can i make a suggestion for the republicans . Sure. Ted cruz. Are you taking it seriously, susan . I dont see how it happening. I see why hes saying that. I think the governor was being his usual charming sell. Ed and susan, thank you. Thank you. Outrage looets leads to action. Whats in todays newspaper leads to volume in calls for the judges removal. Thats next. So i need nutrition. That wont weigh me down. For the nutrition you want without the calories you dont. Try boost® 100 calories. Each delicious snack size drink gives you. 25 vitamins and minerals and 10 grams of protein. And its available in two new flavors, vanilla caramel and Double Chocolate fudge. Im not about to swim in the slow lane. Stay strong. Stay active with boost®. Dont bring that mess around here, evan whoo dont do it. Dont you dare. I dont think so [ sighs ] its okay, big fella. Were gonna get through this together. 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These are the same people, this group ultra violet, the same group of people we saw yesterday in downtown San Francisco turning in a petition of more than a million signatures. That petition largely symbolic. Its a petition thats gone all across the country, all these people wanting the judge to be recalled. But there is another push for an actual petition here in palo alto where theyre trying to get 80,000 signatures of people locally so they can trigger a recall election. Right now aaron persky is going to be reelected. He doesnt have anybody running against him. So he effectively doesnt even have to be on the ballot and he will be in office during the next election. What theyre trying to do is gather enough signatures so they can recall that election and they can put people on the ballot against him. But its something that has really, really riled up this community. Of course, the Legal Community here is coming to the judges defense. Prosecutors, defense attorneys, public defenders alike. Theyre all basically saying the judiciary needs to be respected, that judges oftentimes have to make unpopular decision and theyre saying a lot of people may disagree with this sentence, but he was following the letter of the law, following the recommendations of the probation office. So there wasnt anything untoward about what he did and his decision should be respected. Alex . Gady, we know judge persky is a stanford graduate. Theres been some that suggest his ties to stanford may have influenced his decision, albeit, yes, following the letter of the law, but it could have had some influence in terms of the timeline sentence there. Speaking of graduation, as he is a graduate, will there be protests planned today . There are tremendous events planned all through this weekend for those deserving graduates and their families. Reporter thats right. Stanford is kind of the heart of this community. As you mentioned, the judge is not only an alumni of stanford, he is actually a student athlete. He was the captain of the lacrosse team. There are a lot of people that say that may have influenced that decision and his sentence. Regardless of what actually happened what actually influenced his decision, his supporters saying it was the probation report that influenced that decision. Regardless of that, for graduation tomorrow and this weekend, this is going to be an issue front and center whether or not the administration likes it. This ad has been taken out. There are also going to be planes a plane that is actually flying with a billboard. So this is going to be an issue that people are going to be talking about. People are going to be seeing during graduation ceremonies and something thats going to definitely be a very important conversation tomorrow. Unfortunate undercurrent for all those deserving undergrad at tomorrow who would be celebrating completely free of all this. 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The most reliable for a reason. A group of Hispanic Women in miami are for the first time publicly declaring themselves as latinas for trump even as theyve been mocked and laughed at. Earlier this week dozens of Trump Supporters showed up at an event billed as a copying out party for Hispanic Women. Joining me, Trump Supporters who organized that event. Ladies, im very curious. Denise, ill speak to you first. You own a Public Relations firm, right . Yes. Donald trump, has he done things and said things that, were you to be advising him, youd say, please dont go there, why did you do that . Absolutely. Absolutely. I would definitely not advise him to use the words and the language he uses if i were his so then what draws you to him . Can you not take him at his word . We were just talking about that actually right now between us. We, being from miami, i think a lot of the rhetoric he uses, were kind of used to hearing amongst our cuban grandparents or uncles. I read you said you described it how weve all got a crazy uncle that talks like that. Thats fine around a family dinner at thanksgiving. But its different when you have someone who may go off as leader of the free world. Do you worry about ramifications of that . I think, number one, one of the things the media has done an excellent job of is hash tagging the word rhetoric. A lot of times hes been amuck. To me that defines some sort of transparency, a no filter which is always linked with perhaps some type of sincerity. We live perhaps seven wonderful years of beautiful speeches whereas they were nice, they were exactly what we wanted to hear, but didnt necessarily hit home. Both denise and belong to that middle class that went from being like this to being like this, and i think thats probably one of the reasons we decided we were going to look beyond the rhetoric and xenophobia and racism to try to see Something Else which is what we see as some type of new hope for our generation, for the latinas and the americans in general because were both cuban player khan, Second Generation cubans here in miami. We look beyond that. For us there are other things he represents that are much more important. Were focused on the big picture. Illiana, if i have it right, you were independent but registered republican. I know in the past you voted for bill clinton, george bush and mitt romney. What is it about trump, about casting your trump vote do you feel different about this race than the prior three when you voted the other way . You know, ive actually been very passionate about this particular campaign. It came straight out of the first time i saw him debate, and that was probably one of the wildest debates, was the first one. For me it was passionate. I felt so apathetic with the system, with everything that had been happening for so long with establishment on both sides. I was like ive got this is the horse im going to bet on. This is the horse im going to bet on. I was considering hellry at a given point. Jeb, also. There was marco rubio, cuban american just like us. But there was something about him, about his transparency and his way of speaking doesnt really bother me. There are sometimes where he says things where he shoots himself in the foot and feeds the media to hit that point all the time and not hit other points that we should be addressing. But, you know, it works, it works. Do you at all worry, though, his comments and is to either of you, can spur racist feelings and reactions that way that are so negative . Of course, of course. To be honest, one of the reasons weve come out and one of the reasons we formed a group is to try to sway those on the fence that are undecided. I think the only way for him to do that is for him to definitely calm his rhetoric were not affiliated at all with his campaign. We dealt it more than anything we were being called crazy, being insulted and we wondered how many more like us were secretly supporting him and hadnt come out. That was the whole reason for the event. We were amazed at the people that came out. They were nothing like us. They were not the typical cuban americans that people thought would come out. We had people from all walks. Personally, i dont you cant really say that someone can make you feel racist. Thats something thats either in you or not. I see theres a lot of hypocrisy that goes on. It seems recently you cant say anything because everyone is offended all the time. Ileana, you mentioned both candidates jeb bush and marco rubio. My question to you is do you wish you had a different choice if you wanted to support the Republican Party . I wish that there were different options you know, trump has taken out 16 people, 14 of which were establishment, 15 were establishment. Yeah, 15 were establishment. We had different options and we ended up with trump. I think thats not a question for me. I think thats a question for the Republican Party and it sort of angers me with, when i watch them go back and forth about that all the time, were a month and a half away from the convention, months away from the election. To see them go back and forth like that when they used to torture him in the beginning, telling them, even if you dont make it, are you going to support the person that gets nominated and they tortured him and made such an issue out of it. Now that hes the nominee, theyre torturing him again. I guess it works for someone. It keeps the media outlet busy and theres someone to beat up on. When he goes off the handle every once in a while, i can understand the pressure because we, since we started the group, we get pressure 24 7. Im sure i dont ladies do. All the time. Well watch the development of latinas for trul trump. Thanks for joining us. Thats a wrap of this hour of msnbc live. Frances rivera is up next. How far will Bernie Sanders political revelation take him . Born with a hunger to fly and a passion to build something better. And what an amazing time its been, decade after decade of innovation, inspiration and wonder. So, we say thank you america for a century of trust, for the privilege of flying higher and higher, together. If legalzoom has your back. S, over the last 10 years weve helped one million Business Owners get started. Visit legalzoom today for the legal help you need to start and run your business. Legalzoom. Legal help is here