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Prepping for weeks more of this. This will go on for a while. The American People will have their way. Plus, scared silent. Michael cohen postpones his congressional testimony because of what he calls ongoing threats to his family made by the president of the United States. What team cohen is now saying this morning as House Democrats insist he will still testify. No, i would say hes been threatened by the truth. Hes been threatened by the truth. And chaos in car raucous. Hundreds of thousands protested for the end of the mujaro team. The u. S. Recognizing the Opposition Leader as the true leader of venezuela. Getting its diplomats out. An order the administration refuses. Nicholas maduro has no legitimate claim to power. We will stand with the people of venezuela until they reclaim freedom and democracy for their people. We begin today with that rare reversal by the president. As he backs down from that battle with House Speaker nancy pelosi and furloughed workers brace for a second missed paycheck. What could happen to your family if the shutdown continues . Lose our home. You could lose our home . I pray. And im crying every day. Once theyve gone to sleep. Once i get behind that room door, im crying my eyes out. Im, like, i promised them that we would never be homeless again. That is tough to watch. Our team of reporters and guests are going to have the new details. Lets get you caught up. President trump overnight tweeting hes going to do the state of the Union Address when the shutdown is over, not looking for an alternative venue after all in what amounts to a concession to speaker pelosi. She is enkourcouraging the prest to end the shutdown. Quote, please accept this proposal so we can reopen government, she says, repay our federal workers and then negotiate our differences. But the action today is not in the house. Its over in the senate. Voting starts on two competing bills to reopen the government. The republican bill includes money for the president s border wall. The democratic bill does open in. It does reopen government for a couple weeks. Both are expected to fail. That is not a great sign. Neither is this. The Trump Administration seems to be planning for an even longer shutdown. The senior official at the office of management and budget tells nbc news the administration has asked Agency Leaders to provide a list of programs that could be affected if the shutdown goes on for weeks to come. Nbc news has also obtained a letter written and signed by five bipartisan former secretaries of the department of homeland security. That includes former white house chief of staff john kelly calling on congress and the president to fund the dhs. They warn the longer they work without pay, the greater risk they seek jobs elsewhere. Speaking of risks, Union Leaders for air traffic controllers, pilots, say there are serious safety concerns now about flying because of the shutdown. They write, in our risk averse industry, we cannot calculate the level of risk currently at play, nor predict the point at which the entire system will break. It is unprecedented. All of this as 800,000 furloughed federal workers risk missing their second paycheck tomorrow. People working on government contracts also are not getting paid. They probably wont get any back pay for this. Lets get to our team of reporters. Nbcs Kelly Odonnell live on capitol hill. Nbcs Kristen Welker at the white house. Kristen, that overnight reversal by President Trump. Who has prided himself on not backing down but in this instance he sure is. It was a rare retweet by President Trump that came just before midnight. With the president essentially giving if after nancy pelosi said that he could not deliver his state of the Union Address next tuesday on the house floor if the government is not open. This is what President Trump tweeted just to remind our viewers overnight he said, i will do the address when the shutdown is over. Im not looking for an alternative venue. Because there is no venue that can compete with the history, tradition and importance of the house chamber. I look forward to giving a great state of the Union Address in the near future. L. A. Part of his statement, saying, i hope you mean you will support the package to end the shutdown that the senate will vote on tomorrow. Of course we know that is not going to happen as you just mapped out. What happens moving forward . Is there some type of compromise bill that can come together . I know kellys going to have a lot more on all of that. Bottom line, in talking to officials here, they continue to be defiant that it is up to democrats to try to fund the president s demand for a border wall. But theres no clear indication that is going to happen. The president doesnt have any events on his schedule today, yesterday he did hold meetings. He met with conservative leaders. Not democrats. So it doesnt appear as though theres an end in sight in the near future. But the pressure is certainly mounting for all of those reasons that you just knocked out. Kelly odonnell is over on the hill. Our friend Kristen Welker teed you up well. Dueling votes on capitol hill. Neither of them are expected to pass. Whats your sense being in the building this morning . Well, it is sort of the dueling banjos of lejs legislati legislation. We have to go through it. Because it is a way to test the waters. What we have seen here is a slice of bipartisanship for the fact that theyre even holding two separate votes. The republican plan which is the president s offer which gives him all the mope he wants for a border wall over five years, 5. 7 billion. And to sweeten that to attract democrats. Some limited protections for young immigrants if the daca class as its known. And temporary protected status retchies who come from places with natural disasters and war allowed to come here legally as refugees but their time willics spire. On the democrat being side, it is a short term measure that does not give the president what he wants. What theyre saying here is look to see who votes against their own party. There are a few red state democrats who might be targets of opportunity for republicans. And there are some 2020 republicans who are targets of opportunity for democrats. For example, Susan Collins of maine. Shes up for reelection. Shes going to vote yes on both measures. It is a test of the exasperation level of senators. This is the first time were seeing senate action. How fed up are they . Democrats tell me if democrats could prevail, we dont think thats likely, the house would act quickly, it would be over. For republicans, this is a way to see where are the dividing lines. There are those who want leadership to say ive got an idea. That seems to be the phase that comes next. Kristen welker at the white house, Kelly Odonnell at the hill, thank you. Let me bring in eli stokels. Rick tyler, republican strategist, former maryland congresswoman Donna Edwards joins us. Here we are. Eli, youve been writing about this a ton. Tell me what your sources are telling you. The last time this happened, i was 1 year old. This hasnt happened in decades. It is a record shutdown. The white house, i think it was more surprising last night that the president accepted the actual reality of the fact that he doesnt hold the cards on this one. Speaker pelosi controls the house chamber. Whatever letter he decided to send, thats not going to force her to open up the doors and say okay, go ahead and give your speech youre the president. The separation of powers has been something the president has has struggled to accept at times. The fact he accepted it last night is the fact of a white house that they just have a lot on their plate. Theyre not exactly sure of their move from day to day. They were basically out of moves. They had no choice but to pull back. The focus for the most part is on figuring out how to end the shutdown. How to find an off ramp. How to save face and perhaps get some measure of Border Security money dollars for the wall without prolonging this further. At the same time, they are considering what happens if this keeps going. They dont really know how this is going to end when you call over there and ask them, im sure you have these conversations too, if these votes fail what happens next . They dont really know. The arguing is Border Security, this border wall is such a priority that it supersedes at least right now those pain points youre hearing from federal workers. It really is pretty extraordinary. These stories dont seem to be quite moving to the president yet. Keep in mind, this coming weekend, one, going into another weekend, going back home, and knowing that people are not going to get their second paycheck. This is weighing on senators. Its weighing on members of the house. One thing that was really clear is Nancy Pelosis book is called know your power. Clearly in this, she knows she understands her power and shes been really using that. I think the president is in the face of that. What i see coming in these two failed measures in the senate, is that it just open up a pathway to begin real negotiations that are going to happen between the house and the senate. Spe somebodys going to go to the president and say your measures failed this is the deal we cut. I see this coming whether that happens in a day or a week. You had the dhs letter too. Five former dhs accounts, interestingly, rick, including one person who was in the white house when this shutdown started, john kelly who was the chief of staff at the time that this shutdown began. Say what you will about how much power he had but he was there. It was in his job title. Does that move the needle . I think it will. Pelosi has to establish the fact that the president and the white house and the executive branch, youre in charge. But in this half, she says im in charge. She needed to win that argument. Thats been established. The president , as eli says, the reality star met reality. The president is holding his hand. In cards. Hes got a pair of 2s, right . Very weak hand. What hes betting against National Security is that nothing goes wrong in the aviation industry. And you can tell this is none of this is serious. For two reasons. One is you dont say that Border Security is a priority and then not pay the people securing the border. Thats one. Two, no republican could tell you whether its 5. 7 billion for Border Security, 800 million of that is supposedly for scanning. So that leaves 4. 9 billion for some kind of a barrier on the border, right . The current barrier, which only cover less than 700 miles, was 7 billion. So clearly it doesnt the 4. 9 doesnt pay for the whole border. Not one republican can tell you where theyre going to build this wall. It is not a serious proposal. But it is a symbol, rick. Its become a symbol for both of these parties now. For the president , its a symbol of his promise he made to his base. For the democrat, its a symbol of opposition to this promise the president made. As i recall if the last when barack obama was president and i was a critic of barack obama as well, is symbolism over substance. Now the Republican Party is going to stand for symbolism which is a wall. By the way, walls make sense in certain places like san diego, like in el paso. But they dont make sense in the middle of the desert. What about cracks in the Republican Party . The president has insisted hes united. Susan collins now has come out and said ill vote for the republican proposal and the democratic proposal because i want to open the government. It makes sense for cory gardner to try to create some press that says look, im not just falling in line with the Trump Administration because donald trump is 15 points under water in colorado and Cory Gardners on the ballot in 2020. But trumps calculations are not about gardner or collins. What may sway trump is the fact that theres evidence his own standing has been diminished by this. Lets put up on screen. The poll that shows trump falling eight points to almost a bottom for his presidency at 34 now this month in the ap poll and an overall Approval Rating thats down eight points again in just the month of the shutdown and 60 of the country blames trump for it. When we heard him yesterday talking at the white house saying, oh, the democrats, you know, the partys fallen apart. That tells you that he actually knows, its registering that the opposite is true and maybe that is the key that finally turns in the lock and gets the president to say, okay, we need an off ramp here because this is hurting me. He wont admit it publicly but hes starting to become aware of that i think. Eli, its always great to have you here on our set. Im going to ask both of you to stick around. Coming up after the break, were going live in a few minutes to davos for the World Economic forum. 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Of course its not. Comes from the ukraine. He may have ties to something called organized crime. And once the president insinuated cohens wife might be involved in something illegal. We agonize whd d whether to sho that sound bite because hes bringing up somebody who has no evidence. Giuliani provided no evidence. Trump provided no evidence. But the president is not backing down. He says hes been threatened by you and mr. Giuliani in his no, i would say hes been threatened by the truth. Hes only been threatened by the truth. Okay. So what happens now . Michael cohen has 41 days before he starts his threeyear prison sentence. That is not exactly a big window, right . The top democrat on the House Oversight Committee Says hes not giving up on trying to get cohens testimony. I guarantee as sure as day becomes night and night becomes day that we will hear from mr. Cohen, period. I have not decided exactly how we will go about it, but i promise you, we will hear from him. Ken dilanian covers intelligence and National Security for nbc news. Matt himiller is a msnbc justic analyst. Let me play you what lanny davis, now kind of an adviser, has to say just this morning about all of this. Let me be very clear, the house of representatives has an obligation. The president of the United States obstructs justice to prevent a witness from testifying. So is a criminal investigation for Rudy Giuliani for witness tampering, calling out a mans fatherinlaw and wife in order to intim damt tidate the witnest fair game. What constitutes witness tampering . It would be trying to corruptly prevent someone from testifying or providing evidence in an ongoing proceeding which of course it is. So this is that . I think its clear what the president was trying to do. He was out publicly threatening, encouraging people to dig into his familys past. Remember, its not just the explicit threat the president was making, explicit encouragement for reporters. He even sent prosecutors to dig into him. Hell the head of the executive branch. If he wanted to suggest to the attorney general, look at Michael Cohens fatherinlaw, he has every ability to do that and the potentially incoming attorney general said theres nothing inherently wrong with the president suggesting an investigation. So if youre Michael Cohen, these are you can see these as real threats, both about people digging into your fatherinlaws past and potentially the full weight of the federal government in terms of the Justice Department coming down on you. This is a really interesting dynamic. Most ive spoken to agree with what laney davis said. That the president is despicable behavior. Theyre fully prepared to subpoena him. Hes already testified before the congress so he may have waived his fifth amendment rights to not speak. This may be part of a legal strategy on his part. He faces some peril in speaking under oath to the congress because if he lies again, hes subject to criminal penalties. Elijah cummings, you heard him there basically saying yes, you will hear from him one way or the other. Said we are going to subpoena him. Once hes in prison, they can do that, right . They can subpoena him. It would be up to the bureau of prisons to decide whether to let him leave to testify either in a private interview or public interview. You would think the bureau of prisons would defer to that but thats an arm of the federal government that the president crawl controls. I think keep is on to something about why hes not testifying here. Im sure the threats and the intimidation have something to do with it but also im not sure they fully thought through this testimony when they agreed to it. He cant talk about the mueller investigation. He cant talk about the investigation. He cant answer any of the questions the democrats are going to ask him. One point was to tell stories about how donald trump behaves behind the scenes in a very unflattering way. But some members of congress would demand for him to talk about russia. Hes already spoken about russia before the congress so what would be his reason for holding back now . Matt you said now, just to be cleeshgs you believe what the president and Rudy Giuliani have done is in your legal view witness tampering. The president s view is not. He says Michael Cohen is only threatened by the truth. What if youre correct . This is the problem with all of the president s behavior. I think the reason he acts with impunity and feels free to go and tamper with an Ongoing Investigation like this is because he knows there is no qoe consequence. As long as the Justice Departme departments opinion is a sitting president cant be indicted, and theres 20 republican senators who wouldnt vote to impeach him, i think he feels he can get away with this type of thing. Anyone else, the minute they sent the first tweet, their lawyers would be into them saying you are asking to be indicted by the Justice Department. Instead, hes doing it again over and over. I think he thinks he can get away with it. We need to look no further than Paul Manafort who is charged with witness tampering. He didnt instruct anyone to high. He just said this is my story. Speaking to Paul Manafort, of course, his court filing that just came out said this idea that he lied is unfair, right . Yes, but it was redacted to such an extent you cant understand what his argument is. You know what that means for you . Well see you here tomorrow, my friend, yes, on this program. Happy to do it. Its great to the see both of you in person. Stephanie ruhle join us live from davos. The president s former director of the National Economic counsel, gary cohn, is going to talk about President Trumps late deest decisions on davos a the shutdown. The shutdown for your heart. Your joints. 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Steph, take it away. Gary, you were here last year as part of the president s delegation. Youre the guy who wrote the america is open for business speech. Fast forward one year and ways the big topic . Americas trade war. What happened . Look, america is definitely open for business. If you think of what we accomplished in the last year or two. In changing our tax code and lowering the Corporate Tax in america to 21 which puts us very much in line with the rest of the world. Repatrioting money back home. The United States has gotten very competitive. Weve seen Economic Growth in the United States. So the u. S. Is growing. So that is really important. We are open for business in the United States but brothwere also seeing e industries suffer. Where do you see that coming . Especially given where you were involved in trade negotiations and where you are now. Im not an advocate of tariffs. Is that why you left the white house . Lets just start with that. Really, ways going on with the tariffs right now . Its a consumption tax on u. S. Consumers. No Foreign Company is paying that tariff. Whos paying that tariff is the u. S. Consumer is paying that tariff when they buy a product imported from overseas. What does that mean . It means the u. S. Consumer has less money to spend or they have less money to save because they had to spend that money on tariffs. Thats not what we should be doing. So that explanation you just gave me is what you could get in an economics 101 task. You worked with him for a year. When tariffs or deficits or basic economics. One of the things the president does understand is he does understand one of our big competitive advantages of the United States is we are a big inventing economy. When we invent those products, we need to get paid for those products by the rest of the world. Obama knew that too. Which is why wanted to participate in tpp. The chinese are forcing us to transfer our technology. Theyre borrowing u. S. Companies entering the chinese market. I do support that. Who doesnt . Every company here supports that. That is one of the things he does want to do. And he is trying to do that. And every politician wants that. Are the actions hes taking to do that the right ones . It doesnt then i ask you again, does he understand economics . Look, were trying to get does he understand economics . Does he understood economics . I dont look, the president its very obvious, we disagree on tariffs. We completely come about this from a different point of view. For them to pay for the technology theyre taking is to have done it in a cohesive fashion. They would talk about that at the g7 meeting. We had a plan to do that. I dont believe tariffs would force the chinese to do anything different. Youre seeing not just the president , theresa mays not here, emmanuel macron. And this rise of populism. Its all over the world. What do we do about it . I think were in an interesting place. I get it to some degree. I get it to a large degree. I really get whats going on. The problem is were evolving into a globalist world. As we evolve, we had to change all of the rules and were still operating with many very old rules. I think the new generation of students and kids today wants to change everything overnight, not understand theres a lot of rules that we have to live with right now. If we need to change the rules, how are we going to do that . We cant keep our government open. I agree. Keeping our government open is an easy thing to do. Why would you say its easy right . The president wont do it. He wants funding for a wall. Look, the president should be open. To put 800,000 Government Employees out of work, to fight over a wall and immigration. We need immigration in the United States. We need Legal Immigration in the United States. Look at where we are in the United States. We have over 7 million job openings. They should be legal and we should have a mechanism for them to come into the country. If with have all these great job opportunities, how can the president you sat next to him. You were in the white house with him. How can he make the argument that mexicans are stealing all of our jobs, need a wall . Look, we have 7 million job openings in the United States youre not answering its just a fact. We have 3. 1 wage growth in the United States. We have real wage growth. The bottom wage earners are growing faster than the top wage earners. All the wage data is really good right now. The hardest thing for kceos to o today is hire good people. When you present the president with these facts, how did he respond . He wants to drive wages. We have to do that. Were doing that. The tax code is doing that. The economy is doing it. Were getting the results that we wanted to get from the tax code. Its happening. We just have to continue to allow this to go. But hes also mad at ceos. Mary berra did her job. If you want to change capitalism, change what ceos jobs are, change those rules. But her job is to perform for shareholders. She had to close factories because they werent doing that. The president is angry with her, going after her. Walk me how this makes sense. Youve been the head of the company and youve been in the white house. Mary berry is doing exactly what she has to do. She is working for her shareholders. She has an obligation to do that. As fiduciaries for her shareholders. Doing what theyre supposed to be doing which is optimizing return for the shareholders. If she cant sell a manufactured car profitably, she gets out of that business. Were still manufacturing an enormous amount of cars in the United States. Were selling them. The companies that are doing that are doing it profitably. How cot president have said dont sell your house yet, ohio, were keeping these factories open. How can the president think its his job to do that . Does he control mary berra . Its the job of ceos to provide to consumers the products they want at a price theyre willing to pay. If they do that, they will succeed. And consumers can decide what products should be produced in the United States. Then whose job is it to serve those people in hollowed out towns when the factories close . Its all of our jobs. Because were going all of our jobs and nobodys job is the same thing. Its all of our jobs. As we continue to grow, as we continue to grow our economy, were going to need more workers. Were going to need more spaces for the workers. Companies are going to continuously look at new places to open, new places to move businesses too where the cost of labor and the cost of occupancy is lower and lower. Youve seen that city after city after city. Youve seen people rejuvenate cities because cost of labor is cheaper. People are move back to the midwest. Clevelands a hot city now because labor is there, real estate is there, its inexpensive. Versus your other alternatives of chicago or new york or other places like that. Hindsight 2020. You led the tax reform. Would you do it the same way now . Would you laook at it and say perfect . No piece of legislation is ever perfect. Legislationing is about compromise. You need to get 235 house members and 50 senators to say yes on something. Youre never going to get it perfectly done. We got a bill done that was good. It was important to lower the Corporate Tax rate. To repatriate money. Important to make our tax code simpler. There are plenty of things in there i would have done differently. Our tax code is very complex. Before we go, your message to the president . If you were to speak to the president what would you tell him . Look, a lot of his ideas are phenomenal. A lot of things hes doing are great. People dont understand. Hes growing the economy. Hes creating the jobs. The government shut down the government needs to be open. Who can open it . Hes got to get the government open. Good luck. Hallie jackson, sending it back to you. All right, enjoy the fondue later, steph, gary cohn, thank you so much. Up next, hundreds of i those of people take to the streets of venezuela as the u. S. Takes the historic step of recognizing an Opposition Leader as the true president of the United States. The only thing i remember is losing control, and i hit the pier face first. 911 operator, muffled 911, whats your emergency . overlapping radio calls the first responders, they are the reason why im here. Just um, just makes me thankful, for everything that i have. We all make excuses for the things we dont want to do. But when it comes to colon cancer screening. Im not doin that. I eat plenty of kale. Ahem, as i was saying. With cologuard, you dont need an excuse. All that prep . No thanks. That drink tastes horrible but. Theres no prep with cologuard. I cant take the time off work. Who has two days . 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Secretary of state mike pompeo writing, the United States maintains diplomatic relations with venezuela and will conduct our relations with venezuela through the government of interim president guaido who has invited our mission to remain in the country. John hudson who covers diplomacy for the washington post, is joining me now. John, remarkable 24 hours here. Where does this go next . Its really unclear. Whats happening right now, spiller of protesters into the streets, their goal really is to have a huge turnout and try to tip the balance and try to win the favor with the military so their loyalties shift away from maduro and towards the opposition. That really is what hangs everything in the balance. Where is the military going . Is it going to maintain its allegiance with maduro . You have people like senator rubio who was at the white house talking about this very issue with President Trump. He had a verbal warning shot, saying maduro should absolutely not mess with us and mess with the military and try to get any military involvement. Senator rubio is very hawkish, very aggressive when it comes to latin american policy. The president is surrounded by john bolton and john boltons aides when it comes to latin america. This is a shift from having a forward leaning president when it comes to latin american, when it comes to the middle east. Hes been more reluctant to get the u. S. Involved when theyre not a clear National Interest at stake. Vice president pence has been vocal about this. Heres what he said when asked about the isolationist policies. President trump has made no secret of the fact that he is not a fan of american deployments all over the world. And american entanglements. Our first president , george washington, had the same concerns. And yet President Trump has always had a very different view of our hemisphere. The United States has had a responsibility to nurture freedom in this hemisphere. This administration seems to be holding maduro to a different standard. And our Andrea Mitchell wag writing about this. Talking about how Officials Say countries in the hemisphere have signed this document committing the hemisphere to democratic principles. Yes, absolutely. Theres been a different reaction with the way this administration treats human rights. Grow are a traditional ally of the United States, saudi arabia, some of the Eastern European countries. Much more comfortable looking the other way. This administration will talk about human rights. Theres been selective treatment on this issue that the administration has had to respond to. Lets get on the ground there in venezuela. Nbc news talked to a member of the opposition party. His university suspended classes because there hand been Running Water in the school. He told our team, we have no other choice but to protest. They have taken everything away from us, even fear. Ive lived my entire life under dictatorship. I would like to see something new. Talk about how we got to this point. Theres broad consensus the maduro regime has been a calamity and has overseen the economy in a completely bungled way. This is a country that has massive oil reserves. There should be an economic engine there based on their energy resources. It hasnt been that way. And there has been an increasing drum beat among countries in latin america to push for change and to have the pa dmaduro regie more responsive to the country. We havent seen that. Weve seen it going the opposite direction. The real question is can he be removed . We dont recognize maduro now. Thats the policy. That doesnt make him go away. He doesnt just disappear. John hudson, thank you so much. We just mentioned senator marco rubios stance on all this. He is going to be with my colleague Andrea Mitchell in just a couple of hours. Make sure to watch that. 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Well talk about that and why the president is also going nowhere for his state of the union, putting it off until after the shutdown so he can give his speech at the capitol. Thats where furloughed workers have descended getting angrier and angrier at the inaction. Tomorrow another paycheck thats not coming. Were sharing some of those emotional stories in a minute and talking about the other big news here. Michael cohen literally scared silent by what he sees as the threats from President Trump. But his adviser is not silent. Weve got that new interview this morning as a member of the Oversight Committee joins us with more on whether cohen might face a subpoena even from behind bars. Plus, the new headline haunting joe biden. Why did he get paid 200,000 to do a speech and right before election day and why did it help elect a republican . Hes hitting back this morning. Were talking about all of that with our team set up and ready to go. But we start here in washington where the senate is expected to do its latest kabuki dance today voting on two bills that look to have a zero percent chance of passing. Heres how the president s former economic