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Has Just Announced they will host a debate next february 4th in New Hampshire. And we are excited to partner with the union leader. Were going to air their debate live in primetime right here on msnbc. It will be the only democratic debate on the schedule between the Iowa Caucuses and New Hampshire primary. If this doesnt happen if this didnt happen, it would have been the first time in over a generation that there would have been no debate between democrats in an open president ial race between iowa and New Hampshire. And im especially excited to say that ill be comoderating this debate with my colleague, Rachel Maddow, who, by the way, has heard it straight from the two top candidates, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders themselves, in recent days that they are game for more debates. Do you wish there were more debates . Are you enjoying these debates when they do happen . I love the debates. I really do. Count me in as one person, you know, if secretary clinton and governor omalley want to do it, im there. I love debates. So there it is. They all want more debates. So were giving em one. Now lets turn to tonights take. Just as the east coast begins to thaw out, iowa is heating up with less than a week to go before the first contest of the 2016 season. And we start tonight with the democrats. In one short week, clinton and sanders have undergone a complete role reversal. Eight days ago, when the candidates shared a stage in South Carolina, that debate night was all about sanders. They were neck and neck in iowa polling, and clinton was the aggressor and the whole debate felt like it was about sanders. Last night, the three candidates appeared on the same stage, though at separate times, and this time sanders assumed the role of a challenger, falling slightly behind. Hillary clinton voted for the war in iraq. I led the effort against wall street deregulation, see where Hillary Clinton was on this issue. Why did it take Hillary Clinton such a long time before she came into opposition to the Keystone Pipeline . Secretary clinton was secretary of state of this country for four years. That is a lot of experience. Dick cheney, he had a lot of experience, too. That was something else. That was his response when asked to react to simply a clinton political ad. Sanders was noticeably on the defensive at times. Meanwhile, listen to how clinton responded to that muchtalked about sanders closing spot. I think thats fabulous. I loved it. You campaign in poetry, you govern in prose. And we need a lot more poetry in this campaign and in our country. So, i applaud that. She was referring, of course, to the america ad our mistake for not showing that a little bit. That was a far cry, though, from how she spoke to iowa crowds just two weeks ago, when she took a lot of chances to take jabs at sanders for what she called were unrealistic campaign promises. I wish that we could elect a democratic president who could wave a magic wand and say, we shall do this, and we shall do that. That aint the real world were living in. But you can tell, the clinton camp has pulled back on some attacks. They havent stopped hugging president obama, though. Thats something she kept his policies very close to her last night and she seemed to be happy to embrace the warmth of his strong praise. In fact, clinton looked like a candidate with a lead that she wants to keep. And today, sanders seemed to concede that maybe she has the edge in iowa. Shes done this once before, we didnt. He has a very Strong Organization and i applaud her for that. We stand a real chance to create a large voter turnout. I doubt that it will be as high as 2008. Wish it was. But i dont think it will be. The latest polls from fox news has clinton with a sixpoint lead among likely caucusgoers. The clinton camp clearly has pulled something back. Perhaps sensing that derision was not working in the final days before caucus night. But the development follows a larger trend within the party itself. I have tried, as i hope you all know, not to run a negative campaign. And by the way, with a few exceptions, were doing a lot better than the republicans in that regard. But on the other hand, thats not a very high bar to reach, so. Sanders is right. Its actually amazing that in a race this close, we havent seen any negative ads on the democratic side. In fact, its the biggest difference between the two campaigns, republican and democrat. The race right now is so negative on the republican side, on tv. On the democratic side, its really only negative in your email inbox. Yes, there are conference calls, there are occasional sharp words from a surrogate. But with as close of a race as it is, its certainly remarkable we arent seeing the air waves flo flooded. So instead the advertisements getting the most attention today are coming from a conservative super pac who tried to stick their hand into the democratic race. Now bernies doubling down with medicare for all. Which is basically singlepayer, governmentsponsored health care. No big insurance companies, just more government spending. Paid for by raising taxes on wall street, big business, and the super rich. Senator Bernie Sanders, too liberal for iowa. So the group founded by republican donor and former Td Ameritrade boss, joe rickets, put out what is seemingly, frankly, a hamhanded attempt, i think, to bait democrats to support sanders, with just a few days to go. Will voters take it . And i have to say, i think this was a clear example of republican ad makers mistaking the idea that somehow democrats respond to the word liberal base voters the same way Republican Base voters respond to the word conservative. Trust me, they just dont know. Anyway, well hear from the sanders sigh and former ohio state senator, nina turner, in a moment. But first i want to bring in brian fallon. Let me start with what is and i dont think its just my observation, but the observation of others. Have you guys changed your tone in dealing with Bernie Sanders over the last few days . I dont think so, chuck. I think what youve seen is over the last couple of weeks, as the polls tightened in iowa and in New Hampshire, there was a natural degree of scrutiny that was being applied to senator sanders about issues like his record on guns, and hes had to explain some of his previous positions. Thats normal for somebody who is a viable contender for the democratic nomination, to encounter that. He still hasnt seemed to get his sea legs in terms of how he answers those questions. Last night at the forum, hosted by cnn, he continued to try to excuse his vote in 2003 and 2005, for immunity for gunmakers, by suggesting he voted for it, for the sake of child safety locks. That provision, however, wasnt in the bill in 2003. It was a straight immunity provision then. But, by and large, as you just noted in your hope, we have kept this on the issues, with a few exceptions on the sanders side. We, for our part, have kept it on the issues, and thats a natural and healthy thing and a stark contrast to what youre seeing on the republican side. It just seemed like a different Hillary Clinton last night, that she didnt seem to be as focused about Bernie Sanders records as she was eight days ago. In these closing days, the final consideration that we think will be on the minds of iowans is who can get the job done, who can get results . Who can translate the progressive values that senator sanders and secretary clinton both share into the hard work of governance, going up against a republican part that wants to repeal some of the signature achievements of this president. And i think as you heard president obama say yesterday, Hillary Clinton is uniquely suited to translate those progressive values into results. Speaking of, we had as i noted there, there havent been many negative tv ads against either one of you, except by this republican super pac, that apparently yi dont know whethe you view it as an attack ad for Bernie Sanders or a promise until spot. How do you view the ad . Its a very transparent attempt to boost senator sanders. The Republican Party has decided the candidate they dont want to face in a general election is Hillary Clinton. So you think that ad peappea to liberals, to progressives . As you noted, i think its a very hamhanded attempt to pull a mccaskill campaignstyle trick. Crafty, but in this case, they didnt pull it off as well as senator mccaskill did last time. Some of the imagery of the socalled rich people in that add are cartoonish. But, yes, i do think its designed to help animate the supporters of senator sanders. But interestingly, in the last couple of days, as you just played, hes now down playing his expectations that he actually stoked over the last few weeks. It was his campaign that predicted victory in iowa, and not very long, it was his campaign adviser, tad devine, that suggested they needed to perform very well there. Now theyre lowballing the expected turnout. I think that suggests that Hillary Clinton has momentum in the last few days. Let me ask you this, Hillary Clinton will not be in iowa for much of wednesday and much of thursday. Off the trail in iowa to do some fundraising. In the last week, should that raise some alarm bells to supporters, that you guys have some money, youre worried about money in the last week before the caucuses . No, chuck, we have events in iowa every day this week. I understand that, but youre off in the morning, basically gone for about a 36hour period there to raise money. Shell be the fact is the fact is shell be campaigning in iowa every day. She has events every day. And therell be other events that and other meetings that shes taking outside the state. But there wont be a day that shes not in iowa. All right. Brian fallen, ill leave it there. I know we have logistical issues and then some to work out next week, but i hopefully look forward to seeing you next thursday. Well, they certainly picked an esteemed moderator for that potential New Hampshire debate. All right, mr. Fallen, thank you, sir. Okay. Yesterday, sanders won an endorsement from justin bamberg, who serves as South Carolina state representative. And heres why its notable. Bamberg withdrew his support from Hillary Clinton to get behind sanders. But before there was bamberg, there was nina turner. Shes the former ohio state senator who broke away from clinton in november to back sanders. The former ohio state senator and sanders supporter nina turner joins me now. Miss turner, welcome to meet the press daily. Thank you, chuck. Let me ask you this, why did you switch . Well, chuck, people want to make a big deal about a switch, but for me, similar to the representative, this is really about heart soul agreement. And senator sanders, once you get to know him and hear his message, he really speaks to the needs of the people in this country. The people i serve and continue to serve. When he talks about increasing the minimum wage to 15 an hour, that people should have a living wage and live a good life. When he talks about Racial Justice in this country, those are the things that the people that i serve want to hear about. They want to hear about family paid leave. And they dont want to talk about incremental progress, as i know that the Clinton Campaign wants to talk about. When you poor, you dont want to hear an elected official talk about incremental. You want to hear an elected official stand up and say that poor people and middle class people in this country, have every right to live a good life. And as the next president of the United States of america, youre going to do everything it takes to make sure they can have that good life. You know, some clinton supporters hear Something Like that, and theyre like, you know, that sounds like you dont think president obama did enough. Or if you dont believe in this idea of building a pond, where president obama did, you believe that maybe he wasnt as successful to your term. Thats what some clinton supporters have pushed back on this idea of the entire sanders revolution. What do you say that . First, i was a delegate for president obama in 08 and in 2012, somebody that stumped in ohio, especially in 2012, when republicans changed the voting rules. Theres nobody thats been a greater champion for the president of the United States than i have in the great state of iowa. But let me tell you this. S aspi. Theres no way we can go from yes, we can, no, we cant. And thats what the Clinton Campaign is promoting. This is not an indictment on the president of the United States of america. I regret that some folks are trying to drive a wedge between senator sanders vision and all that president obama has accomplished, but within the administration, the next person that is coming behind you should want to aspire to do something greater and take us further. And that is what senator sanders is trying to do. And chuck, we would not be the United States of america that we are today if people wanted to go incrementally. I wouldnt my people wouldnt be free today if folks wanted to go incrementally based on the status quo. Women would not have the right to vote today if we wanted to be incremental. I would not be on your program today. I would probably be somewhere cooking today, as a domestic, if people wanted to go incrementally. So i think what is in the heart and soul of americans is the whole notion that we aspire for greater things. That it is not a radical idea to want people to have universal health care or for folks to have their College Education paid for in this country, so they can live out their greatest greatness. So, chuck, this is not an indictment on president obama, but this is about a senator that has a vision that takes what the president has done to the next level. You know, on a Campaign Strategy front, the reason the Clinton Campaign feels so defendant in the long run is they believe that theyre going to win a lions share of the africanamerican vote. Obviously, for senator sanders to win this nomination, hes going to have to get better acquainted in africanamerican communities, all around this country, particularly those early Southern States that come in the primary calendar sooner. How does he do that . Obviously, you believe he. How does he do that. Doing what he does right now, with the africanamerican community, he has surrogates like myself, he is working to own the vote. Theres no doubt, hes a senator from vermont. He does not have the benefit of a national profile. There is no doubt about that. But i will tell you this about senator sanders, hes not going to take the black vote for granted. And i find it amazing that there is no other ethnic group folks are talking about that are already locked up. Folks need to earn the africanamerican vote, just like they would do with any other ethnic group. You have to earn our vote, you dont own our vote. Hes doing the things that are necessary to continue to earn that vote like anybody else that is running for office should have to. Nina turner, a surrogate for the Sanders Campaign, you bring a lot of passion. Thanks for coming on, appreciate it. Thank you, chuck. Later, were going to dig deep into the Sanders Campaign origin story. Find out which chapter of his past best predicts what a Bernie Sanders presidency would look like. Heres a hint, were going to his days when he was an executive. Its part of our special series, the making of a candidate. But first, a leap of faith. What Donald Trumps new evangelical endorsement means for the entire republican field. This is mtp daily. Well be right back. These are the hands that build the machines, the machines that sort, stack and seal. These are the hands that keep private information private. These are the hands of pitney bowes, the craftsmen of commerce. These are the hands that dig for opportunity, identify patterns, and uncover risk. 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The biggest overall spender in the hawkeye state, team bush. The super pac supporting bush has aired nearly 15 million worth of ads in iowa. Try to find out how many of them are against cruz and trump. Team rubio comes in second in overall spending there with nearly 12 million. Again, how many of it aired against trump or cruz. The two republicans actually leading in iowa have spent far less. Trump has shelled out 3. 3 million in iowa ads, while cruz has spent about 6 million. Clinton has spent about 9 million. One of the biggest differences when it comes to ads, the content. The clinton and Sanders Campaigns arent really running negative ads this iowa, but the republicans and super pacs supporting them, theyre absolutely running attack ads. Weve got much more on the nastier tenor of the republican rays coming up on mtp daily right after this short break. My moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis made a simple trip to the Grocery Store anything but simple. 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Its less than a week until the Iowa Caucuses, and donald trump appears to be in clear command of the race. Potentially. A new quinnipiac poll of what they say are likely Iowa Republican voters has trump on top with 31 of the vote. Two points ahead of ted cruz. Cruz, of course, is pulling out all the stops to try to close the gap and the campaign is up with another direct attack ad on trump, repeating his new york values critique. I mean, hey, i only have been in new york city and manhattan my whole life, so my views are a little bit different than if id lived in iowa. They are different, like on abortion. I am prochoice in every respect. And what does trump think about iowa . How stupid are the people of iowa . Donald trump, new york values, not ours. Lots of trumps 1999 meet the press interview is in that ad. That ad is airing in iowa, along with three antitrump ad from the cruzs meet the candidate ad. Stop trump in iowa before its too little. In fact, the Christian Broadcasting Networks david brody obtained this video of cruz making this exact pitch to a group of iowa pastors. But i will say right now between donald and me, this is neck and neck. It is an absolute dead heat. And if donald wins iowa, he has a substantial lead in New Hampshire. If uh he went on to win New Hampshire as well, theres a very good chance he could be unstoppable and be our nominee. The bad news for cruz on that front, trump announced an endorsement from a key evangelical leader, Jerry Falwell jr. , one of the biggest names in the evangelical community. And unlike Hillary Clinton in the democratic side, trump isnt shy about rubbing an endorsement in an opponents face. He got a head start earlier today on morning joe. Look, we have a very powerful endorsement coming down today, but so many people want to endorse us because they say, ted cruz, hes wacky. Theres something missing there, there is something theres something wrong. And its wonderful to be a rebel, but youve got to get some people on your side a little bit. Heres a guy with all of the republican senators sitting out there, he deals with them every day, when hes there. He deals with them every day, and he doesnt have one senator supporting him, not one republican senator supporting him. Its pretty sad. So thats the challenge for ted cruz, who was on the trail this morning, with former republican candidate and a trump casualty, rick perry. It is hard to get votes when your pitch to voters is, not vote for someone else. Now, cruz talked to the press at one of his iowa stops today and he had this quote about what he called campaign conservatives. You know, every candidate can talk a good game on the trail. And we are so frustrated with campaign conservatives, people who tell us what they want to hear, but then go to washington and dont do what they said. Every one of us have been burned by politicians who havent followed through. Joining me now, Ken Cuccinelli. Youve been before in this role. Welcome back, sir. Good to see you. So Jerry Falwell jr. Is an important evangelical leader in your home state of virginia. Is it not an important endorsement for donald trump to be touting . You know, sure, you expect donald trump to tout it. I think its probably more significant to have governor perry campaigning with ted cruz, who is, frankly, beloved by evangelical community. And he was in this i think went against him . I dont know, he does unpredictable things, much like donald trump does unpredictable things, and i think you can add this to the list, but the biggest number of all, you put the poll up thats really within the margin of error, and the biggest number of all isnt talked much about. And thats about a third of voters in iowa are still undecided. If they brake for one candidate or the other, that candidate wins. Its an interesting new pitch ive not heard from cruz. Ive heard it from every other candidate. Got to stop trump. If you want to stop trump, you better do it in iowa. Thats not an affirmative message these days. And for a long time, ted cruz has been an affirmative message guy. Theres no question that his appeal is his consistent conservative history applied to policy. Whether its Foreign Policy, x taxation, protecting life and so forth. Something that contrasts very well with donald trump, but as you note, hes basically stating reality here to people. Hes not denying it. We conservatives like to think we face reality, even if we dont necessarily appreciate it. You believe if trump gets airborne in iowa, hes going to be hard to stop. Whenever anybody gets momentum, theyre always harder to stop. He does have a lead in New Hampshire. It appears that either its either neck i think neck and neck is the best way to characterize iowa. So this race changes dramatically depending who wins iowa. Hes got another key endorsement, sheriff joe arpaio, who for many conservative s who find immigration their most important issue, he is sort of a fixture in that community and hes with trump and not cruz. But i dont think he move miss ios many iowa voters. He is a fascination for those of us in the rest of the country, but never an influencer. So i dont think that one makes a big difference. I think what is going to finish this race out for cruz is, they have built a machine on the ground there. And an awful lot of us, of every stripe, myself included, are going just from phone bank to door knock and they are targeting well. Ive spoke to those in iowa who are with cruz and without cruz, and their the ground game is very strong and thats a powerful tool to bring you bear. Bob doles at it again. Let me tell you what he said today in another interview with michael smerconish. He said, i dont think ted is a republican. Hes a conservative extremist. And he adds, if it comes down to cruz and trump, im a big trump support. Do you think the more dole talks against cruz, that that helps cruz or hurts him . Well, i mean, ted is running against institutional washington. And bob dole, personifies institutional washington. Its what ted calls the washington cartel. I think you ask a good question. And i think bob dole plays in to the campaign that ted has been running since march. I mean, this is not a new turn for him. This is what hes been doing all along. And one of teds strengths is his consistent conservatism. And bob dole doesnt like that. Will iowa voters reagan either. Will iowa voters believe trumps an insider . They hes not an insider, but hes been dealing with all of them, including on the democratic side, donating repeatedly. What they wont believe is that hes somehow antihillary all of a sudden, after loving up on her for so long. And the biggest number, i think, in the polling, other undecideds, is the fact that consistently for weeks now, cruz beats hillary, trump loses to hillary. All right, Ken Cuccinelli on behalf of the cruz campaign, good to see you, sir. Coming up, john kasichs Kinetic Energy in New Hampshire. The governor joins us later this hour to talk about what certainly looks like to us as real momentum, potentially on the ground in the granite state. Plus, making the candidate. A flashback to the 80s that could forecast what the country would look like if Bernie Sanders became chief executive. Keep it right here. The biggest challenge for Business Today is not competition, its protecting customer trust. Every day you read headlines about governments and businesses being hacked, emails compromised, and intellectual property being stolen. That is cybercrime, and it affects each and every one of us. Microsoft created the digital crimes unit to investigate and fight cyber crime. 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Its not the first time that ive gotten carried away and said something that i later apologized for. It doesnt happen often, but it happens. What i was objecting to both on sunday, monday, and i object to today is any, any type of characterization of what happened in jonas here to be anywhere near what happened in sandy. Okay. So that was governor christie at a News Conference in trenton, new jersey, today reacting to criticism hes received about making these comments about storm damage in new jersey at a New Hampshire town hall yesterday. I heard some people actually, you know, compare it to sandy. I heard one crazy mayor down in south jersey say, this is worse flooding than sandy, what do you expect me to do . Go down there with a mop . Christie has apologized to the mayor he called crazy. He sent representatives to survey damage on the jersey shore and returned to new jersey for previously scheduled meeting on atlantic city. 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In his first year in office, by the way, 11 of the 13 alderman, democrats and republicans opposed everything sanders did. In the next election, sanders ran progressive candidates, socalled sanderistas against the democrats on the counsel and won enough seats for veto power. There is one city in america where people have taken on the democratic party, the Republican Party, big business, the local newspaper, and the whole damned establishment and we beat em. Some things never change, right . More than a thousand hours of tape, by the way, exist from sanders time as mayor, thanks to a Public Access tv show he hosted called bernie speaks. In this moment from 1987, sanders interviews several musicians who joined him to record a folk album called, we shall overcome. The economic message will sound very familiar. Weve doubled the number of billionaires in the last year, okay . Youve got some people one guys wealth group by 4 billion. One guy. Now worth 8 billion. Okay . Youve got people sleeping out all over the streets, all over america, okay . How come musicians arent writing about that . How quaint, when somebody was worth just 4 billion. He boasts in his memoirs, in burlington, he outrepublicaned the republicans, auditing the citys Pension System for the first time in 25 years and fixing city streets. On the trail, especially for africanamerican audiences, sanders touts his efforts to reform the police department. I was, as you all know, the mayor of burlington, vermont, for eight years. And in that capacity, worked very, very hard with our police department. And got to know many of our Police Officers and worked hard to reform our police department. We moved towards what you Call Community policing. The chairman of the police commission, one of the wealthiest men in the state, became an unlikely ally in 1987. U. S. News world report named sanders one of the countrys 20 best mayors. Still, sanders critics ridicules his leftist Foreign Policy in 1985. He traveled to nicaragua at the behest of the sanderista government. When he came back, he praised both the sandersista and the castro government. More support than Ronald Reagan has among the american people. Everybody was totally convinced that castro was the worst guy in the world. All the cuban people were going to rise up in rebellion against fidel castro. They forgot he educated them and gave them health care and totally transformal transformed. Garrett nelson is a longtime sanders watcher. Welcome, professor nelson. Hello, chuck. I think we got the answer to what did a mayor sanders do when he ran into problems facing both parties, republicans and democrats. He just went and ran against them. So i take it thats what we should assume would happen if a president sanders ran into a gridlock and a roadblock with congress in his first year in office . Hard to do. Very hard to do. And once again, weve god two parties, both have been around for two centuries for the democrats and 150 for the republicans. Yeah, its going to be hard to do that. Jimmy carter tried it, tries to speak over the head of congress, to the people, and it didnt quite work. So, hes going to have to make some adjustments, make some sort of peace with at least the democrats. As an executive, when he was mayor of burlington, how did he handle, when things pop up that werent what he campaigned on, right . That werent what he was focused on. Obviously, Economic Justice has been sort of the connective tissue for Bernie Sanders, the politician, for decades now. But not everything had to do with Economic Justice, as mayor of burlington. How did he handle those moments . One of the things about bernies thats fascinating, bernie brought into burlington locals who are extraordinarily talented. The people around bernie, you know, most burlingtonians, were really, really eager to have a chance to run the city. And they did so in an extraordinary way. They were very successful. The city has won multiple accolades, by the last count, 67 accolades since 2000 that burlington has achieved. And this is after bernie has left as mayor. So bernie totally changed the way in which the city operated and how people regarded themselves in the city. I came into burlington in 1968 and i can tell you, it was a sleepy community and, you know, we had to go down to middlebury to find a good bookstore and a good restaurant. But bernies transformation of the city was remarkable. And the city remains remarkable today. So youre basically saying, the burlington of today, that the godfather of that city is Bernie Sanders . You got it. Put it this way, i was not always willing to accept that denotation, but i would have to say that now. Because the people he brought into City Government were incredibly creative and talented and we got an arts council and a youth council, and ag councils and womens councils. And they basically really just transformed the city. Really made this city as open as possible to the citizenry. Now, you have to understand that before bernie came, there was a very serious effort to sort of yupify burlington, push the poor people out of the city, into the surrounding communities, build highrise, condos, very expensive dwellings. But bernie prevented that from happening. And he really made the waterfront park, if youve been to burlington, beautiful, as they say, its accessible to the citizens. And he really made sure that the people of lower, middle, and lower income were not pushed out of the city. Not priced out of the housing, and he just just remarkable, what he did. As i said, weve been somewhat skeptical of bernie over the years, but in retrospect, he made the difference. Wow, whofprofessor nelson, appreciate you sharing your insight on Bernie Sanders and his one time being an executive. Thank you very much. Well continue our making of a candidate series in the coming weeks, so stay tuned. All of the eight or so relevant candidates left in this race, were all going to look at some part of their background thats not quite at the forefront, that may tell us a lot about what kind of president they could be. Still to come tonight, well check in with president ial contender john kasich about what appears to be a recent rise in New Hampshire. Plus, the five ws of todays candidates, including why rand pauls 2016 run just got a little more interesting, and were not talking the white house here. Well be right back. I built my business with passion. But i keep it growing by making every dollar count. Thats why i have the spark cash card from capital one. I earn unlimited 2 cash back on everything i buy for my studio. 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In late december, he held an iowa event that only had one person show up in bad weather, but at the time, the lone attendee said he wasnt sure who hed back. Politico reports hes made up his mind, and hes for omalley. Now to the where, its vatican city. Thats where iranian president hassan rouha Hassan Rouhani visited pope francis earlier today. The two talked for 40 minutes on middle east peace efforts. Now to the when, its here on msnbc tomorrow night, my colleague Rachel Maddow is hosting a town hall in flint, michigan, to discuss the water crisis there with residents and their firsthand challenges. Now to the why. Lexington, kentucky, mayor set up a faceoff. As for the why, pauls focus is still on the president ial race, but gray is a credible enough democratic challenger to make paul sweat a little bit. The kentucky gop changed its rules last year, so paul could run for two offices at once in 2016. Well, less than a week before iowa, the republican establishment seems flummoxed as ever. Jeb bush stuck in Single Digits in polling, marco rubio in low double digits with Jeb Bush Still attacking him. Well check in with john kasich in New Hampshire. Well be right back. If youre looking to save money on your Medicare Part d prescriptions, walgreens says, carpe med diem. Seize the day to get more out of life and Medicare Part d. Just switch to walgreens for savings thatll be the highlight of your day. Now preview the cost of your copay before you fill. You can even get onedollar copays on select plans. How long have you had your Car Insurance . I ask because i had mine for over 20 years before i switched and saved hundreds with the aarp Auto Insurance program from the hartford. I had done a lot of comparison shopping. The rate was like half of what i was paying. 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We said it before, Ohio Governor john kasich seems to be playing by john mccains 1999 playbook, and that strategy might be playing some dividends. Just take a look. Kasich is now in third place in the most recent Boston Herald Franklin Pierce poll. Hes jumped six points since october. Kasich scored more endorsements, two big new england papers, boston globe and the concord monitor. Now, well see how much newspaper editorials matter to republican primary voters, but theres something happening. Joining me now on the phone is governor john kasich. We keep meeting again like this, but i have to say, i keep seeing newspaper editorials. I keep saying, its incremental progress. Do you feel it . Chuck, i dont want know what poll youre talking about, but weve got like seven of them and six of them, im in second place. Second or third. But in all of them, the trend line seems to be in the right direction for you. What is a good night for now . Im sorry. Didnt hear that. Im on the bus. You said what is what now . What is a good night for you in New Hampshire . You always have the story, but are you feeling good . You guys will talk about, youll talk about, you know, start saying how i did. Listen, were on this magic tour bus. I can barely hear you. I think we have it straightened out now. I think we have to come out of here where you say wow, kasich does well, drives me into the national consciousness. As you know, im not wellknown, but Getting Better known all the time. Do you have, look one of the concerns, ive heard from some of the establish. Donors is that okay, we like kasi kasich, we like christy, but rubio and bush have more of a National Organization to build coming out of New Hampshire than kasich or christy what do you say to that . I dont think they know. We have people on the ground in South Carolina, we have people on the ground in nevada. As you know, trent lot is heading my effort in mississippi, the governor in alabama. Signed up our state chairman in louisiana. Doing well in michigan. Over 30 ballots. I mean, look, chuck, they said i wouldnt get in the race, they said i wont raise the money, they said i wouldnt get into the debate. They said i wouldnt make it to New Hampshire. Who are these people . Yeah, well, i dont know who the they are, but they stay anonymous until they think theyre right at the end. I gotcha. Were fine. Were having a great time. All right. Ill leave it there. Are we going to see you in iowa before the caucuses or no . Yeah im going to be there for the debate. Im coming in tomorrow, and ill be there for the debate and the day after. So ill be around. All right. Well see you in iowa as well. Gov floor kasich, thanks for checking in with us. Thank you. Well be back with the round table and the lid. With creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and university partnerships, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. 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Let me start with you. Cruz and trump are the frontrunners by a lot. Theyve spent a lot on this ad. Theyre still doing it. Rubio trying to fund raise today with an email saying hes been the subject of 20 million of attack ads. Hes right by the way. Interesting thing going back to the kasich interview, you have this lane trying to play second in New Hampshire. You have this warfare between the rubio and bush people. If they can get into second, they can if kasich plays spoiler, i dont think rubio or bush gets out. The establishment side of the gop continues through super tuesday. Molly, is he right . I think the same thing. I think thats where theyre headed. Nobody gets out of New Hampshire. Ive been talking to some jeb donor today, and their feeling is the trump people and cruz people are fought gettable. Why go after them. The f you look at a national poll, the trump and cruz people are 50 but you just said, thats why you go after them. Why do you rob banks. Thats where the money is. But, theyre a also involved in a suicide pact. Theyre more credible against each other with that particular segme segment. Vote than rubio would be. Siri aside there. Why not trump and cruz. You can tell we cant handle the iphone. Why go after, then youre not getting the nomination. End of story, period. Thats right. If you dont think theyre gettable. This contest does go on past nume New Hampshire. I always remember bill clinton up there declaring himself the come back kid, gave the impression of victory. A lot of people think he won it years later. But he did not. So a lot of this can become a spend game. I just wonder, matthew, and ive noticed, there is resent mentbuilding in both cams about the other. How much of this is some of it is bitterness. Starting to come in. Rowe wrote about this. Saying the rubio people blame bush for trump. So youre going to have all of these recriminations taking place. If trump does do his scenario where he wins iowa and New Hampshire, the establishment is going to be left with nothing but recriminations and playing the blame game. It is intriguing. Lets shift to ted cruz here. I think its fascinating, i might be the only person that can stop trump. That is he used to not he wanted to be an affirmative guy. Hes saying, well, thats a tough case to make at the end. It means youre losing momentum. I think he does know hes losing momentum. That was clear. At the same time, thats an argument that plays very well to all of the people who read that National Review cover story, right. A large contingent of conservative policy intellectuals, i think a National Review subscriber in iowa. Looking for a true conservative. There are two Republican Bases, right. A Republican Base that really believes in and then there is the attitude and the resecruz trying to get the other one. Apparently no room for the establishment. Interesting development here of the establishment, especially to be remarkably hallow. A lot of individual republicans out there, in other words, true conservatives who dont want to shake everything up like the trump folks do. And thats the big segment of the gop that we havent really seen assert themselves much lately. Jeb bush was depending on it. I can tell you in the quinnipiac poll, they had a very large contingent. If its high, trump wins. If its back to normal, cruz wins. Any way, thank you all. Well be back with more on mtp daily. Whi im mark halperin, the republican field, good to have rick perry back in iowa. If feels right. It smells right, and it is right. Hello, from what we call the center of the political universe, at least for another week. Were here in iowa, bloomberg politics, with all due respect politics. Less than a week to go before the president ial caucuses. Today, candidates of both