Likely the influence of the new Chief Of Staff here, Retired General john kelly who has been clear, trying to send a signal there is a new sheriff in town. That hes not going to tolerate discord and some of these tweets that are off message. But will we see this over the course of time . That remains to be seen. Weve had sort of the pockets of the president being very restrained when it comes to his messaging. I think when it comes to the relationship on capitol hill and this next battle that you talk about, the challenges, not only do you have republicans, conservatives like jeff flake speaking out, obviously hes been critical of candidate trump all the way back to the campaign trail, but republicans just dont seem that afraid of him. Thats why you have Lisa Murkowski saying im going to vote against you in the health care fight. How does he get republicans on board to get tax reform done . The reality may be that theyre looking at tax cuts, because they dont have that big, broad
support and they didnt get Health Care Reform passed. Very quickly, im curious, was there any chatter, you know, off camera or any chatter that hey, this President Plans to make jeff flake pay a political price in 2018 . Any of that chatter today . I think theres not that chatter today. There was more of a dismissing jeff flake today say thing is someone who has always been critical of the president. Were not going to worry about him. But more broadly, thats the direction the president could go in as we get closer to 2018, not just against jeff flake but others who have been critical from him. The lack of response from him, that is very mature way to respond. So kasie, you talked to any member you could find today, none of them willing to back up jeff flake. Is he a man on an island, or a man on a public island, but if there were a private island, he
would have a lot of company . I think he has a lot of company on his private island, but nobody wants to be seen showing up by private plane on the island. I spoke to a number of republicans today. You saw there john cornyn responding hey, are you afraid of President Trump . They all insist that theyre not, but there is this pervasive fear of President Trump. I think thats driving a lot of these dynamics. Look at the actual on paper progress that this congress has made on behalf of President Trump. Theyre ignoring his plea to take up health care again. Mit and theyre ignoring his frustration with jeff flake. We have a new statement tonight that unequivocally says the nrsc
supporting senator flake, as we do all of our incumbent members. So theyre Still Standing by him. I know you just caught up with him. Tell me about the quick interview you just had with jeff flake. So i talked to him about this. One thing i will say, chuck, to what kristen was saying about the white house not responding, this has been a longtime critic, senator flake has been a little taken aback by the level of focus on what he had to say. I think hes been a little bit hes not said used the same strong words that he used in the oped in the book on camera necessarily. But he did have one noteworthy statement. Talking about populism and the president s impact on the country. Take a look. Populism is you can win elections with it. Its popular, its populism. But its not a governing philosophy. Its kind of a sugar high. And if you continue in that vein, well lose elections. Reporter i think its noteworthy that i didnt use the word populism in a question, he brought that up on his own by himself. Look, i think flake also is confident that mcconnell will stand by him. He said hey, look, i have one tough reelections in arizona before. Thank you both. And kristen, give a special shutout to dennis gaffney. I think this is his last live shot on our show today. It is indeed, chuck. We just had some cupcakes, toasting him for an incredible legacy. He did plenty of my live shots and made me look less ugly than normal. Makes us all look good, thats for sure. Hes smiling from ear to ear right now. Thank you both. Let me bring in my panel. Welcome all. This feels like we are the canary in the coal mine with jeff flake. We criticize politicians all the time for not taking a risk. Hes doing this, arizona. Hes putting his political career on the line with his criticism. No one can say hes not doing that. I believe that. I believe he saw something in the tea leaves three or four months ago when he started writing the book, which that trump has hated him since the fall of 2015. They had a confrontation in a meeting and flake told him his behavior was appalling, and trump said i really hope you lose. And flake said im not up next year. And there are noises about some of them primarying him in arizona, and whether flake would find himself in the race of his
life and trump would be winking and nodding for people to vote for his opponent. He may think he has nothing to lose. But having said this, this was an extraordinary thing he did, and he is reflecting opinion inside the Republican Party about opinions expressed freely during 2016. Trump has brought the same spirit from the campaign to the presidency, and as haste weeks hijinks with Anthony Scaramucci indicate, that is a terrifying thing for anybody who wants the country to be managed effectively. Not just scaramucci, but the failure to pass a health care bill, which is a sign of not only his weakness, the president s weakness. He cant scare murkowski, collins and mccain for voting
for the health care bill, hes not its not that hes a lame duck. Hes pretty lame for somebody only seven months into office. Thats a bunch of other quotes here and in some ways he blames the voice. Weve given into politics of anger. These are the spasms of a dying party. Anger and resentment and blaming groups of our people might work in the short term, but its a dangerous impulse in a pluralistic society. The state of arizona gave us joe arpaio. The Republican Party there has always been schizophrenic, its given us john mccain and jeff flake, and then back in the day evan meekum. He really is putting himself and this issue front and center. Were one of the last states to recognize the king holiday. The reality is, you have to ask
yourself what was Donald Trumps crime in the minds of republican elites. Jeff flake has voted 95. 5 with donald trump. The predictive score is he would have voted with trump about 61 of the time. So this is not a difference in content or what they want to do. It is really to me about the gap between the text and the s subtext. If donald trump committed a crime among republican elites, he made the longterm subtext if youve been listening to right wing talkradio, the same anger and rage and anger at the changes in the country, the same sort of, you know, sometime vulgarity existed. Its just that elites in the Republican Party didnt accept that as the way to market the party to the world. Donald trump recognized better
than they did that he could simply identify with the text of what people were saying on talkradio or listening to when they heard rush limbaugh, the anger and rage they felt all the time, the Political Correctness and the i cant say these things, trump said yes, you can, or i can say them for you. All trump did is take a lot of the anger already there. Trump is just making it open and obvious, and the republican elites cant stand it. They want to get rid of medicaid. Trumps instinct is to say thats mean. Trump knows more about the Republican Base than jeff flake does. She brought up an interesting point. How does Jeff Flake Square voting with him . What is that line its clear jeff flakes problem is more in character than anything else. Jeff flake is essentially
doing what donald trump is doing, except in reverse, which is making a statement about what he sees the values and the tone of the Republican Party should be. Donald trump has a tone that he thinks should be the tone of the Republican Party. Jeff flake, he reminded me of mitt romney. Ever use the phrase compassionate conservative . When Mitch Mcconnell brings forward a bill, of course jeff flake is going to vote for that. Donald trump has no policy ideology. He doesnt have any policies he wants to advance. He was brazen and bold saying i dont think people care about policy on the campaign trail. So yes, jeff flake is going to vote with the policies. Jeff flake is a conventional republican conservative. Donald trump is an unconventional, nonrepublican, nonconservative. And most of the base of the
Republican Party agreed with donald trump. And they also agree with jeff flake. They like trump, they have no trouble with flakes Voting Record or no problem with the way flake views things. How does this play out . Its about character and behavior. If that mattered, donald trump would not have been the nominee of the Republican Party. He ran against the tin dolls of the beltway media. He ran against marco rubio you said trump is nice on medicaid. No, no, i said he understands the base of your party better than the e heat lites do. Its not my party. The elites of the Republican Party thinks that the base agrees on eviscerating medicaid. Donald trump understands the base of the party is fine with big government, as long as theyre the beneficiaries. [ Overlapping Speakers ] donald trump gets them and the
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their Chief Of Staff. Im joined now by leon panetta. I dont know what to say. I need the chief title today, sir. Its which ever one you want to use, chuck. Normally its secretary panetta. You will love this lead. This was in the New York Times the day you started. The announcement came at a time which mr. Clinton is being strongly buffeted by Political Cross Currents Home and abroad. His stam his Health Reform effort is being picked apart in congress and hes increasingly being accused of indecisiveness in foreign affairs. So you do know what john kelly is going through. Oven
obviously, theres some differences between perhaps the public discipline of donald trump and bill clinton. But lets focus on the similarities. Explain what you think john kelly is going through right now that you remember. Well, i think the big challenge is to walk into the white house and really be able to get your arms around the operations within the white house. Its really critical that he establish relationships first and foremost, obviously with the president. There has to be a relationship of trust between the president and the Chief Of Staff. Now, in addition to that, hes got to be able to establish a relationship with the staff thats there, and make them understand that hes going to be Chief Of Staff, and that theyre going to have to go through him. So i think the real challenge for john right now is to be able to put in place elements of
discipline, a strong Chain Of Command, the ability to develop some kind of orderly process or policy. Those are the big challenges that he faces from the getgo. Now, you had to create a personal rapport with bill clinton that wasnt there in the beginning, because you were a washington and california guy, with an arkansas democrat. And youre brought in to fix things. On one hand, you have a Honeymoon Period. How much advice do you give to john kelly saying if you got tough decisions to make, make as many as you can in the first couple of weeks. How do you basically take advantage of your Honeymoon Period with your boss . Well, its very important that first and foremost that john kelly and the president understand each other in what needs to be done. And that the president is willing to delegate that
authority to his new Chief Of Staff. That has to take place. Bill clinton understood the problems that were in the white house. He was willing to delegate authority to me as Chief Of Staff, to be able to reorganize the white house and develop the kind of Chain Of Command. That was important there. So the most important ingredient is to have a president who is willing not only to give you the authority you need, but is willing to back you up and to trust you in that process. Thats going to be fundamental to john kellys ability to be able to get his job done. You dont have just a unique insight of the job. John kelly, i believe he was one of your chief Military Aides during part of your tenure at the pentagon. What is a skillset that he has that you wish you had going into being Chief Of Staff . Well, i do know john. He was my Military Aide when i was secretary of the department
of defense. Hes a tough marine. He understands what discipline is all about. He understands what a strong Chain Of Command is all about. He understands what an orderly process is all about. He understands that you have to stay focused on accomplishing the mission. Those are all important ingredients that go to his experience as a marine. Those are good qualities. I think the important thing hes going to have to pick up on is the politics of operating within the white house. The politics of understanding where the staff is, what the relationships are, and also the politics of dealing with capitol hill. Because in the end, if this president is going to survive, it isnt just have just to change your Chief Of Staff. You have to get some things done for the country and the Chief Of Staff is going to be very important to whether or not that happens. Before i let you go, there are two developments on the International Front that i want to get you take on. Secretary tillerson made sort of the most remarks hes made yet about north korea and he said the following in a briefing to reporters. He said he wants a dialogue with north korea, he doesnt want regime change. He said we are not the enemy, but they are threatening us. Were not asking for reunification of the peninsula. Hes trying to send a message they want to talk, negotiate. Does et seem to be a contradiction of where we were headed before . Frankly, i am confused to what is our policy when it comes to north korea and that leadership. Well, thats the first thing that i think the administration has to focus on is one of the things that john kelly and general mcmaster are going to have to focus on is what is the strategy here . Obviously, there has to be containment. Obviously, we have to be tough in terms of our military presence. Obviously, we have to be tough in terms of making clear that
the north koreans cannot develop an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile that could threaten our country, and we have to take strong steps to deal with that. But at the same time, we have to reach out diplomatically to see whether there is an opportunity to engage in negotiations. But its going to take both efforts. You need a Strong Military effort. You need a strong diplomatic effort. If theres going to be any hope of dealing with north korea. And theres been some reports, there was Washington Post report and no final decision, but the State Department is thinking about editing the Mission Statement that would eliminate of promoting democracy, essentially promoting Democratic Values around the world. Are you concerned about that . Some could argue that American Foreign policy has to be more realistic and pragmatic, so take that out of the mission. What say you . Americas diplomacy in the
world has been based on our values and our Principle Value is our respect for our democracy, our freedoms, and our ability to be able to engage in selfgovernment. Those are the critical features of what makes us a strong country in the world, what makes us the world leader. If we eliminate reference to democracy, if we limit reference to the basic freedoms and liberties that are critical, not only for our country but the rest of the world, then i think it undermines our ability to exert world leadership. It makes us weaker. So you would advise Secretary Tillerson dont make any changes to this . Dont mess with that. You dont need to mess with that. What you need to do is to get more diplomats in the State Department to do the job that you have to do, which is to reach out to the world and engage in diplomatic relationships that can help our country provide security to the world. Secretary panetta, wish we had more time with you. But appreciate you coming on and sharing your views, sir. Good to be with you, chuck. Still ahead, why a power grab in venezuela could have a Significant Impact on our politics at home, coming up next. This is the new guy . Hello, my name is watson. You know wine, huh . I know that you should check Vineyard Block 12. Block 12 . My analysis of Satellite Imagery shows it would benefit from decreased irrigation. I was wondering about that. Easy boy. Nice doggy. What do you think . Not bad. Victoza® lowers blood sugar in three ways. And while it isnt for weight loss, victoza® may help you lose some weight. Noninsulin victoza® comes in a pen and is taken once a day. announcer victoza® is not recommended as the first medication to treat diabetes and is not for people with Type 1 Diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. Do not take victoza® if you have a personal or Family History of medullary thyroid cancer, multiple Endocrine Neoplasia Syndrome type 2, or if you are allergic to victoza® or any of its ingredients. Stop taking victoza® and call your doctor right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck or if you develop any allergic symptoms including itching, rash, or difficulty breathing. Serious side effects may happen, including pancreatitis, so stop taking victoza® and call your doctor right away if you have severe pain in your stomach area. Tell your doctor your medical history. Taking victoza® with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. The most common side effects are headache, nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting. Side effects can lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems. Nows the time for a better moment of proof. Ask your doctor about victoza®. I promised you some quick Christopher Wray news. The three senators didnt vote at all, mccain, al franken and richard burr. The five democratic no votes, the oregon delegation and the massachusetts delegation. So there you have it. Coming up, the trump administrations own version of fake news. Well be right back. About my culture. I put the gele on my head and i looked into the mirror and i was trying not to cry. Because its a hat, but its like the most important hat ive ever owned. Discover the story only your dna can tell. Order your kit now at ancestrydna. Com. Hes happy. Ts with him . Your familys finally eating vegetables thanks to our Birds Eye Voila skillet meals. And they only take 15 minutes to make. Ahh Birds Eye Voila so veggie good
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sent of cuba but heavily influenced by it. So you have the belief in florida that what meduro is doing and what chavez before him was doing is destabilizing the region. What were starting to see in florida is more and more of an influx of expats coming here from venezuela. And the latest wave are the venezuelans. Theres at least 117,000 who now live here. It grew that much between 2000 and 2012. Its probably about 36,000 venezuelan born voters on the florida voter rolls. And lets remember the way this works. This is basically this new exodus out of venezuela began with hugo chavez, and obviously its been accelerated with meduro. But the venezuelans that have come over, they were the ones that had the means to do it,
that had the connections to do it. So almost by the definition, these new venezuelan residents and soon perhaps to be voters and citizens, they come in extraordinarily engaged in the political process as it is, which i assume makes them more persuasive to the marco rubios and bill wells. Of the 35,000 venezuelan born voters in florida, their turnout rate in the last election was 80 . The rest of the state was 75 . But its an up for grabs lector cat. Of them 17,000, about half, are registered as independent voters. About 12,000 are register eed a democrat, 6,000 registered as republicans. They appear to lean a little more left than the right. But its not clear which way they broke right or left, and they seem to be up for grabs and both parties are trying to grab them. I have noticed in my visiting back home pockets of the influence of venezuelan exiles and venezuelan culture. But is it are you starting to see larger communities being built in South Florida just from the same way we have a little havana, were going to have a little caracas. Youre not quite seeing that, but the city of dural where donald trump has his golf course, but its fick named duraluela. Youre seeing these bigger pockets grow in influence and numbers. Youre going to see more and more of that as the Meduro Regime appears to crack down more and more. One of the lessons from cuba, if
youre going to do sanctions, dont expect them to change a dictator or a regimes behavior, do it because you think its necessarily the right thing to do. But i dont have much faith, considering our cuban history, in venezuela or meduro changing his behavior to the degree we want it to change. And is history repeating itself, where the people that can make the change in venezuela are fleeing and then comes here. You know, mao said all political power comes from the barrel of a gun, and meduro is intent on exercising that political power right now. Mark, a pleasure to have you on. Still ahead, why so many statements by this administration require a sequel. The at t network is helping First Responders connect with medical teams in near real time. Stay with me, mr. Parker. Saving time when it matters most. Stay with me, mrs. Parker. Thats the power of and. Done. Rs. Supercool notebooks. Done. Thats mom taking care of business. But who takes care of mom . Office depot office max. This week, filler paper just one cent with five dollar minimum purchase. Taking care of business. With pantene 3 minute miracle daily conditioner. S. A super concentrated prov formula makes hair stronger in just 3 minutes. So its smoother every day. Because strong is beautiful. Welcome back. Tonight, im obsessed with this administrations apparent inability or refusal to tell the truth the first time theyre asked. All president s and all administrations shade and shape the truth to their own advantage. But what were seeing now is of a different order of magnitude. And todays Grudging Acknowledgement that President Trump did help draft his sons statement about his meeting with a group of russians after denying exactly that, its just the latest example of this administrations taste for fake news. The following statements are simply from recent appearances
on the Sunday Version of meet the press. Can you tell me about the reports that the president was involved in the initial response that donald trump, jr. Gave the New York Times . So i read those reports as well. And the president was not did not draft the response. The response was came from donald trump, jr. I notice you ducked the aspect of whether you can guarantee that nobody will be worse off financially. I firmly believe that nobody will be worse off financially in the process that were going through, understanding that theyll have choices that they can select the kind of coverage that they want for themselves and for their families. I have talked to general flynn. None of that came up, none of the Subject Matter of sanctions or the actions taken by the Obama Administration did not come up in the conversation. There was no challenge of American Policy Currently by mr. Flynn with the russians . None. I answered the question of
why the president asked the White House Press secretary to come out in front of the podium for the first time and utter a falsehood, why did he do that . It undermines the credibility of the entire White House Press office. Dont be so ofly dramatic about it, chuck. Theyre giving sean spicer he gave alternative facts to that. In these and other cases what the administration said ended up being wrong. Not a shade of it, not a way to spin it, it was just flat out wrong. Did the people say what they believed to be true at the time . Did they mislead unintentionally . Did they mislead intentionally . Was it a lie . Was it that kind of motivation . We dont know that, but at this point, they have accumulated a ton of instances where it appears they owe us that explanation in that front. Its a reminder why young journalists are taught the
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was fault. They just didnt tell us. Heres the thing to keep this mind about donald trump, his experience in politics is you say whatever you want to say. Late er you backtrack. You said it experience in politics. You are both new yorkers here. Thats his experience dealing with tabloids. You could say whatever you need to do to get through page 6 today and worry about it later. Its up, your down. It is what it is. Market change in real estate. Trump used to dealing that way. I wonder what does don do all day. Tlp is a White House Counsel Office that should be advising these guys to conduct themselves that doesnt put them in legal jeopardy. We lempbed this time and time again, in other words for the team to tell the truth, they have to be told the truth by the principle. We dont know what donald trump
is telling them. I think something happened that first week after his election when it was laid out by lawyers that he would not have to denude himself of the Trump Organization and there was this body of law that suggested that a president could not be indicted or sued or be the subject of criminal action while in office and he was like, get out of jail free card. Hes like this is great. I can go four years without lawsuit. Nixon was right. Im free. Im not kidding about this. You can see it when he said it three or four times this november or december. Its like this lightbulb over his head. Problem is, nobody else has the free pass. His son doesnt have a free pass. His daughter doesnt have a free pass. All these people are lawyered up. Theyre going to be interviewed. Hesitate realits really jus
pence. Its the two heads of the executive branch. Remember the fact he was told repeatlied for a year and a half you cant do this. You cant lie. You have to be honest and he won. He was validated, obviously, he spends a lot of time how hes validated by having won the election but this in particular he feels that way. This gets a the challenge we all get accused of bias but when somebody is this blatant in their contradiction it makes you question everything they say. I think beyond trumps legal jeopardy, the problem is it starts to call into question the mundane coming out of the administration. Youre Smoezed Esupposed to tr
basic. It becomes to trust the difficult writ large. Were back at the nixon moment because minor things are lies. I dont know. I cant head our tailing of it. Thats what he wants. All white houses do this. All white houses spin, through news story, try to change focus. Say were moving forward for a year when bill clinton became president. Its time to move forward from this story. The story just been out for an hour. Thats a classic thing. Well leave it there. Thank you all. You can catch joy reid tonight. Shes filling in for rachel maddow. After the break you wouldnt
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